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2 hours ago, Guest Complete said:


Just for completeness 90% of the imported cases are Singaporeans  ( most arriving from UK) 

 

Check the official numbers.


I was talking about the 47 new cases of today and not about any total numbers.

 

Your numbers don’t even mention the Singaporeans who have been returning the past 4 day’s from overseas.

 

2 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Coronavirus: 47 new cases in Singapore, including 39 imported, a total of 432 cases. 

 

Looks like we do not have any solution for all these spike in imported cases, including foreigners and locals who still don't care and want to travel. Everyday 30, 40 cases, very fast in two weeks time,  we will hit a thousand mark.


From the 39 imported cases of today 

- 22 are Singaporeans

- 2 Permanent Residents 

- 9 Long Term Pass holders

- 6 visitors.

 

If you intend to continue your petty fights, please do so at the Flaming Room. 

 

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2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

just pondering, with the virus now being widespread globally, i would think most cases in most countries r probably imported.

 

if only all countries STOP all forms of travelling (with e exception of evacuating of citizens/PRs from overseas) immediately for 30 days, maybe the virus could b contained within? n maybe might stop spreading this fast?

Probably yes but unfortunately not all countries are willing to do that, aren't SG a good example?

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39 minutes ago, Guest Complete said:

From the 39 imported cases of today 

- 22 are Singaporeans

- 2 Permanent Residents 

- 9 Long Term Pass holders

- 6 visitors.

 

If you intend to continue your petty fights, please do so at the Flaming Room. 

 

And how is this 90% Singaporeans? If you intend to use Mathematics, please do so after you go back to kindergarten first. 

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3 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Doesnt matter if is foreigners or locals,  the fact is all are classified as imported cases and the problem is we do not have a solution to stop this. 

 

All the restrictions imposed like 1 m rule,  banning 250 people gathering etc are good but then it does not stop imported case,  only way is to close door like so many countries have been doing. 
 


The 1m rule, banning 250people gathering are aimed at preventing community spread because returning SG citizens after serving their stay home notice may return to the community. If they are asymptomatic during the 14-day Stay Home Notice and only show symptoms after the 14days & return to the community, without these social distancing n 250people ban, they may inadvertently spread it in the community. 
 

Thus, there are broadly 2-prong approach; first is to limit imported cases and second is to prevent community spread if somehow the imported cases slipped through to the community. 

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1 hour ago, Guest Logical said:

 

Thus, there are broadly 2-prong approach; first is to limit imported cases and second is to prevent community spread if somehow the imported cases slipped through to the community. 

 

Too late, too little. 

 

We had 100 cases at end of Feb. And in just 3 weeks time, we have another 183 cases more. If this goes on, we won't even have enough beds in the hospital for medical care anymore, and we will need to be sick at home. 

 

And did MOH changed its reporting method to exclude the cumulative total number of infected now? 

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I think the phrase "Imported Cases" confuses regular people. They should split those into "Returning Singapore Residents" and "Non-Residing Foreign Visitors" to make sure regular people are 100% clear on the nature of the cases. Among the 33 cases mentioned above, 33 are Returning Singapore Residents, and 6 are Non-Residing Foreign Visitors.

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41 minutes ago, Guest Hazily Instructor said:

I think the phrase "Imported Cases" confuses regular people. They should split those into "Returning Singapore Residents" and "Non-Residing Foreign Visitors" to make sure regular people are 100% clear on the nature of the cases. Among the 39 cases mentioned above, 33 are Returning Singapore Residents, and 6 are Non-Residing Foreign Visitors.

The population has became so messy our govt can only make it more ambiguous when it comes to statistics and the different use of words that doesn't mean what it was supposed to mean .

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4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Gov should just lock down Singapore for 2 weeks and clean up

 

We had 100 cases at end of Feb, and after that in 3 weeks time, we are having close to 180 cases. Our cases are now growing exponentially. Closing Singapore for just 2 weeks is not going to do anything much for anyone now, because, even with all the social distancing efforts that we had put in place, the next thing we will see will be more community spread. We had our chance to  flatten the exponential curve, but we reacted too late and with too little efforts.  

