Endgame directors say one of the Marvel movies characters is gay

[jackie]

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Guess who

[Guest marvel]

8 minutes ago, jackie said:

Link below:

 

https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/trending/avengers-endgame-directors-say-one-of-the-marvel-characters-gay-11516594?cid=fbcna&fbclid=IwAR0cyixI-0bu--4DNfT6ze1d-AURdKcYQgUQQBLSBcyvkGBy-RungxfrAw4

 

Guess who

Is "gay" going to be the next popular trends like korean fever? I feel like everyone or company is riding on this trend. like every movie they wanted to instill one gay character to get the popular votes.

[FattChoy]

It's Valkyarie.   Get out from under your rock much?

[Cube3]

3 hours ago, Guest marvel said:

Is "gay" going to be the next popular trends like korean fever? I feel like everyone or company is riding on this trend. like every movie they wanted to instill one gay character to get the popular votes.

 

Just like on Singapore TV minority groups/races are represented, by representing gays in Hollywood movies no one gets marginalised or made invisible. And movies are also less boring (unlike Singapore TV)!

[Guest Anonymous]

I've invested more thought in this than I would've liked but my guesses are:

Most Probably either of below:
1. Captain Marvel
2. Falcon
3. Valkyrie
4. Maria Hill
5. Wong 

50/50
1. Shuri
2. Nebula (Non-humanoid)
3. War Machine
4. Happy
5. Rocket Raccoon (Non-humanoid)
6. Groot (Non-humanoid)
7. Korg (Non-humanoid)
8. Winter Soldier/Bucky
9. M'Baku

Not gay (unless gay = swing both ways)
1. Spiderman - MJ
2. Doctor Strange - Christine
3. Thor - Jane
4. Iron Man - Pepper and numerous others
5. Captain America - Peggy/Sharon Carter
6. Scarlet Witch - Vision
7. Hulk - Black Widow/Betty Ross
8. Hawkeye - Laura
9. Ant-man - Hope
10. Peter Quill - Gamora
11. T'challa - Nakia
12. Okoye - W'Kabi
13. Drax - Mantis?
14. Nick Fury > Captain Marvel?
15. Hank Pym - Janet van Dyne


 

[Guest Anonymous]

I would also like to include

50/50:
10. Loki 
11. Quicksilver/Pietro
12. Cassie Lang
13. Morgan stark
14. Lila Barton

Not gay:
16. Black Widow - Bruce Banner
17. Vision - Scarlet Witch
18. May Parker - Uncle Ben
19. Phil Coulson - The Cellist
 

[Damien6]

It was the director’s cameo character that was gay in endgame and they are planning to have a gay superhero in the eternals movie 

[Xiaoxianrou]

Surely Valkryie is bi.

 

I also think falcon is gay. Who knows, he and winter soldier could be a couple.

 

 

[Guest Try and see]

[Guest Try and see]

It actually won't be the first time a Marvel character is gay.

 

In the X-Men universe, Mystique is lesbian, despite having given birth before (Nightcrawler). 

 

Also, Iceman is gay. And the male twin from Alpha Flight (forgot his name). 

[Steve5380]

LOL!  Today we know that ANYONE can be an homosexual in the closet.  Religious leaders not excluded !

[Guest Cleanly Teacher]

20 hours ago, Xiaoxianrou said:

Surely Valkryie is bi. I also think falcon is gay. Who knows, he and winter soldier could be a couple.

 

As a demi-goddess from Norse mythology, it would make sense for Valkyrie to be bisexual, but there is no way Falcon or War Machine are gay. They aren't gay in the comic books and there is no reason to make them gay in the movies. They can make one or a couple of Black Panther's warriors from Wakanda gay if they want to have a black gay character that badly. I also doubt that Winter Soldier (Bucky Barnes), Captain America's childhood best friend, would be made gay. As a matter of fact, the Soviet crypto experiments done to him during the Cold War would have been more likely to make him completely asexual, if anything.

