All about Covid-19 Discussion in Singapore (compiled)

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Guest repeated said:

Why not learn to start reading the logic or smart way? 

The topic started about wearing masks. The last sentence is: SG Gov should increase the distance for safe distancing.

Reading this you don't have a clue what the research result was?

 

 

1 hour ago, Guest repeated said:

A German research just came out and said, the mask should be compulsory for Covid19 carriers, but the problem is the period for not having symptoms but already being infectious is quite long for this virus ( 3 to 14 days). The researchers from Robert Koch Institute said, distancing is more important than imposing to wear a mask and set the distancing space at 2m. the virus seems to be spread not only when caughing but while speaking too according this research paper (just out 2 days ago)

 

Why don't you do it yourself and start reading things the smart way? In the same one paragraph, you want to tell people that the virus seems to spread not just by "COUGHING", but also by "SPEAKING", and yet you tell people "distancing is more important than wearing mask"?? Distancing may be able to stop the droplets from hitting you 1 meter away. But guess what? Wearing mask can stop the droplets from hitting you from 1 centimeter away. Which one is more effective? 

 

Social distancing can definitely help curb the spread of the virus. But look at the real results of places which encouraged mask wearing first before they imposed the social distancing measures. Those places such as Taiwan and Hong Kong are controlling the spread of the virus so much better than all of us. Even Hong Kong which initially banned the wearing of mask because of the riots, did so well after social shaming was done on those not wearing masks. https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-curb-the-coronavirus-hong-kong-shows-the-world-masks-work-11586338202  Even though the numbers in South Korea and Japan is higher than ours, I attribute it to the fact that their population  numbers is much higher than ours, and besides, they have now flatten the curve already. Now take a look at those countries which went into a lock down first before they spoke about wearing masks. Those countries such as Italy has so many DEAD PEOPLE than that of multiple countries combined. And to make things worse, the curve has not even been flattened yet.  

 

So which one do you think is more effective: mask wearing or social distancing? Like what you yourself have said, why not learn to start reading the logic or smart way? Just because WHO, or some research institutes or some politicians told us anything, doesn't mean we should keep our brains locked in some drawers and take their words as it is! 

 

People like you who still wants to spread propaganda like these during such critical times, just to whitewash the mistakes made by our country leaders should really be strung up and hang out for everyone to see! 

[LeanMature]

19 hours ago, fab said:

 

Many people that era grew up with gangs.

 

That era already long gone.  The ones here probably the neglected children of the gangsters. 

[LeanMature]

44 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

21  HDB  Blocks  in  Redhill Close  to  House  Healthy  Essential  Foreign  Workers  Relocated  from  Dorms

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/some-healthy-foreign-workers-essential-services-moved-their-dormitories-redhill-close

 

 

Bad move, IMO.

[Guest guest]

Just now, LeanMature said:

 

Bad move, IMO.

Why bad move?

[yuquidam]

1 minute ago, Guest guest said:

Why bad move?

Yeah....thought it's a good move to protect those healthy migrant brothers whose cramped dorms are now infected with COVID-19 cases or clusters? 

[lonelyglobe]

21 minutes ago, LeanMature said:

 

That era already long gone.  The ones here probably the neglected children of the gangsters. 

Not really,  if they are gangster in their 20s during the 60s & 70s,  now they should be in their 70s... Still can see a lot of them strolling in the neighbourhood area with nothing in their hands,  should issue pass for buying lunch and dinner,  that will restrict their movement to twice per day and passes for market and supermarket once or twice per week per household depending on the family size. Can also limit movement not more than 5km from their home to prevent people from traveling to other hawker centre since trains and buses are empty now. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by lonelyglobe

[lonelyglobe]

16 minutes ago, LeanMature said:

 

Bad move, IMO.

No choice,  no other place liao,  otherwise the cleaners kenna then no one help to clear rubbish, also need to disperse them to avoid possible riots.

[LeanMature]

4 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

Not really,  if they are gangster in their 20s during the 60s & 70s,  now they should be in their 70s... Still can see a lot of them strolling in the neighbourhood area with nothing in their hands,  should issue pass for buying lunch and dinner,  that will restrict their movement to twice per day and passes for market and supermarket once or twice per week per household depending on the family size. Can also limit movement not more than 5km from their home to prevent people from traveling to other hawker centre since trains and buses are empty now. 

 

Did you count properly ?   1 year old in 1960 is 60 years old today.  Those in their 20s in 1960 will be 80 years and above.  Mostly in nursing home if not passed away.

 

5 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

No choice,  no other place liao,  otherwise the cleaners kenna then no one help to clear rubbish, also need to disperse them to avoid possible riots.

 

Redhill area is right in the heartland with more than 80% elderly people.   Just conveniently because there are a few empty blocks not demolished yet ?

[lonelyglobe]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Those places such as Taiwan and Hong Kong are controlling the spread of the virus so much better than all of us. Even Hong Kong which initially banned the wearing of mask because of the riots, did so well after social shaming was done on those not wearing masks. https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-curb-the-coronavirus-hong-kong-shows-the-world-masks-work-11586338202  Even though the numbers in South Korea and Japan is higher than ours

Taiwan only had 1 new case today and they had taken all the necessary steps like screening at train station and compulsory wearing of mask on public transport.... SK high number also due to the mass screening and if SG do that, I can't imagine the number given more than 200 of unlinked cases.... Japan had been covering up because of Olympic but  since it is postpone now,  they are going to explode. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by lonelyglobe

[Guest Guest]

Isolating people here and there and all over the place will not make the virus go away miraculously, regardless if you isolate them in Redhill, Orchard Road or even Pulau Ubin, especially since there are more and more asymptomatic carriers discovered nowadays. We still need to find out who is carrying the virus using some reliable test kits, and treat them properly. 

[lonelyglobe]

5 minutes ago, LeanMature said:

 

Redhill area is right in the heartland with more than 80% elderly people.   Just conveniently because there are a few empty blocks not demolished yet ?

Then where u suggest?  Opposite your block? 

[LeanMature]

1 minute ago, lonelyglobe said:

Then where u suggest?  Opposite your block? 