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17 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You you could start with your proposal by locking yourself down and turning your computer off  :blink:

 

Now that USA has the third largest number of infected people in the entire world after China and Italy, it's really ironical to still see an American coming here, claiming that Trump did things too slowly, and still wants to see other nations react even more slowly than the Americans. 

 

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China 81,054 +46 3,261 +6 72,440 5,353 1,845 56
Italy 53,578 +6,557 4,825 +793 6,072 42,681 2,857 886
USA 26,687 +7,304 340 +84 176 26,171 64 81

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

If this is not hypocrisy, what is? 

 

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7 hours ago, Guest Hazily Instructor said:

I think the phrase "Imported Cases" confuses regular people. They should split those into "Returning Singapore Residents" and "Non-Residing Foreign Visitors" to make sure regular people are 100% clear on the nature of the cases. Among the 33 cases mentioned above, 33 are Returning Singapore Residents, and 6 are Non-Residing Foreign Visitors.


The aim of the Singapore government is to highlight the Covid 19 is not a “community spread virus” and infections are not spreading within the community but brought in to Singapore ( = imported) from overseas. 
 

The differentiation has something to do with WHO labelling.

 

I m more surprised about “visitors” , i. e. non resident locals or non- Long Term Pass Holders being allowed to enter Singapore.
I thought such entries have not been allowed and why do they arrive being infected? Can conclude this “Health Certification” requirement doesn’t work.

There seems to be a lack of consistency.

 

Why are they allowing these people into Singapore?

 

4 of them are visitors from Indonesia, 1 Australian and even 1 Spanish. They should have been barred from entry. (Ok, Australia until yesterday was not on the list but he/she had a travel history to US).
 

On the other hand the government revoked  work passes for those Long Term Pass Holders who returned without the prerequisite pre-entry approval and just took a flight to Singapore. 


Seems not so logic to me.

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5 minutes ago, Guest Explained said:

The aim of the Singapore government is to highlight the Covid 19 is not a “community spread virus” and infections are not spreading within the community but brought in to Singapore ( = imported) from overseas. 


And this is another mishandling of the situation, just like instructions of not wearing mask unless you are not feeling well. If it is becoming more and more of a community spread disease, it should be addressed as so. Just like how wearing mask even for healthy people  could have lessen the number of infected people at the beginning, we should have done so all the way at the beginning. This is common sense.

 

We do not pay Ministers millions of dollars each year to make such mistakes. 

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1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Now that USA has the third largest number of infected people in the entire world after China and Italy, it's really ironical to still see an American coming here, claiming that Trump did things too slowly, and still wants to see other nations react even more slowly than the Americans. 

 

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Critical
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China 81,054 +46 3,261 +6 72,440 5,353 1,845 56
Italy 53,578 +6,557 4,825 +793 6,072 42,681 2,857 886
USA 26,687 +7,304            

If this is not hypocrisy, what is? 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Maybe if you take some remedial classes of English they may teach you the correct meaning of "hypocrisy".

The way you throw this term around here indicates that you have no idea of what it means.


I assume most BW readers would appreciate if this repeated trailing of Steve5380’s posts and then following bickering can stop. 


Most of the thread seems already in the Flaming Room. 
 

Discuss on the topic and refrain from personal fights!

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On 3/20/2020 at 10:39 AM, LeanMature said:

One point I need to clarify about work pass holder (New and existing) - DO THEY NEED TO SEEK APPROVAL BEFORE FLYING INTO SJNGAPORE ? 

 

FYI, there is an update today on this matter.

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/additional-border-control-measures-to-reduce-further-importation-of-covid-19-cases

 

'Furthermore the Ministry of Manpower will only allow the entry/ return of work pass holders [2], including their dependents, for those providing essential services, such as in healthcare and transport

 

15 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Doesnt matter if is foreigners or locals,  the fact is all are classified as imported cases and the problem is we do not have a solution to stop this. 

 

All the restrictions imposed like 1 m rule,  banning 250 people gathering etc are good but then it does not stop imported case,  only way is to close door like so many countries have been doing. 
 

