Lee Hsien Yang’s 2nd son, Li Huanwu, marries boyfriend in South Africa

[Guest Wedding Singer]

The grandson of Lee Kuan Yew and second son of Lee Hsien Yang, Li Huanwu, has married his boyfriend Heng Yirui in South Africa.

 

https://mothership.sg/2019/05/li-huanwu-marries-boyfriend-south-africa/

[lovehandle]

Congrats to him

[Ben Ben Ben]

So sweet 

[Guest Happy For Them]

Wonder if any of their parents were present to support them / witness the ceremony ... 

[Sh3rlock]

I am so chuffed for them both  May they be blessed! 

[Ken1994]

Yeah congratz 

[cuddlelover71]

dis cute

[shyc]

Congrats to both parties. Hope they have a blissful life together and that the rest of the world will leave them alone to enjoy their moments.

[Guest Love]

Behind the scene I am sure his dad or possibly his grand dad knew his oeirntation long before he came out publicly. He is a good example of a brave soul despite being the grandson of lky.  We hope to see them at pinkdot to congratulate the couple.

[Guest Guest]

Surprisingly South Africa is very open to legalise same sex marriage. Great!

[FattChoy]

No tea ceremony pics to the parents?  Wish they bear children quick.

[fab]

1 hour ago, FattChoy said:

No tea ceremony pics to the parents?  Wish they bear children quick.

 

It is better not to have children.

 

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Surprisingly South Africa is very open to legalise same sex marriage. Great!

 

South Africa is governed by the white.

[Steve5380]

45 minutes ago, fab said:

 

It is better not to have children.

 

 

South Africa is governed by the white.

 

So is Singapore.

[bigdanbeam]

41 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

So is Singapore.

Same same but different 

[Steve5380]

Just now, bigdanbeam said:

Same same but different 

 

Thank you for not blowing up in my face that the SG government is Asian, not "the white".

 

I hope I don't offend anyone by finding that in matter of color Asians and "the white" are not much different.  Same with Hispanics.  For me they are all White.

Caucasians and Asians mix well together, as evidenced by attractive Eurasians.

AND... a government is not only color but culture as well.  And Asian and White cultures are becoming ever closer.

More McDonald's,  more electronics, more fashions, more middle-class, more Christianity... 

 

[Guest Think]

6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Surprisingly South Africa is very open to legalise same sex marriage. Great!

Silly reply.  You can get married in place where marriage is legal on paper, but ceremonial can be done anywhere you wish.  Didn't Tony Leung and Carina Lau chose Bhutan as their ceremonial location?

[Guest Fatty]

Did his uncle and aunt attend the wedding?

[fab]

4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

So is Singapore.

 

Lol.

 

Different types of white. Silly boy.

 

3 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Thank you for not blowing up in my face that the SG government is Asian, not "the white".

 

I hope I don't offend anyone by finding that in matter of color Asians and "the white" are not much different.  Same with Hispanics.  For me they are all White.

Caucasians and Asians mix well together, as evidenced by attractive Eurasians.

AND... a government is not only color but culture as well.  And Asian and White cultures are becoming ever closer.

More McDonald's,  more electronics, more fashions, more middle-class, more Christianity... 

 

 

Actually most Orientals do not have a problem with color labels. We proudly address ourselves as Yellow descendants.

 

Personally I consider Asians a meaningless classification. It encompasses about 60% of the world population. And there are at least 3 different major groups of colors namely yellow, light brown and dark brown.

 

[lean n mean]

I m so glad the nephew of our prime minister chose to be out and proud. It does help reduce fear and instil confidence for some. 

[Guest Try and see]

 

[Guest Guest]

So what if they get themselves naked over there in South Africa? Well it hasn't them legal status anywhere else? And since they are not even South African citizens, do they even get any recognition there in South Africa at all? 

