Partner migration into Singapore

[doncoin]

3 hours ago, mate69 said:

I understand this topic is a sensitive one, given the nature of discussions and how they impact the perspectives of 'us' vs 'them'.

People are naturally afraid of the unknown, and having an influx of foreigners to Singapore who are assumed to be taking jobs away 

compounds this unknown fear factor, hence the types of comments we see here on this thread.

 

This is going a little off-topic: 

 

While the fear of foreigners taking jobs is real and understandable, it is interesting that many don't seem to fear technology replacing them. I was at the supermarket recently and noticed that there are more self-checkout counters than there are cashiers. Same thing at the petrol station. You swipe your card and indicate the amount of petrol you want. All of it done without a human. Even cleaning jobs, already we are seeing them being performed by robots. Granted certain tasks and job functions will still require a human, but at some point, someone out there is going to figure out a way to automate the process. 

 

I am not saying that we are going to be replaced entirely by machines. Just the the skills needed will be different- i.e. someone to repair the machine when it malfunctions vs, that of cashier or a cleaner, and it is not limited to low paying jobs. Even in the financial world, we are starting to see the trading done with a simple click, all of it within milliseconds to execute the deal. The skills needed are no longer the same.  

 

So while it is easy to blame foreigners and say they are taking away the jobs, we also need to examine the kinds of jobs that are being taken away and why are Singaporeans not being hired. What are the jobs foreigners are most likely to take away from? If it is due to the lack of qualified Singaporeans, then the schools should adjust the curriculum to ensure the proper training and education are given to meet that demand/need in the job market to reduce the need on foreigners or can the job function be automated? 

 

There are many hetero Singaporeans with foreign spouses who obtained their PR or long-term stay or work permits. All we are trying to accomplish or discuss here are for options for LGBT couples in a dual-nationality relationship can have to continue the relationship.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

6 hours ago, Garyl said:

Usually the members dont care abt guest flight by night comments much.. Register an account, then post.

 

But still... YOU cared enough to post about the "guest flight by night comments" ... 

 

8 hours ago, Luke321 said:

.. you can blame your own Singaporean HR people graduating from your own Singaporean education system and the AMDK attitude they have

 

OH! So after you were the one to state that "Their spending power and job creation ability is many times that of the average Singaporean" , it is actually Singaporeans with the AMDK attitude? Since when were you confered a Singaporean citizenship? 

 

8 hours ago, Luke321 said:

3 million also includes all the S pass holders so don't try moving the goal posts to your arguments. 

 

S pass holders in those 3 million are also competing for jobs with Singaporeans also what!? Who said anything about the EP people being the only ones competing with jobs with Singaporeans? Thank you for shooting into your own goal over here for me 

 

8 hours ago, Luke321 said:

Without foreigners, it'll still be the same story, probably much worse. 

 

As usual, nice attempt to divert the attention away from the fact that it was the foreigner HR making it difficult for Singaporeans to find jobs here in their own country. So don't pin in on Singaporeans by claiming us to be own people shoot ownself in the foot. In fact, using your own logic, with all the foreigners over here now, did the story change? No, the fact remained that the story had gotten much worse with the foreigners here. And further in fact, with your low level of reasoning capability here, it just goes to show the type of foreigners we have here in Sg. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Wonder Man]

3 hours ago, doncoin said:

While the fear of foreigners taking jobs is real and understandable,

 

This is really happening, not just a fear. Maybe after you come back, work and feel the ground, you'll understand better. Our pop stats is 40% foreigners now, do you think they are all construction workers, sales staff and whatever jobs that sinkies don't want to do?

 

As I said I worked in a bank a couple years back, and not a bank with full banking licence in SG, they have a  backend office with about 3000 staff, more than 95% are from India, thanks to CECA, and at least 15% of the job position stated are managerial and higher. SG don't want these jobs?

 

How would you like to go to SGH and be attended by a doctor from China, who can't explain your condition to you in English?

How would you like to go to SGH and be attended by a doctor from India, who asks you what medication you'd like to try? through the thick thick accent.

How would you like to go to SGH and be attended by a doctor from Philippines, who is unsure of your diagnosis, would you question her credentials?

 

Sorry but I"m just stating my experience from the past few years, the list goes on.

 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Guest Wonder Man said:

 

This is really happening, not just a fear. Maybe after you come back, work and feel the ground, you'll understand better. Our pop stats is 40% foreigners now, do you think they are all construction workers, sales staff and whatever jobs that sinkies don't want to do?

 

As I said I worked in a bank a couple years back, and not a bank with full banking licence in SG, they have a  backend office with about 3000 staff, more than 95% are from India, thanks to CECA, and at least 15% of the job position stated are managerial and higher. SG don't want these jobs?

 

How would you like to go to SGH and be attended by a doctor from China, who can't explain your condition to you in English?

How would you like to go to SGH and be attended by a doctor from India, who asks you what medication you'd like to try? through the thick thick accent.

How would you like to go to SGH and be attended by a doctor from Philippines, who is unsure of your diagnosis, would you question her credentials?

 

Sorry but I"m just stating my experience from the past few years, the list goes on.

 

 

You really do not have to apologize for calling things out the way they are. In fact, I really appreciate those observations. What you have seen is not in just a single bank alone and not just with one single nationality as well. It is happening across all the industries in Singapore, and the Indians are not the only people who will bring their entire family clan into Singapore too. 

 

But your observations will fall onto deaf ears of such people like @doncoin. This guy has not lived in Singapore for years and he has completely lost touch with what is happening in Singapore now,  so much to the extent that he has even labelled such observations as "WHINING" posts  and told us to "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITUATION" in the past. And he even told us to move overseas if we are unhappy about the situation, but yet he wants to come back because his "goals ultimately to be closer to family, watching the nephews and nieces grow up and spend time with the elderly family members". It is as if those are HIS goals alone, and only HIS FAMILY is all so important, and it is ONLY HIM who wants to be closer to family, watching the nephews and nieces grow up and spend time with the elderly family members.

