Nowadays, do homophobics still exist because we let them be?

[FattChoy]

4 hours ago, BlinkOnce said:

It has been revealed here and there that he thinks I'm too young, hence a bad fit for the role.

 

 

 

 

You're doing OK ya.   Just don't feed the troll.

[LeanMature]

If there is anything to improve in this site, then it is removing Guest Account, especially when the Anti-fake news law in Singapore already come into effect.  

[Guest Guest]

8 hours ago, Grahf said:

 

I digress. You sound like someone who expects moderators to come into a thread as a Confucius-like figure and say something that puts a smile on everyone's faces, alas, that's next to impossible. What is good for you may not be good for me. Let's not forget that there's a person behind that moderator account too, and he is entitled to his opinions just as anyone is. And so does he act with his own set of morals (which obviously should coincide with the conduct gudelines, i mean he was handpicked by the moderating team and all...). Much like you choosing not to partake in this discussion—by no means a wrong decision, he has decided it is beneficial to share his thoughts. All fine and dandy, IMO.

 

Which sort of answers the title question. It's impossible to entirely eradicate a perspective, unless we stop being human.

 

(I am not the worry Guest. Haha, this shall be my tag)

 

I like this post.  Yes, I digress too.

 

This thread is good for discussion.  Unfortunately, just because it is initiated by a mod and to double the unfortunate, a new young mod, the role of the mod gets fired.  

 

So what is the actual role of BW mods?  Cos I also see other mods initiating threads, participating in threads, playing games in thread?

 

 

[Guest Guest]

8 hours ago, BlinkOnce said:

You seem to only read my replies selectively, i.e. those that don't disable your attacks. 

A Mod's job is not to uphold justice. A Mod's job is to keep the forum lively.

First time it was brought up, I explained it.

Although you seem to follow this thread very carefully to nitpick on my words, somehow you missed out on a particular reply.

I take this chance to kindly reiterate my job scope.

Your analogy of Mod's job scope to those of police and judge is therefore considered a bad one.

 

 

 

(I am not the worry Guest)

 

Well said!  It is just a forum and it is a place where no definite BW rules are legit in the eyes of the proper law.  The rules here are just guidelines (as highlighted and pinned on the main folder).

 

Why then is the role of mod here is of a police, of a judge and of a country?

[Guest mac]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

(I am not the worry Guest. Haha, this shall be my tag)

 

I like this post.  Yes, I digress too.

 

This thread is good for discussion.  Unfortunately, just because it is initiated by a mod and to double the unfortunate, a new young mod, the role of the mod gets fired.  

 

So what is the actual role of BW mods?  Cos I also see other mods initiating threads, participating in threads, playing games in thread?

 

 

 

Ya. Like mods initiated gay sauna thread, psychology thread, death thread, cock thread and many more?

 

Are they have to be responsible for all the social setbacks promoting such topic?

[Grahf]

14 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

So, can judges and policemen act out his own set of morals? And in the case when their own set of morals do not coincide with the guidelines, who judges the judges, who police the policemen? It is always convenient to think that people are of a "qualified caliber" simply because they were "handpicked" by another "qualified" team. But time and again in the history of Singapore, this has been proven to be false. 

 

If the shoes doesn't fit and/or the caps are too big, then don't wear them.

 

They are law enforcers, and there's a fine line between enforcement and moderation. If you can't tell the difference then there's little for us to talk about. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Though I believe the fundament is the same, which is to help people. Pretty sure some good guy is gonna catch those bad asses.

 

[BlinkOnce]

45 minutes ago, Grahf said:

 

They are law enforcers, and there's a fine line between enforcement and moderation. If you can't tell the difference then there's little for us to talk about. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Though I believe the fundament is the same, which is to help people. Pretty sure some good guy is gonna catch those bad asses.

 

Sorry I digress but I feel honored to see that your first 2 posts during your 3 years with BW are in my thread. Hope to see more from you in the near future

[Steve5380]

23 hours ago, Grahf said:

 

They are law enforcers, and there's a fine line between enforcement and moderation. If you can't tell the difference then there's little for us to talk about. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Though I believe the fundament is the same, which is to help people. Pretty sure some good guy is gonna catch those bad asses.