[groyn88]

https://the-singapore-lgbt-encyclopaedia.wikia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Singapore?fbclid=IwAR0cyeFUW2qm6-LMGx6tNInTYjGMIH6g76dWanl8PYiU_oOdBXdzUgFQqTY

Same-sex marriage in Singapore

It is perhaps premature to talk about legalising same-sex marriage in Singapore when, at a more basic level, Section 377A of the Penal Code still criminalises sex between men.

However, the fact that male homosexual sex remains punishable by a prison term of up to two years, even though the Government has pledged not to enforce the law, has not prevented gay Singaporeans from forging stable long-term relationships and from living together as committed couples.

Overseas civil unions

See also Archive of The Telegraph article, "Births, deaths and the first civil partnership", 6 December 2005

See also Archive of TODAY article, "Singaporean man among first in gay union", 12 December 2005

Photo credit: The Telegraph.

Before same-sex marriage gained legal recognition in as many countries as they have today, civil unions were the interim arrangement instituted in these nations. The first Singaporean on record to enter into a civil union overseas was Malay-Muslim computer executive Ghani Jantan, son of Mr and Mrs A Jantan of Pasir Panjang, Singapore, who registered a partnership with former cavalry officer John Walker, a British citizen from Stockbridge, Hampshire[2],[3]. They created history in more ways than one - not only were they part of the first wave to take advantage of the UK's new civil partnership law but they were also the first couple to record the fact in the print version of The Telegraph and The Times in early December 2005, accompanied by a colour photograph of the happy couple. They converted their civil union into a full fledged marriage when legislation to allow same-sex marriage in England and Wales was passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom in July 2013 and came into force on 13 March 2014.

Since then, many gay Singaporean couples have followed suit and registered their own civil unions in foreign jurisdictions or have even gotten married to their partners in countries like Canada and the USA where gay marriage has been legalised([2]):

The Wellington Civil Union of David and Zhong Yi - A celebration of Love and commitment

 

Others celebrate their loving relationships in Singapore via videos posted on YouTube.

Gay wedding ceremonies

Even though gay marriage is not yet legal, holding gay weddings is perfectly legitimate in Singapore, unlike the case with Vietnam where it was illegal until as recent as 2014. However, the "marriages" that the wedding ceremonies or dinners celebrate cannot be registered with the Registry of Marriages and are therefore not legally recognised.

There is much less discrimination against lesbian relationships, especially after lesbian sex was decriminalised during the Penal Code review in 2007 when the former Section 377, which criminalised "carnal intercourse against the order of nature" (theoretically including penetrative lesbian sex) was repealed.

Therefore, if there is a push by LGBT activists to legalise gay marriage in Singapore, it may be spearheaded by lesbian couples serving as role models as there is much less mainstream resistance against their relationships. However, the overseas Singaporean same-sex marriages that have been reported in the mainstream and alternative media so far have mainly featured male couples.

IPS survey

The results of a survey conducted by the Institute of Policy Studies (IPS) and published in early 2014 showed that although "78.2% (of respondents) felt ...sexual relations between two adults of the same sex (was always or almost always wrong)", "When it came to adoption of a child by a gay couple, respondents who found it always or almost always wrong fell to 61.1%, 72.9% found gay marriage always or in certain cases wrong, and 15.7% thought it was not."[2] That is, fewer Singaporeans found gay marriage and child adoption wrong as compared to gay sex.

Ivan Heng marries Tony Trickett in London

Photo credit: Ivan Heng on Facebook.

Cultural Medallion recipient, theatre doyen Ivan Heng, then 50 and the founding artistic director of home-grown theatre company Wild Rice, married his long-time partner Tony Trickett, then 57 and Wild Rice's executive director, in a ceremony in London on Friday, 1 August 2014. They tied the knot at the Chelsea Old Town Hall on the 18th anniversary of the day they met and fell in love. According to Heng, it was a perfect British summer's day, memorable in every way. The couple were very moved and overwhelmed by the messages of love and congratulations from everyone. After the wedding, they headed to Tuscany in Italy for a few days of holiday.
Heng announced the news in a lengthy Facebook post entitled, "I am a Happily Married Man"[3]:

"On being awarded the Cultural Medallion, Singapore’s highest national award for culture and the arts, a journalist asked me whether she could use the term “openly gay” to describe me. A little stunned, I asked her what my sexual orientation had to do with the award. She explained that as the two other winners were married, she felt it necessary to inform the readers about my marital “status”, or something equivalent.