 

That's why I have been calling him a hypocritical moron all this time. He thinks he is some kind of higher-level beings, and his moral benchmark in life is different from that of lowly-mortals like us. He think he is the some elitist piece of crap whose family is so important, while he conveniently neglects the fact that we too have families here in Singapore whom we need to care for as well, and we were unable to move. He lives in his own world with some warped perspective of what life here in Singapore is like. 

 

Like I have said, post written on this forum do not get forgotten so easily.

[Garyl]

6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

But still... YOU cared enough to post about the "guest flight by night comments" ... 

 

 

OH! So after you were the one to state that "Their spending power and job creation ability is many times that of the average Singaporean" , it is actually Singaporeans with the AMDK attitude? Since when were you confered a Singaporean citizenship? 

 

 

S pass holders in those 3 million are also competing for jobs with Singaporeans also what!? Who said anything about the EP people being the only ones competing with jobs with Singaporeans? Thank you for shooting into your own goal over here for me 

 

 

As usual, nice attempt to divert the attention away from the fact that it was the foreigner HR making it difficult for Singaporeans to find jobs here in their own country. So don't pin in on Singaporeans by claiming us to be own people shoot ownself in the foot. In fact, using your own logic, with all the foreigners over here now, did the story change? No, the fact remained that the story had gotten much worse with the foreigners here. And further in fact, with your low level of reasoning capability here, it just goes to show the type of foreigners we have here in Sg. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, i think more, including me would read if you posted as non guest. You have invested time and it is a waste if more didnt read.

[Luke321]

6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

But still... YOU cared enough to post about the "guest flight by night comments" ... 

 

 

OH! So after you were the one to state that "Their spending power and job creation ability is many times that of the average Singaporean" , it is actually Singaporeans with the AMDK attitude? Since when were you confered a Singaporean citizenship? 

 

 

S pass holders in those 3 million are also competing for jobs with Singaporeans also what!? Who said anything about the EP people being the only ones competing with jobs with Singaporeans? Thank you for shooting into your own goal over here for me 

 

 

As usual, nice attempt to divert the attention away from the fact that it was the foreigner HR making it difficult for Singaporeans to find jobs here in their own country. So don't pin in on Singaporeans by claiming us to be own people shoot ownself in the foot. In fact, using your own logic, with all the foreigners over here now, did the story change? No, the fact remained that the story had gotten much worse with the foreigners here. And further in fact, with your low level of reasoning capability here, it just goes to show the type of foreigners we have here 

Then imagine a Singapore where the exchange rate is only 1.4 vs M'sian Ringgit, cheapest cai.png is at least twice as expensive, go overseas Japan, Korea holiday much more difficult. Tax rate at 30%. Majority Singaporeans working blue collar manufacturing jobs instead of managerial jobs bossing over S pass foreigners. The fact that SG currency started same as Malaysia but is now 3:1 shows that foreigner money in is more than foreigner money out. Everyday Singaporeans have food prices staying flat, low income tax, enjoy overseas travel because of strong currency is thanks to how SG is using foreigners. Some people think doncoin is selfish and only care about himself? Well, same thing, some people dun realise they are being selfish and only think short term about themself instead of the country. Maybe gay men no children so never think that far about the future?

 

No foreigners, things still as crowded because the government dun have the money to build more capacity, urban planning for smaller population then also filled to capacity. No Temasek, GIC income because the intital budget surplus for their investment is a direct result of taxation of foreign corporate business, foreigner income in SG.

 

Foreigner bring the jobs, locate regional headquarters here, they have more say how many they want to allocate to locals. Otherwise, they might as well set up in Malaysia or Bangkok.  Either accept foreigners making it "difficult" or choose for ALL the jobs they create not to exist. 

 

Local business AMDK, well, that SG issue right? Local SG doctor more interested in treating rich foreigner in their private practice at Novena, forcing government to import foreign doctors, actually also SG issue right? 

 

If someone import thier gay bf, support him stay at home - is actually better for economy. He doesn't work - not taking MRT at peak hours, crowding food court, competing for job. Singaporean boyfriend must support him, work harder, and spend more instead of saving. More money enter local economy instead of stuck in bank. Also, no children use up hospital space, compete for school slot, university space. 

 

Lol, SG should encourage importing gay boyfriends. As long as not HIV+ and have access to confidential records....

 

 

 

Edited February 7, 2019 by Luke321

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, Garyl said:

Yes, i think more, including me would read if you posted as non guest. You have invested time and it is a waste if more didnt read.

 

I am not here to post anything just to get into some Leaderboard. If I want to get int the Leaderboard, I will just go ahead and post a picture of my dick and it will win the day.

 

 

2 hours ago, Luke321 said:

The fact that SG currency started same as Malaysia but is now 3:1 shows that foreigner money in is more than foreigner money out

 

This shows that there is more foreigner money flowing in than foreigner money flowing out??  Excuse me...?? Just what type of economic reasoning is this?? Seriously...just what type of foreigners are we bringing into Singapore right now to reason out such things??

 

2 hours ago, Luke321 said:

No foreigners, things still as crowded because the government dun have the money to build more capacity, urban planning for smaller population then also filled to capacity

 

Again...what is this?? You think Singapore was crowded all these years huh? What Singapore dun have money to build more capacity? There was a period of time way before Mah Bow Tan that there was more supply of HDB than what was needed, you know?? KNS... 

 

2 hours ago, Luke321 said:

No Temasek, GIC income because the intital budget surplus for their investment is a direct result of taxation of foreign corporate business, foreigner income in SG.

 

Really huh?? Then how come Temasek and GIC can lose money in BoA shares etc, to the extent that Temasek needs to sell retail bonds , and everyone is now worried about the COF money which seems to be silently kept in the CPF board until you are 70 years old, unless you fill in paperwork to get the money out at 65 years old?? Where is the income from Temasek and GIC now? Invested by someone in her friend's company known as Hyflux??