 

 

If the fundamental is to help people,  then this thread is a success.  Notwithstanding some serious criticism, it is a call to public service to defend the rights of LGBTQs, a noble service the benefit of which we gays are feeling in most of the world.  Yet there is still much work to do.

 

The new Mod has defined his purpose to be to stimulate constructive debate,  and has hinted that there is nothing in the way for members to do the same.   Something to think about

 

[singalion]

On 9/30/2019 at 10:16 PM, Grahf said:

 

I digress. You sound like someone who expects moderators to come into a thread as a Confucius-like figure and say something that puts a smile on everyone's faces, alas, that's next to impossible. What is good for you may not be good for me. Let's not forget that there's a person behind that moderator account too, and he is entitled to his opinions just as anyone is. And so does he act with his own set of morals (which obviously should coincide with the conduct gudelines, i mean he was handpicked by the moderating team and all...). Much like you choosing not to partake in this discussion—by no means a wrong decision, he has decided it is beneficial to share his thoughts. All fine and dandy, IMO.

 

Which sort of answers the title question. It's impossible to entirely eradicate a perspective, unless we stop being human.

 

Even judges are not Confucius like figures as we saw recently. We are all humans, we do errors, we take wrong decisions, we are emotional. We have different appreciations, considerations and aspirations...

I just fear that neutrality and impartiality suffer if Moderators participate into discussions and not posting their own opinion into a discussion would be a sacrifice to take if acting as a Moderator.

Moderators are not superman or batman in one person but need to remain in a neutral position to overview the discussions and keep them tidy, scold trolls or reprimand posters who do not adhere to the rules.

I don't mind if a Moderator adds a "cheeky" comment to a post or even with humour tells someone off or reminds not to get off topic with a ironic twist.

I just fear a Moderator can't draw the necessary line, once he starts joining discussions. And then he burns his fingers. How to stay persuasive if he partaked to the topic?

The Moderator is like the referee in soccer.

The referee won't shoot the penalty for one team either or does he?

And a referee would not say before a match: Oh, I find Messi and Ronaldo the best players in the world... but will just keep quiet.

 

By the way: It doesn't matter if he is young or old, even an older Moderator who would be new on the job has to grow with the time and experience. I even prefer a younger one because he might give Blowing Wind new fresh air...

 

[Guest Worth it?]

1 hour ago, singalion said:

 

Even judges are not Confucius like figures as we saw recently. We are all humans, we do errors, we take wrong decisions, we are emotional. We have different appreciations, considerations and aspirations...

I just fear that neutrality and impartiality suffer if Moderators participate into discussions and not posting their own opinion into a discussion would be a sacrifice to take if acting as a Moderator.

Moderators are not superman or batman in one person but need to remain in a neutral position to overview the discussions and keep them tidy, scold trolls or reprimand posters who do not adhere to the rules.

I don't mind if a Moderator adds a "cheeky" comment to a post or even with humour tells someone off or reminds not to get off topic with a ironic twist.

I just fear a Moderator can't draw the necessary line, once he starts joining discussions. And then he burns his fingers. How to stay persuasive if he partaked to the topic?

The Moderator is like the referee in soccer.

The referee won't shoot the penalty for one team either or does he?

And a referee would not say before a match: Oh, I find Messi and Ronaldo the best players in the world... but will just keep quiet.

 

By the way: It doesn't matter if he is young or old, even an older Moderator who would be new on the job has to grow with the time and experience. I even prefer a younger one because he might give Blowing Wind new fresh air...

 

 

BW Moderators, listen up.  You guys might as well give up your voluntary roles here.  Is it really worth to moderate, finding ways to keep the forum afloat with all the rising costs to maintain a site?

[Grahf]

On 10/6/2019 at 7:30 PM, singalion said:

Even judges are not Confucius like figures as we saw recently. We are all humans, we do errors, we take wrong decisions, we are emotional. We have different appreciations, considerations and aspirations...

I just fear that neutrality and impartiality suffer if Moderators participate into discussions and not posting their own opinion into a discussion would be a sacrifice to take if acting as a Moderator.

Moderators are not superman or batman in one person but need to remain in a neutral position to overview the discussions and keep them tidy, scold trolls or reprimand posters who do not adhere to the rules.

I don't mind if a Moderator adds a "cheeky" comment to a post or even with humour tells someone off or reminds not to get off topic with a ironic twist.