 

Not for me to suggest.  Whoever has the power to decide must have the insight.  It's already common knowledge that elderly people are very vulnerable to this infection.  

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Guest new measures said:

too late. 

 

Sometimes I get this feeling the Ministers read Blowing Wind.

Haven't we been talking about public transport and the people squeeze so man times... 

 

 

Dun think so much, there are heavier monitored forums than BW talking about all these issues.

[Guest Guest]

56 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

Not really,  if they are gangster in their 20s during the 60s & 70s,  now they should be in their 70s... Still can see a lot of them strolling in the neighbourhood area with nothing in their hands,  should issue pass for buying lunch and dinner,  that will restrict their movement to twice per day and passes for market and supermarket once or twice per week per household depending on the family size. Can also limit movement not more than 5km from their home to prevent people from traveling to other hawker centre since trains and buses are empty now. 

 

Some areas in SG dun have supermarket, very cham, have to take bus to reach, like non matured estates. Some have small coffeeshop nearby but not all the stalls are open.

[Guest repeated]

Some guys here pretend to be omnipotent and omniscient the sort of Know it Alls and Jack of all Trades but turn out to be the Master of none. 

 

Plus, I don't understand why some guys here need to respond in a quite aggressive manner where we should lean together (in safe distancing) to improve the situation and raise awareness.

 

I m quite sure this person, who pinned this post is no scientist from the way he writes and just a simple layman. Still he dares to lean his head very far out of the window.

 

For Hongkong and Taiwan, the most specific reason why they were able to come out with a lower number of infections is, because they were able to contain the spread from onset as they quarantined infected persons immediately and placed them into a real single quarantine not mingling with other people. Taiwan did an extensive travel history research of people and went so far to research all their citizens who travelled to Wuhan and Hubei up to 20 December 2019  as early as in end of January 2020 and then tested those persons twice to verify if they are virus carriers or not. Taiwan even combined travel data available with personal data on record to search any potential spreaders and isolate them at early stage. Nonetheless, numbers of infections are increasing in Taiwan recently as well. 

 

We understand some may intend to post subtle or not so subtle critic on the Singaporean government by pointing to other countries or searching flaws in policies to tackle the spread of the Corona Virus. If we had known all from the start, for sure the situation had developed differently. Who is able to predict every outcome and development from onset of the endemic?

 

COVID-19 is believed to spread through respiratory droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes, or from coming into contact with an infected surface and then touching your eyes, nose or mouth. There’s some evidence that COVID-19 may also be transmitted through much smaller airborne droplets in “very specific circumstances and settings,” such as “aerosolising” medical procedures. When it comes to masks, this distinction between droplets and aerosolisation is important, because surgical masks and homemade masks cannot prevent airborne transmission, while N95 respirators can. Surgical masks are loose-fitting disposable masks that loop around the ears and cover the nose and mouth. Because they aren’t fitted on the sides, they don’t provide protection from airborne germs. But surgical masks do stop larger droplets, splashes, saliva and respiratory secretions from spreading.

 

As you see, the last word "spreading" indicates the helpfulness of masks for infected persons to avoid further infections to uninfected people.

 

The new research results mentioned by me earlier this morning comes now into the picture, because if what was found out in the new research results speaking spreads the virus, viruses spread by speaking are distributed by aerosols. The aerosols can be very small particles and are mostly not visible. The research found: Simply speaking 3 words can emit 1000 of such infectious aerosols. These survive around 45 mins in the air, eventually longer (as research on how long they can survive is not yet conclusive).

The second danger for the aerosols is, they can stick to surfaces, the face or the skin and then come into the mouth, eyes and later lungs.

It is according to this new research possible to be a superspreader just by speaking.

 

The surgical masks do not protect against aerosols but only against droplets. Therefore, wearing a mask will not protect the uninfected person against aerosols hitting the body and for the critical parts such as the face and then being "soaked", touched by hand and taken into mouth, nose or eyes.

 

As a result, the most important finding of this research is: Distancing is much more important (than wearing a mask) because the aerosols will not reach the other person if sufficient distance to an infected person has been kept.

 

Actually the N95 mask is more efficient in protecting a person for both droplets and aerosols, if there had been a necessity to wear masks, then it should have been the N95 masks. However, there is an extreme shortage on this type of mask and currently they are prioritised to hospital staff.

 

The sentence mentioned in a different post this morning: Wearing a surgical mask can prevent droplets from hitting you one centimeter away is clearly wrong and a dangerous advice because surgical masks do not prevent droplets to soak through the textile of the mask into the face, once they are worn out or stained. Secondly, many people touch masks wrongly or at the wrong parts. If you touch the mask at the front, you might stain your fingers and then later you touch your face or mouth. The wearing of surgical masks must come with proper use so as the taking off of a mask after use.

 

If you are just one centimeter proximity to an infected person, the risk of getting infected is very high, as droplets may stick onto skin parts or clothes, areas you then might touch easily later on.

 

Safe distancing is important as well and after reading the new researches maybe even much more important than we thought.

There is no reason not to promote  the wearing of surgical face masks, however considering the most recent researches, keeping sufficient distance from other people seems of great importance to stay uninfected from Covid19 and to exclude any transmission by aerosols.

 

Hopefully, this helps to clarify on the issues and understanding of the new research results received just some days ago.

 

 

Here is a good article to read by what means Taiwan was able to contain the virus better than other countries:

https://www.businessinsider.sg/coronavirus-taiwan-case-study-rapid-response-containment-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

 

But do note: An obligation to wear face masks was not imposed by Taiwan and masks by the Taiwanese government were only distributed to schools and universities and not to the complete population.

 

[Guest Juxtaposed Yourself]

Let this serve as a concrete example to the lying troll who keeps blaming foreigners for all of his personal failures, because he was too untalented and too uncreative to accomplish anything with his life, and falsely caiming that foreigners are treated better than Singaporeans. That is clearly not the case here, as returning Singaporeans are isolated in fancy hotels, while foreign construction workers are quarantined in abandoned and soon to be condemned HDBs. Stop the scapegoating. Pull together and defeat Rona.

