Partner migration into Singapore

[Cirac]

I'm looking for information regarding partner migration - specifically the idea of bringing a long term partner/same sex spouse into Singapore. Have anyone applied for their partners into Singapore? If so, what is the process and what is the outcome? Is it possible or is this a 'immediate knock back' by Singapore immigration? Or are there other alternatives to gaining residency in Singapore? Any advice is greatly appreciated. DM most welcomed if it is easier for discussion. 

[Guest Neh Neh]

Try apply social visit pass for him online first.

[Cirac]

Works well short term but am looking at more long term - the ability to work is going to be critical. If that can be factored in, that'll be fantastic.

[Guest Mary]

3 hours ago, Cirac said:

I'm looking for information regarding partner migration - specifically the idea of bringing a long term partner/same sex spouse into Singapore. Have anyone applied for their partners into Singapore? If so, what is the process and what is the outcome? Is it possible or is this a 'immediate knock back' by Singapore immigration? Or are there other alternatives to gaining residency in Singapore? Any advice is greatly appreciated. DM most welcomed if it is easier for discussion. 

You planning to apply for your partner under what criteria ? 

 

I can tell you a Straight YES or NO 

[Guest GUEST]

5 hours ago, Cirac said:

Works well short term but am looking at more long term - the ability to work is going to be critical. If that can be factored in, that'll be fantastic.

if your partner has a masters degree or higher from a reputable uni.  And has 1.5million SGD or more to invest here (buy stocks, buy home. etc).  Sure no problem!

[Guest Guest]

6 hours ago, Cirac said:

I'm looking for information regarding partner migration - specifically the idea of bringing a long term partner/same sex spouse into Singapore. Have anyone applied for their partners into Singapore? If so, what is the process and what is the outcome? Is it possible or is this a 'immediate knock back' by Singapore immigration? Or are there other alternatives to gaining residency in Singapore? Any advice is greatly appreciated. DM most welcomed if it is easier for discussion. 

Please do not as we have enougj FT around. 

Opposition politician Low Chiak H recently posted on FB about a group of PRC tourist whose children was behaving badly on the mrt. How do we know will your partner be on our Singaporean standard or not. I strongly urge you to make sure he is vetted on his behaviour etc by immigration and serious vetting be conducted on his background, his behaviour and will he make money in SG and than leave sg with his money.

[Guest John]

1 hour ago, Guest GUEST said:

if your partner has a masters degree or higher from a reputable uni.  And has 1.5million SGD or more to invest here (buy stocks, buy home. etc).  Sure no problem!

Sure ah ! 

 

U better be very sure before you use the word " sure" 

[Guest challenging]

8 hours ago, Cirac said:

I'm looking for information regarding partner migration - specifically the idea of bringing a long term partner/same sex spouse into Singapore. Have anyone applied for their partners into Singapore? If so, what is the process and what is the outcome? Is it possible or is this a 'immediate knock back' by Singapore immigration? Or are there other alternatives to gaining residency in Singapore? Any advice is greatly appreciated. DM most welcomed if it is easier for discussion. 

 

The Singapore immigration doesn't even grant a Long Term Social Visit Pass to straight couples for the foreign spouse in all cases.

 

So far I have not read from any legally married local Singaporean with a foreign partner (let's say married in Canada or LA) to request for a Long Term Social Visit Pass for his male spouse. The same sex marriage is just not recognised in Singapore.

 

Probably like some not married European couples, the joining partner has to travel in and out to remain in Singapore. But there might be a restriction to being allowed to enter. I heard of cases that such partners were disallowed entering into Singapore. One guy told me that the Immigration officer even took his handphone and checked local numbers and scrawled through apps like whatsapp (maybe with the intention to see if he is a male prostitute), but I have no account whether the thing told to me was true.

 

But I know of a European guy who is the CEO of a multinational, and his male spouse received a Dependant's pass after some writing in from his Embassy.

Singapore probably didn't want to end up as being listed as a place where officially married male couples cannot work on MNC CEO positions.

 

The other person was quite right to say if the partner has a business idea with a good start up then he might receive his own Employment Pass (but needs a Master from a renown university).

 

But for same sex couples it seems quite difficult.

Don't think may Singaporeans would dare to face the immigration officer and say: "that's my gay partner, I want to sponsor his stay"...

[Guest challenging]

Don't think many Singaporeans would dare to face the immigration officer and say: "that's my gay partner, I want to sponsor his stay"...

[Cirac]

Thanks for the responses - it’s tough that there’s such rigidity in the system. That’ll mean the possibility will be through an employment route. 

[doncoin]

My bf and I are having the same challenges. We are planning to get married end of the year, and considering moving to Singapore after that. I already have a job offer and the employer is willing to wait as I am finishing up grad school. 

 

We are not exactly sure what the logistics will entail, but certainly this much I do know is that our marriage won't be recognized by the Singapore authorities. As such, I will be considered single, and he probably won't be able to get a work permit. Worst case scenario is he has to do the short-term visitor pass, and every couple of months head over to JB or BKK etc. for a week and come back. 

 

Frankly, my mom is more excited to have him around than me. 