I just fear a Moderator can't draw the necessary line, once he starts joining discussions. And then he burns his fingers. How to stay persuasive if he partaked to the topic?

The Moderator is like the referee in soccer.

The referee won't shoot the penalty for one team either or does he?

And a referee would not say before a match: Oh, I find Messi and Ronaldo the best players in the world... but will just keep quiet.

 

By the way: It doesn't matter if he is young or old, even an older Moderator who would be new on the job has to grow with the time and experience. I even prefer a younger one because he might give Blowing Wind new fresh air...

 

I get where you're coming from but a moderator isn't about being punitive. Think of them as MCs for an open talk show. They're mostly there to keep things alive.

 

And, why'd you wanna interact with trolls? Don't feed'em, please.

Edited October 15, 2019 by Grahf

[Steve5380]

This thread has provided a good opportunity to comment on moderators and the new moderator in particular. Maybe it is a good time for him to come up with another interesting topic to discuss?

[Guest Armpits]

On 10/6/2019 at 4:37 PM, Guest Worth it? said:

BW Moderators, listen up.  You guys might as well give up your voluntary roles here.  Is it really worth to moderate, finding ways to keep the forum afloat with all the rising costs to maintain a site?

Well, homophobics are everywhere, including in ourselves... That's probably why we are killing each other on this forum

[Guest Guest]

On 9/30/2019 at 6:24 PM, BlinkOnce said:

In my first post, I indicated that I will take actions. Maybe it wasn't clear enough, but yes, there is a support system brewing.

Stay tuned

 

Brew one year already, and still brewing ... LOL! 

Brew ah brew! Brew ah brew! Brew! Brew! Brew! 

 

[Guest Lawrence54]

20 years ago, my ex-bf introduced me to his parents at the birthday of his grandma. It was spectacular night that ruined by his mother. While I was looking for the washroom, his mother found me and had a little chat. What resonated  to me is that she told me that I will never be enough for her sona and to their family.

[FattChoy]

1 hour ago, Guest Lawrence54 said:

20 years ago, my ex-bf introduced me to his parents at the birthday of his grandma. It was spectacular night that ruined by his mother. While I was looking for the washroom, his mother found me and had a little chat. What resonated  to me is that she told me that I will never be enough for her sona and to their family.

 

Cannot give him an heir is it?

[Why?]

8 hours ago, Guest Lawrence54 said:

20 years ago, my ex-bf introduced me to his parents at the birthday of his grandma. It was spectacular night that ruined by his mother. While I was looking for the washroom, his mother found me and had a little chat. What resonated  to me is that she told me that I will never be enough for her sona and to their family.

Her opinion is very true.  As a gay person, we have no other option, but to accept the fact that non-acceptance is often part and parcel of a gay life.  Put yourself in the mother's shoe and you know what I meant.

Edited October 17, 2020 by Why?

[Guest Reality]

Don’t blame others when most of the PLUs can’t even behave themselves in public. They are the one who caused the homophobia.

[Steve5380]

41 minutes ago, Guest Reality said:

Don’t blame others when most of the PLUs can’t even behave themselves in public. They are the one who caused the homophobia.

 

You may have a wrong idea.  When you say "don't blame the others",  you put the blame on PLU's ??

 

Homophobic need to feel better than others, holier than others, so they will seek "others" who they can make their inferiors, their sinners.  And PLU fit their need, when they see the attitudes of some of us. 

 

PLUs we have all the right to behave the way it is natural for us, as long as it is within the law. 

 

And what the hell are you doing here in this forum of PLUs ???  You refer to PLUs as "they" 

[Steve5380]

9 hours ago, Guest Lawrence54 said:

20 years ago, my ex-bf introduced me to his parents at the birthday of his grandma. It was spectacular night that ruined by his mother. While I was looking for the washroom, his mother found me and had a little chat. What resonated  to me is that she told me that I will never be enough for her sona and to their family.

 

In your chat with the mother, you could have asked her if she is a Christian.  If so,  she should have read the four Gospels, and you could ask her if she had found there a single word by Jesus Christ that condemns homosexuals, gays.  The fact is, the creator of Christianity never condemned gays.   And you could have further asked her if, in her opinion,  Jesus would have said to anybody  "you will never be enough for him or her".

[Guest Lawrence54]

On 10/17/2020 at 3:22 PM, FattChoy said:

 

Cannot give him an heir is it?