[Guest Guest]

7 minutes ago, Guest Juxtaposed Yourself said:

Let this serve as a concrete example to the lying troll who keeps blaming foreigners for all of his personal failures, because he was too untalented and too uncreative to accomplish anything with his life, and falsely caiming that foreigners are treated better than Singaporeans. That is clearly not the case here, as returning Singaporeans are isolated in fancy hotels, while foreign construction workers are quarantined in abandoned and soon to be condemned HDBs. Stop the scapegoating. Pull together and defeat Rona.

 

It is not just returning Singaporeans who are isolated in fancy hotels. Returning Singaporeans, permanent residents and long term pass holders are to be isolated in hotels. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-shn-asean-france-india-switzerland-imported-community-12610172   Let this serve as a concrete example that an overseas education may not do much to a person's minds, and such mummy's girl can still remain to be an untalented and predictable lying troll

[Guest Guest]

45 minutes ago, Guest repeated said:

For Hongkong and Taiwan, the most specific reason why they were able to come out with a lower number of infections is, because they were able to contain the spread from onset as they quarantined infected persons immediately and placed them into a real single quarantine not mingling with other people. Taiwan did an extensive travel history research of people and went so far to research all their citizens who travelled to Wuhan and Hubei up to 20 December 2019  as early as in end of January 2020 and then tested those persons twice to verify if they are virus carriers or not. Taiwan even combined travel data available with personal data on record to search any potential spreaders and isolate them at early stage. Nonetheless, numbers of infections are increasing in Taiwan recently as well. 

 

Errrr .... you mean Singapore didn't do that? Singapore didn't "quarantined infected persons immediately" and we did not do any "extensive travel history research of people"??? And those are the reasons why you think countries like SK and HK did better than us?? 

 

 

47 minutes ago, Guest repeated said:

COVID-19 is believed to spread through respiratory droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes, or from coming into contact with an infected surface and then touching your eyes, nose or mouth. There’s some evidence that COVID-19 may also be transmitted through much smaller airborne droplets in “very specific circumstances and settings,” such as “aerosolising” medical procedures. When it comes to masks, this distinction between droplets and aerosolisation is important, because surgical masks and homemade masks cannot prevent airborne transmission, while N95 respirators can

 

Why are we bringing aerosols and N95 masks into the picture, when we know droplets are the most obvious means of virus transmission at this moment of time? Trying to do a distraction? 

 

 

51 minutes ago, Guest repeated said:

The sentence mentioned in a different post this morning: Wearing a surgical mask can prevent droplets from hitting you one centimeter away is clearly wrong and a dangerous advice because surgical masks do not prevent droplets to soak through the textile of the mask into the face, once they are worn out or stained.

 

And you have a problem with that advise above, but you have no problem with the advise ""healthy people do not need to wear mask"? 

 

 

 

55 minutes ago, Guest repeated said:

masks by the Taiwanese government were only distributed to schools and universities and not to the complete population.

 

Are you sure the masks were distributed only to schools and universities by the Taiwanese government?? As early as 6 Feb, Taiwan already put in steps to ensure that every Taiwanese can have access to masks using their National Health Insurance Administration (NHI) cards.   https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/ZlJrIunqRjM49LIBn8p6eA?typeid=158

 

 

 

 

 

[lonelyglobe]

Sorry to say but all these who try to challenge the police are either brainless or brain damaged,  defeat the purpose of CB and only give them a valid reason for a full lock down. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by lonelyglobe

[Guest Guest]

9 April 287 cases!

 

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/singapore/story20200409-1044261?utm_source=ZB_iPhone&utm_medium=share

[Guest Juxtaposed Yourself]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

It is not just returning Singaporeans who are isolated in fancy hotels. Returning Singaporeans, permanent residents and long term pass holders are to be isolated in hotels.

 

Permanent Residents and Long Term Pass Holders have chosen to live and make their lives in Singapore and are not foreigners in the sense that temporary workers are. Take your sniveling bitchass xenophobia, as well as your constant attempted othering, and shove all of it up your dildo-enlarged incel ass.

[Guest Guest]

5 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

9 April 287 cases!

 

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/singapore/story20200409-1044261?utm_source=ZB_iPhone&utm_medium=share

 

我国新增287起冠病病例 过半来自S11榜鹅客工宿舍感染群

 

Told you guys it wasn't an isolation site, but a "virus incubation ground" for release of the virus at the end of the 14 days already ...  

[Guest Guest]

 

2 hours ago, Guest Juxtaposed Yourself said:

Let this serve as a concrete example to the lying troll who keeps blaming foreigners for all of his personal failures, because he was too untalented and too uncreative to accomplish anything with his life, and falsely caiming that foreigners are treated better than Singaporeans. That is clearly not the case here, as returning Singaporeans are isolated in fancy hotels, while foreign construction workers are quarantined in abandoned and soon to be condemned HDBs. Stop the scapegoating. Pull together and defeat Rona.

 

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

It is not just returning Singaporeans who are isolated in fancy hotels. Returning Singaporeans, permanent residents and long term pass holders are to be isolated in hotels. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-shn-asean-france-india-switzerland-imported-community-12610172   Let this serve as a concrete example that an overseas education may not do much to a person's minds, and such mummy's girl can still remain to be an untalented and predictable lying troll

 

13 minutes ago, Guest Juxtaposed Yourself said:

 

Permanent Residents and Long Term Pass Holders have chosen to live and make their lives in Singapore and are not foreigners in the sense that temporary workers are. Take your sniveling bitchass xenophobia, as well as your constant attempted othering, and shove all of it up your dildo-enlarged incel ass.

 

 

Right ... I guess they will be voting together with us in the coming elections, huh? Got caught lying and now trying very hard to shift the goalpost? Goalpost heavy or not? LOL!  

 

 

[Guest Juxtaposed Yourself]

2 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Right ... I guess they will be voting together with us in the coming elections, huh? Got caught lying and now trying very hard to shift the goalpost? Goalpost heavy or not? LOL! 

 

Children can't vote. They are Singaporeans. Prisoners can't vote. They are Singaporeans. If you want to waste your life trying to play Sherlock, go to Wuhan and sniff out the "true origin" of Rona, and if you survive (hope not) you could finally make a meaningful contribution to the world because typing rubbish on Blowing Wind does not count.