[Guest Fatty]

11 hours ago, Guest GUEST said:

if your partner has a masters degree or higher from a reputable uni.  And has 1.5million SGD or more to invest here (buy stocks, buy home. etc).  Sure no problem!

If he is CECA also no problem.

[Guest Michael]

16 hours ago, Guest GUEST said:

if your partner has a masters degree or higher from a reputable uni.  And has 1.5million SGD or more to invest here (buy stocks, buy home. etc).  Sure no problem!

Sure ah !   U better be very sure before you use the word " sure" 

 

Let me shed some light on my REAL case rather than all the " I heard" & "hear-say".

 

My bf from one of the MOST reputable European country (not those 3rd world European country).   The one Singapore Govt always try to benchmark .

He is highly educated.  He is rich, owned a few pte properties in SG.  He is a retired businessman at age 50. 

With all these POSITIVE ticks,  he was rejected for PR or Long Term Visit Pass. 

 

Remember these  

 

1. SG very rich ,we don't need another nett worth 5 mil / 10 mil person. To GIC 5 millions is 5 cents.  it do nothing to our economy.  

 

2. We don't' support domestic partnership , so I cant married him in SG. 

 

3. We take in people who can help build our nation or what is lacking in the industry.  So to say a doc from Mynamar & him both apply for PR, u say who will get it leh ?

 

4.  But if SG is not so rich, like BKK , Viet or Msian, my bf will get his PR next month.  Some of his friend is already so in Chiangmai and Msia 

 

So my advice to the person who posted this question and explain why I can answer your question in a Straight YES or NO . 

If you bf is of some professional that we need, Lawyer, Doc , Scientist , Professor in Uni , he stands a GOOD CHANCE.  
If his qualification like general like Biz Ad, Marketing , Mass Comm or even IT (Fintech we might consider, coz we need now) , even if u r holding a CEO or President position in a MNC , SORRY NO THANKS ! 

P/S - my friend's BF President of Euorpean firm, EP here for 7 years kena rejected for PR ! 

 

Last restort, pull string.  If u know someone of influential power, surely things can be negotiated

 

[Cirac]

Thank you - definitely not in any high level professional position - so we'll need to reconsider options.

[Guest challenging]

21 minutes ago, Guest Michael said:

My bf from one of the MOST reputable European country (not those 3rd world European country).   The one Singapore Govt always try to benchmark .

He is highly educated.  He is rich, owned a few pte properties in SG.  He is a retired businessman at age 50. 

With all these POSITIVE ticks,  he was rejected for PR or Long Term Visit Pass. 

 

 

 

Switzerland?

 

PR and having a legal stay here are different topics.

Singapore has changed the stance on PR, whereas just some 5 - 10 years back, most European with any Master Degree (some even with lower degrees) would have obtained the PR.

If it was the thinking that most were single, would marry a local girl or other Asian girl, sons would be doing National Service, buy a condo, pay into CPF and so on, we do not know. The motive might even be that the European impact in the world is shrinking, therefore it doesn't make sense to get more Europeans into Singapore as PRs.

Since the last 5 years for any European above 42 it is nearly impossible to receive the PR.

Whether the rejection is due to fear for later medical costs, this is my assumption. or maybe because upper list won't materialise as he reached a certain age.

On the other hand quite lowly educated people receive PRs in the recent years... In fact, there is a sort of unfairness, because those Europeans spent their time here, paid taxes here...

The response would need to come from the government why now there is such a policy...

 

[doncoin]

Well, I guess when we do actually move to Singapore, my husband will just have to be gentleman of leisure, and I will have to support him.  

[Guest Michael]

9 hours ago, doncoin said:

Well, I guess when we do actually move to Singapore, my husband will just have to be gentleman of leisure, and I will have to support him.  

Able to support others is a blessing 

 

I am somewhat being supported, but remember as of now I look good, if he walks out on me I have nothing. 

 

So better to be former than latter 

 

 

[Guest Guest Curious]

22 hours ago, doncoin said:

Well, I guess when we do actually move to Singapore, my husband will just have to be gentleman of leisure, and I will have to support him.  

Is your bf a white American guy? Just curious. Have you ever consider staying back in US as it may be easier for the two of you? 

[Guest mona visa]

On 2/2/2019 at 2:18 AM, doncoin said:

Well, I guess when we do actually move to Singapore, my husband will just have to be gentleman of leisure, and I will have to support him.  

 

You cant be serious, 

 

A white man always havr previleges that an Asian couldnt have.

 

it will be easy for him to get a job independent of your relationship status.

 

Do u know the first thing to do  is to network and make friends at the American club and the British and Australian clubs. 

 

making friends at bars and drinking holes frequented by other Caucasians is also good networking, and all the exchange of info about how to work around the restrictions.

 

contacts and networking, and ways to work around the redtapes are what Ang Mohs are very good at.

[Luke321]

On 2/1/2019 at 11:51 AM, Guest Michael said:

Sure ah !   U better be very sure before you use the word " sure" 

 

Let me shed some light on my REAL case rather than all the " I heard" & "hear-say".

 

My bf from one of the MOST reputable European country (not those 3rd world European country).   The one Singapore Govt always try to benchmark .

He is highly educated.  He is rich, owned a few pte properties in SG.  He is a retired businessman at age 50. 

