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Sexual Experience with Uncles [Mature Daddies]
cinnamonroll and 6 others reacted to Thatguy642 for a topic
I have another story. I was on holiday by myself somewhere in Europe (I’ll not name it) and it was a quiet evening in the park. I’d just walked around the whole morning and afternoon and had dinner and went to the gym in the hotel before I went to the park. So I was sitting there for maybe 20 minutes and a couple of older men of Turkish origin came close to me in the quiet corner of the park where I sat facing the lake. One of the guys, perhaps in his 50s and quite slim, was talking on the phone. He turned around to face me and gave me a friendly smile, so I returned it, thinking nothing of me. His friend then went on and he continued on his phone for about 5 more minutes, then he came and sat next to me and said hello and asked me where I’m from. Then he offered me a cigarette, which I declined, and he asked me what I was doing at the park and if I was going to a nearby ‘spa’. He kept hinting about it, telling me he was going there and that he was gay and there were many nice men there. I just nodded and smiled. Then he asked me if I was gay, and I told him I wasn’t (I am, but I wasn’t really attracted to him so wanted an easy way out) and he said it was a shame as he was into Asian men. He then offered me a free oil massage at his place with a happy ending, multiple times, and I declined each time. He made a joke and squeezed my arm, breaking the touch barrier for the first time. Keep in mind I had just come from the gym, I’m not a big guy and I was wearing long sleeves, but I still had a pump so I guess he felt that and complimented me, saying ‘wow, nice, muscles.’ I couldn’t help myself and flexed it for him and he started to just probe and squeeze my arms. He got a bit more bold and started caressing my chest and abs, which I also flexed. He kept talking about how he wishes he was young and solid again which made me increasingly horny, feeling his weathered hands over my body. He then played with my nipples through my shirt and I have to admit, I got hard. The caressing went on for a minute or so before he moved his hand down my chest and abs and grabbed my dick for the first time. At this point I didn’t care and I was super horny, so I let him pull it out (in a public park) and he started sucking on it. I got paranoid and told him to stop, and he suggested we go to a toilet. and so, thinking with my penis, I went to a cubicle in the park where he then proceeded to undress me, working on my cock while violently pressing, squeezing and gliding his hands all over my body as I flexed for him, with him sucking faster and faster. I cummed in his mouth and then we went out and then I left and went home, legs shaking.7 points -
Penang ( Malaysia ) - Massage / Sauna (Compiled) [No prostitution allowed]
Topper and 2 others reacted to imm_georgie for a topic
A recent experience for a massage at a proper spa (undisclosed), I booked via WhatsApp’s and booked a masseur for my spa experience. The initial goal is to enjoy a proper spa session to relax and release muscle pain and knots. Upon arrival, I was greeted warmly by the receptionist. They explained to me the treatment I booked and the receptionist reconfirmed my treatment, duration and which masseuse the male requested. I then confirmed for a 2 hour full body massage and my session started with a health questionnaire. After declaring my health status, my masseuse prepared to pick me up and begin a foot scrub and warm foot wash. It was really nice and I felt so calm before the massage started. After washing my feet, I was led by the masseur to the treatment room. As soon as I entered the treatment room, I said "Wow", it's so beautiful. This is not a curtain-type treatment room, but has doors and partition walls. The treatment rooms are well decorated and very comfortable. I was then told to change into disposable underwear, but I didn't because I didn't feel comfortable wearing disposable underwear. I wore my own underwear instead. After changing, my massage started with the masseur, who was incredibly pressurised. At this point I had never thought of anything naughty, just a proper spa, because I was going to a proper spa, but things were obviously different once the massage started. During the massage, I felt that the masseuse's body was too close to my hands until I could feel his body. The best part is that I can feel his private parts moving on my hands. At this point, I knew this massage was going to end in a surprising way. The massage continued and my hands could clearly feel how hard his tool was. From a normal spa, it turned me into a naughty mode. I started touching and grabbing his tool as it hardened and moved around my hand. He then started positioning himself on my head area and massaging my back and I could feel his hard cock bouncing all the way around my head. I then started putting my hands on the headrest and started massaging his tool. Eventually, I took off his pants and boxers and started giving him a blowjob. I blew him until he came in my mouth. The warm juice flowing in my mouth was so satisfying. He then finished the rest of my massage and asked me to go change. I was directed to the spa hall for refreshments. I left the spa satisfied and will definitely come back with the same masseuse. A surprise venue unlocked! (undisclosed)3 points -
Just got back from a 7 day Perth holiday. Missing the bears there hehe.