 

 

2 hours ago, Guest Explained said:

m more surprised about “visitors” , i. e. non resident locals or non- Long Term Pass Holders being allowed to enter Singapore.
I thought such entries have not been allowed and why do they arrive being infected? Can conclude this “Health Certification” requirement doesn’t work.

There seems to be a lack of consistency.

 

Why are they allowing these people into Singapore?

 

4 of them are visitors from Indonesia, 1 Australian and even 1 Spanish. They should have been barred from entry. (Ok, Australia until yesterday was not on the list but he/she had a travel history to US).
 

On the other hand the government revoked  work passes for those Long Term Pass Holders who returned without the prerequisite pre-entry approval and just took a flight to Singapore. 


Seems not so logic to me.

 

 

Yesterday, there were still 533 short-term visitors arriving in Singapore. Finally, some action taken. 

"No entry or transit through Singapore for all short-term visitors, with limited entry for work pass holders

4.        From 23 March 2020, 2359 hours, all short-term visitors (from anywhere in the world) will not be allowed to enter or transit through Singapore."

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12 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Too late, too little. 

 

We had 100 cases at end of Feb. And in just 3 weeks time, we have another 183 cases more. If this goes on, we won't even have enough beds in the hospital for medical care anymore, and we will need to be sick at home. 

 

And did MOH changed its reporting method to exclude the cumulative total number of infected now? 

Yes,  every measure they took seems to be 1 step behind... I think they already mention before, eventually those classified as light cases should stay at home, only serious ones need to go hospital,  they are also urging all private hospitals to stop or defer taking foreign patients, so can free up more medical resources for covid patient.

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16 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

Yes,  every measure they took seems to be 1 step behind... I think they already mention before, eventually those classified as light cases should stay at home, only serious ones need to go hospital,  they are also urging all private hospitals to stop or defer taking foreign patients, so can free up more medical resources for covid patient.

 

I don't think the SG gov was one step behind.

Compared to many other countries reaction/action was quite prompt.

E.g. Incoming travel restrictions, disallowing events.

 

I understand the SG gov tried to keep the economy running as best as they can. That's why no lockout was implemented so far. To concile both isn't an easy task.

 

The closing of borders from Europe by Trump was a panic reaction for his denial of crisis and lengthy inaction in the 4 weeks before. Europe's leaders made the error not to restrict inflowing travellers from China from end of January. Damage was done to the countries.

 

In SG it seemed the gov had an internal limit, once the infections in a certain country reached a threshold, entries were disallowed and returning Residents placed under home quarantine.

Now there are restrictions for all parts of the world.

 

Sure, there are errors on the road.

 

I m not sure if it's good to reopen schools tomorrow. I m not sure if these distancing measures are sufficient. Shopping malls, public places still seem very crowded, the jogging track near my place was utilised as usually.

Public transport is not covered by distancing measures.

 

I personally think the gov tries to avoid implementing a lockdown as such measure could be seen as if the gov hasn't done enough to contain the spread.

 

But closure of restaurants, eateries, hawkers, non essential businesses could be implemented soon if the local infections increase. Maybe 500 infected cases is the number...

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18 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Probably yes but unfortunately not all countries are willing to do that, aren't SG a good example?

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/additional-border-control-measures-to-reduce-further-importation-of-covid-19-cases

No entry or transit through Singapore for all short-term visitors, with limited entry for work pass holders

 

finally...  from tml, at least this is a gd start and all other countries must do e same to STOP this virus

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1 hour ago, passinthenight said:

Meanwhile, down here in Australia, medical professionals being interviewed on tv are saying we need to be like Singapore.

Look at the charts they say, these people are living on top of each other compared to here.. and just look at how well they have managed to contain it.

 

 The anxiety attached to this thing is very unpleasant.

Let's all do our best to keep our distance and hopefully this thing will be out of our lives sooner rather than later.

 

And they overlooked the accomplishments of HK and TW? Did they say anything of those two places? 

 

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Hong Kong 274   4   100 170 4 37
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Singapore 432   2   140 290 14 74
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Taiwan 153   2   28 123   6
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Talk about social distance, my observation today is " nobody cares in spore"

At hawker centre, people standing close to each other while queueing for food.

Whole group of people play soccer in the field right now.