 

On May 10, 2019 at 3:10 PM, Guest Anonymous said:

I would also like to include
50/50:
10. Loki 
11. Quicksilver/Pietro
12. Cassie Lang
13. Morgan Stark
14. Lila Barton

 

In the comic books, Quicksilver (Pietro Maximoff) is married to Crystal from the Inhumans, so it wouldn't make sense turn him gay in the movies. No comment on Loki, as I could see him being a twisted S&M master, but aren't Cassie, Morgan, and Lila too young to even be thinking about in such a manner?

 

20 hours ago, Guest Try and see said:

It actually won't be the first time a Marvel character is gay. In the X-Men universe, Mystique is lesbian, despite having given birth before (Nightcrawler). Also, Iceman is gay. And the male twin from Alpha Flight (forgot his name).

 

The gay male twin from Alpha Flight is called Northstar (his straight female sister is codenamed Aurora). I hate the Iceman revision, by the way, as it made no sense. He dated all kinds of women for 50 years and then they decide to make him gay, of all characters, just to have a gay X-Man? It's completely annoying. They should have done this with one of the lesser known or newer X-Men instead. I understand the need for diversity and inclusion, but I don't think changing heroes that have been around for decades with clearly and obviously straight histories is the way to represent gays. Creating new characters might be better.

[Guest BoyLove]

Steve and Bucky 

[Guest Anonymous]

 

12 hours ago, Guest Cleanly Teacher said:

 

As a demi-goddess from Norse mythology, it would make sense for Valkyrie to be bisexual, but there is no way Falcon or War Machine are gay. They aren't gay in the comic books and there is no reason to make them gay in the movies. They can make one or a couple of Black Panther's warriors from Wakanda gay if they want to have a black gay character that badly. I also doubt that Winter Soldier (Bucky Barnes), Captain America's childhood best friend, would be made gay. As a matter of fact, the Soviet crypto experiments done to him during the Cold War would have been more likely to make him completely asexual, if anything.

 

 

In the comic books, Quicksilver (Pietro Maximoff) is married to Crystal from the Inhumans, so it wouldn't make sense turn him gay in the movies. No comment on Loki, as I could see him being a twisted S&M master, but aren't Cassie, Morgan, and Lila too young to even be thinking about in such a manner?

 

 

The gay male twin from Alpha Flight is called Northstar (his straight female sister is codenamed Aurora). I hate the Iceman revision, by the way, as it made no sense. He dated all kinds of women for 50 years and then they decide to make him gay, of all characters, just to have a gay X-Man? It's completely annoying. They should have done this with one of the lesser known or newer X-Men instead. I understand the need for diversity and inclusion, but I don't think changing heroes that have been around for decades with clearly and obviously straight histories is the way to represent gays. Creating new characters might be better.

Your logic is flawed, simply because I think you have to recognise that MCU is dfferent from the comics. Sure elements are here and there, but a lot of details are vastly different:  Original Avengers doesnt include capt america, black widow or hawkeye, ironman and banner didnt create ultron, bucky wasn't captain america's childhood friend, scarlet witch and quicksilver didnt get their powers from the tesseract, xmen are around, starlord isn't part celestial, theres no romance between natasha and banner, aunt may is young, antman and wasp were regular-aged janet and hank pym, coulson doesnt exist (he appeared in comics after appearing in movies), and not forgetting so many origin stories are different from the comics in the mcu like captain marvel and spiderman. 

Sure there is absolutely no reason for them to be gay in the MCU if we're basing them off the comics, but there was absolutely no reason for them to be written different from the comics too as the examples above except giving a fresh and compelling narrative. What I've listed above are just evidence there where those that are NOT gay are clearly debunked because they were shown to be in regular specific hetero romantic relationships or pairings. But for the rest, specifically for within the MCU, Falcon could be gay, Valkyrie could be bisexual, Rocket Raccoon could be asexual, M'Baku could practise beastiality and so on and so forth - we won't know till the directors or writers show them on screen with an absolute love interest. 