[lonelyglobe]

20 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

我国新增287起冠病病例 过半来自S11榜鹅客工宿舍感染群

 

Told you guys it wasn't an isolation site, but a "virus incubation ground" for release of the virus at the end of the 14 days already ...  

is SG version of the diamond princess cruise,  die liao,  full lock down coming soon... 

[Guest Guest]

A bit of old news here but I don't see anyone posting it . Here's some support from our banks for those with Home Loans from them: 

 

https://www.ocbc.com/personal-banking/loans/home-loans.page 

"Apply to defer payments for the principal, or both the principal and interest on your home loan if you have not missed more than 3 months of instalment payment. The deferment period is until 31 December 2020. You may also opt to extend your loan tenure by the corresponding number of months that your loan payment has been deferred."

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/dbs-unveils-3rd-round-of-coronavirus-relief-including-home-loan-deferment-for-individuals

DBS Bank retail customers will be able to defer their mortgage repayment for the rest of the year and convert their outstanding credit to a loan of up to five years.

 

 

https://www.uobgroup.com/web-resources/uobgroup/pdf/faqs-on-uob-property-loan-payment-relief-assistance.pdf

Property loan customers are allowed to defer their payment of monthly installments until 31 December 2020 (deferment period). The mortgage tenure will be extended by up to the corresponding deferment period. For example, if you start the payment deferment in May 2020, your deferment period is 8 months to December 2020

[lonelyglobe]

On 4/4/2020 at 10:51 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Jesus Christ,  more dormitory kena and what are they doing,  still let them stay there and infect one another? Move them to budget hotel or set up camp in school,  all worker must be tested and shown negative before they can move back. Time to wake up and do something before SGH became BGH. 

Didn't we know this will happen? Who is the one so clever to quarantine them in dormitory? 

[Guest Guest]

9 minutes ago, Guest Juxtaposed Yourself said:

 

Children can't vote. They are Singaporeans. Prisoners can't vote. They are Singaporeans. If you want to waste your life trying to play Sherlock, go to Wuhan and sniff out the "true origin" of Rona, and if you survive (hope not) you could finally make a meaningful contribution to the world because typing rubbish on Blowing Wind does not count.

 

So much for your "overseas education" and all your attempts to "expose" Donald Trump, when you can't even handle the simple universal truth of the virus origins and still need to "go to Wuhan and sniff out the "true origin"?? Talking about "life wasting", you are a pathetic time waster 🤦‍♂️  

[Guest Guest]

9 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

Didn't we know this will happen? Who is the one so clever to quarantine them in dormitory? 

 

Maybe the one who told us we do not need a lot of space for sex .... 

[Guest repeated]

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Errrr .... you mean Singapore didn't do that? Singapore didn't "quarantined infected persons immediately" and we did not do any "extensive travel history research of people"??? And those are the reasons why you think countries like SK and HK did better than us?? 

 

Why are we bringing aerosols and N95 masks into the picture, when we know droplets are the most obvious means of virus transmission at this moment of time? Trying to do a distraction? 

 

And you have a problem with that advise above, but you have no problem with the advise ""healthy people do not need to wear mask"? 

 

Are you sure the masks were distributed only to schools and universities by the Taiwanese government?? As early as 6 Feb, Taiwan already put in steps to ensure that every Taiwanese can have access to masks using their National Health Insurance Administration (NHI) cards.   https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/ZlJrIunqRjM49LIBn8p6eA?typeid=158

 

 

I did not refer to South Korea at all. 

I don't appreciate if others try to add things into my posts, I never said or spoke about or single out pieces from my posts.

Singapore initially did not quarantine incoming travelers into quarantine centers, where they stay without any contact to any other person. I wrote this already in my post from evening. Dun intend to repeat again. Read it again please and read all. 

 

It seems you did not understand the scientific background of people being already sick and coughing/sneezing and those being carriers of covid but not being sick and coughing, the positive carriers who are not yet sick by "flu symptoms" spread the virus by breathing and speaking in aerosol manner.  You don't think in the length required to understand this issue, the problematic spreaders are those who run around undetected but are covid positive. Surgical face masks are not sufficient to "capture" the virus in these aerosol scenarios (breathing and speaking). Only N95 masks are able to capture the aerosol particles, but not surgical face masks. These asymptomatic cases are the ones causing main concern recently. Second, to be safe from the aerosol scenarios of spreading, safe distancing is very relevant.  I think you don't understand the issue involved.  If you don't understand this I tried my best to explain. Maybe read what I wrote again if you still don't get it. Eventually you can. 

 

The advice on "healthy people not to wear mask" is not from me. I never voiced this anywhere. Why do you write as if I had said this anywhere? Please do not make me look like I gave this advice at any of my posts. This is not fair. 

The advice should go not to come near to anyone by 1cm in these times, because in such near proximity you can be easily hit by the virus even when you wear a surgical face mask (non N95 type).  From that viewpoint that advice is already critical. Keep sufficient distance to others. 

 

You never mentioned for Taiwan having a complete healthcare system similar to National Health Service (NHS) in the UK. There is full health coverage for the Taiwan citizens. The article summarized all actions by the Taiwan Government. 

Taiwan did not impose a must to wear masks. But at early stage masks were distributed to Schools and universities.

By late February, Taipei had distributed nearly 6.5 million masks to primary and secondary schools, as well as after-school institutions, plus 84,000 liters of hand sanitizer and 25,000 forehead thermometers.

I would assume people did not collect the masks at the centers, then the government decided to distribute the masks to students directly. Why should they do that, if Taiwanese can collect the masks? 

 

I read the link you gave on the face mask distribution in Taiwan from 6 February. 

The reason for the face mask distribution by the Taiwanese Government through the new channels created by the Taiwan Centre for Disease Control was for the government having first seized all face masks in the market from convenience stores. Masks were no longer available at shops in Taiwan. They wanted to avoid rich people buying up all masks or hoarders (and resellers later at excessive prices)  and to ensure equal distribution to everyone in Taiwan. 

 

Quotation:

1.    Convenience stores will stop selling the face masks requisitioned by the government to fulfill livelihood needs starting from February 4.

 

If you read the article from my post, the distribution to schools and universities only took place in end of February. 