 

I paused, not quite knowing what to say. And then asked her if she would use the term “openly straight” to describe them. The irony was not lost on her, and we had a giggle. I told her she could write that I shared my life and work with Tony, my partner of seventeen years.

When I finally accepted the award at the Istana, I ended my speech by thanking Tony publicly, and I might add, to great applause. The article regarding the ceremony made the front page of the Straits Times the following day. But whilst my fellow winners’ spouses were mentioned in glowing terms, Tony was conspicuously absent. This lack of any acknowledgement hurt.

I’ve always liked the idea of marriage. I cry at weddings because there is something beautiful and romantic about finding someone, falling in love, and wanting to give each other the world. Forever. I imagined it’d be bliss to come home to a best friend at the end of a day’s work, to have dinner, or take evening strolls with. It would be wonderful to always have someone in my corner, a constant companion with whom I could just be myself, and to grow old with. But when I was growing up, I had little to look up to. There were no positive gay roles models, and neither were there any gay television programmes, books or films with happy endings. So I dared not entertain the hope that marriage could happen for me.

In the summer of 1996, I met Tony at the “Brief Encounter”,a gay bar in London’s West End. I was meant to be at another party that evening, but my hot date ran out of battery on his mobile phone, and I did not own one. So my intended tryst was scuppered, and I needed a drink. It was “Disco Thursday”, and the place was heaving with an after-work crowd. As is always the case with gay bars, everyone was trying and never completely succeeding to be butch and cool. But when Barbra Streisand and Donna Summer’s “Enough is Enough” came on, the make-shift dance floor went wild and everyone started a sing-a-long. I found myself mouthing the words with a casual insouciance - one tries to look as if you’re enjoying yourself, but not too much.

And then I saw Tony, looking very handsome in his pinstriped suit, not a strand of his salt and pepper hair out of place and the kindest, most beautiful blue eyes. He too was singing. “I always dreamed I’d find the perfect lover, but he turned out to be like any other man…”. We caught each other lip-synching across the crowded room, and laughed. And then, we proceeded to sing the entire anthem to each other. “Enough is enough, is enough, is enough…IS ENOUGH!!” We keeled over laughing. Sharing a sense of humour was a good place to start. When we finally recovered and spoke to each other, something clicked. That night, all our cares melted away and the world disappeared. We fell in love.

Six weeks later, on a moonlit street in London, Tony went down on bended knee and asked me to marry him. I remember being at once alarmed and moved. Given the improbability of such a union, and preferring to be romanced by chocolates, flowers and champagne, I declined. He persisted, gallantly getting down on both knees, and I agreed for us to be “boyfriends”. Needless to say, our encounter has been more than brief.

Within three months of knowing each other, we moved in together. And one year later, in 1997, we moved to Singapore. It is a place we have grown to love very much, and that we call home.

When marriage equality became real in the United Kingdom this year, Tony and I decided to get married. We envisaged an intimate, private ceremony with our families and our close friends. It would be an occasion to celebrate and affirm our commitment to each other as a couple. We chose the 1stof August 2014 for our nuptials to mark our 18th anniversary together. Homophonically, pun fully intended, 1-8-1-8 is auspicious in Chinese. A little luck is needed on all great adventures.

Yesterday, at the Chelsea Old Town Hall in London, we avowed our love. With our nephew as our ring bearer, our siblings as witnesses, our family and our closest friends, we exchanged rings and made a promise to love and cherish each other to the end of our days. It was well and truly one of the happiest days of our lives.