 

2 hours ago, Luke321 said:

If someone import thier gay bf, support him stay at home - is actually better for economy. He doesn't work - not taking MRT at peak hours, crowding food court, competing for job. Singaporean boyfriend must support him, work harder, and spend more instead of saving. More money enter local economy instead of stuck in bank.

  

I am so embarrassed right now. This basically proves that I have been trying to reason with a retard.  

 

[Guest Wonder Man]

Ultimately my two cents is, population increase is not wrong, even if we hit 6 million or more, but it should have been grown or increased from within, not by mass importing in such a short time. It also seems we have lowered our standards just to import many foreigners to inflate GDP, foreign qualifications which we used to shun/disallow/disassociate with is now allowed after doing a simple 3 months conversion course. This dilutes the quality of our education and makes a mockery of the stringent standards we used to place upon it. The current situation just shows the lack of foresight and cluelessness in long term planning over the past decade(s?), partly I think, thanks to the KPI and instagratification system adopted by those in charge.

[Luke321]

Loooooool.....I've tried but it seems you dun even know basic economics and why Singapore currency is so strong. 

 

Welp, I see why some of the people I know from uni are now successful Singapore MP's when actually, the real person is very calculative, and verbally manipulatve, say one thing mean another. It must be easy for them to keep the broader population under 'control' without revealing thier true colours.

 

Like u said, everyone can see your posts.

 

Majulah Singapura. 

[Luke321]

3 minutes ago, Guest Wonder Man said:

Ultimately my two cents is, population increase is not wrong, even if we hit 6 million or more, but it should have been grown or increased from within, not by mass importing in such a short time. It also seems we have lowered our standards just to import many foreigners to inflate GDP, foreign qualifications which we used to shun/disallow/disassociate with is now allowed after doing a simple 3 months conversion course. This dilutes the quality of our education and makes a mockery of the stringent standards we used to place upon it. The current situation just shows the lack of foresight and cluelessness in long term planning over the past decade(s?), partly I think, thanks to the KPI and instagratification system adopted by those in charge.

Now this I completely agree with. Civil service MBAs without enough real world experience and perspective of age/history. Combined with fragmentation of overall leadership and not enough coordination...but also remember that sometimes, SG has to work its way past regional/global downturns with stopgap measures. Tricky balance, especially with the gap between downturns becoming smaller and smaller.

[Guest Wonder Man]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

... kept in the CPF board until you are 70 years old, unless you fill in paperwork to get the money out at 65 years old??

 

Yes, this is really ridiculous, it reminded me of Singtel years ago, when they secretly bill all their users add-ons which no user subscribed for, and unless you opt out, you are automatically charged for it. Many people did not check their bill, and it wasn't until later they were called out for it, they had to stop this practice, also think they were fined for it. I wonder how much money they made out of this. And now it looks like CPF creatively adapted this play from them.

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Luke321 said:

Loooooool.....I've tried but it seems you dun even know basic economics and why Singapore currency is so strong. 

 

Let me try educating the retard one last time as to why Sg currency is so strong, and see if anything goes through his thick skull. Go read the article here and see how Singapore ranks a currency manipulator globally: https://qz.com/1246588/the-biggest-currency-manipulators-of-2017-in-charts/ I want to keep this post short, so that I don't waste my previous time on retards like him.

[doncoin]

10 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

You really do not have to apologize for calling things out the way they are. In fact, I really appreciate those observations. What you have seen is not in just a single bank alone and not just with one single nationality as well. It is happening across all the industries in Singapore, and the Indians are not the only people who will bring their entire family clan into Singapore too. 

 

But your observations will fall onto deaf ears of such people like @doncoin. This guy has not lived in Singapore for years and he has completely lost touch with what is happening in Singapore now,  so much to the extent that he has even labelled such observations as "WHINING" posts  and told us to "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITUATION" in the past. And he even told us to move overseas if we are unhappy about the situation, but yet he wants to come back because his "goals ultimately to be closer to family, watching the nephews and nieces grow up and spend time with the elderly family members". It is as if those are HIS goals alone, and only HIS FAMILY is all so important, and it is ONLY HIM who wants to be closer to family, watching the nephews and nieces grow up and spend time with the elderly family members.

 

That's why I have been calling him a hypocritical moron all this time. He thinks he is some kind of higher-level beings, and his moral benchmark in life is different from that of lowly-mortals like us. He think he is the some elitist piece of crap whose family is so important, while he conveniently neglects the fact that we too have families here in Singapore whom we need to care for as well, and we were unable to move. He lives in his own world with some warped perspective of what life here in Singapore is like. 

 

Like I have said, post written on this forum do not get forgotten so easily.

 

As you have pointed out, the back offices of banks and so many other companies have been outsourced to countries like India and Philippines, and they are bringing their foreign workers and their families with them. In some cases, there is no way we can beat the cost savings in hiring workers from those countries. The value of the dollar stretches further in their home country than they do in Singapore. So we cannot really compete on price/costs. Where we can compete is on the skills, by having the skills that they do not have to remain competitive, or develop the technologies to automate and replace the foreign workers entirely. However in taking that route, we will also eliminate the same jobs for Singaporeans. 

 

Perhaps you are right that I have lost touch with what is happening in Singapore now as I am usually back only for business trips. However what I didn't lose is the reality that nobody owes me a living. I have spent several years struggling without family around back when I first moved overseas and the struggles have taught that you are what you do. This is made especially clear when I have been a migrant worker myself. 

 

Looking at the situation now, as you have pointed out, when I tell people to "quit whining" I may be too harsh. Some people just do not have the resources or capabilities to make the change, much less do something about the situation. Perhaps complaining about "poor me" is the best they can do at the moment, and you are right, whoever you are, I can be more empathetic. and agree with them that life has treated them unfairly. Where I draw the line is what are they going to do about it? Complaining and whining is not really going to change the circumstances or reality.