 

Still Taiwan did not make wearing a face mask obligatory at that stage. 

Taiwan made wearing face masks mandatory for public transport on 4 April but there is still no general mandatory obligation wear masks outside the house, even when they seem to have sufficient stock of face masks.  

 

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Starting on April 4, Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) stations and buses in Taipei and New Taipei must refuse entry to passengers not wearing masks to protect against the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), according to the Taipei City Government.

 

Interesting to note, they still call it the Wuhan Coronavirus. 

[Guest Gay United]

People please be responsible.  STOP cruising or hookup for sex with any stranger to stop the spread of COVID19.  The Personal in this forum should be closed too.

[Guest Frozen Queer Queen]

8 minutes ago, Guest Gay United said:

People please be responsible.  STOP cruising or hookup for sex with any stranger to stop the spread of COVID19.  The Personal in this forum should be closed too.

super agree about this! 
 

look at all those home-based massage still operating on the sly! 
 

best thing is there are even services for handjobs done in cars which are complained about! 

[singalion]

On 4/4/2020 at 7:27 PM, singalion said:

Please guys, let's be fair. These Indian and Bangladeshi workers got infected at their workplaces and dormitory in Singapore. These are all local infections and not any "imported" infections, meaning the guys did not travel overseas and came back to Singapore infected.

These Indian and Bangla workers don't have the monies to fly back home and return to Singapore, probably their work permit doesn't even allow them to leave Singapore during their term.

 

4 hours ago, Guest Juxtaposed Yourself said:

Let this serve as a concrete example to the lying troll who keeps blaming foreigners for all of his personal failures, because he was too untalented and too uncreative to accomplish anything with his life, and falsely caiming that foreigners are treated better than Singaporeans. That is clearly not the case here, as returning Singaporeans are isolated in fancy hotels, while foreign construction workers are quarantined in abandoned and soon to be condemned HDBs. Stop the scapegoating. Pull together and defeat Rona.

 

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

It is not just returning Singaporeans who are isolated in fancy hotels. Returning Singaporeans, permanent residents and long term pass holders are to be isolated in hotels. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-shn-asean-france-india-switzerland-imported-community-12610172   Let this serve as a concrete example that an overseas education may not do much to a person's minds, and such mummy's girl can still remain to be an untalented and predictable lying troll

 

Please do not confuse again: the Bangladeshi and Tamils did not get infected by other Bangladeshi or Tamil workers who travelled from their countries into Singapore (like those returning Singaporeans and Residents) but were infected by the virus already spreading within Singapore in their workplaces or at the dormitory through an infection from another Worker (Community Spreading). From these first infections within the Bangladeshi and Tamil Workers for sure, the spread at the dormitories was escalated due to the nature of their living conditions. 

 

Don't put these hard working people into the same box as some Wuhan tourists who travelled to Singapore and spread the virus in January. 

The Bangladeshi and Tamils had the unfortunate incident to be infected here in Singapore more or less by accident. 

 

I am aware of plenty of mostly not justified prejudices against these workers by the Singaporeans, but just lets stay fair. 

 

There have been better educated Singaporeans, who acted much more negligent and maybe very stupid (Bak Kut Teh!) than these Workers. 

 

Their numbers are high and infections might get out of control in their communities. 

Let's hope for the best. 

 

 

[Kimochi]

Park exercise?  LEAVE  AT LEAST 10 METERS GAP WHILE JOGGING 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/coronavirus-keep-at-least-10m-away-if-running-behind-someone-to-avoid-infection-say?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1586432175

[LickinGood]

For those taking buses ... 

[leo yok loo]

11 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Didn't we know this will happen? Who is the one so clever to quarantine them in dormitory? 

They always wait for it to happen then act..

Eg : now ask ppl wear mask and they themselves also wear. Big "U" turn.

Maybe ask all construction workers stay istana, big place, nice garden and very near to hospitals. Our beloved president can do the cooking also, for 20k pax.

[fab]

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/RNz1fmKJCWxceilshs31AA

 

激增287例，累计1910 | 新加坡上万人不听话，抗疫援助50亿恐打水漂！

新加坡眼 Yesterday

 ｜关注“新加坡眼”，输入“9”获得生活黄页信息｜   截至今天（4月9日）中午12点，新加坡新增287例新冠确诊病例，创单日新高！累计确诊达1910人，累计死亡6人。  

今天确诊的本地感染284个病例中，超过一半来自S11榜鹅客工宿舍感染群。有219起与之前确诊感染群或病例有关，有46起目前与其他病例暂无关联。加护病房的病患为29人。   邻国方面，马来西亚今天新增109例，累计4228例。印尼新增337例，累计3292例。菲律宾今增206例，累计4076例。泰国新增54例，累计2423例。  

  从今天（4月9日）起，对于违反新加坡抗疫措施的人，有关当局不会进行劝导，而是直接发警告信。   “断路器”抗疫措施才开跑两天，就有上万人不遵守条例而获书面劝告，还有继续营业的非必要服务商店遭勒令关店。   （被剪断的隔离带，图片来源：坚果先生）   环境及水源部长马善高也在脸书发帖，说现在还是太多人聚集了！并附上了一张一群人打太极的图片：   （照片来源：马善高FB）   今天，有近百名Grab司机为了领取送餐装备，在Grab总部外排队，而且大家都没有保持安全距离，警察出动三辆警车到场劝诫，现在Grab总部已关闭。   （照片来源：Singapore Election News Portal）   根据环境及水源部发布的文告，“断路器”抗疫措施实施的头两天，共有三人接到严厉警告，约一万人收到书面劝告。   大部分书面劝告在小贩中心、巴刹和组屋公共空间发出，其中3000多份是在昨日发出。   文告透露，有三人屡劝不听，接到警告。其中包括一名男子在红山弄第89座组屋，坐在划上“禁坐标记”的座位上用餐。当执法人员要求他离开时，他却移动到另一张桌子继续用餐。  