 

That would probably the reason. She wants him to take care of the family business and of course have any grandchild.

[Guest Lawrence54]

On 10/17/2020 at 11:17 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

In your chat with the mother, you could have asked her if she is a Christian.  If so,  she should have read the four Gospels, and you could ask her if she had found there a single word by Jesus Christ that condemns homosexuals, gays.  The fact is, the creator of Christianity never condemned gays.   And you could have further asked her if, in her opinion,  Jesus would have said to anybody  "you will never be enough for him or her".

 

She is a devoted Christian. She often host Bible studies with her friends. That is actaully a surprise to me as I thought she was a reasonable person.

[Guest Guest]

On 10/17/2020 at 1:51 PM, Guest Lawrence54 said:

20 years ago, my ex-bf introduced me to his parents at the birthday of his grandma. It was spectacular night that ruined by his mother. While I was looking for the washroom, his mother found me and had a little chat. What resonated  to me is that she told me that I will never be enough for her sona and to their family.

 

Since this happened 20 years ago, you should be able to know if the son is now married to a woman, or whether he is still gay. If he's married to a woman, your assumption that your ex-bf's mother was homophobic might be correct. If he is still gay, maybe she was referring to your character or your religious beliefs rather than anything else, and it will be out of topic of this thread.   

[InBangkok]

I have only skipped through most of the posts on this thread and so apologies in advance if I bring up old arguments. But it seems to me that the basic question asked by the OP has not really been addressed in any kind of detail.

 

I don'r believe homophobia exists because we let them exist - for lots of reasons. Most analyses of population make-up suggest that about 5% of people are gay. Even if the number is as high as 10% those of us who are gay make up just a tiny proportion of the world. Unfortunately there are many others in the world who have closed minds as to the function of men and women and sexuality. Others just don't understand why a man would want to be attracted in any way, including sexually, to another man instead of to a woman. Within that 90-95% of the population is a pretty high number of adherents to various religions which for millennia have preached that to be gay is a sin. It is really hard to counter these views when the leaders of countries have such people as the hard core of their voters.

 

To me, that is too simple though. I think the basic reason for homophobia is, as the word actually means, fear. In certain societies a fear that a family name will die out and no grandchildren. Fear that a child will not find happiness is his/her life. Others genuinely are more bigoted. They fear that gays will take over the world. They see homosexuality as a foot in the door of their own heterosexual castle.

 

Many find the thought of sex between two men as disgusting, in the same way that i find sex with a woman pretty close to disgusting. Many look at male saunas for sex and cruising both on foot and via the apps to find casual sex and view gays as promiscuous and debauched.

 

In effect, all these views are mere hypocrisy, a sign of totally closed minds. Many of these same people forget, or turn a blind eye to the fact, that many straight men indulge in a variety of sexual practices that others would regard as disgusting, that there are around the world plenty of brothels, cruising areas and apps where straight men can find women with ease for sex, sometimes outside marriage, and that there are probably millions of sex addicts. 

 

Only to a very limited extent do I believe that homophobics exist because we gays let them. The problem is that there are simly too few members of the gay community ready to go out into communities to try and persuade straight men nd women that they have nothing to fear from us. But then, as in Singapore, the government does not allow us to do that. It places restrictions on Pink Dot and does not permit a gay pride parade. It enhances fear.

 

Compare that with Taiwan which for years has had an open public debate about gay relationships, a fantastic gay pride parade that last year drew 170,000 marchers in Taipei alone - I have attended 7 out of the last 9 and they were such fantastic fun days. Other Taiwan cities have their own pride parades. Ultimately the public debate resulted in legal gay marriage.

 

Taipei's Pride Parade succeeds when Bangkok's tentative efforts died around 2003. It succeeds because it is run by private individuals and organisations. Bangkok's was sadly a pathetic attempt run by the commercial gay venues and so all the public witnessed were a few floats, dozens of bar boys and many dozen ladyboys. Thailand accepts a gay scene only as long as it is kept away from the public gaze. Unlike Taiwan, Bangkok's pride parade just reinforced negative public opinion. In that sense it unfortunately reinforced public homophobia.

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by InBangkok

[Guest Guest]

2 minutes ago, InBangkok said:

I have only skipped through most of the posts on this thread and so apologies in advance if I bring up old arguments.