Big crowd inside one fast food outlet...

The list goes on.

Social distancing is a joke when people dont care.

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41 minutes ago, leo yok loo said:

Talk about social distance, my observation today is " nobody cares in spore"

At hawker centre, people standing close to each other while queueing for food.

Whole group of people play soccer in the field right now.

Big crowd inside one fast food outlet...

The list goes on.

Social distancing is a joke when people dont care.

 

LOL ... you should go sneak at peak at what is happening in the polyclinic. You know the slogan "Don't wear mask unless you are sick"? Half the patients in the polyclinic are not wearing masks. When the leaders are setting such loose examples themselves and telling everyone to "live life as normal", everyone follows.  

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1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

LOL ... you should go sneak at peak at what is happening in the polyclinic. You know the slogan "Don't wear mask unless you are sick"? Half the patients in the polyclinic are not wearing masks. When the leaders are setting such loose examples themselves and telling everyone to "live life as normal", everyone follows.  

There is always no stock for mask n even if you can find, most are expensive.

There are also some who feel uncomfortable wearing mask n most people are just taking chances.    

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1 minute ago, leo yok loo said:

But i saw people sitting on the labels/stickers.

They should take away the chairs and leave 2 per table at opposite side like in kopitiam. Those cannot move, just unscrewwed it and leave the metal pole protruding. Only a true bottom can handle that sit. 

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Gov should just tell citizen all to wear mask for 2 weeks.sick people wear surgical mask .healthy people wear cloth mask. THere are plenty of cloth mask in singapore .

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To be fair,  some of the shop,  eatery are very small, to observe the 1m rule basically reduce their capacity drastically,  are the landlord willing to reduce their rental accordingly? Cannot be rental at full but only can utilised half of the space leh,  very si-poon like that. 

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3 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

To be fair,  some of the shop,  eatery are very small, to observe the 1m rule basically reduce their capacity drastically,  are the landlord willing to reduce their rental accordingly? Cannot be rental at full but only can utilised half of the space leh,  very si-poon like that. 

 

Whenever possible, customers should choose take away at this critical moment now.

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Love this video of a Vietnam pop star emphasising the importance of hand washing. It was made more than a month ago and has gone viral. Schoolchildren around the world are translating it and learning the dance movements! Sorry if it has already been posted.

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Guest InBangkok said:

Love this video of a Vietnam pop star emphasising the importance of hand washing. It was made more than a month ago and has gone viral. Schoolchildren around the world are translating it and learning the dance movements! Sorry if it has already been posted.

 

 

 

Super junior started it...  Not them 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Since u r here said:

Even mcdonalds and many restaurants pasted labels/stickers to remind all starting today

See, some people complain about Mcdonalds and many restaurants doing this

 

Why, I would never do such a thing.

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52 minutes ago, Kimochi said:

Super junior started it...  Not them 

 

I had not seen the Super Junior video and frankly cannot understand it. There are no explicit moves about the importance of hand washing - and with so many guys keeping less than 2 meters apart is not an especially good idea - although to be fair the two Vietnamese boys are also very close. Looking at the youtube site, wasn't that Super Junior made in 2009? A bit before the present pandemic!

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3 minutes ago, Guest InBangkok said:

 

I had not seen the Super Junior video and frankly cannot understand it. There are no explicit moves about the importance of hand washing - and with so many guys keeping less than 2 meters apart is not an especially good idea - although to be fair the two Vietnamese boys are also very close. Looking at the youtube site, wasn't that Super Junior made in 2009? A bit before the present pandemic!

Sigh you do not know how to take jokes....  Look at them dancing and "washing" their hands together... 

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4 minutes ago, Guest InBangkok said:

 

I had not seen the Super Junior video and frankly cannot understand it. There are no explicit moves about the importance of hand washing - and with so many guys keeping less than 2 meters apart is not an especially good idea - although to be fair the two Vietnamese boys are also very close. Looking at the youtube site, wasn't that Super Junior made in 2009? A bit before the present pandemic!

 

...and they were touching their faces too...