  国家环境局也在昨日早餐和午餐时段在巴刹发出307个书面劝告，在熟食中心发出611个书面劝告。     根据国家环境局发布的文告，有公众因在巴杀摊位购物时没有遵守安全距离而接获书面劝告，有的公众则因坐在熟食中心用餐区或没有与他人保持一米距离而接获劝告。   截至昨天，环境局已在15个巴刹落实人流控管措施，还将推行至环境局或环境局委任管理业者的另外25个巴刹，这些多为人潮多的巴刹，约占全岛半数巴刹。   （因违反规定，而被警察劝诫的老人。照片来源：马善高FB）   另外，在4月7日，有十个提供非必要服务的商家如常开门营业，被执法人员勒令关店。这些商家包括：中医零售店、保健与美容产品店、钱币兑换商、手机店、消费电子零售店、厨具和文具店。     当局已向他们发出口头警告，如果继续无视规定，将面对罚款或暂停运营的惩罚。   在“断路器“实施的第一天，当局也共派出200多名安全距离大使和职员，到全岛近1万零700家经营餐饮、零售和旅游业务的商店，展开执法行动。他们接下来会加强执法，并会毫不犹豫地对违规商家采取行动。   （图片来源：马善高FB）   环境及水源部长马善高表示，从即日（4月9日）起，如果执法人员发现有公众不遵守“断路器”条例，如在公共场合聚会等，会面临严重后果。   第一次触犯：立即发出警告信 第二次触犯：罚款300新币 第三次触犯：被控上法庭   （以后不会见到这么温柔的劝告场景了......）   为保证政府的抗疫措施可以有效实施，昨天新加坡国会神速通过《Covid-19 (Temporary Measures) Bill》（冠病临时措施法案）。   凡是违反该法案的人，如果是属初犯，将会面对最多1万新币的罚款或不超过6个月的刑期，或两者兼施。重犯会面对最多2万新币的罚款、不超过12个月的监禁，或两者兼施。   马善高也在脸书贴文中呼吁大家，不要浪费专门为“断路器”措施而设立的“同舟共济预算案”：“断路器”措施已落实两天了，如果大家继续这样，所有人的牺牲和50亿的“同舟共济预算案”都是徒劳。  

  51亿新币的“同舟共济预算案”，是新加坡在两个月以内推出的第三轮经济援助。加上之前两轮的措施，新加坡已经为新冠疫情拨款高达599亿新币，占GDP的12%。   其中，后两个预算案共动用210亿新币的国家储备金。今天，总统哈莉玛正式签字批准两个动用国家储备金的预算案。   （哈莉玛带着口罩签字）   哈莉玛强调，预算案批准后，政府尽快落实配套。同时，她也呼吁社会大众负起责任，遵守抗疫措施，共度难关。

 

今天，新加坡总理李显龙与新西兰总理阿德恩通电话，交流两国的抗疫方针。他随后在脸书上发帖，说新西兰是在阻断措施实施11天后，疫情才缓和下来，而新加坡现在才是第三天，未来还有很长的路要走。

 

需要大家配合政府的抗疫措施，希望到第11天来临的时候，在新加坡的我们也能看到一定的效果......

 

 

 

新加坡眼评论

 

 

新加坡政府的策略自始至终是压平峰值，而非遏止传播。早在2月8日的电视讲话中，总理李显龙就说，“如果确诊病例数字持续增加，病毒仍在传播，情势恶化到医院已经无力收治所有感染者的情况时，新加坡就得考虑改变措施了”。   这是因为认为病毒传播不可能遏止。即便遏止了第一波，也会有第二波（当前）、第三波、第四波。既然选择的是压平峰值，那么，“封城”是越晚越好。那么，最晚什么时候该开始封呢？   封的时机是：如果不封，再过10-14天就发展到无法控制的病例数，到了这个时候，就不得不封。   4月7日执行”断路器”系列措施，如果效果好，峰值大概会出现在4月17-21日之间。换句话说，如果4月上旬出现每天一两百例，那么，到了4月21日如果达到4000例以上，并不让人感到意外。政府之所以紧急启动新加坡博览中心“方舱医院”和红山弄空置组屋等地为客工宿舍，肯定是从病例和追查数据预见到病例将大幅上升。   如果“断路器”系列措施奏效，到了4月21日之后新增病例应该下降。经过第二个10-14天潜伏期，到了5月初就应该回到可控水平。所谓“可控”，并非完全遏止，而是不对医疗资源形成挤兑。   这个策略的一个基本认知是疫情中心会在全球范围内流转，新加坡作为高度开放的经济体和航空、航运枢纽，而且处于赤道，无论季节如何变化，南北半球往来的商旅都会把病毒带到新加坡。加上缺乏战略纵深，新加坡躲无可躲，不可能每一次疫情来袭就封城，所以，唯一可行的策略恐怕就是压平峰值。   让我们再次回顾李显龙2月8日的讲话。在那次讲话中，他也说，如果新冠病致死率与流感差不多，而情势恶化到医院已经无力收治所有感染者的情况时，那么新加坡政府会改变措施，鼓励轻症患者去看家庭全科医生，然后在家休息治疗，从而把紧张的医院资源留给那些对病毒更缺乏抵抗力的人群，比如老人、孩童和有并发症的人群。   《环球网》2月9日的一篇评论认为，这个与中国政府高层多次强调的底线思维很相似。   目前，新加坡并未陷落到李显龙2月8日所提出的底线。政府的策略是一步步来，而非“一下掐死”。这是因为它认为“一下掐死”的话，病毒还没消灭，这个国家和社会就先完了。即便国家和社会这次捱过去了，等到下一波国际传播来袭时，新加坡仍受不了再一次的“一下掐死”。   至于这个策略的判断是否准确，以及这个策略是否成效，有待5月4日“断路器”系列措施效果观察。就目前而言，唯一肯定的是，如果仍有人不当回事，肯定浪费大部分人的努力和付出。政府对这些人不会手软，人们也不会答应。从今天（4月9日）起，执法人员发现公众聚集在公共场所，将立即发出警告信，然后将之驱离。我们推测，政府很可能将之升级，再过几天可能就直接开罚单或发传票，而不是只给警告信了。   乱世用重典，雷厉风行是必须的。   接下来几天若有愈加严厉的新措施，我们丝毫不感意外。

[Guest Guest]

14 hours ago, Guest repeated said:

I did not refer to South Korea at all. 