 

We all have families, and you are right,  not everyone has the luxury of mobility to move to a different country due to obligations. I chose to move overseas, and made the choice. Life is not a bed of roses and there have been moments where there are challenges and difficulties. However, complaining about them is not going to resolve the problems. Your family is important to you, and righty so. However, I don't understand how in pursuing my familial goals, has anything to do with neglecting the fact that you have families too? We don't know each other, and so, I am confused how my choices will affect you?

 

My bf and I are not looking to create problems for Singaporeans. We simply just want to live our lives and grow old together. Do you have something against that? 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

In the SAME ONE PARAGRAPH, you can actually say "when I tell people to "quit whining" I may be too harsh", and tried acting all sympathetic by claiming "Some people just do not have the resources or capabilities to make the change, much less do something about the situation" and continued with the lousy pretentious act of "We all have families, and you are right,  not everyone has the luxury of mobility to move to a different country due to obligations", but yet, almost immediately, went ahead to claim that people are "Complaining and whining" and it "is not really going to change the circumstances or reality".

 

And all these after your own claim that ""and you are right, whoever you are, I can be more empathetic".  I was reeling in laughter so much after I read your post from yesterday, that I needed to pick myself up from the floor rolling in laughter on it. Hahahaha ... This just goes to show I have been right all the time when I called you a HYPOCRITICAL MORON because that is exactly who you are.

 

As what has been posted by other forumers on this thread alone, there is a covert structural and systematic exclusion of Singaporeans from good jobs within the various companies, and it begins the moment a single foreigner gets into key positions within the organization. This can be seen by observations like those below, which is not just seen by Guest Wonder Man himself, but many others too. And people who are observing it dare not report it for fear of the backlash within the company, and the government knows about it but they are ignoring it because job creation for Singaporeans is not even their priority to care for now, since the elections is now long gone and over.  

 

On ‎2‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 6:06 PM, Guest Wonder Man said:

A fresh ex marine from Oz who had absolutely no experience in construction came to be a project manager here, ~15k salary, cried when she botched up her first small project. And heading that small crew of ang-moh project managers also an equally clueless and inexperienced idiot who had to ask around 'what to do next'. 

 

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 9:59 AM, Guest Wonder Man said:

As I said I worked in a bank a couple years back, and not a bank with full banking licence in SG, they have a  backend office with about 3000 staff, more than 95% are from India, thanks to CECA, and at least 15% of the job position stated are managerial and higher.

 

 

 

And now, finally, to this question :

 

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 10:56 PM, doncoin said:

My bf and I are not looking to create problems for Singaporeans. We simply just want to live our lives and grow old together. Do you have something against that? 

 

You want to live your lives and grow old together, that's YOUR bloody business. But why should ANYONE here in Singapore be robbed of a job opportunity simply because YOU want to "live (y)our lives and grow old together" here? You say "you are not looking to create problems for Singaporeans", but yet you, with your out-of-touch perspectives, don't even have half-a-clue as to what are the problems here in Singapore, and whether you are creating any for Singaporeans now. You don't even know your posts here lacks sensitivity to Singaporeans in this current socio-economic climate, do you? Stop pretending you are empathetic to anyone, when you are nothing more than a HYPOCRITICAL MORON thinking only for yourself. In case you have no clue where I am coming from with this statement, you can go back up to my first paragraph (especially) and re-read my entire post again.

[Guest Guest2]

On 2/4/2019 at 4:14 AM, doncoin said:

 

Yes he is. It may be easier for us both but given the political climate, it is just not a good quality of life any more.

 

 

 

Well, he is not really into those sort of things. Making small talk is one thing he hates doing. His take is when we move to Singapore, he much prefer staying in a HDB flat as he wants to experience an authentic Singapore life versus being in some majority expat condo, like in some gated community. 

 

I think we may start an online business that he can work on regardless where we are physically. 

 

 

Please do not!! We are already the most expensive place to live in the world!! More expensive than living in monte carlo!! Do not make our hdb more expensive than it is!

 

I have no objection if you can fullfill the following obligations:

 

1-stay only at places like sentosa cove or condos at district 9 or 10. It will not increase cost of our hdb

 

2-do not take mrt as it will make our over crowded mrt more crowded

 

3-do not eat at hawker centers, only at fine dining angmo restaurants as this will not increase demand for hawker food thus not 8ncrease price.

 

4-all monies earned in singapore must stay in singapore so that it will benifit locals

 

5-employ only true blue singaporeans for work.

 

6-pay top teir taxes as singaporeans gave you  security and fatten up your wallets

 

7-must do charity work every week at local charity.

 

8-must be a person of upright character, must be willinh to let us check your background

 

9-must always treat local singaporeans with upmost respect. Always give way 

 

If you assure your partner can meet the above obligations, my family and I will welcome your partner and may even lend my name to the application to lend more weight.

[Guest Funchub29]

I guess there are a lot of angry people on both sides... and rightfully so. But I think a lot of people are missing then point... All that was done, ultimately is to make someone richer. If hiring locals can make someone richer... They will hire locals or vice versa. I can say the majority of ppl that have negative feedbacks are salary men. Unfortunately it's not the same tune I hear from the higher management and bosses. All of them complain to me that they cannot hire more foreigners.. Be it in lower end jobs nobody want to do or in higher executive and even management post. Most richer, well to do Singaporeans support more foreigner workers (ironically they hate PRCs.. And almost all will say 'those PRCs are disgusting but my PRC worker very different. They are hard working and quiet... Unlike the tourist PRCs....)

 

After so many years I realize most Singaporean thinks.. It's what is best for me. Salary men will almost support less PRs and more jobs for locals (better pay and benefits) .. Many bosses and well to do Singaporeans support the Gov policy, despite the troubles it brings but $$$ trumps those minor issues.