We never meant for our marriage to be a political statement or an act of activism. Notwithstanding that, I have come to terms with the fact that as a public figure, one’s personal joy sometimes becomes political.

Even as the LGBT community in Singapore struggles for equality and acceptance, there have been there have been many incidents that have vilified us in recent days. These have ranged from the religious fundamentalists’ declaration of war on the community and a widespread and systematic campaign of hate to keep S377a on the law books, the attempt to undermine the Health Promotion Board’s guidelines, and the Wear Red and/or White Movement. In fits of moral panic,the MDA banned Ah Mei’s “Rainbow”, and the National Library Board shelved children’s books to its adult collection.

It is easy to see that all of this stems from the presence of S377a, which is in effect state-sanctioned bigotry. The verdict is still out on the constitutional challenge to this archaic law that discriminates against a vulnerable segment of our society. But as it stands, neither the judiciary nor legislature seems to have the moral courage to repeal it. Between Goh Chok Tong’s, “We are born this way and they are born that way but they are like you and me” to Lee Hsien Loong’s “Why is the law on the books? Because it’s always been there and we should just keep it there.” - we really have regressed, even as the world is waking up to the fact that LGBT rights are human rights.

In spite everything, we remain hopeful.

Pink Dot continues to grow in size and meaning, proudly signaling a wish for a more fair and just society. The way we progress, how we regard human rights in our society,is always driven by the young, who are not married to the prejudices of the past. My personal interactions with young people, not least my dear nephews and nieces and indeed all the beautiful children at our wedding, give me hope for the future, and a distinct sense that time and history are on our side. In the bigger scheme, Singapore is showing signs of maturing as a society. Our citizens, both straight and gay, recognise inequality, prejudice and hate-speech when we see it, and are now more ready than ever to call it out. We are finally beginning to have the important conversations that go to the heart of living in a true democracy. Because truly, if we want to talk about our core values and community standards, these surely must include notions such as tolerance, inclusivity and diversity. I trust we will come to understand that this has as much to do with the protection of the rights of a minority, as it is about the will of the majority. The LGBT community is not going to go away or disappear. So the sooner everyone gets over it, the happier everyone will be, and we can get on with more pressing matters. Enough is enough.

And Singapore is changing. We were a little nervous about telling anyone outside our close circle of family and friends about our nuptials. In getting ready for our Big Day, we had to find and buy our wedding rings, tailor our outfits, get advice for our wedding cake, get our invitations and programmes printed. We had to “come out” again and again to complete strangers. But in our experience, these ordinary Singaporeans were nothing but kind and genuinely happy for us, unabashed in their congratulations and best wishes, offering to help us in any way possible.

This experience has affirmed our belief that the most important thing anyone can do as a human being, straight or gay, is to be true to oneself. We are so much happier if we can all be proud of whom we are, how we feel, whom we love. Our marriage is a declaration our love, and we invite the world to share in our joy. We are deeply grateful for our wonderful family and our amazing friends, whose love and support has been a great encouragement and inspiration to us through the years.

In closing, I would like to report that your fellow Singaporean, Ivan Heng is now “openly married”.

 

Photo credit: The Straits Times.

Media censorship

A 1,700 word Valentine's Day feature article entitled "Singapore’s art power couples on the secrets to their success" published by Today newspaper on Friday, 12 February 2016, mentioned 4 heterosexual couples who worked alongside each other in performance and visual arts in the opening paragraphs and featured interviews with 3 other straight couples in the arts scene in Singapore.

However, it conspicuously omitted the gay, married, celebrity couple of Ivan Heng and Tony Trickett. In a Facebook post, Heng wrote on Saturday, 13 February 2016, that they had agreed to be part of the feature and was interviewed by journalist Mayo Martin.

"We’ve been informed that the section featuring me and Tony was pulled at the last minute by the higher editors because “it didn’t fit with the rest of the profiles throughout the couples series of stories.” We note that we were not even mentioned in the list of couples running theatre companies in the opening paragraphs." Heng asked, ‘What could this mean? Would the higher editors care to identify themselves and explain their decision?’