With all these POSITIVE ticks,  he was rejected for PR or Long Term Visit Pass. 

 

 

Last restort, pull string.  If u know someone of influential power, surely things can be negotiated

 

U all forgetting the key criteria, ethnic idendity. Not of Chinese ethnic background, chances are ridiculously low. 

[Guest Michael]

1 hour ago, Luke321 said:

U all forgetting the key criteria, ethnic idendity. Not of Chinese ethnic background, chances are ridiculously low. 

 

 

Now no more .  We have enuff Chinese , that is why of late some PRC cannot get PR here 

 

Now we are looking for what is lacking to build the nation ...... All time and worldwide shortages are medical related staff 

[Luke321]

4 minutes ago, Guest Michael said:

 

 

Now no more .  We have enuff Chinese , that is why of late some PRC cannot get PR here 

 

Now we are looking for what is lacking to build the nation ...... All time and worldwide shortages are medical related staff 

But only after CNY, lol. Waiting for all the new hospitals to open. And even then, modified racial quota still applies. And select specialties first if what I hear is true. SG doesn't want to be swamped by doctors from , urm, certain countries.

 

Cultural background also counts - M'sian Chinese > acceptable than PRC.

Edited February 3, 2019 by Luke321

[Guest Guest]

On 2/1/2019 at 11:51 AM, Guest Michael said:

Sure ah !   U better be very sure before you use the word " sure" 

 

Let me shed some light on my REAL case rather than all the " I heard" & "hear-say".

 

My bf from one of the MOST reputable European country (not those 3rd world European country).   The one Singapore Govt always try to benchmark .

He is highly educated.  He is rich, owned a few pte properties in SG.  He is a retired businessman at age 50. 

With all these POSITIVE ticks,  he was rejected for PR or Long Term Visit Pass. 

 

Remember these  

 

1. SG very rich ,we don't need another nett worth 5 mil / 10 mil person. To GIC 5 millions is 5 cents.  it do nothing to our economy.  

 

2. We don't' support domestic partnership , so I cant married him in SG. 

 

3. We take in people who can help build our nation or what is lacking in the industry.  So to say a doc from Mynamar & him both apply for PR, u say who will get it leh ?

 

4.  But if SG is not so rich, like BKK , Viet or Msian, my bf will get his PR next month.  Some of his friend is already so in Chiangmai and Msia 

 

So my advice to the person who posted this question and explain why I can answer your question in a Straight YES or NO . 

If you bf is of some professional that we need, Lawyer, Doc , Scientist , Professor in Uni , he stands a GOOD CHANCE.  
If his qualification like general like Biz Ad, Marketing , Mass Comm or even IT (Fintech we might consider, coz we need now) , even if u r holding a CEO or President position in a MNC , SORRY NO THANKS ! 

P/S - my friend's BF President of Euorpean firm, EP here for 7 years kena rejected for PR ! 

 

Last restort, pull string.  If u know someone of influential power, surely things can be negotiated

 

I am glad he was rejected. We have enough FTs in singapore stealing our jobs, crowd the already crowded mrt, inflating our hdb flats, crowding our hospitals,behaving badly and earning our hard earned money by fattening up their already fat wallets and than return where they came from with all the money. These people also seldom do charity work.

[Guest John]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

I am glad he was rejected. We have enough FTs in singapore stealing our jobs, crowd the already crowded mrt, inflating our hdb flats, crowding our hospitals,behaving badly and earning our hard earned money by fattening up their already fat wallets and than return where they came from with all the money. These people also seldom do charity work.

 

What an amazing observation and opinion.  

Have you consider join politic and have your voice head in the Parliament ? 

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, Guest John said:

 

What an amazing observation and opinion.  

Have you consider join politic and have your voice head in the Parliament ? 

No. Because I do not have the determination and drive. However, we have very capable, dedicated, down to earth men in politics like Lim Tean, Tan Cheng Bok who will represent the true voice of the true blues. These men will dismentle all policies set by the PAP government and make the wishes of us singaporeans come true!!!

[doncoin]

On 2/2/2019 at 11:49 AM, Guest Guest Curious said:

Is your bf a white American guy? Just curious. Have you ever consider staying back in US as it may be easier for the two of you? 

 

Yes he is. It may be easier for us both but given the political climate, it is just not a good quality of life any more.

 

20 hours ago, Guest mona visa said:

 

You cant be serious, 

 

A white man always havr previleges that an Asian couldnt have.

 

it will be easy for him to get a job independent of your relationship status.

 

Do u know the first thing to do  is to network and make friends at the American club and the British and Australian clubs. 

 

making friends at bars and drinking holes frequented by other Caucasians is also good networking, and all the exchange of info about how to work around the restrictions.

 

contacts and networking, and ways to work around the redtapes are what Ang Mohs are very good at.

 

 

Well, he is not really into those sort of things. Making small talk is one thing he hates doing. His take is when we move to Singapore, he much prefer staying in a HDB flat as he wants to experience an authentic Singapore life versus being in some majority expat condo, like in some gated community. 

 

I think we may start an online business that he can work on regardless where we are physically. 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/2/2019 at 2:18 AM, doncoin said:

Well, I guess when we do actually move to Singapore, my husband will just have to be gentleman of leisure, and I will have to support him.  