darkien and one other reacted to ERFAbangBear for a status update
Just got back from a 7 day Perth holiday. Missing the bears there hehe.2 points -
There are always a few regulars uncle such as the tall Malay in SUV and some other individuals who park their cars at the roundabout almost around the clock 🫢waiting for dick and action. When the action starts, they begin to harass people, with some being very rude and telling others not to come if they won’t let people join in or touch. It’s amazing that even after I’ve finished my midnight movie, had supper, and driven by to take a look, they’re still there.😬2 points
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Had an encounter at my gym changing room recently . Was in a steam room and decided t
ArchDragon and one other reacted to Desire72 for a status update
Had an encounter at my gym changing room recently . Was in a steam room and decided to go nude as it was early and nobody was around. Suddenly a guy came in to join me and I quickly covered up with a towel. He started looking at me in a horny way and sat closer to me. Without warning, he teased my calf leg with his fingers.i pretended to act normal and kept my cool but his fingers further moved up and teased my thigh but he didn’t slide his hand inside. He smiled at me as he kept his fingers moving on my thigh. Sensing I couldn’t take the teasing any longer he grinned and teased the extremely hard penis of mine. At the same time, he shoved a finger inside my anus and slowly worked it in and out of the tight wet hole. I looked at him, moaned, and enjaculated onto his body. Later while I was showering, he came over to open my curtain to say goodbye. After he left, I masturbated my self again in the shower2 points -
If Ming is over-hyped, then Aiden must be hyper-hyped. Ming has been in this industry at least TEN times as long as Aiden!2 points
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Mature Guy 60 and above
FeminineBi and one other reacted to MKay for a topic
Mature daddy 67 fair skin indian local sg. Love kissng caressg, having my nipple suckd and love gvng bj.Safe fun pls. Cant host. Free some days afternoon. Live in east side.2 points -
Smooth, trimmed, shaved, wild
Leisure and one other reacted to Kentazmania for a topic
Clean shaven is the best. Waxing is painful but the best also Trimming using a shaver is good also But it all depends on the individuals who liked it which way. For the guy who does blow job or rimming. I believe they prefer those who are hairless as its much cleaner and more hygiene.2 points -
Slaves Match Making for Household Chore
Zaq and one other reacted to sgwildfire18 for a topic
You know .. the problem with this idea is ... there are some masters who think they are God's gift to mankind and expect the slave to fall at the master's feet just because he calls himself a master. Similarly there are slaves who think the master should be grateful (to the slave) for the work done. The attraction has to come before the chores for this arrangement to work2 points -
as the title says. could be in different encounters in the same day or in one long session. i really dont remember whats the max in mine. about a year back i had one where it was to be 5 tops 2 bottoms but the other bottom ghosted the session, but back in my uni days my aussie bf loved organising sessions and watching me get banged and doing all kinds of sexually humiliating stuff (one of my kinks, i love that). somehow i dont remember the maximum number of people i took, only that my bf would be the only one who could go raw. too much mind altering substances were used back then lol. so i guess, not counting the repeat cummers that day, 7? on a side note, i was recently drinking with 2 women who i knew from uni and they were talking about the number of people they slept with. and when one said 10 the other was shocked, and asked more. the 20 lady could even remember their names.... i realised that i don't know my number (it has to be more than 200? 300?) i don't recall their names or sometimes even faces. and if you consider darkroom encounters in the sauna sometimes i dont even know their race. if you add just purely giving BJs then i'm really lost. it's terrible if you take a step back and think about it.1 point
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North ~ Woodlands, Admiralty, Sembawang, Yishun
thickhead79 reacted to slayer9768 for a topic
Any fit or muscular guy into 3s with my bf. Im average and my bf muscular. Got place at Marsiling1 point -
Penang trip dates confirmed and booked flight! +_+
Dadie reacted to feilyxnixx for a status update
Penang trip dates confirmed and booked flight! +_+1 point -
Anybody seeking manhood massage
thickhead79 reacted to bigboss for a topic
Hi anybody seek manhood pls tele me I host at cck condo tele me bigboss2046 60 min therapy local1 point -
Looking for Giving Or Receiving Blowjob / Get Suck / Be Sucked (Compiled)
thickhead79 reacted to guywdls25 for a topic