Lesbian couple's wedding celebrations supported by family

On 9 April 2018, LGBT website Dear Straight People featured the story of Gillyn and Jolyn who managed to get married openly in Singapore with the full support of their family and extended relatives[5]. Their wedding celebrations ran the full gamut from the traditional morning gatecrash and tea ceremonies to the sumptuous wedding banquet[6].

 

COMING OUT STORY- LESBIANS WHO GOT MARRIED IN SINGAPORE

First positive media report of Singaporean gay marriage

The first Singaporean gay marriage which was reported positively and given detailed coverage in the mainstream media was that of actor-singer Caleb Goh and his partner who declined to be named for the Yahoo! News article[11]. They got hitched on 16 December 2018 in the historic Presidio Park in San Diego, California.

Goh, who is based in the United States, posted photos of the wedding ceremony and reception on Twitter for the first time on Wednesday, 7 March 2018.

The then 40-year old was a familiar face in TV, film and stage productions in Singapore before he left for the US in 2002 to further his education and career. He starred in local films like Forever Fever and The Teenage Textbook Movie, and musicals such as Mr Beng. He also appeared in local television shows such as Masters of the Sea and Growing Up.

Goh said that he met his husband in Singapore while performing in a play called Asian Boys for W!ld Rice. His husband-to-be was in the audience and after the show, he walked out of the dressing room and introduced himself to him. Before they knew it, five years had gone by. Goh's husband moved to California to pursue his studies and is currently a research analyst. Goh had spent the last 16 years in California so his husband pretty much moved to start their lives together in the US.

Although Goh had worked and lived primarily in the United States for 11 years, he returned to Singapore in the few years prior to 2018 to act in productions including Jack and the Bean Sprout and Rising Son. He was also a lecturer in musical theatre at LASALLE College of the Arts from 2013 to 2015. Goh was the first person from Singapore to receive a doctorate in musical theatre and is currently a drama programme director at St Margaret’s Episcopal School in Orange County in California.

Li Huanwu marries Heng Yirui in South Africa

The couple in matching white shirts and khaki trousers at a game reserve in Cape Town. Photo credit: Heng Yirui on Instagram.

Barely one week after Taiwan made history on 17 May 2019 when it became the first jurisdiction in Asia to legalise gay marriage[12], Li Huanwu, the grandson of the late Singapore prime minister Lee Kuan Yew, married his long-time male partner in an intimate ceremony on Friday, 24 May 2019 in South Africa where same-sex marriage was legalised in 2006. The immediate families of both grooms attended the wedding[13],[14].

“Today I marry my soul mate. Looking forward to a lifetime of moments like this with (Huanwu),” wrote Heng Yirui, Li’s partner, on his personal Instagram account in a post from Cape Town on the evening of Friday, 24 May 2019.

Heng is a veterinarian while Li is the vice-president of a tech company and the second son of Lee Hsien Yang, who is the younger brother of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. Lee Hsien Yang said, “I believe my father would have been thrilled to know this.” (see main article: Lee Kuan Yew's views on homosexuality).

The couple also sent photos of their wedding to Pink Dot Singapore, who posted them on its Instagram page.

“Today would have been unimaginable to us growing up. We are overjoyed to share this occasion in the glowing company of friends and family,” they said in a statement to Pink Dot Singapore.

The immediate families of both grooms attended the wedding, including Li Huanwu's father Lee Hsien Yang, mother Lee Suet Fern, elder brother Li Shengwu and younger brother Li Shaowu[1]. Photo credit: Li Huanwu.

Li had gone public about his partner more than a year before the wedding. In July 2018, he and Heng appeared in an LGBT-themed photography exhibition called Out In Singapore which aimed to foster acceptance and support for LGBTQ persons who wished to come out to family, friends and peers in the community. The couple could be seen with their arms around each other in one of the portraits. Both had also attended Pink Dot at Hong Lim Park since 2017.