 

Of course there are exceptions..but mostly the majority thinks the same.

 

This is not my view but from my many years of observation having worked with people at all positions. End of day we just want want is better for us.. And what is better is different for all.

 

 

[Guest disclosed yourself]

On 2/6/2019 at 2:29 PM, Luke321 said:

Lol, good luck Singapore then. Practically every new sector/sector catchup in Singapore has to be jumpstarted by a certain amount of foreigners so that it happens fast enough for the country to be a regional leader.

 

Olympic medals also Singapore had to rely on the occasional foreigner to really get things started to justify further investment. 

 

This is an island nation with no natural resources, limited population and land. There aren't enough people for natural varience to produce enough smart cookies to build every sector from scratch. Or olympic medalists in every sport.

 

If we implement your childish thinking, the first thing to go is Singapore's financial sector and all the corporate tax revenue it generates, exceeding what the EP holders take. You assume money would just float into Singapore naturally?  or that personal tax rates magically remain low after that?

 

Even DBS, recently voted best bank in the world, who helmed the underlying IT transformation to enable this? Foreigner working at it for over 7 years. Hahahahaha, certaily not local SG IT expertise and leadership - that gets you SingHealth.

 

Guest Guest, you sound like the Malaysian Prime Minister. Singapura Boleh!

 

Thanks for taking up the challenge of discussion against that trolling Guest Dirty,  Guest 脏子姨 alias Guest Guest 2 alias Guest 犯贱冰冰 during my short absence from Blowing Wind.

I am content to see that other people oppose his very limited view and who is actually displaying some "Asian (Singaporean) supremacist" view, which has no basis in facts.

I applaud you for your efforts to counter his arguments on a reasonable and behaved manner.

 

 

 

Whana atu poho ki roto, haere mai taiki ki waho; nohoia te whare, ko te hee tonu.

[Guest FWIW]

Perhaps the majority should follow their advise and book one way ticket to China for their grandparents and descendents.

 

That should solve the problem of jobs and overpopulation in one swoop.

[Guest Guest]

49 minutes ago, Guest FWIW said:

Perhaps the majority should follow their advise and book one way ticket to China for their grandparents and descendents.

 

That should solve the problem of jobs and overpopulation in one swoop.

 

OH... You are soooo smart! Did you tell that to Donald Trump as well? Book one way ticket to Britain for their grandparents and descendents to solve the problem of jobs and overpopulation in one swoop. It might be more cost effective than building a great wall. 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/7/2019 at 9:59 AM, Guest Wonder Man said:

As I said I worked in a bank a couple years back, and not a bank with full banking licence in SG, they have a  backend office with about 3000 staff, more than 95% are from India, thanks to CECA, and at least 15% of the job position stated are managerial and higher. SG don't want these jobs?

 

 

And this news just came in from the banking sector today :

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/banking/citibank-singapore-chief-executive-han-kwee-juan-resigns

 

Citibank CEO Han Kwee Juan resigned, with Vikas Kumar, originally from India, becoming the new CEO. Is this a case of Singaporeans not wanting to become the CEO of Citibank Singapore? Or perhaps there is not a single Singaporean capable enough to take up that position? So the position can be managed only by an Indian? 

[Guest Sinkie]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

And this news just came in from the banking sector today :

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/banking/citibank-singapore-chief-executive-han-kwee-juan-resigns

 

Citibank CEO Han Kwee Juan resigned, with Vikas Kumar, originally from India, becoming the new CEO. Is this a case of Singaporeans not wanting to become the CEO of Citibank Singapore? Or perhaps there is not a single Singaporean capable enough to take up that position? So the position can be managed only by an Indian? 

 

Seems like these days many qualified Singaporeans only want jobs like taxi divers, private hire drivers, food delivery man - looking at the surge in these sectors. When they get older they can aspire to be the neighbourhood cardboard collector or foodcourt cleaner, because they don’t want to stay at home and do nothing.

[Guest Guest]

11 hours ago, Guest Funchub29 said:

I guess there are a lot of angry people on both sides... and rightfully so. But I think a lot of people are missing then point... All that was done, ultimately is to make someone richer. If hiring locals can make someone richer... They will hire locals or vice versa. I can say the majority of ppl that have negative feedbacks are salary men. Unfortunately it's not the same tune I hear from the higher management and bosses. All of them complain to me that they cannot hire more foreigners.. Be it in lower end jobs nobody want to do or in higher executive and even management post. Most richer, well to do Singaporeans support more foreigner workers (ironically they hate PRCs.. And almost all will say 'those PRCs are disgusting but my PRC worker very different. They are hard working and quiet... Unlike the tourist PRCs....)

 

After so many years I realize most Singaporean thinks.. It's what is best for me. Salary men will almost support less PRs and more jobs for locals (better pay and benefits) .. Many bosses and well to do Singaporeans support the Gov policy, despite the troubles it brings but $$$ trumps those minor issues.

 

Of course there are exceptions..but mostly the majority thinks the same.

 

This is not my view but from my many years of observation having worked with people at all positions. End of day we just want want is better for us.. And what is better is different for all.

 

 

We are too concern for GDP growth. I always wonder why must the government GDP thie GDP that? Why must have FTAs with so many countries? It will be good if the focus is on the happiness of the people. If happiness comes at the cost of GDP growth, so be it. The econony can contract by 1/3...if that happens, HDB prices will be much less, thus enabling future singaporeans cheaper housing, deflation will make things cheaper for us. I wish we will have the kampong spirit and the good old days where there is less FTs, cheap house, mrt not crowded got seats, no MBS, etc

[Guest NumbersGame]

12 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

We are too concern for GDP growth. I always wonder why must the government GDP thie GDP that?

 

Cos it’s an indicator of growth and their bonus are tied to those numbers?