 

It was meant to read "And those are the reasons why you think countries like TW (SK) and HK did better than us?"  as in accordance to your context. (But in any case, SK also did a much better job in controlling the spread than us anyway).

 

14 hours ago, Guest repeated said:

It seems you did not understand the scientific background of people being already sick and coughing/sneezing and those being carriers of covid but not being sick and coughing, the positive carriers who are not yet sick by "flu symptoms" spread the virus by breathing and speaking in aerosol manner.  You don't think in the length required to understand this issue, the problematic spreaders are those who run around undetected but are covid positive. Surgical face masks are not sufficient to "capture" the virus in these aerosol scenarios (breathing and speaking). Only N95 masks are able to capture the aerosol particles, but not surgical face masks. These asymptomatic cases are the ones causing main concern recently.

 

Are you very sure that "These asymptomatic cases are the ones causing main concern recently"?? You mean to say that all the way at the beginning, the asymptomatic cases were not causing any concerns? If that is the case. this COVID19 virus must be very very special. Most viruses, including that of the HIV, are most contagious during the incubation period when the patients are newly infected and asymptomatic. In fact, any gay person with basic medical sense would know that HIV patients can be the most contagious during the first few weeks before the symptoms sets in. (https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/what_is/stages_hiv_infection.html)  This is common knowledge ever since HIV spread throughout USA since the 1980s due to asymptomatic cases. And yet, you and WHO needs to re-learn this common sense lesson from this COVID19 experience, and you can come claim that "These asymptomatic cases are the ones causing main concern recently" as if it wasn't the case at the beginning?? 

 

 

14 hours ago, Guest repeated said:

Second, to be safe from the aerosol scenarios of spreading, safe distancing is very relevant.  

 

My oh my!!! Are yu saying that it is spread by aerosols now?? Look at what MOH said on 11 Feb: "https://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/no-evidence-coronavirus-can-be-spread-through-aerosol-moh"  Did MOH gave out bad advise again???? 

 

Or are you, in your own words, trying to "pretend to be omnipotent and omniscient the sort of Know it Alls and Jack of all Trades but turn out to be the Master of none"? And in your own words, you are apparently "no scientist from the way (you) writes and just a simple layman. Still (you) dares to lean (your) head very far out of the window."??

 

So which one is it? 

 

14 hours ago, Guest repeated said:

The advice on "healthy people not to wear mask" is not from me. I never voiced this anywhere. Why do you write as if I had said this anywhere? Please do not make me look like I gave this advice at any of my posts. This is not fair.

 

Good that you clarify that you are not discouraging people from wearing mask. We differ from our views as to which one is more important: social distancing or mask wearing. From the way you are pushing social distancing as a "better" means to prevent the spread with statements such as  "Distancing is much more important (than wearing a mask) because the aerosols will not reach the other person if sufficient distance to an infected person has been kept", it comes across as undermining the importance of wearing masks.

 

Besides, your own statement already stated that distancing is only effective "if sufficient distance to an infected person has been kept".  It takes two parties to work for the distancing to be kept, but it only take one party to put on your own mask.  Even if YOU want to keep your distance, are you sure you can prevent OTHERS from approaching you? And if YOU are to put on your own mask, can any OTHER people prevent you from doing so? So which one do you think will be more effective in the prevention of the virus spread? 

 

This is again basic common sense. You don't need to be an "expert" to know that. 

 

14 hours ago, Guest repeated said:

You never mentioned for Taiwan having a complete healthcare system similar to National Health Service (NHS) in the UK. There is full health coverage for the Taiwan citizens. The article summarized all actions by the Taiwan Government. 

 

(blah blah blah blah blah)

 

If you read the article from my post, the distribution to schools and universities only took place in end of February. 

 

As long as your lies about "masks by the Taiwanese government were only distributed to schools and universities and  not to the complete population" has been debunked, there's really no need to write so much nonsensical distractions here. 

[Kimochi]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11360637/video-runners-breath-spread-coronavirus/

 

Leave at least 10 meters during exercising outside 

[Guest Guest]

Comparing to another similar congested city HK , their daily infected rates are 20/30+ daily while here is 100/200+ daily .....it’s ridiculous.....they also rely lots of foreign construction workers too , but no such dorm clusters! Someone is getting high salary and not doing a proper job ! Horrendous leadership  .....it shows HK is actually much cleaner and well maintain than here .

Actually , HK rules and regulations are much stricter than here .

[lonelyglobe]

Over confident or simply self complacency, when the first case strike in dormitory and work place in Feb ,  they should already tighten their belt and not until when disaster strikes. 

 

It is ok to receive first world pay but that also mean deliver first world result and not a third world result. Always wonder if we had that Taiwan team in- charge here  In SG today,  will we be ended up with 1900 over cases or still less than 400 cases? And yes,  they are doing a good job so far with much lower pay.

Edited April 10, 2020 by lonelyglobe

[leo yok loo]

2 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Over confident or simply self complacency, when the first case strike in dormitory and work place in Feb ,  they should already tighten their belt and not until when disaster strikes. 

 

It is ok to receive first world pay but that also mean deliver first world result and not a third world result. Always wonder if we had that Taiwan team in- charge here  In SG today,  will we be ended up with 1900 over cases or still less than 400 cases? And yes,  they are doing a good job so far with much lower pay.

I heard all these dorm are operated by some companies(private/listed) and is making good profit.   Just curious who are the bosses behind.

I think is good if they could come out and say something...maybe apologise.

[Guest XXX]

10 minutes ago, leo yok loo said:

I heard all these dorm are operated by some companies(private/listed) and is making good profit.   Just curious who are the bosses behind.

I think is good if they could come out and say something...maybe apologise.

since you’re interested, the Operators of these worker dormitories could be found here

https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/work-permit-for-foreign-worker/housing/foreign-worker-dormitories#/

 

[Guest Guest]

12 minutes ago, Guest XXX said:

since you’re interested, the Operators of these worker dormitories could be found here

https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permits/work-permit-for-foreign-worker/housing/foreign-worker-dormitories#/

 

 

How come the now famous S11 Punggol one is not listed inside? Not licensed one huh? 