Alternative media sites in Singapore, including Mothership and The Independent, were quick to pick up on the announcement while mainstream media outlets steered clear of reporting it. Mothership’s Facebook post attracted 1,700 likes and 400 comments, mostly positive and congratulating the pair. One user, Donna Lim, commented: “Congrats! Love has no boundaries.”

In mainland China, multiple posts of Li’s wedding surfaced on social media app WeChat, which have garnered hundreds of likes and comments as of Saturday afternoon, 25 May 2019. A few reacted with disdain but many of the Chinese commentators also congratulated the couple, with some hoping that Li would front the fight for gay rights in Singapore.

Edited May 28, 2019 by groyn88

[LeanMature]

12 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

So is Singapore.

 

yah, "Men in white".

[FattChoy]

I'll never understand gay men who wants to get married.  

[Guest Gay men]

56 minutes ago, FattChoy said:

I'll never understand gay men who wants to get married.  

Than try to understand.  Was it so difficult  to ask?

[Steve5380]

8 hours ago, fab said:

 

Lol.

 

Different types of white. Silly boy.

 

 

Actually most Orientals do not have a problem with color labels. We proudly address ourselves as Yellow descendants.

 

Personally I consider Asians a meaningless classification. It encompasses about 60% of the world population. And there are at least 3 different major groups of colors namely yellow, light brown and dark brown.

 

 

Marco Polo called the Chinese "white".  Thereafter they start becoming more yellowish, and it wasn't a compliment.  You should prefer the "white".  See in:

 

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/753623.html

 

Actually,  "Asians" is an unambiguous classification:   those who live in Asia  

[fab]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Actually,  "Asians" is an unambiguous classification:   those who live in Asia  

 

Isn't it meaningless to group 60% of earthling as 1 classification and the rest of 40% into 3 or 4 groups?

 

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Marco Polo called the Chinese "white".  Thereafter they start becoming more yellowish, and it wasn't a compliment.  You should prefer the "white".  See in:

 

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/753623.html

 

 

Personally IMO Oriental is creamy while Caucasian is pinkish white.

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, fab said:

 

Isn't it meaningless to group 60% of earthling as 1 classification and the rest of 40% into 3 or 4 groups?

 

 

No.  Classifications are what they are.

Don't we have 80% of earthling classified as heterosexual, and the remaining 20% or so are gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, queers ?

.

Edited May 25, 2019 by Steve5380

[Guest not mean]

I sense true love in the couple.

 

Heng is one head shorter than Li but Li doesn't mind. Some people in our circle too short also like, too tall also don't like.

 

With Li''s looks and wealth, he can find a someone more comparable. Yet he only likes Heng and they look so sweet together in the photos on IG.

 

Curious how they met each other. Grindr maybe 

 

 

[Guest Profession]

48 minutes ago, Guest not mean said:

I sense true love in the couple.

 

Heng is one head shorter than Li but Li doesn't mind. Some people in our circle too short also like, too tall also don't like.

 

With Li''s looks and wealth, he can find a someone more comparable. Yet he only likes Heng and they look so sweet together in the photos on IG.

 

Curious how they met each other. Grindr maybe 

 

 

What is Li's profession? Is he really wealthy? In my opinion, Li's look is average but he is tall. Heng might be shorter but in term of look Heng look more manly n sometimes cute too. I like Heng's look better.

[Steve5380]

7 minutes ago, Guest Profession said:

What is Li's profession? Is he really wealthy? In my opinion, Li's look is average but he is tall. Heng might be shorter but in term of look Heng look more manly n sometimes cute too. I like Heng's look better.

 

Too late, too bad.  Heng is married already.

Please respect Moses' commandment: "Thou shall not covet your neighbor's wife"

[Guest Proffesion]

2 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Too late, too bad.  Heng is married already.

