All about Covid-19 Discussion in Singapore (compiled)

[lonelyglobe]

 

https://www.gov.sg/article/what-do-the-different-dorscon-levels-mean

 

Didn't we match all the criteria listed for dorscon level - RED? 

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/558-of-623-new-coronavirus-cases-in-singapore-are-foreign-workers-from-dormitories

 

What is worrying :

 

- only 1% of the total 323,000 workers are infected, if we use the 20% infection rate for diamond princess cruise,  that will be a potential 60,000, even if 10%, that will be 30,000.

 

- 31% of the 623 are unlinked and MOH have admitted that it is increasingly difficult to conduct tracing. Seriously, do we even have enough native speaker or translator to get the job done. 

 

- 22 out of 43 dormitories are active clusters, meaning another potential 50% new clusters. 

 

Not just that ... "S11 Dormitory @ Punggol, Singapore's largest cluster, added another 144 patients and is now linked to 1,123 cases."...

 

Last time, just 20 over cases alone was enough reasons for them to impose the 14 days SHN on the entire dormitory. Now with more and more cases discovered, it only make sense for  the SHN to be extended by at least another 2 weeks, or maybe even a month! That only make sense, otherwise the spread of the virus will not be contained in the dormitory alone, it will spread throughout the community again!

 

Tolong .... please do something about it soon before the SHN at the dorms expires

 

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[jlone]

5 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

We are all color blind except those people dressed in white. 

They still want to act tough!

[Guest Guest]

9 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

 

https://www.gov.sg/article/what-do-the-different-dorscon-levels-mean

 

Didn't we match all the criteria listed for dorscon level - RED? 

 

Vaguely remember they said something like we don’t have a lot of death cases yet, and we are still containing it with no community spread (despite the hundreds of unlinked cases). It really makes us look damn incompetent and stupid internationally with all the fanfare and ‘gold standard’ labels. The workers dorm condition already show the can of worms under our beautiful Persian rug.

[leo yok loo]

9 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

 

https://www.gov.sg/article/what-do-the-different-dorscon-levels-mean

 

Didn't we match all the criteria listed for dorscon level - RED? 

No....we are not in RED yet...very serious then RED.  Now still can go jogging so still ORANGE, maybe apple or lemon, but never RED.

 

[Guest Guest]

Chinese Coronavirus Is a Man Made Virus According to Luc Montagnier the Man Who Discovered HIV

 

In a challenging question Dr Jean-François Lemoine inferred that the coronavirus under investigation may have come from a patient who is otherwise infected with HIV. No, “says Luc Montagnier,” in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory.

 

https://www.gilmorehealth.com/chinese-coronavirus-is-a-man-made-virus-according-to-luc-montagnier-the-man-who-discovered-hiv/

[Guest Guest]

Scientists have strong evidence coronavirus originated naturally

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/scientists-strong-evidence-coronavirus-originated-naturally/story?id=70207409

[Guest Guest]

Shin Min Daily News 新明日报

截至今天中午12时，卫生部已初步确定本地新增 942 起2019冠状病毒疾病（COVID-19）确诊病例，再次创下单日新高。
多数病患是住在客工宿舍的客工。本地社区病例已减少至14人。
卫生部将在今晚稍迟时间发布的文告中提供更多详情。

 

https://www.facebook.com/357787027613216/posts/2910215409037019/

 

[Guest Guest]

46 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Shin Min Daily News 新明日报

截至今天中午12时，卫生部已初步确定本地新增 942 起2019冠状病毒疾病（COVID-19）确诊病例，再次创下单日新高。
多数病患是住在客工宿舍的客工。本地社区病例已减少至14人。
卫生部将在今晚稍迟时间发布的文告中提供更多详情。

 

https://www.facebook.com/357787027613216/posts/2910215409037019/

 

 

Just by doing the mass community testing in the dormitories is already discovering a few thousand infected foreign workers. How many will they find if they do the mass community testing in the entire population..?

 

 

[mate69]

Yes it will b unthinkable 

[Guest Guest]

We are not just the highest number of infected cases per million population in the whole of Asia. We are fast turning to be the highest number of cases in the whole of SEA now, with the possibility of becoming the highest Asia number getting very real. And we haven't even done the mass community testings in the entire population yet, just that in the foreign workers dormitories alone. 

 

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Deaths/ 1M pop	Total Tests	Tests/ 1M pop
World	2,259,681	+10,818	154,416	+271	578,359	1,526,906	57,136	290	19.8
S. Korea	10,653	+18	232	+2	7,937	2,484	55	208	5	546,463	10,659
Japan	9,787		190		935	8,662	193	77	2	100,703	796
Indonesia	6,248	+325	535	+15	631	5,082		23	2	37,134	136
Philippines	6,087	+209	397	+10	516	5,174	1	56	4	48,171	440
Singapore	5,992	+942	11		708	5,273	22	1,024	2	94,796	16,203

[Guest Guest]

17 minutes ago, Since u r here said:

Could u pls show us the exact links? I wanna see all the ctries below singapore

 

u may say that we are the highest in terms of daily cases too

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[lonelyglobe]

These so called 4G leaders GG liao... 