 

Dun worry, we understand. I also skipped through your entire post because it was too long.... Can you summarize it a few sentence?  

 

(Some people really so much freer during the pandemic time hor?) 

[InBangkok]

2 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Dun worry, we understand. I also skipped through your entire post because it was too long.... Can you summarize it a few sentence?  

 

(Some people really so much freer during the pandemic time hor?) 

 

Nope.

Edited October 20, 2020 by InBangkok

[wilfgene]

1 hour ago, InBangkok said:

I have only skipped through most of the posts on this thread and so apologies in advance if I bring up old arguments. But it seems to me that the basic question asked by the OP has not really been addressed in any kind of detail.

 

I don'r believe homophobia exists because we let them exist - for lots of reasons. Most analyses of population make-up suggest that about 5% of people are gay. Even if the number is as high as 10% those of us who are gay make up just a tiny proportion of the world. Unfortunately there are many others in the world who have closed minds as to the function of men and women and sexuality. Others just don't understand why a man would want to be attracted in any way, including sexually, to another man instead of to a woman. Within that 90-95% of the population is a pretty high number of adherents to various religions which for millennia have preached that to be gay is a sin. It is really hard to counter these views when the leaders of countries have such people as the hard core of their voters.

 

To me, that is too simple though. I think the basic reason for homophobia is, as the word actually means, fear. In certain societies a fear that a family name will die out and no grandchildren. Fear that a child will not find happiness is his/her life. Others genuinely are more bigoted. They fear that gays will take over the world. They see homosexuality as a foot in the door of their own heterosexual castle.

 

Many find the thought of sex between two men as disgusting, in the same way that i find sex with a woman pretty close to disgusting. Many look at male saunas for sex and cruising both on foot and via the apps to find casual sex and view gays as promiscuous and debauched.

 

In effect, all these views are mere hypocrisy, a sign of totally closed minds. Many of these same people forget, or turn a blind eye to the fact, that many straight men indulge in a variety of sexual practices that others would regard as disgusting, that there are around the world plenty of brothels, cruising areas and apps where straight men can find women with ease for sex, sometimes outside marriage, and that there are probably millions of sex addicts. 

 

Only to a very limited extent do I believe that homophobics exist because we gays let them. The problem is that there are simly too few members of the gay community ready to go out into communities to try and persuade straight men nd women that they have nothing to fear from us. But then, as in Singapore, the government does not allow us to do that. It places restrictions on Pink Dot and does not permit a gay pride parade. It enhances fear.

 

Compare that with Taiwan which for years has had an open public debate about gay relationships, a fantastic gay pride parade that last year drew 170,000 marchers in Taipei alone - I have attended 7 out of the last 9 and they were such fantastic fun days. Other Taiwan cities have their own pride parades. Ultimately the public debate resulted in legal gay marriage.

 

Taipei's Pride Parade succeeds when Bangkok's tentative efforts died around 2003. It succeeds because it is run by private individuals and organisations. Bangkok's was sadly a pathetic attempt run by the commercial gay venues and so all the public witnessed were a few floats, dozens of bar boys and many dozen ladyboys. Thailand accepts a gay scene only as long as it is kept away from the public gaze. Unlike Taiwan, Bangkok's pride parade just reinforced negative public opinion. In that sense it unfortunately reinforced public homophobia.

 

As well as women who accept as their greatest assets, vaginas.

 

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by wilfgene

[auscent]

Partly. We all stood by at some stage, when ppl mouth bash gays.

[Steve5380]

13 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Dun worry, we understand. I also skipped through your entire post because it was too long.... Can you summarize it a few sentence?  

 

 

This is your second post today that complains about having to read too much.

 

First, please accept that you have no obligation to read long posts, to read anything at this forum.

 

Second, you should seek help with your reading disability.  I don't know if there are services for the indigent in Singapore, and I don't know if you can buy cheap reading glasses in convenience stores now that you get older, but you could look into this.

[Steve5380]

16 hours ago, InBangkok said:

I have only skipped through most of the posts on this thread and so apologies in advance if I bring up old arguments. But it seems to me that the basic question asked by the OP has not really been addressed in any kind of detail.