Anyone. Around wdls able to host?1 point -
https://paultan.org/2024/08/29/lrt-mrt-monorail-brt-running-24h-for-merdeka-day/ LRT, MRT, trains running the whole night tonight, perfect for cruising and using the mostly quiet stations! whos up for having fun hooking up every place? will be much quieter with lesser people, perfect for cruisers! dun sleep early tonight!!1 point
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You're an adult and you've the right to enjoy sex as much as you want. Good on you1 point
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Changi Business Park (Cbp)
sgmarriedman reacted to Hole4use for a topic
Looking to find chance to exhibit my naked butt there, or maybe considering to get my anal speculum to open up my butthole and allowing my rectum to breath in the exposed air there ..who knows maybe mosquitos will fly into my rectum !1 point -
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So far only the fkg Singapore local bosses and top senior yelled at me. Really CCB. Never find out black and white, just yelled like a dog. Prefer angmoh and Japanese bosses, at least not like a mad local dogs.1 point
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I did that often in swimming pool changing room ... I like to tease them, enjoying to see their saliva streaming down while panting like hungry dogs 🐕. Anyway, there are nice ppl ... I am just being naughty. Sometimes, I walked near to them, putting their hands into my penis or ass for their FOC touching and playing1 point
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Looking for Meetups in Penang
PenChubSide reacted to JaydenHo for a topic
Hotel alone now. Anyone wanna come over now? Big cock ready to get sucked1 point -
anyone in Central east Area? want to unload by bj.1 point
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Missed Connections For Gay Singapore (No Doxxing Allowed)
Joseph Tan reacted to eminent82 for a topic
29 aug 8+pm TF Tampines Saw u again at the last locker area using the locker at the corner. u were wearing blue singlet, with specs looking at your phone when i walk in. was admiring your nice pecs as you prepare to go shower😁. hope to see you again soon1 point -
Age matters
Expired Btm Uncle reacted to Steve5380 for a topic
How relevant is it we have passed or not our prime FOR OTHERS? How important should be THE OTHERS? We can be living at our prime at most ages during our life. And there are multiple kinds of "prime". Even an octogenarian can be living at some prime/s.1 point -
Doing it now.. my dick head rubbing against the fabric of the trouser leg and my inner thigh.. 🫣1 point
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West ~ Jurong East, Jurong West, Lakeside, Boonlay, Pioneer
Joseph Tan reacted to gymfitch for a topic
27 172 67 fit chn here seeking fit guys, pm me1 point -
Bangkok ( Thailand ) - Massage / Sauna Compiled)
WesternSun reacted to Jaeguy for a topic
There seems to be misinformation in the earlier posts about some of the saunas in Bangkok. It's unclear whether the writer has actually visited these places in the past 12 months or are relying on outdated reviews or hearsay. To clarify the current situation for first-timers and those planning to visit Bangkok soon, here’s a low-down of the 5 Popular Gay Saunas in Bangkok: Chakran Sauna - Entry Fees: 450 THB (OG Party) Since the demise of Babylon Sauna, Chakran is probably one of the longest-standing sauna in Bangkok right now. Contrary to what some suggest, Chakran Sauna has not been changed to V-Club. V-Club is their massage business located in the same building but on the ground floor, and it operates separately from the sauna. Chakran Sauna is not as run-down as some might think, especially compared to places like Sauna Mania, which has neglected renovations. It has undergone numerous updates, including the addition of a Japanese onsen and play space on the rooftop, which opened around the pandemic. During my last visit at the end of last year, they were also renewing the locker areas. Sadly, Chakran has seen better days, and its mainly youthful Thai crowd can be sparse despite the daily rooftop OG events. Krubb Sauna - Entry Fees: 390 THB (Mon-Thu), 490 THB (Fri-Sun) Krubb Sauna is the sexiest new addition to Bangkok’s sauna scene and is popular with tourists of various nationalities. This place has interesting theme parties like Thai night on Mondays where everyone is cruising in Thai-style sarongs! Their weekend parties, featuring regular appearances by models or OF stars, are quite lively. No doubt occasional special events or major holidays may come with higher fees, this is standard practice in Bangkok. Krubb, like most saunas, offers lower entry fees for Thai residents. The average Thai salary might limit how often they visit, but this place is definitely not exclusive to the rich Thais. Sauna Mania - Entry Fees: 340 THB (Normal), 460-480 THB (Foam Party) If you have time for only one sauna, Sauna Mania is the place to go. Its