[Guest Guest]

30 minutes ago, leo yok loo said:

I heard all these dorm are operated by some companies(private/listed) and is making good profit.   Just curious who are the bosses behind.

I think is good if they could come out and say something...maybe apologise.

 

Got grassroot leaders one hor, not that simpur.

 

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2020/04/09/foreign-worker-dormitories-with-active-covid-19-clusters-linked-to-pa-grassroots-leaders/

[Guest repeated]

I m not willing to associate myself with your desperate attempts to criticize the Singaporean Government by wrongly citing or misinterpreting the content of my posts.  

 

Being overly petty and a word quibbler, it is troublesome to having repeatedly to note your lack of understanding and comprehension of simple matters.

 

Lastly, your desperate attempts to identify others as liars when somebody simply rebuts the content of your posts is getting ridiculous and quite boring to the rest of BW.

What is the intention of any such behaviour? To pretend all what you post is the only truth?

Me and others have vastly shown to all BW users the huge amount of misstatements and the evident in-accurateness in various of your posts.

 

On the part of the spreading of the virus, you can't come with HIV because it is (mostly) sexually transmitted and not by simply breathing or getting a bunch of droplets into the face from a Covid19 infected person. The virus spread is too different to compare these scenarios and putting up this wrong analogy demonstrates your lack of understanding of Covid19.

You forgot to mention at the onset of Covid19 the transmission of the virus through aerosol particles was denied and the focus had been made by infections caused from droplets after sneezing and coughing.

Newer research has lead to different conclusions. I made very clear at my posts for having referred to the most recent research results but I assume you must have neglected to see this.

The same applies to the distancing recommendations resulting from the new research papers. This is new information.

But I sense you still did not understand the issues with wearing of a mask by uninfected persons which I after so many attempts must attribute to your general lack of comprehension skills. I will not repeat the topic again as I already vastly pointed out the dangers of solely relying on mask wearing as preventive measure against any Covid19 infection and the requirement for safe distancing to keep any transmission by aerosols at bay.

If you simply intend to deny the new findings, it appears in the discussion with you as if I am talking to a wall.

I assume the majority of BW readers had been able to understand the innate differences on spreading through droplets and through aerosols and what the new research findings were referring to.

 

Do you know the difference of handing out masks to a certain part of the population and the self collection of masks at certain locations made available by the Government?

There is no misstatement in any of my previous post as by end of February 20 masks were distributed to schools and universities, but in contrast to this no masks were handed out to the complete population. The Government of Taiwan did not distribute the masks directly to everyone or send the masks to the houses, businesses etc of each person, entity etc.

For the complete population having not received any masks directly distributed to them (like for the schools and universities) the masks had to be self collected.

I am sorry if you do not see the difference but I did not make any wrong statement. Distribution or handing out to concerned parts of the population and requesting citizens to self collect masks at certain centers makes a big difference.

As such the Government of Taiwan did not distribute the masks to every citizen but requested the majority of citizens to self collect these masks at certain centers.

Do you get it now???

 

On 4/9/2020 at 6:04 PM, Guest repeated said:

Here is a good article to read by what means Taiwan was able to contain the virus better than other countries:

https://www.businessinsider.sg/coronavirus-taiwan-case-study-rapid-response-containment-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

 

But do note: An obligation to wear face masks was not imposed by Taiwan and masks by the Taiwanese government were only distributed to schools and universities and not to the complete population.

 

21 hours ago, Guest repeated said:

You never mentioned for Taiwan having a complete healthcare system similar to National Health Service (NHS) in the UK. There is full health coverage for the Taiwan citizens. The article summarized all actions by the Taiwan Government. 

Taiwan did not impose a must to wear masks. But at early stage masks were distributed to Schools and universities.

By late February, Taipei had distributed nearly 6.5 million masks to primary and secondary schools, as well as after-school institutions, plus 84,000 liters of hand sanitizer and 25,000 forehead thermometers.

I would assume people did not collect the masks at the centers, then the government decided to distribute the masks to students directly. Why should they do that, if Taiwanese can collect the masks? 

 

I read the link you gave on the face mask distribution in Taiwan from 6 February. 

The reason for the face mask distribution by the Taiwanese Government through the new channels created by the Taiwan Centre for Disease Control was for the government having first seized all face masks in the market from convenience stores. Masks were no longer available at shops in Taiwan. They wanted to avoid rich people buying up all masks or hoarders (and resellers later at excessive prices)  and to ensure equal distribution to everyone in Taiwan. 

 

Quotation:

1.    Convenience stores will stop selling the face masks requisitioned by the government to fulfill livelihood needs starting from February 4.

 

If you read the article from my post, the distribution to schools and universities only took place in end of February. 

 

Still Taiwan did not make wearing a face mask obligatory at that stage. 

Taiwan made wearing face masks mandatory for public transport on 4 April but there is still no general mandatory obligation wear masks outside the house, even when they seem to have sufficient stock of face masks.  

 

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Starting on April 4, Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) stations and buses in Taipei and New Taipei must refuse entry to passengers not wearing masks to protect against the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), according to the Taipei City Government.

 

By trying to appear as the smart alec in BW and your hobby in examination of every word in posts of others, you trap yourself in ridiculousness and self embarrassment to BW.

 

I will not revert to this subject any more as I do not intend to bore BW with repetitive explanations as I assume for the majority on BW having already sufficiently understood the points raised in my previous posts. If you didn't understand the content of my posts, then there is nothing further I can do.

 

[Guest easier]

1 hour ago, Since u r here said:

 

 

why not just copy the picture over? not all use Facebook, make it easy for us.

 

[leo yok loo]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Got grassroot leaders one hor, not that simpur.

 

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2020/04/09/foreign-worker-dormitories-with-active-covid-19-clusters-linked-to-pa-grassroots-leaders/

Oh i see...now i understand..grassroot leaders.......no wonder so well managed hor.

客工有救了

谢天谢地。

[lonelyglobe]

I smell fishy stuff... Great,  haven't lost the sense of smell which is a symptoms of covid 19.

[DerekTan1970]

Does anyone know if it is legal for my company to force me to take my annual leave during circuit breaker period while I am working from home? I am already taking NPL this month.