[tomcat]

there was a scene in the early part of the movie, Capt America was counselling a grief group, and one of the members was saying he was on a date with another guy, trying to pick up the pieces of their lives after the snap, and they were both crying by the time the salad came.

the guy that played this was the director himself, if I read correctly. 

since we are on the marvel movies, and not only Avengers specifically, I think Bobby Drake (Iceman) has been gay for awhile in the comics, and only in the last times we saw him in the movie, he gave a little inkling of being gay.

I think it would be more progressive to have a gay male character. Out of all the recent films, i would say Loki has the biggest inclincation to be bisexual, as he is very hedonistic and chases mischief and his own pleasures.

my personal wish is for Ant Man to be gay  - damn, he is so hot, and his age makes him hotter. 50 years old! 

[Zackling]

well, in super girl, u already have a transgender super hero called Dreamer- Nicole Maines aka Nia Nal. 

 

so naturally someone in the Marvel series has to be gay too.

[Guest Try and see]

On 5/13/2019 at 3:20 PM, tomcat said:

since we are on the marvel movies, and not only Avengers specifically, I think Bobby Drake (Iceman) has been gay for awhile in the comics, and only in the last times we saw him in the movie, he gave a little inkling of being gay.

I think it would be more progressive to have a gay male character. Out of all the recent films, i would say Loki has the biggest inclincation to be bisexual, as he is very hedonistic and chases mischief and his own pleasures.

my personal wish is for Ant Man to be gay  - damn, he is so hot, and his age makes him hotter. 50 years old! 

 

I've always found the Ant Man guy very hot, and I've always assumed he is in his 30s, until I read your post! Wow! For a guy his age, he's very hot indeed!!!

 

 

 

Which parts in the X-Men movies did Iceman appear gay? From what I remember, he was torn between Rogue and Shadowcat. 

 

 

Agree with your analysis of Loki's potential homosexuality!

[tomcat]

15 hours ago, Guest Try and see said:

 

I've always found the Ant Man guy very hot, and I've always assumed he is in his 30s, until I read your post! Wow! For a guy his age, he's very hot indeed!!!

There were a few gratuitous scenes in the two Antman movies, showing off his tight bod. I wonder how hard he needed to train just for those, but I appreciate the effort. He has amazing genes, and is aging very very well. Even with his normal dad bods, Paul Rudd is one of the sexiest, relatable actors around. Chris Pratt is also another one, both are actually first funny, then fat, and now fit, haha.

 

15 hours ago, Guest Try and see said:

Which parts in the X-Men movies did Iceman appear gay? From what I remember, he was torn between Rogue and Shadowcat.

It was always interesting to me how he looked at Pyro. It was different from his interactions with Rogue, which was based in fear. She was afraid of hurting him, he was afraid of what it was like with a girl. And with Shadowcat, it was more like a big brother situation at best.

I know the filmmakers wanted to have this pull between two girls, but the actor also played it with the sensitivity and apprehension of a young guy who is exploring and trying to understand his sexuality. There is also a whole premise in those X-Men films about how being mutant is parallel to being discriminated upon for being gay. (Things have changed in Hollywood, since then!)

With Pyro, it was very emotional looks, longing and sadness. Like, "he become bad liao, sigh..i cannot have him anymore". And plus, is there a clearer indication of a couple than Fire and Ice? Not surprised if there is fanfic out there about these two, sneaking into each others room at the school, jerking each other off after lights out, while they explore each other and their gifts.

Suddenly those longing looks Bobby throws at Pyro are more than just loss of a friend to the dark side. He lost with JO buddy!

And when Iceman's sexuality was made canon in the comics, I was like, "Aha! They must have picked up on something from the films!"




 

Edited May 15, 2019 by tomcat

[Guest Try and see]

8 hours ago, tomcat said:

It was always interesting to me how he looked at Pyro. It was different from his interactions with Rogue, which was based in fear. She was afraid of hurting him, he was afraid of what it was like with a girl. And with Shadowcat, it was more like a big brother situation at best.