extreme popularity is due to the close proximity to Silom gay district. You can be ensured there is always action even after 12am on weekends. The downside is that the place is rather run-down and rooms are always occupied when it gets crowded. You have to make out in the aisles! Despite this, the eye candy - consisting of mostly fit-bodied Asian guys, some Thai and a few farangs - more than makes up for it. R3 Sauna - Entry Fees: 300 THB (Normal), 460-480 THB (Foam Party) R3 Sauna, owned by the same group behind Sauna Mania, primarily attracts Chinese visitors nowadays, but it also draws many other Asian tourists, especially for its outrageous O-Party on weekends. Previously in its heyday, R3 charged exorbitant fees for those over a certain age and checked IDs at the entrance, but this practice has ceased since the COVID-19 pandemic. Many of our friends have visited recently and have only paid the standard advertised prices. 39 Underground - Entry Fees: 200 THB (Mon-Thu), 240 THB (Fri-Sun) A little further in the Saphan Khwai area lies a hidden local sauna called 39 Underground. The customers here are generally more mature, with about 90% being Thai locals of various ages, body types and sizes. Of all the saunas mentioned, this is the cheapest and probably the most run-down, so it might not appeal to everyone. The sauna gets crowded with locals even on weekdays and you might chance upon stout and very straight-looking Thai guys you don’t normally see elsewhere, if you are lucky. The action in the underground maze is hot and definitely not for the faint-hearted!! Different saunas attract different crowds, and personal preference plays a significant part. Some might encounter not so pleasant experiences compared to the rest. If you have the time, do visit the following saunas on their event days to find your favorite! Recommended Sauna Hopping in Bangkok: Friday: 39 Underground (Mask Party) Saturday: Krubb (Fire Party) Sunday: Sauna Mania (Foam Party) Monday: R3 (Mask Party)1 point -
Back in the supine position, I could now see that Alex was naked, with a sizable dick that was semi-hard. He climbed on the massage table, straddling over the lower half of my body, and gyrated in that position while flexing his arms. A pity I couldn’t see clearly without my glasses. “We’ll probably be in this position for a while? Could you pass me my glasses please?” I requested sheepishly. Alex reached over to the side table, lifted my glasses and handed them over with a nod. Adjusting my glasses, I asked, “By the way, how often do you go to the gym?” “Every day,” he replied, a hint of pride in his voice. “I usually head there right after the evening massage sessions. It’s part of my routine before I head home for the night.” “Wow, that’s impressive,” I said, genuinely impressed. “It must take a lot of dedication.” He shrugged slightly, a small smile playing on his lips. “I suppose it’s a requirement of this job. Staying in shape helps me perform better. Plus, I really do enjoy working out.” “I can see that. It’s amazing how you manage to balance both.” “Being fit helps me maintain strength and endurance, which is crucial for delivering a good massage. Plus, the physical activity is a nice counterbalance to the hours spent in a more stationary position at work.” I felt a sense of vulnerability and anticipation as Alex began to work on the front of my body. He started at my shoulders, his strong, skilled hands kneading the muscles with just the right amount of pressure. The sensation was both soothing and invigorating, as if he was coaxing the tension out of every fibre. When he reached my chest, his movements were broad and sweeping, as if painting with oils on a canvas. The warmth of his palms contrasted with the coolness of the oil, creating a sensation that was both calming and deeply satisfying. My breath slowed, each exhale releasing more of the tension I had been carrying. His hands continued downward, working my abdomen with circular motions that seemed to soothe not just my muscles but my very soul. It was as if he was unwinding the day's stress like a ball of yarn, each loop bringing a deeper sense of calm. The massage took a turn as Alex's hands, slick with oil, ventured lower. His grip was confident, wrapping around me with a deliberate slowness that was both teasing and commanding. I resisted, not out of reluctance, but to savour the build-up, to prolong the exquisite torture of anticipation.1 point
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Private home-based gloryhole available at north-east of sg. Interested parties can PM me. Only for discreet, clean and hygienic individual.1 point
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Likes to get molested
Jerseyshort reacted to tyan for a topic
Is it sooo nice to be molested. Mouth saying “no no no…” but mind saying “yes yes yes ….”1 point -