 

Yeah, right.... "Gentlemen of leisure" indeed.  Looks like another case of one person bringing an entire family of parasites into Singapore, regardless gay or not gay. It's as if our infrastructure here in Sg is going to be sufficient to support the entire world as long as one person in the whole family contribute to the society.

[Guest John]

5 hours ago, doncoin said:

 

Yes he is. It may be easier for us both but given the political climate, it is just not a good quality of life any more.

 

 

 

Well, he is not really into those sort of things. Making small talk is one thing he hates doing. His take is when we move to Singapore, he much prefer staying in a HDB flat as he wants to experience an authentic Singapore life versus being in some majority expat condo, like in some gated community. 

 

I think we may start an online business that he can work on regardless where we are physically. 

 

 

Good luck.  I wish you all the best . 

On the contrary , whatever PAP opposed, the Anti-PAP might consider.  So to say , that so anti gay partner into SG  wish Tan Cheng Bok wins, me too , coz he might agree to human right and grant Domestic Partnership ....   

If so , I worry that , after that - That Amazing Observation Guy U-TURN , now he wants PAP - haha 

[Guest guest]

25 minutes ago, Guest John said:

Good luck.  I wish you all the best . 

On the contrary , whatever PAP opposed, the Anti-PAP might consider.  So to say , that so anti gay partner into SG  wish Tan Cheng Bok wins, me too , coz he might agree to human right and grant Domestic Partnership ....   

If so , I worry that , after that - That Amazing Observation Guy U-TURN , now he wants PAP - haha 

 

You never know with BOK guy , may even go backwards to become even more conservative, 

 

after all he is from the old guards batch one hor  

 

May one to go back to the roots , ala 1960s Singapore ?

 

Anyway, i dont see any benefits to the 90% general population of people who are not like us , how would it benefit them or make life better or easier by making s377a go away, adopting same sex marriage,  allowing gays to openly and publicly express their gay identity ,  

 

I see no tangible benefits except high flying humanitarian values, 

 

which Singapore has always walked the pragmatic line.

 

If u can win the against pragmatism argument, I will salute u.

 

So far no NGO has come out with better argument, 

[Luke321]

Lol, with 

1 hour ago, Guest guest said:

 

You never know with BOK guy , may even go backwards to become even more conservative, 

 

after all he is from the old guards batch one hor  

 

May one to go back to the roots , ala 1960s Singapore ?

 

Anyway, i dont see any benefits to the 90% general population of people who are not like us , how would it benefit them or make life better or easier by making s377a go away, adopting same sex marriage,  allowing gays to openly and publicly express their gay identity ,  

 

I see no tangible benefits except high flying humanitarian values, 

 

which Singapore has always walked the pragmatic line.

 

If u can win the against pragmatism argument, I will salute u.

 

So far no NGO has come out with better argument, 

Lol, with SG population dropping, cannot be too picky about gay or not gay as criteria to let into SG. Lets face it, gay men can be very qualified and creative. (Even if occasionally more drama, on average). The right guy coming to SG isn't stealing jobs, because the job in SG has been effectively created for him by his company because he wants to follow his partner. 

 

Lol, or you could become CEO of a well known Singaporean pharma company, driving inwards foreign investment to SG, boosting the local biotech scene and competing as Mr. Tantric back in the day. 

 

Less ignorance please. 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

6 hours ago, Luke321 said:

The right guy coming to SG isn't stealing jobs, because the job in SG has been effectively created for him by his company because he wants to follow his partner.

 

OH! Countries like Singapore build up their infrastructure so that foreign companies can conveniently hatch up some half-baked positions here to import their trash over to make this country even more crowded than it already is? Is that what you said? 

[Luke321]

43 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

OH! Countries like Singapore build up their infrastructure so that foreign companies can conveniently hatch up some half-baked positions here to import their trash over to make this country even more crowded than it already is? Is that what you said? 

Lol, like I said, less ignorance.

 

Their spending power and job creation ability is many times that of the average Singaporean. Where they choose to site company talent is based on how much they want to retain the person. Works the other way round as well with gay SG men leaving SG for "half baked positions made for foreign Asian trash who is the white mans bottom bitch obviously" in other countries, implied from your narrow minded attitude. How Trump-like can you get.

 

So YES, that is what I said. If you can't do the math on how SG is and has always been dependent on foreigners to get where it is today and in the future, thats really sad. I can see why SG leadership has to be so parochial towards the average SG man, gay or otherwise.

[Guest Guest]

14 minutes ago, Luke321 said:

Lol, like I said, less ignorance.

 

Their spending power and job creation ability is many times that of the average Singaporean. Where they choose to site company talent is based on how much they want to retain the person. Works the other way round as well with gay SG men leaving SG for "half baked positions made for foreign Asian trash who is the white mans bottom bitch obviously" in other countries, implied from your narrow minded attitude. How Trump-like can you get.

 

So YES, that is what I said. If you can't do the math on how SG is and has always been dependent on foreigners to get where it is today and in the future, thats really sad. I can see why SG leadership has to be so parochial towards the average SG man, gay or otherwise.