I know the filmmakers wanted to have this pull between two girls, but the actor also played it with the sensitivity and apprehension of a young guy who is exploring and trying to understand his sexuality. There is also a whole premise in those X-Men films about how being mutant is parallel to being discriminated upon for being gay. (Things have changed in Hollywood, since then!)

With Pyro, it was very emotional looks, longing and sadness. Like, "he become bad liao, sigh..i cannot have him anymore". And plus, is there a clearer indication of a couple than Fire and Ice? Not surprised if there is fanfic out there about these two, sneaking into each others room at the school, jerking each other off after lights out, while they explore each other and their gifts.

Suddenly those longing looks Bobby throws at Pyro are more than just loss of a friend to the dark side. He lost with JO buddy!

And when Iceman's sexuality was made canon in the comics, I was like, "Aha! They must have picked up on something from the films!"

 

Wow!!! Really love all your analysis and pictures!!!  

 

You know, it's funny you mentioned Pyro & Iceman. Ever since I saw this below scene, I have always fantasised about the two of them!  

The part where Pyro was standing over Iceman and exerting his firepower on him until Iceman becomes solidified in his ice state (Pyro literally made Iceman become hard!) is to me symbolic of Pyro sexually forcing himself on Iceman, and making Iceman get a hard on and eventually getting an orgasm, thus forcing Iceman to come out as gay!

I think I'm the only fan in the world who thinks that way whenever I watch that scene!

 

Although I must admit that I did not notice the longing looks that Iceman gave to Pyro in X3. 

But I did find Pyro hot too! Love his bad boy image. I often think that Pyro is probably the kind of guy who is very naughty and playful in the bedroom!

Really can imagine he and Iceman jerking each other off in the Xavier mansion at night, as you said!!*

Probably Charles Xavier can detect their strong feelings for each other when he is using Cerebro!!

 

 

Btw, just now I Googled Iceman and Pyro to see if they was any gay storyline online - look what I found!

(Iceman is the one on the bed; Pyro is the one in the shower.)

According to online sources, in the comic series, Iceman and Pyro had sex at least four times!!

 

*It's ironic cos the two actresses who played Rogue and Shadowcat are both lesbian in real life.

[tomcat]

14 hours ago, Guest Try and see said:

I often think that Pyro is probably the kind of guy who is very naughty and playful in the bedroom!

Really can imagine he and Iceman jerking each other off in the Xavier mansion at night, as you said!!*

Probably Charles Xavier can detect their strong feelings for each other when he is using Cerebro!!

 

Btw, just now I Googled Iceman and Pyro to see if they was any gay storyline online - look what I found!

(Iceman is the one on the bed; Pyro is the one in the shower.)

According to online sources, in the comic series, Iceman and Pyro had sex at least four times!!

 

*It's ironic cos the two actresses who played Rogue and Shadowcat are both lesbian in real life.

Haha, yea that would be some intense JO and exploration with these two. One tease with cold touch, the other with fire. Better than s&m or japanese porn, lol

Probably all the psychics and empaths in the mansion can detect - I think it was Jean Grey that actually felt it in the comics.

Lately, I also heard some buzz about Iceman hooking up with Banshee? Just something I scrolled through somewhere, but now I can't find it.

 

If so, Iceman totally has a thing for bad boys.

Anna Paquin is bisexual I think - she married her True Blood co-star. But yeah, Ellen Page is totally gay - she acts like a boy since forever, but just that she has a girly doll-like face.

It's a cute combination, haha. 


 

[Guest Professor xXx]

53 minutes ago, tomcat said:

Lately, I also heard some buzz about Iceman hooking up with Banshee? Just something I scrolled through somewhere, but now I can't find it.

 

If so, Iceman totally has a thing for bad boys.

 

Banshee is like a zombie now in the comics, quite unlikely.

[tomcat]

35 minutes ago, Guest Professor xXx said:

 

Banshee is like a zombie now in the comics, quite unlikely.