Please respect Moses' commandment: "Thou shall not covet your neighbor's wife"

Just admiration n in response to why with Li's look n wealth he can choose a comparable one. I guess beauty is in d eye of the beholder. Cause in my eyes, Heng is more handsome than Li. Especialy his pic wearing spec n holding d dog. So cute.

 

[FattChoy]

I'd prefer Heng too.  Not a fan of prawns.

[Steve5380]

52 minutes ago, FattChoy said:

I'd prefer Heng too.  Not a fan of prawns.

 

Well... none in the whole family Lee would make it as a model of male beauty.  They are ordinary people, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[Guest Guest]

39 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Well... none in the whole family Lee would make it as a model of male beauty.  They are ordinary people, and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

Excuse me, but there is nothing ordinary about this family, especially the Lee family. They are endowed with countless privileges, and they even have direct access to the Attorney General Chambers to sue the living crap out of ordinary people such as Roy Ngerng.   

[auri]

Congratulations to them!

 

And I just love love love that Heng Yirui is so much shorter than Li Huanwu

 

Ha ha.... there is hope for shorties like me

[fab]

Li huanwu is courageous given the  amount of pressure  he has to face.

 

I wonder their heights though.

[Steve5380]

6 minutes ago, auri said:

 

Ha ha.... there is hope for shorties like me

 

Look at how much shorter Putin is than Donald Trump, and how much smarter he is 

 

[Guest guest]

1 hour ago, fab said:

Li huanwu is courageous given the  amount of pressure  he has to face.

 

I wonder their heights though.

 

I think most people eventually fall in love with the person and the face and smile reflects what is in the heart, 

 

The Heng guy has a smile that is happy and reflect happiness.

 

Besides, if the plumbing parts fit snugly and every night there is fireworks and musical fountains light show, and volcano eruptions , 

 

I think slowly height and body length fades into the background.

 

Remember if the body plumbings fit snugly, hell , it works.

[Guest Guest]

I like the pictures here better .... 

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3011806/li-huanwu-grandson-singapore-founding-father-lee-kuan-yew

 

Yirui is quite cute (albeit a bit short ... no problem)! 

[alien]

Congratulations to them.

[fab]

5 hours ago, Guest guest said:

 

I think most people eventually fall in love with the person and the face and smile reflects what is in the heart, 

 

The Heng guy has a smile that is happy and reflect happiness.

 

Besides, if the plumbing parts fit snugly and every night there is fireworks and musical fountains light show, and volcano eruptions , 

 

I think slowly height and body length fades into the background.

 

Remember if the body plumbings fit snugly, hell , it works.

 

Looks is subjective. I prefer naturallooks over those plastic or steroid face.

 

Moreover some people are not shallow to go for appearance only. 

[koolkai]

Congratulations to both of them! They are such a lovely couple to tie the knot!

[Guest Am I right?]

16 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

No.  Classifications are what they are.

Don't we have 80% of earthling classified as heterosexual, and the remaining 20% or so are gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, queers ?

.

Wrong!!! 

 

Since the beginning of time (few hundred thousands years ago) somewhere in Africa where  first group of human was first discovered.  They were called:

 

HOMOsapien.

 

We the HOMO, was an un-disputed origin, from the very origin of time. Man-n-man sex only.   Heterosexual doesn't even exist yet until it happens through trial and error by bi-sexual people having sex with woman.  In those day, it was called fetish, foul play and anyhow sex with the opposite sex resulted in over-population to pollute an otherwise very peaceful and clean earth.

 

I hated self-entitled HETEROSEXUAL people without regard to their origin - THE HOMO.

 

 

 

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Guest Am I right? said:

Wrong!!! 

 

Since the beginning of time (few hundred thousands years ago) somewhere in Africa where  first group of human was first discovered.  They were called:

 

HOMOsapien.

 

We the HOMO, was an un-disputed origin, from the very origin of time. Man-n-man sex only.   Heterosexual doesn't even exist yet until it happens through trial and error by bi-sexual people having sex with woman.  In those day, it was called fetish, foul play and anyhow sex with the opposite sex resulted in over-population to pollute an otherwise very peaceful and clean earth.