 

Lol! Singapore has always been dependent on foreigners? Ignorance, indeed! You might as well head into USA and Australia and tell them they had always been dependent on the Brits.  It's time for you to wake up from your colonial hangover already. If you really think their spending power and job creation ability is many times that of the average Singaporean, you just take a good look at the recent Brochez case and say that again. Nobody comes into a country to spend money unless they are tourists. They all come in here to take more from here than they would ever give over here. With such citizens like you with such reasoning capability in your own country, no wonder it never developed far from where it was more than 50 years ago. Even a change in your leadership won't do much for your country anymore. 

[Luke321]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Lol! Singapore has always been dependent on foreigners? Ignorance, indeed! You might as well head into USA and Australia and tell them they had always been dependent on the Brits.  It's time for you to wake up from your colonial hangover already. If you really think their spending power and job creation ability is many times that of the average Singaporean, you just take a good look at the recent Brochez case and say that again. Nobody comes into a country to spend money unless they are tourists. They all come in here to take more from here than they would ever give over here. With such citizens like you with such reasoning capability in your own country, no wonder it never developed far from where it was more than 50 years ago. Even a change in your leadership won't do much for your country anymore. 

Hahhaha, more ignorance. Your patronising foreigner attitude is shining through. Like an empty can with a few marbles inside, all noise, little content. And the throwback reference to colonial mindset - old much?

 

All PRs were foreigners. Doesn't matter if they are ang mohs or Malaysians. There's one major foreigner dependency there.

 

Next eliminate all your Bangla and other South Asian workers, Pinoys in construction etc, eliminate LKYs Ghurkas who handle all the atas security, every foreigner who does the menial jobs that no Singaporean will do (or only those older unker and auntie have to do it to survive), every foreign worker who does the F&B and retail service jobs that enables Singaporeans to occupy management jobs bossing them around, all the Malaysian who cross the Causeway every morning to work low paying jobs for that sweet 3:1 exchange rate, all the foreign nurses and doctors taking care of Singaporeans while Singaporean doctors take care of the more atas Rich Indon Chinese tycoons wife, etc (double foreign dependency there), all the foreign domestic help.

 

The list goes on. 

 

Eliminate all your PRs and S pass holders - in a month, Singapore will literally be a stinking mess.

 

Then we only arrive at EP holders. Would any MNC put a regional base of operations here without the token Ang Moh in charge? Almost certainly NOPE. Doesn't matter if its a useless person in the seat. His/her presence accounts for all the jobs Singaporeans have in that company. 

 

GRAB - whose in the CEOs seat? Malaysian in origin - foreigner. Kick him out? Lol, all that billions in investment money and headquarters FTEs salary spent in Singapore is gone. 

 

Singapore's Ministry of Manpower at least knows how to use foreigners to make Singapore work in the long run, taking into account all the factors. Singapore's native population is too small for it to keep up with the world, especially with increasingly rapid technology disruption. 

 

Like LKYs Ghurkas, bring them in, make them comfy in their cantonment,  (lol, Sentosa Cantonment, Clarke Quay Cantonment) use them to get what Singapore needs to stay competitive. Then kick them out. It's just better couched and managed for other foreigner use cases. Keep a few permanently under highly selective criteria, restrict benefits and keep the rest on their toes but wanting to stay on regardless. 

 

For the average Singaporean, it'll always feel a bit shitty in the present. But thats because the pain is being incurred for the future. We can stop now and everyone can be happy for the next 2 decades maybe. But after that....

[doncoin]

The unfortunate reality is Singapore will need foreigners to fill in the jobs that Singaporeans don't want to do. It is no different in the US or any other advance economies in the world. Certain sectors/industries will tend to be more reliant on foreign labour, i.e. construction, and other labour intensive jobs. 

 

When 2 people are in a relationship, and one is a foreigner, it does bring about a set of challenges. Should the couple break up because of nationality differences as a result of immigration rules? As so many people on BW have lamented, finding a relationship is difficult. When you find that special someone, even if he is not Singaporean, are you simply going to give up on love and happiness? 

 

I will fight for my relationship and my bf if I have to simply because it is important to me. 

[Luke321]

1 hour ago, doncoin said:

The unfortunate reality is Singapore will need foreigners to fill in the jobs that Singaporeans don't want to do. It is no different in the US or any other advance economies in the world. Certain sectors/industries will tend to be more reliant on foreign labour, i.e. construction, and other labour intensive jobs. 

 

When 2 people are in a relationship, and one is a foreigner, it does bring about a set of challenges. Should the couple break up because of nationality differences as a result of immigration rules? As so many people on BW have lamented, finding a relationship is difficult. When you find that special someone, even if he is not Singaporean, are you simply going to give up on love and happiness? 

 

I will fight for my relationship and my bf if I have to simply because it is important to me. 

For gay men, the problem is inability to obtain dependents pass , (lol, DP means something else in this forum). But the online company/initial freelancing route is viable. A bit awkward if you start a company and employ your BF to get things started (balance of power in relationship) but sounds like the two of you love each other more than enough to overcome the challenge. Good luck! Let us know how it works out. 