 

[Guest Sinkie]

Hai... more sinkies don't want to be SIA pilots, salaries too low, now SIA have to hire Ah neh pilots.

 

http://theindependent.sg/sia-scoot-train-pilots-from-indian-airline-vistara/

[Guest Trash or Talent]

Despite the lengthy discussions and no lack of brain power in the above posts, has no one read bout Ler Teck Siang? 

 

[Guest guest]

5 hours ago, Guest Sinkie said:

Hai... more sinkies don't want to be SIA pilots, salaries too low, now SIA have to hire Ah neh pilots.

 

http://theindependent.sg/sia-scoot-train-pilots-from-indian-airline-vistara/

 

At least Ah neh can roll their arses and get their le, re , ne, pronounce correctly, 

 

no confusion with right turn, not light turn,

 

left bank, not reft bank, 

 

rotate not lotate,

 

reverse thrusters,  

 

not leverse thlusters, 

 

which ching chongs always get confused with and 

 

 

also singular and plural all over the place, 

 

eg.

 

Arl Cabin clews, secure doors and closs check, 

 

we will be facing closs winds and some turberencesssssed,

 

please play play to higher powel,

 

we will be alliving at a destination in fawlty minutes, 

whether at destination is corl and weendy and ovelcasts.

 

senkyu for frying with Singapole aarines.

 

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Guest guest said:

At least Ah neh can roll their arses and get their le, re , ne, pronounce correctly, 

 

 

Ah neh's English is the HARDEST to understand with their thick accent. Listen from far, cannot understand them; Listen from near, can smell them. 

[Guest Self entitled]

While I see the political benefit of preferring Singaporeans in our employment strategies, we should spend our effort more on levelling up our Singaporeans to be more competitive. Rather than ranting about that many foreigners around, how about considering that these foreigners are fellow global citizen who worked hard all their life to deserve a go in life too? 

 

We will understand better when we're less biased. After having a foreigner as BF, I finally see the whole issue from both lenses. 

 

If we remain to be so self entitled, we  will slowly evolve into  a nation that desires Donald Trump to be our king.

 

My BF have worked in Singapore for many years. I'm encouraging him to apply for PR and hopefully he gets it. He works hard daily, contributing to the society. Unlike many self entitled "Singaporeans" feeding off society's hard work just because they happen to be born here. Absurd isn't it?

 

Singapore is a meritocratic society. And I hope it continues to be such. 

 

I promote compassion. Not slothful and self entitled attitude. 

[Guest John]

3 minutes ago, Guest Self entitled said:

While I see the political benefit of preferring Singaporeans in our employment strategies, we should spend our effort more on levelling up our Singaporeans to be more competitive. Rather than ranting about that many foreigners around, how about considering that these foreigners are fellow global citizen who worked hard all their life to deserve a go in life too? 

 

We will understand better when we're less biased. After having a foreigner as BF, I finally see the whole issue from both lenses. 

 

If we remain to be so self entitled, we  will slowly evolve into  a nation that desires Donald Trump to be our king.

 

My BF have worked in Singapore for many years. I'm encouraging him to apply for PR and hopefully he gets it. He works hard daily, contributing to the society. Unlike many self entitled "Singaporeans" feeding off society's hard work just because they happen to be born here. Absurd isn't it?

 

Singapore is a meritocratic society. And I hope it continues to be such. 

 

I promote compassion. Not slothful and self entitled attitude. 

Oh NO , jia luck , u just mentioned that u have a bf , a foreigner working here right ?? 

That is ...... u will get it ........ wait a while , when he logon and read your article, wow lau , another CURSE and SWEAR coming ....

Good luck , but dont need to take it to heart ....... we kind of get used to it 

[Guest Guest]

20 minutes ago, Guest Self entitled said:

our effort more on levelling up our Singaporeans to be more competitive

 

This bullshxt excuse has been overused. Read the articles again: CEO of Citibank Sg is now an India-origin Indian. You mean the whole Singapore has nobody good enough to take that position. Singaporeans has been bashed for being "under qualified" and told to upgrade for donkey years now, while foreigners with half the capability to get things done but twice the capability of bullshxting and shunting excuses took up key posts.

 

23 minutes ago, Guest Self entitled said:

We will understand better when we're less biased.

 

You might need to reevaluate to see if it is us who are being biased, or you. 

 

24 minutes ago, Guest Self entitled said:

If we remain to be so self entitled, we  will slowly evolve into  a nation that desires Donald Trump to be our king.

 

Thiw is not self-entitlement or protectionism. Who is paying the government to look after the nation? Singaporeans or foreigners? And when it comes to the nation, is it the people who makes up the nation or just the money and GDP? If it is Singaporeans who build up this country for the government to get a salary paid by us so that they can go look after other nationalities, then what is the point of voting them into the parliament? We might as well vote for the government of other nations. 

 

28 minutes ago, Guest Self entitled said:

 

My BF have worked in Singapore for many years. I'm encouraging him to apply for PR and hopefully he gets it. He works hard daily, contributing to the society. Unlike many self entitled "Singaporeans" feeding off society's hard work just because they happen to be born here. Absurd isn't it?

 

Singapore is a meritocratic society. And I hope it continues to be such. 

 

I promote compassion. Not slothful and self entitled attitude. 

 

If you haven't seen Singaporeans working hard, then there is something wrong with your eyes. You think meritocracy runs the show in Singapore now, then you might need to relook at the unemployment rate of mature PMETs again. 

[Guest Eye Roller]

3 hours ago, Guest Self entitled said:

Singapore is a meritocratic society. And I hope it continues to be such. 

 

You must be so removed from Singapore, ignorant, blind or incredibly stupid to make this kind of statement.