 

I hated self-entitled HETEROSEXUAL people without regard to their origin - THE HOMO.

 

 

Oh,  sorry,  my wrong!   Of course they were all HOMO  and reproduced through cloning!

 

This is also why in respect to the Creator who made the HOMO,  Jesus had only homo disciples and his church up to this day only accepts homo ministers.

HETEROs have taken over the HOMO!  Let's fight back, and eliminate overpopulation.

[Guest Pinkdotsupporter]

Li Huan wu can be our pink dot ambassador! He’s so hot

[Guest Tony Chen]

Notice that things like that (going to exotic places to marry, having glam / hyped up weddings) are for the privileged . With money you can go anywhere (almost) and have the gayest wedding you want. Rich people with connections also have the ready option to move or migrate when they feel dissatisfaction wherever they reside. This is my opinion & true to a general level. (For those devils advocates who need to retort “but” and “not really”, no need for that here on this thread, thanks)

Congrats to them. 

 

[Steve5380]

50 minutes ago, Guest Tony Chen said:

Notice that things like that (going to exotic places to marry, having glam / hyped up weddings) are for the privileged . With money you can go anywhere (almost) and have the gayest wedding you want. Rich people with connections also have the ready option to move or migrate when they feel dissatisfaction wherever they reside.

 

Yes, this is absolutely true, and has always been.  Nothing new.

 

The essence of this issue may not be the glamour of the wedding in an exotic place,  but the fact that the grandchild of the "founder" of a nation that is currently criminalizing gay sex .... is gay and has married another gay!   (away from his native country, of course)

 

And you are right in that he did so with the wealth started by the "founder",  against his nation's laws,  while leaving other  less wealthy gays stuck in the mud behind.  Maybe the right thing for him to do would have been to come out and fight for same-sex marriage in his own country, and do so when it is legalized!

[Guest Profession]

6 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Yes, this is absolutely true, and has always been.  Nothing new.

 

The essence of this issue may not be the glamour of the wedding in an exotic place,  but the fact that the grandchild of the "founder" of a nation that is currently criminalizing gay sex .... is gay and has married another gay!   (away from his native country, of course)

 

And you are right in that he did so with the wealth started by the "founder",  against his nation's laws,  while leaving other  less wealthy gays stuck in the mud behind.  Maybe the right thing for him to do would have been to come out and fight for same-sex marriage in his own country, and do so when it is legalized!

But what is Li's profession? He might be able to get the best education but without his own capabilities he wont go far. Did their grandchildren receive some sort of allowance every month from their families even after reaching adulthood? The reason why they grandfather wanted his grandchildren to have diff surname is to let them strike on they own without using their connection with their grandfather. 

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Guest Profession said:

But what is Li's profession? He might be able to get the best education but without his own capabilities he wont go far. Did their grandchildren receive some sort of allowance every month from their families even after reaching adulthood? The reason why they grandfather wanted his grandchildren to have diff surname is to let them strike on they own without using their connection with their grandfather. 

 

I have no quarrels with LHW but I'd speak in general on your statement saying that "people might be able to get the best education but without his own capabilities he wont go far", especially in the context of the privileged and those who are not. People who are privileged can leverage on their connections to rise from ranks to ranks, and even any serious faults (and maybe even criminal activities) from them can be hushed up and swept under the carpets with the proper influence and cajoling, and any minor accomplishments from them are sung with praises. Meritocracy is nothing more than a mirage here in Singapore, while cronyism and nepotism lay thick and heavy and real under the prestine covers. People can change their names and even their surnames, but the moment people know that you are connected to someone important, they will give you all kinds of special additional treatments or privileges, just so that they can leech on you for future benefits. So in a sense, a privileged life is almost like a snowball, gathering more privileges as it rolls down the hill. But sooner or later, it will breakdown and collapse if not handled properly.