[Cirac]

It's a tough situation that i am in and I'm appreciative of the relevant comments and points of view. What was perhaps hope for future changed into a minute possibility of short term return. It's definitely discouraging. One can only keep trying. 

[Guest John]

1 hour ago, Cirac said:

It's a tough situation that i am in and I'm appreciative of the relevant comments and points of view. What was perhaps hope for future changed into a minute possibility of short term return. It's definitely discouraging. One can only keep trying. 

Happy New Year 

 

Your initiate question garnered so many responses and leads to politic disagreement of whether our GOVT should / should stop bringing in FT . 
 

Don't fret nor sigh.  Look at me it been 8 years , our re/ship is still growing strong despite he did not have a status in SG except tourist pass. 

I can only say that he is not poor so he can afford to fly in / out every other month , or fly me there . 

 

Last but not least nothing is absolutely in life except DIE - in USA they will tell - and pay your taxes by end April of the Calendar year 

Xin Nian Kuai Le - send my regard to your bf 
 

[Guest Guest]

On ‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 12:26 AM, doncoin said:

The unfortunate reality is Singapore will need foreigners to fill in the jobs that Singaporeans don't want to do. It is no different in the US or any other advance economies in the world. Certain sectors/industries will tend to be more reliant on foreign labour, i.e. construction, and other labour intensive jobs. 

 

So, are YOU coming into Singapore to fill in the jobs that Singaporeans don't want to do? Are you here to be a foreign labour to work on labour intensive jobs? This is such a typical distraction to this foreign "talent" case: Diverting the topic into the Work Pass permit type of foreigners when the situation of high unemployment rates of mature Singaporean PMETs gets raised up. Any better tricks nowadays?

 

On ‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 12:14 AM, Luke321 said:

 

Eliminate all your PRs and S pass holders - in a month, Singapore will literally be a stinking mess.

 

Then we only arrive at EP holders. Would any MNC put a regional base of operations here without the token Ang Moh in charge? Almost certainly NOPE. Doesn't matter if its a useless person in the seat. His/her presence accounts for all the jobs Singaporeans have in that company. 

 

GRAB - whose in the CEOs seat? Malaysian in origin - foreigner. Kick him out? Lol, all that billions in investment money and headquarters FTEs salary spent in Singapore is gone. 

 

Singapore's Ministry of Manpower at least knows how to use foreigners to make Singapore work in the long run, taking into account all the factors. Singapore's native population is too small for it to keep up with the world, especially with increasingly rapid technology disruption. 

 

 

Feel free to ask all the PRs and S pass holders  to leave. Let's see if  Singapore will really turned out to be a stinking mess as per what you had claimed. Regardless how, this country will still survive and life goes on. This country do not need pest like you around. Just because we invited you here to work in this country doesn't give you any entitlements to think that you are any superior than any of us. You are nobody and you can be easily replaced. We don't need you. Period.

 

For every one Grab that is being brought in, how many foreigners came in as employees? Don't make it sound as if Grab is some kind of a shining star company coming into Singapore. They came into Singapore for their own selfish reasons. If you don't think they didn't, please feel free to ask them to go back to Malaysia. We will see how they are going to react. Furthermore, for every one Grab here, just how many foreigners are here to fxxk around with the system. Look at the very way you are coaching others to do as indicated in the post below.

 

On ‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 1:38 AM, Luke321 said:

 A bit awkward if you start a company and employ your BF to get things started (balance of power in relationship) but sounds like the two of you love each other more than enough to overcome the challenge. Good luck! Let us know how it works out. 

 

If Singapore's Ministry of Manpower at least knows how to use foreigners to make Singapore work in the long run, taking into account all the factors, then please feel free to ask them to table up another 10 million population White Paper during the next election. Let's see how the country thinks about it.  

 

On ‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 12:14 AM, Luke321 said:

Hahhaha, more ignorance. Your patronising foreigner attitude is shining through. Like an empty can with a few marbles inside, all noise, little content. And the throwback reference to colonial mindset - old much?

 

As for your comment here, this was a real laughing point for me. Excuse me, you were the one thinking that foreigners' "spending power and job creation ability is many times that of the average Singaporean". Or have you forgotten you have said that yourself? Old much? And particularly in the light that this foreigner which @doncoin is trying to bring is indeed going to be unemployed and needs to be supported by someone else! Hahahahaha ... Furthermore, if you are the one having this old thinking that foreigners' "spending power and job creation ability is many times that of the average Singaporean", then I guess you must have some hidden thoughts that @doncoin is also, in your very own words, some "foreign Asian trash who is the white mans bottom bitch obviously" in other countries"?

 

On ‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 12:26 AM, doncoin said:

The unfortunate reality is Singapore will need foreigners to fill in the jobs that Singaporeans don't want to do. It is no different in the US or any other advance economies in the world. Certain sectors/industries will tend to be more reliant on foreign labour, i.e. construction, and other labour intensive jobs. 

 

When 2 people are in a relationship, and one is a foreigner, it does bring about a set of challenges. Should the couple break up because of nationality differences as a result of immigration rules? As so many people on BW have lamented, finding a relationship is difficult. When you find that special someone, even if he is not Singaporean, are you simply going to give up on love and happiness? 

 

I will fight for my relationship and my bf if I have to simply because it is important to me. 