[doncoin]

There are definitely some people who are struggling and yes, they have valid concerns with foreigners coming to Singapore and competing against their jobs. We live in a global economy, and for better or worse, that is not going to change. Yes, this creates an environment of constant competition, and the pressure is not something everyone can handle. The bigger threat to be honest, in the years to come will be automation, robotics and artificial intelligence. Already they are replacing humans entirely. So it is not only the jobs of Singaporeans that will be affected in the years to come, but the foreigners as well. If you do not have the skills needed to survive in the new age of machine learning, you will be left behind. 

 

A machine will costs less than a salaried worker. A machine is not going to care about stealing your job. A machine, depending on the tasks, will perform better than a human, and will only continue to do so. I may be a "moron" but I do know that someday, this will be a reality. At that point. are we going to blame the machines for making our lives miserable? 

[Guest Eugene]

3 hours ago, doncoin said:

There are definitely some people who are struggling and yes, they have valid concerns with foreigners coming to Singapore and competing against their jobs. We live in a global economy, and for better or worse, that is not going to change. Yes, this creates an environment of constant competition, and the pressure is not something everyone can handle. The bigger threat to be honest, in the years to come will be automation, robotics and artificial intelligence. Already they are replacing humans entirely. So it is not only the jobs of Singaporeans that will be affected in the years to come, but the foreigners as well. If you do not have the skills needed to survive in the new age of machine learning, you will be left behind. 

 

A machine will costs less than a salaried worker. A machine is not going to care about stealing your job. A machine, depending on the tasks, will perform better than a human, and will only continue to do so. I may be a "moron" but I do know that someday, this will be a reality. At that point. are we going to blame the machines for making our lives miserable? 

[Guest FWIW]

European and American banks operating in Singapore would deal with corporate and institutional clients from home countries and would appoint trading or sales executives with experience in overseas markets. This is the unfortunate truth and I believe that is apparent for Asian banks operating in Singapore as well.

 

To the thread starter, I don't believe you are going to find any help with the topic here but I would advise you to work with an immigration lawyer. This topic can be fairly stressful especially if you want to plan for mid to long term.

 

[Guest WTF]

On 2/12/2019 at 10:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

This bullshxt excuse has been overused. Read the articles again: CEO of Citibank Sg is now an India-origin Indian. You mean the whole Singapore has nobody good enough to take that position. Singaporeans has been bashed for being "under qualified" and told to upgrade for donkey years now, while foreigners with half the capability to get things done but twice the capability of bullshxting and shunting excuses took up key posts.

 

DBS CEO is also from India.

[Guest Guest]

On ‎2‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 11:03 AM, doncoin said:

There are definitely some people who are struggling and yes, they have valid concerns with foreigners coming to Singapore and competing against their jobs. We live in a global economy, and for better or worse, that is not going to change. Yes, this creates an environment of constant competition, and the pressure is not something everyone can handle. The bigger threat to be honest, in the years to come will be automation, robotics and artificial intelligence. Already they are replacing humans entirely. So it is not only the jobs of Singaporeans that will be affected in the years to come, but the foreigners as well. If you do not have the skills needed to survive in the new age of machine learning, you will be left behind. 

 

A machine will costs less than a salaried worker. A machine is not going to care about stealing your job. A machine, depending on the tasks, will perform better than a human, and will only continue to do so. I may be a "moron" but I do know that someday, this will be a reality. At that point. are we going to blame the machines for making our lives miserable? 

 

Seriously, WTF? I was just away for a week or so, and I return to see your post now.

 

So now, you are blaming it on Singaporeans not being able to "handle the pressure" now?? This has nothing to do with "pressure". This has everything to do with the lack of meritocracy in the selection of job. Take a good look at yourself, do you think you have three heads and 6 shoulders, and that you are so specially unique and talented that there is nobody here in Singapore who can replace you, to the extent that your company can so graciously wait for you to finish your grad school before they ship you over together with a useless husband of a parasite here to work here? We already just had a case of the Citibank Singapore CEO's job taken over by an Indian originally from India, and that was a good case enough to show. And there you are... trying to pitch it that Singaporeans are not able to manage the pressure. Why don't we go ahead and reverse the situation and tell the Americans to open the floodgate as wide as ours, such that anyone can go into the country where you are in to "compete" with a job with the Americans, and tell them that they are uncompetitive and xenophobic when they refuse to do so??

 

And excuse me... we are not even talking about machines and automation here. So why are you trying to divert the situation again? Machines are not the ones making our lives miserable for now; YOU are.

 

You want to have the last word?? You want to fight for closure?? Go read this post here from Guest Eugene again. I bet there's a good reason for him to write that in immediately after your post. Get lost, you bloody hypocritical moron. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest disclosed yourself]

5 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Seriously, WTF? I was just away for a week or so, and I return to see your post now.

 

So now, you are blaming it on Singaporeans not being able to "handle the pressure" now?? This has nothing to do with "pressure". This has everything to do with the lack of meritocracy in the selection of job. Take a good look at yourself, do you think you have three heads and 6 shoulders, and that you are so specially unique and talented that there is nobody here in Singapore who can replace you, to the extent that your company can so graciously wait for you to finish your grad school before they ship you over together with a useless husband of a parasite here to work here? We already just had a case of the Citibank Singapore CEO's job taken over by an Indian originally from India, and that was a good case enough to show. And there you are... trying to pitch it that Singaporeans are not able to manage the pressure. Why don't we go ahead and reverse the situation and tell the Americans to open the floodgate as wide as ours, such that anyone can go into the country where you are in to "compete" with a job with the Americans, and tell them that they are uncompetitive and xenophobic when they refuse to do so??

 

And excuse me... we are not even talking about machines and automation here. So why are you trying to divert the situation again? Machines are not the ones making our lives miserable for now; YOU are.

 

You want to have the last word?? You want to fight for closure?? Go read this post here from Guest Eugene again. I bet there's a good reason for him to write that in immediately after your post. Get lost, you bloody hypocritical moron. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guest Dirty Auntie  (aka Guest Troll, Guest 脏子姨 alias Guest Guest alias Guest 犯贱冰冰 alias Guest Guest 2 alias Guest anti mosquito detergent, Guest Cleanly Teacher, and most recent Guest Truth) in bad mood today?