Qian Zu (Jalan Sultan) also have some other good male masseurs. You can try Ah Xian (8461-6659) and Ah Liang (8461-2088) who are experienced masseur. Qian Zu has massage room. You can tell them you prefer privacy and they will use the massage room where they don't mind you going lesser cloth. I like Qian Zu as it is operational from early afternoon to early morning. Convenient even I need some body relieve after late night work.1 point
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looking for straight-curious dudes who wanna try theyre first virgin experience. am experienced in both topping and bottoming for first timers. they are always satisfied and end up wanting more. dm if interested1 point
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He wants to use back entrance even before entering the sauna.1 point
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Age doesnt matter , as long as he is well maintained! +_+ ~ ❤️
m1ssjadeso reacted to feilyxnixx for a status update
Age doesnt matter , as long as he is well maintained! +_+ ~ ❤️1 point -
27 Aug Tues 12am-ish Keybox We had a quick fun in the maze room and you told me you are 42 years old but you looked wayyyy younger. Great body. Chinese/malay looking dude. Tried to catch you after the showers but I lost you. Hmu if you’re here cutie1 point
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Missed Connections For Gay Singapore (No Doxxing Allowed)
Hungrybtms2 reacted to youdoyou for a topic
Aug 3, at around 6pm. Capitol building bus stop. You were in a white tee and white pair of shorts. You looked at me as you arrived at the bus stop and I saw you looking again a couple of times when I’d look up from my phone. we exchanged glances at some point but you looked like you’d punch me if I got too close, so I didn’t approach you. but when you boarded your bus, sat down and glanced back at me before the bus pulled away, I waved at you. And you waved back. I’d probably have better luck finding needles in a haystack, but who knows. Buzz me if you’re seeing this.1 point -
Anyone host now at Puchong? horny dick waiting for unload. chub 176 29 911 point
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Joel's Respite @ Sengkang, Thanggam LRT
discreetman reacted to MisterTan for a topic
This model so cute.1 point -
Missed Connections For Gay Singapore (No Doxxing Allowed)
NKT reacted to aftereightme for a topic
You used to be alone. Yesterday, you came with two foreign friends and 4 of us in the room having wild sex. You all said feeling stressful and need relief. Then take turn to pump, finger, slap my ass and cock so hard that I need you all to pause. The fucking session took around 1 hour, sweating profusely with loads all over my cock and mouth. Yes, let us meet again next month in wonderful tenmen club. You can call me Jack and I had you all my phone number. Do call me …1 point -
Long Term Relationship (Compiled)
Joseph Tan reacted to Relationship for a topic
Hi there looking for ltr with local Chinese btm guys. Hit me up. I'm local Chinese pure top 171 61 age 38 Looking at one whom likes to swim jog and of cos bonus travel around the world. White collar straight acting guys preferred. Regards1 point -
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Hit me up if you’re into the following: - throat fuck till you’re gagging and crying - golden shower - spit - foot worship - making you lift/carry me on your shoulders preferably someone muscular/leanfit with a similar physique1 point
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Hmmmm, really not much going on here, sad but guess expected with more niche fetish like fisting, especially in Singapore… Personally, I see fisting as pretty much a natural progression for anyone who gets into serious anal play. If you enjoy anal play and end up getting into toys, beyond just prepping for penetration with a cock but more to pursue the sensations of working out and stretching your hole, you just naturally end up on the path to progressively larger and larger toys. If you keep at it till you reach 2.8”-3” diameter, fisting just becomes a really natural next step, imo. Conversely, I feel fisting tops are rarer than fisting bottoms. I don’t mean the typical top who saw some fisting vids, thought it was hot and decided he wants to try it out. I mean the top who went thru that phase, fell in love with it and then made the investment of time and effort to gain experience learning proper fisting technique… Still more hardwork as a bottom prepping for fisting (deep, thorough cleansing; clean diet; progressive conditioning of their hole), but it’s rare finding a good fisting top who has the level of experience to really know what they are doing. Trimmed and filled nails, researched and prepped lots of good lube, cleaning material prepped for the inevitable mess, good pacing, etc… All for the mostly psychological pleasure of fisting someone (can’t really consider a hand/arm an erogenous zone, really much more in the mind…). And it’s easy to tell if a top is just fisting for the sake of satisfying a btm without enjoying the act himself… Level