 

@doncoin, your relationship may be important to you but it is not important to us. Why should this country allow your boyfriend to come here just because YOU want him here? We all face the same problem in Singapore. We are also tied to our own family which makes it difficult for us to move our entire family, including parents, overseas to work. But yet you, in other post, went ahead to goad Singaporeans as some immobile bunch. And yet, now the situation is smacking you back in your own face now, with you wanting to come into Singapore to work but yet with no job here in Singapore for your boyfriend, and you need to think of some dubious means to get him here. Singapore is only so small and it only take a single slip up here and there for us to figure out who you are when you arrive. And your previous words will be back to haunt you.  Words written on the forum will never be forgotten. Remember that.

[Luke321]

Lol, good luck Singapore then. Practically every new sector/sector catchup in Singapore has to be jumpstarted by a certain amount of foreigners so that it happens fast enough for the country to be a regional leader.

 

Olympic medals also Singapore had to rely on the occasional foreigner to really get things started to justify further investment. 

 

This is an island nation with no natural resources, limited population and land. There aren't enough people for natural varience to produce enough smart cookies to build every sector from scratch. Or olympic medalists in every sport.

 

If we implement your childish thinking, the first thing to go is Singapore's financial sector and all the corporate tax revenue it generates, exceeding what the EP holders take. You assume money would just float into Singapore naturally?  or that personal tax rates magically remain low after that?

 

Even DBS, recently voted best bank in the world, who helmed the underlying IT transformation to enable this? Foreigner working at it for over 7 years. Hahahahaha, certaily not local SG IT expertise and leadership - that gets you SingHealth.

 

Guest Guest, you sound like the Malaysian Prime Minister. Singapura Boleh!

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Luke321 said:

Lol, good luck Singapore then. Practically every new sector/sector catchup in Singapore has to be jumpstarted by a certain amount of foreigners so that it happens fast enough for the country to be a regional leader.

 

Olympic medals also Singapore had to rely on the occasional foreigner to really get things started to justify further investment. 

 

This is an island nation with no natural resources, limited population and land. There aren't enough people for natural varience to produce enough smart cookies to build every sector from scratch. Or olympic medalists in every sport.

 

If we implement your childish thinking, the first thing to go is Singapore's financial sector and all the corporate tax revenue it generates, exceeding what the EP holders take. You assume money would just float into Singapore naturally?  or that personal tax rates magically remain low after that?

 

Even DBS, recently voted best bank in the world, who helmed the underlying IT transformation to enable this? Foreigner working at it for over 7 years. Hahahahaha, certaily not local SG IT expertise and leadership - that gets you SingHealth.

 

Guest Guest, you sound like the Malaysian Prime Minister. Singapura Boleh!

 

Nice attempt trying to divert the attention away from the key situation again, and still using some small and irrelevant half-baked facts.

 

Yes, every new sector/sector startup in Singapore has to be jumpstarted by a certain amount of foreigners in the past. But you forgot to mentioned there was never a need for so many of them to come here to do that too. Singapore relied heavily on foreigners to start the new sectors in the past, but was there ever a need for 3 million of them to come do that? It was only under the helm of the current batch of 3G PAP leaders that this happened. And in fact, now with almost 3 million foreigners here with us, are we ahead of any country in any sector? Answer: Nooooooo. So instead of a symbiotic economic creation, the only situation created here is nothing more than a parasitic one. 

 

And one contributing factor why we suddenly have so many foreigners here is how one foreigner can bring his whole useless family into Singapore, even when those members have nothing to contribute, except to compete for the jobs available here with the locals. And that's not even taking into account those people who came in here to take away jobs meant for the locals too. 

 

Your tactic of trying to pull wool over the eyes of the citizens is what make you sound like the Malaysian Prime Minister instead. But at least the Malaysians have the guts to change. Are you one of those who voted for the change in Malaysia? Perhaps the current situation here in Singapore is good for foreigners like you to take advantage of? So you'd rather keep it as status quo here in Singapore, while you voted for change in your own backyard? 

[Guest Wonder Man]

TBH, worked in a bank and have come across quite a lot of really shit lousy foreign expats. A fresh ex marine from Oz who had absolutely no experience in construction came to be a project manager here, ~15k salary, cried when she botched up her first small project. And heading that small crew of ang-moh project managers also an equally clueless and inexperienced idiot who had to ask around 'what to do next'. 

 

I really wonder how they get to come over here and take up these jobs, sinkies don't want these jobs?

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, Guest Wonder Man said:

TBH, worked in a bank and have come across quite a lot of really shit lousy foreign expats. A fresh ex marine from Oz who had absolutely no experience in construction came to be a project manager here, ~15k salary, cried when she botched up her first small project. And heading that small crew of ang-moh project managers also an equally clueless and inexperienced idiot who had to ask around 'what to do next'. 

 

I really wonder how they get to come over here and take up these jobs, sinkies don't want these jobs?

 

Best perspective of the real situation in Sg here so far, regardless how others may want to deny it! Super Thumbs Up! 

[Luke321]

Haha. That one you can blame your own Singaporean HR people graduating from your own Singaporean education system and the AMDK attitude they have. And the SG upper management that continues to hire foreigners. Instead of scolding foreigners and the government, its really Singaporeans keeping other Singaporeans down.