Really? In which comic universe, do share...I don't follow comics closely anymore so any updates are much appreciated! haha

[Guest Professor xXx]

1 hour ago, tomcat said:

Really? In which comic universe, do share...I don't follow comics closely anymore so any updates are much appreciated! haha

 

Long complicated story, anyway he's brought back to life, not entirely himself, aligned with Hope Summers with the MLF but now back with X-Men.

 

Anyway the comics X-Men are heading for a relaunch (again and again and again) with Jonathan Hickman helming, basically all current X books will end, and 2 mini event series - Powers of X (Pox) and House of X (Hox) will kick start this new reboot. After which new X titles will be released again.

[kratos]

I really it would be a superhero that just so happen to be gay, not a gay person that just happen to be a superhero.

 

Every time they introduce a gay character they have to make it such a big deal. Always about coming out, always about gay this and that. Just slip it in without fanfare and then let the story takes over. Just like what Prometheus did.

[Guest Try and see]

[Guest Cleanly Teacher]

Just because the creators have the right to make any changes to characters as they please doesn't make it proper. Nothing anybody posts can change my feelings about Iceman. He was straight for more than 50 years in the comic books, and dated a never-ending stream of girls, then they suddenly made him gay. It's nonsense, regardless of the Pyro stuff that's above, because the same argument can be made for the dynamic between him and Firestar (Angelica Jones) in the early 1980s cartoon series Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends.

 

As for Falcon (Sam Wilson) and War Machine (James Rhodes), who are both depicted as veterans of the US Military, how would those Armed Forces under the racist and anti-gay Trump/Pence Administration react to the Marvel Cinematic Universe showing two of the most prominent Black characters being gay and in the Military? Hollywood might quickly find themselves wishing they didn't ask and had never told. This stuff cannot be done in a bubble because there are still powerful anti-gay powers in the world and history should matter.

 

I will say again, and I agree with Kratos, that they should be subtle about LGBTQ inclusion in Marvel. Don't make it a big deal to the point that it causes a backlash. You want gay black characters, make them a couple in Black Panther's army from Wakanda who are visible and capable fighters, but not superstars. Heck, I wish the Guardians of the Galaxy could visit a planet where all the aliens prefer same-sex relationships for everyday life and only deal with another gender for reproductive purposes, but share child rearing responsibilities.

 

Loki as gay or bisexual, as posted before, I can easily envision as an evil master who enjoys inflecting S&M torture on his slaves. In fact, I can see plenty of villains as being gay, but I don't think it's a good idea to make too many villains actually be gay, because that would create a mental association between evil and gay among some bigoted fans and critics, which would not be a good thing for the LGBTQ Community. Just having different shades of sexuality, race, and gender included in the stories is the hard part of the battle anyway.

[Guest Guest]

On 5/10/2019 at 10:32 PM, jackie said:

Link below:

 

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Whats the big deal? Yeah!! 1 avenger is gay! Yeah!! We arrived!! Yeah! Fuck you.

[Guest Try and see]

On 5/15/2019 at 10:43 AM, tomcat said:

There were a few gratuitous scenes in the two Antman movies, showing off his tight bod. I wonder how hard he needed to train just for those, but I appreciate the effort. He has amazing genes, and is aging very very well. Even with his normal dad bods, Paul Rudd is one of the sexiest, relatable actors around.

 

I didn't realise that once upon a time, Ant-Man dated and married Phoebe from Friends!

 

 

[Guest Blank]

X-men itself is the original manifestation of gay fighting for survival and discrimination against straight

 

Mystique said, "Mutant and proud" which could be interpreted as "Gay and proud"

 

[Guest Echo]

29 minutes ago, Guest Blank said:

X-men itself is the original manifestation of gay fighting for survival and discrimination against straight

 

Mystique said, "Mutant and proud" which could be interpreted as "Gay and proud"

 

I echo that. Exactly my thinking. But I may not be proud. Just accepted. Be who I am. So this would be more accurate for me : gay and been ploughed

[Guest Encick]

That would be Dra

[Guest Manis]

It is Loki