 

Look, these words like "moron" we wanted to eradicate from Blowing Wind the same as your permanent ranting against foreigners.

Why do you always think that only Singaporeans are supreme and so on.

 

How many jobs are actually out there for Foreigners running CEO or managing Director jobs in Singapore? Did you ever do a count before you splash your unsupported foreigner bashing nonsense here?

 

If this thread gets moved to the Flaming room than it was only the result of your inappropriate post here.

 

Did you ever mention here how many Singaporeans are sitting on top of the jobs with low efficiency and results?

How do you always draw the conclusion that foreigners on such jobs means bad or discrimination against Singaporeans?

 

I m surprised that you ever believed in that word "Meritocracy". Did you ever see that the most suitable got a job in any function?

Meritocracy is one of the government slogans to shut up the on thinking that not the best suited sit on top of the jobs.

 

We are very frustrated to read day by day your self restricted views where Singaporeans comes always and undoubted as the best and foreigners seem not to have any ability, landed on the jobs unfairly and so on. This is tiring.

 

And it is tiring to see that 90 % of the threads here end up in the Flaming room only because of your ranting and foreigner bashing laced posts.

 

Psssss: you were away for one week. LOL. do you believe this yourself??? or are you afraid that other readers here would assume it is always because of you that most discussions end up in the Flaming Room???

 

 

 

 

 

 

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He toa taua, mate taua; he toa piki pari, mate pari’; he toa ngaki kai, ma te huhu tena.

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

As expected, Guest Disclosed Yourself is back in the thread again. And oh yes, I was away fro a week or so. I guess boboshooting Shelock-Holmes wannabe in you failed miserably again. And by the way. where on earth do you really get so much free time? Are you unemployed? Or do you have so much free time because you are only still studying? Looking at your poor command of English and your lawyer-wannabe attitude, I hope NUS have enough sense to reject you now and forever. In fact, you share so much similarity with that pig-face Jovina Choi, another lawyer-wannabe who claimed that she was kidnapped by the Gojek driver, that I am wondering if the two of you know each other.

 

23 hours ago, Guest disclosed yourself said:

Why do you always think that only Singaporeans are supreme and so on

  

The question should be: Why do YOU always think that only foreigners are supreme and so on? Until now, you are still trying to defend Mikhy Farrera Brochez, who leaked out the HIV information on the internet again and again, with the last time just a couple of weeks ago by posting more names on his Facebook page which were thankfully taken down by Facebook quite quickly. And you can even went so far as to support Steve5360 in his post questioning why paedophile activities are illegal. The problem is with not with us; the problem is with YOU.

 

23 hours ago, Guest disclosed yourself said:

If this thread gets moved to the Flaming room than it was only the result of your inappropriate post here

 

23 hours ago, Guest disclosed yourself said:

And it is tiring to see that 90 % of the threads here end up in the Flaming room only because of your ranting and foreigner bashing laced posts.

 

Ooooo... Don't blame anyone in case that happens. That has been YOUR motive all along. You yourself admitted it last time that you wanted threads to be completely deleted. You were warned to get back to the topic then. But nooooo... you insisted on posting again and again. You even went so far to accuse the Moderator of not deleting off the thread because the Guests are their boyfriends. LOL.... So don't blame anyone else if this thread goes to the Flaming Room.

 

23 hours ago, Guest disclosed yourself said:

We are very frustrated to read day by day your self restricted views where Singaporeans comes always and undoubted as the best and foreigners seem not to have any ability, landed on the jobs unfairly and so on. This is tiring.

 

Who's "We"? You, the foreigners, and your tiny-dick Maoi boyfriend/crush whom you go around prancing In your underwear/drag in public to show your lack of assets?

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

  

The question should be: Why do YOU always think that only foreigners are supreme and so on? Until now, you are still trying to defend Mikhy Farrera Brochez, who leaked out the HIV information on the internet again and again, with the last time just a couple of weeks ago by posting more names on his Facebook page which were thankfully taken down by Facebook quite quickly. And you can even went so far as to support Steve5360 in his post questioning why paedophile activities are illegal. The problem is with not with us; the problem is with YOU.

 

 

You won't find any posts where Steve5360 questions the illegality of pedophile activities.  On the other hand I accept the illegality of pedophile ACTIVITIES.

FANTASIES are everywhere "legal" since they are hidden in our minds.

Only religious dogmas and other scam can outlaw fantasies that are not their own.  And their "outlaw" should be ignored.

 

YOU are the last one who can outlaw fantasies.  

And I, of course, find that pedophile fantasies are something so private that they don't inflict any harm.  

For fantasies, the sky is the limit  

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Edited February 22, 2019 by Steve5380

[Guest Guest]

On 2/7/2019 at 9:59 AM, Guest Wonder Man said:

 

As I said I worked in a bank a couple years back, and not a bank with full banking licence in SG, they have a  backend office with about 3000 staff, more than 95% are from India, thanks to CECA, and at least 15% of the job position stated are managerial and higher. SG don't want these jobs?

 

 

[Guest D M]

My BF was stuck in his hometown during covid. Now he can't return yet because he can't find any job. Can i make him dependent?

[Guest Angry at society]

7 hours ago, Guest D M said:

My BF was stuck in his hometown during covid. Now he can't return yet because he can't find any job. Can i make him dependent?

 

There is no legal right for gays in Singapore. It's all for show. Gay is still worst than a criminal. 

 

At least a straight criminal can apply dependent for his gf. But not for gays. Sorry. 

 

We are nothing. 

[singalion]

21 hours ago, Guest D M said:

My BF was stuck in his hometown during covid. Now he can't return yet because he can't find any job. Can i make him dependent?

 

Depends on your sex skills if you manage to make him dependent on you... 😂