 

And it's the current Malaysian PM with that attitude, elected by Malaysians with your type of perspective. Look what thats gotten Singapore. But as you say, good for them! Also, good for the current SG government, provides a distraction. Be careful what you wish for...

 

3 million also includes all the S pass holders so don't try moving the goal posts to your arguments. EP holders are a fraction of that. Compete for jobs? Many of those jobs wouldn't exist in the first place, and many indirect jobs as well, created by higher economic growth over many years and the larger domestic economy as a result of the spending by these foreigners. SG people do what? Kiasee and stuff everything in the bank with the lowest risk possible. 

 

Again, own people shoot own self in the foot.

 

Now with shrinking local population, where you think all the domestic spending growth going to come from? Older population suddenly going to prime the economy? Hahahah. Older population going to make way for new generation? Lol.

 

No, they are going to CUT COST to keep their paychecks and bonuses. Again, who suffers? More Singaporeans keeping Singaporeans down.

 

All this foreigner left, foreigner right is what they want you to think. Without foreigners, it'll still be the same story, probably much worse. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Magicerife]

Don’t use someone else’s blood. 

[Garyl]

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Best perspective of the real situation in Sg here so far, regardless how others may want to deny it! Super Thumbs Up! 

Usually the members dont care abt guest flight by night comments much.. Register an account, then post.

[Guest Wonder Man]

2 hours ago, Luke321 said:

Now with shrinking local population, where you think all the domestic spending growth going to come from? Older population suddenly going to prime the economy? Hahahah. Older population going to make way for new generation? Lol.

 

No, they are going to CUT COST to keep their paychecks and bonuses. Again, who suffers? More Singaporeans keeping Singaporeans down.

 

All this foreigner left, foreigner right is what they want you to think. Without foreigners, it'll still be the same story, probably much worse. 

 

So you are saying that there is a disastrous flaw in population planning since decades back? Which led to this sorry state? Are you implying the people of SG got pwned by their own garmen?

[Guest Wonder Man]

2 hours ago, Luke321 said:

Haha. That one you can blame your own Singaporean HR people graduating from your own Singaporean education system and the AMDK attitude they have. And the SG upper management that continues to hire foreigners. Instead of scolding foreigners and the government, its really Singaporeans keeping other Singaporeans down.

 

And in case you’re wondering, the head of the real estate department who is Ang moh chose to outsource those positions, and the 5 firms he narrowed down were all helmed by his countrymen. SG HR had little to do with it.

[doncoin]

14 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

@doncoin, your relationship may be important to you but it is not important to us. Why should this country allow your boyfriend to come here just because YOU want him here? We all face the same problem in Singapore. We are also tied to our own family which makes it difficult for us to move our entire family, including parents, overseas to work. But yet you, in other post, went ahead to goad Singaporeans as some immobile bunch. And yet, now the situation is smacking you back in your own face now, with you wanting to come into Singapore to work but yet with no job here in Singapore for your boyfriend, and you need to think of some dubious means to get him here. Singapore is only so small and it only take a single slip up here and there for us to figure out who you are when you arrive. And your previous words will be back to haunt you.  Words written on the forum will never be forgotten. Remember that.

 

 

Of course my relationship is unimportant to everyone else but me. Well, we are considering moving to Singapore since I grew up in Singapore, and majority of my family are still in Singapore. As for my bf, and soon to be husband, I think we should be fine relying on one income. My family is happy and excited that we are considering the move back home to be closer, but we are also exploring options in other Asian cities. The goal is ultimately to be closer to family, watching the nephews and nieces grow up and spend time with the elderly family members. At the end of the day, for us, the move to Singapore is to be closer to family.

 

For clarity, my whole family knows of us, and accept us, and so most of my friends. I have been fortunate to never have to hide or feel ashamed that I am gay or that I am in a relationship with a man. My mum was actually giving us suggestions as to where we should live to be close. 

 

I don't care if people figure out who I am. Frankly, I don't think there is anything special about me. Now, it is just time to focus on family, and being a gay couple, we are just trying to figure out options that work. Worst case scenario, we will just keep status quo. Stay where we are, and visit Singapore regularly. 

 

i don't think Singaporeans are an immobile bunch. In fact I have met Singaporeans from around the world. Some with families in tow. We are a tiny country geographically, but Singaporeans are very mobile. 

 

Edited February 6, 2019 by doncoin

[mate69]

I understand this topic is a sensitive one, given the nature of discussions and how they impact the perspectives of 'us' vs 'them'.

People are naturally afraid of the unknown, and having an influx of foreigners to Singapore who are assumed to be taking jobs away 

compounds this unknown fear factor, hence the types of comments we see here on this thread.

 

I believe many Singaporeans would like to move and be mobile but are, for various reasons, tied down to Singapore.

I am in a similar situation, except that it's the opposite. I would have to sponsor my Singaporean partner in a foreign land in order for him to work there.

But failing which, I think the other option would be for me to support us both on a single income, a scenario which I am fine with. Just that I believe (so does he)

that having the ability and legal status to work helps in the integration process and is immensely helpful, not to mention having dual incomes is always welcome.