 

I don'r believe homophobia exists because we let them exist - for lots of reasons. Most analyses of population make-up suggest that about 5% of people are gay. Even if the number is as high as 10% those of us who are gay make up just a tiny proportion of the world. Unfortunately there are many others in the world who have closed minds as to the function of men and women and sexuality. Others just don't understand why a man would want to be attracted in any way, including sexually, to another man instead of to a woman. Within that 90-95% of the population is a pretty high number of adherents to various religions which for millennia have preached that to be gay is a sin. It is really hard to counter these views when the leaders of countries have such people as the hard core of their voters.

 

 

I don't believe either that homophobic exist because we let them be.  @BlinkOnce may have started this thread to encourage us TO FIGHT against homophobia and not be so passive.  And I agree with him.

 

You listed very good reasons why we gays have been put down by society since immemorial times.  But homophobia may be only one of the reasons.  Antisemitism exists, and Jews have been persecuted for centuries,  but today the state of Israel exists and few would dare to attack them.  The empowerment of Jews has been very recent, since WWII.

 

The empowerment of LGBTQs is growing, and it is also recent.  Who would have imagined when we were children that gays would one day be able to marry in complete equality with straights?   So far this happens only in a few nations, but it seems to be in the nature of things that same-sex marriage is going to spread.

 

So why now?  It could be because today the homophobia due to IGNORANCE is diminishing, normal people start to  question the position of churches that gays are horrible offenders of God destined to be thrown into the bottom of hell,  while a minimum of homophobia will always persist due to the MALEVOLENCE, or fear as you suggest, of a minority of people. Those notable individuals, like Pete Buttigieg, who have overcome the fear of being gay,  are showing the world that gays we are perfectly normal and decent people.

 

Some of us gay and lefthanded got it from two sides.  But today there is no opposition left against lefties.  Zero!   Why did it drop?  Because we lefties started using the left hand without reservations. Many very powerful people, like US presidents, are or have been lefties.  Today we lefties are PROUD of it, ha ha.   I had today a "leftie" experience when I went to vote for the next 4 years of my government and I had to sign on an electronic pad in an awkward position for a left hander to use, so the poll worker had to move it around so I could sign,  and we made fun joking that maybe Trump wanted to avoid left-handed to vote since most of us don't support him.  Some day people will simply joke with us when they have to say Mr. and Mr.  instead of Ms. and Mr.  

 

Like it happened with left-handed,  a 10% minority in the population, who just started to use the left hand,  if closets don't exist anymore and LGBTQs start acting like it is in our nature from the start, we will be equally empowered.  

[Guest Lawrence54]

On 10/20/2020 at 9:07 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Since this happened 20 years ago, you should be able to know if the son is now married to a woman, or whether he is still gay. If he's married to a woman, your assumption that your ex-bf's mother was homophobic might be correct. If he is still gay, maybe she was referring to your character or your religious beliefs rather than anything else, and it will be out of topic of this thread.   

 

He got married with a woman that his mother had arranged for him. And I know that he is resenting his mother for doing that for the rest of his life. They also owe that to me by letting him go. I realized and accepted that he is a coward that time.He gave up on us. It was not my job to make him feel like a man. I can't make him something that he is not.

 

[Guest Mary]

On 10/17/2020 at 1:51 PM, Guest Lawrence54 said:

20 years ago, my ex-bf introduced me to his parents at the birthday of his grandma. It was spectacular night that ruined by his mother. While I was looking for the washroom, his mother found me and had a little chat. What resonated  to me is that she told me that I will never be enough for her sona and to their family.

 

On 10/20/2020 at 4:54 AM, Guest Lawrence54 said:

 

That would probably the reason. She wants him to take care of the family business and of course have any grandchild.

 

On 10/20/2020 at 5:02 AM, Guest Lawrence54 said:

 

She is a devoted Christian. She often host Bible studies with her friends. That is actaully a surprise to me as I thought she was a reasonable person.

 

On 10/24/2020 at 11:33 AM, Guest Lawrence54 said:

 

He got married with a woman that his mother had arranged for him. And I know that he is resenting his mother for doing that for the rest of his life. They also owe that to me by letting him go. I realized and accepted that he is a coward that time.He gave up on us. It was not my job to make him feel like a man. I can't make him something that he is not.

 

 

The fuck! Was your bf name is Nick Young and his mother name is Auntie Eleonor Young?

[Why?]

I noticed there are many tit un-stimulated Obasan, in this society, who are mostly anti-gay.    Anyone realised that?