of intensity and commitment to the act just isn’t anywhere near the same. Personally, the pleasure I get from being fisted is more psychological. Definite physiological element to it, like during a good session I’d end up getting my prostate essentially pummeled like a punching bag. Combination of prostate stimulation and my hole getting stretched out feels amazing and I leak like crazy, but I personally have never quite crested to a full orgasm from fisting alone. Full body tingling and shivers, but never a full climax. Honestly the lack of an orgasm has become part of the psychological pleasure I get from fisting. Just continuous, intense sensations coming from my hole, to the point my cock is just wholly forgotten. I’m just a moaning, drooling, shaking mess; intensity of the experience reducing my body awareness to just my hole, nothing else matters except being a receptacle for whatever the top wants to shove into me next… As a bottom, my understanding of the pleasure fisting tops get is pretty indirect, but from talking with tops after, seems to be a combination of the (literally tactile, not-directly sexually simulating) physical sensations of reaching deep inside someone and the psychological aspects of pleasuring their bottom. If there’s some fisting tops here, would love to hear your opinions. Kind of annoyed by people saying fisting is dangerous/will lead to incontinence. Like previous post, I like to think of anal play as a kind of yoga, but you’re focusing on just one set of muscles, your anal sphincters. Same way people who can do splits don’t lose control of their legs, sane, progressive anal play isn’t going to lead to incontinence. Quite the opposite really, you end up developing really good awareness of your muscles and can relax and tighten them as you desire. There is potential for damage if an inexperienced bottom attempts a fist, or just any overly large toy they aren’t prepared for, and ends up tearing something… So yeah, fisting definitely requires a degree of patience and commitment of time and effort to developing one’s hole. Most will probably find that too tedious… That’s actually a big aspect I enjoy, developing my hole like a longterm body modification project. Turning it from just a simple orifice into something… still functional, but far more… kinky. Plus I just find it far more interesting than the typical aesthetics people go for… Anyway, hope this stimulates alittle more interest in this thread…1 point
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How old were you when you had your gay sex?
Rayamu reacted to Ghaziwuzzy for a topic
Lost virginity at 15 to a friend. Went for a swim and decided to shower together as the changing room was packed. It all happened to quickly.. I ask him a favour to soap my back as I couldn't reach. That cheeky little guy use the soap to play around with my ass. He started to finger me but I didn't resist. I guess I was horny and could not resist his good looks! Haha. Soon, I could feel hard dick rubbing against my hole. Yet again, I did not resist! After much teasing and seeing I didn't resist, I guess he plucked up his courage and push his dick into me. The sensation of his dick sliding in got me hard. He fuck me for a good few minutes and I was erect all the time. Moments later, he pulled out his dick, I turned and ask. "Did you shoot in me?" I still remember the look he gave as he told me "Yea, I shoot in you". We then wash up and headed home.1 point -
I was 15 when I had my first cock in me. My friend and I were back at my place from school one day, playing on my Xbox. If I remember correctly, he lost the game we were playing and wrestled me to the ground. We wrestled around for quite a bit, and then his bulge suddenly poked at me. (He was pretty great looking back then, but I never not thought of him in a sexual way before). I looked at him and grinned, as he blushed bright red. Things took a turn when he forcefully pinned me down, and started grinding his crotch with mine. One thing led to another, and our uniforms came off. He groped my ass as he tried to make-out with me – rather sloppily tbh . And being the horny 15 year old that I am, I just went with the flow. Our dicks rubbed against each other as we kissed. When it came to him putting it in, my nervousness got my ass on a defensive mode. He tried poking around as he played with my dick in his hand. Once he knew where the entrance was, that fucker – pun intended – just shoved his whole member in! I knew about gay sex back then, but I didn’t know it would hurt like hell either. I cried out, begging him to stop, but he didn’t (that fucker). I felt extremely violated, but I don’t see it as rape – I sorta wanted it. I hated him for doing it, but I trusted him enough. So yea, I stopped talking to him, for about two weeks... then the fooling around continued until we graduated high school, and him going off to Aussie for medical school. We’ve not kept in touch since. Signing off... Lord Spunk1 point