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17 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

LOL ... you should go sneak at peak at what is happening in the polyclinic. You know the slogan "Don't wear mask unless you are sick"? Half the patients in the polyclinic are not wearing masks. When the leaders are setting such loose examples themselves and telling everyone to "live life as normal", everyone follows.  

Not everyone must be sick in order to see a doctor. Some are there to follow up on other health matters, some are accompanying their parents or kids and some are there to get a referral letter for some minor operations at subsidised rates in public hospital (eg. wisdom tooth, eye surgery).

 

At the end of the day, just make sure you wash your hands often, maintain your own social distance and keep yourself healthy. The last time you want is to become a super-spreader yourself.

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11 minutes ago, dexter9898 said:

Not everyone must be sick in order to see a doctor. Some are there to follow up on other health matters, some are accompanying their parents or kids and some are there to get a referral letter for some minor operations at subsidised rates in public hospital (eg. wisdom tooth, eye surgery).

 

At the end of the day, just make sure you wash your hands often, maintain your own social distance and keep yourself healthy. The last time you want is to become a super-spreader yourself.

 

If everyone has the same type of mentality as you, even the doctors and nurses who are not sick shouldn't be wearing masks. The stupid misguided slogan of "Healthy people need not wear masks" has been pushed and carried too far. At times when there is widespread contagious diseases going on, such as an epidemic and/or pandemic, or when you are in some places concentrated with sick people, such as the polyclinic and hospitals, you should be wearing masks regardless if you are sick or not sick, just like how the nurses and the doctors are doing to protect themselves. Just because our leaders are telling us "Healthy people do not need to wear masks", doesn't mean we have to put our common sense aside and listen to them unthinkingly. That was a really bad advice made because of our serious shortages of masks. If they had addressed the mask shortage sooner, we will have more masks to go around now, and the local spread might have been lower. 

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27 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

If everyone has the same type of mentality as you, even the doctors and nurses who are not sick shouldn't be wearing masks. The stupid misguided slogan of "Healthy people need not wear masks" has been pushed and carried too far. At times when there is widespread contagious diseases going on, such as an epidemic and/or pandemic, or when you are in some places concentrated with sick people, such as the polyclinic and hospitals, you should be wearing masks regardless if you are sick or not sick, just like how the nurses and the doctors are doing to protect themselves. Just because our leaders are telling us "Healthy people do not need to wear masks", doesn't mean we have to put our common sense aside and listen to them unthinkingly. That was a really bad advice made because of our serious shortages of masks. If they had addressed the mask shortage sooner, we will have more masks to go around now, and the local spread might have been lower. 

You are right! That's why now we have already some community spread cases. Now many people are taking chances because there is still no way that people can buy mask easily. 

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2 hours ago, LeanMature said:

What's the point of doing all these distancing when you crammed like sardines inside the train (unless you have private transport).

Crowded still not so bad if everyone wear a mask but I think only like 20% are wearing and with all these no symptoms cases,  it is quite a high risk.... Private doesn't mean safe unless u r the only one in the car,  otherwise if those inside the car got the virus,  u sure kena.  

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23 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

And they overlooked the accomplishments of HK and TW? Did they say anything of those two places? 

 

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Hong Kong 274   4   100 170 4 37
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Singapore 432   2   140 290 14 74
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Taiwan 153   2   28 123   6

 

 I'm thinking that in the century of fake news the medical experts here have decided that they can trust Singapores' data on the virus.

That's only my interpretation on the subject.

I also noticed that my post went to the sin bin with all the rest of the Nasty posts(flaming room).

What did I write that was inflammatory?

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On 3/20/2020 at 4:27 AM, Guest MAGAKAG said:

Better to leave no stone unturned especially when the source is WHO - headed by a somehow 3rd rate chief.

 

The head of the World Health Organisation is not the problem. Please leave your bashing of him, which is clearly based on racism as proven by the slur words you posted in the split-off topic that's now in the Flaming Room, out of this thread. He is a qualified person, regardless of which country he's from, or he would not have the job.

 

The problem is that the PRC has veto power and de facto financial control of the WHO due to their permanent seat on the UN Security Council. As a result, they are using their economic clout to push the WHO into doing everything in ways which benefit the PRC's image, and that's an organizational issue rather than an individual issue.

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