 

Continue to quarantine the workers risk the outbreak of a potential riots,  end the quarantine risk the number of confirmed cases skyrocketting, by tomoro SG will cross the 6000 mark and probably back to be the country with the highest confirmed cases In SEA although unofficially it may not be the case.

 

Gold standard in combating virus are gone but the world still can learn something from SG to avoid making same mistake and don't say things like "we didn't expect situation to turn out like that" , " if we have known earlier,  we would have do things differently"

 

If today this is a war like some mentioned,  you just can't set up frontal defence and then blame the enemy "why u all attack from the back? "

[singalion]

On 4/17/2020 at 2:09 PM, singalion said:

Yes, I am aware, I m known for my predictions and quite accurate guesses.

 

What I would propose at the moment to the Singapore Government is the following:

 

We got the lock down for the main population, infection rates are decreasing in these areas. They might be reduced to lower numbers soon. (Even if I predict an extension of the lock down for another 2 weeks).

 

To stop the spreading in the dormitories and within the Foreign worker communities it won't help to concentrate just on the "new" dorms, where a new infection has been discovered and declare these dorms to "isolation zones". The virus would have travelled already to other carriers in the Foreign Worker community. The interaction is still too much for those Foreign Workers who are still working in "essential" areas and I m sure some carrying the virus outside the other dorms are still walking around and causing new problems in other dorms or Foreign Worker work places. If not probably all Dormitories are going to be isolation zones soon...

 

You need to impose a (near to) total lock down for these still working Foreign workers asap.

 

Get the Foreign Workers out of any such replaceable jobs (as much as possible). Their living conditions make the spread of Corona virus too easy to continue on the high amount of infections.

 

Real isolation and stopping the intermingling of those Foreign Workers is now the word of the day! Take action!

 

 

CNA 18 Apr 2020 09:37PM

 

Singapore

COVID-19: All work permit and S pass holders in construction sector to be placed on stay-home notice

SINGAPORE: All work permit holders and S Pass holders in the construction sector will be placed on mandatory stay-home notices, announced the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) and the Building and Construction Authority (BCA) in a media release on Saturday (Apr 18).

This will take effect on Apr 20 and end on May 4, as a precautionary measure against the spread of COVID-19 in Singapore. 

 

"MOM is implementing this requirement on all workers in the construction sector as the highest number of infected cases have come from this sector and worksite transmissions have been a contributing factor," MOM and BCA said.

"The stay-home notices will help prevent further transmission of the virus between workers in the sector, across all housing types." [End of quotation].

 

 

I m not sure whether concentrating just on Foreign Workers and S Pass Holders in the construction sector will be sufficient to contain the further spread of Covid19 in the Foreign Worker communities. 

It would have been advisable to close down all other Foreign Workers operations (with excluding extremely necessary ones) in order to get the spread of the virus in control. Why is the start only planned in 2 days? This is too long.

This step by step policy, just concentrating on Construction and the start of measures costs too much time and causes too much spread of the virus. Be more active than simply reactive!

 

 

 

[bluerunner]

2 hours ago, Nightingale said:

Locked in bunk for 22 hours daily.  No WiFi.  

Uncle, do watch the news where the reporter interviewed a Bangla worker who is now residing in one of the gazettes isolated dorm. 
You are sending out incorrect info in your posting. Fake news! I wish POFMA will come after you soon. Sia suay. 

[Guest Guest]

Quote

 

Tuas View Dormitory: Cases 1473, 1539, 1996, 2071, ..., 5983, 5984, 5985, 5986, 6042, 6043, 6046, 6048 and 6051.

 

 

So many typos, haiz.

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Nightingale said:

 

Something wrong with your reading?

This was what Alex Au reported in the video after 14 mins. 50 secs.   You want POFMA to come after me?  Go ahead!

 

Alex Au is definitely a person that can be trusted.

 

I watched a video of him talking about the foreign workers.  (I don't know if it is the same you refer to).  The way this workers are EXPLOITED speaks very badly of Singapore.

Sufficiently bad that Singaporeans have no moral standing to criticize the way America treats the undocumented refugees from Central America. 

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, bluerunner said:

Uncle, do watch the news where the reporter interviewed a Bangla worker who is now residing in one of the gazettes isolated dorm. 
You are sending out incorrect info in your posting. Fake news! I wish POFMA will come after you soon. Sia suay. 

 

What is your problem in believing that the foreign workers are locked in with only 2 hours to leave their miserable bunks?

Are the conditions in your prisons better?  

But at least Singapore does not impose a MANDATORY DEATH SENTENCE on foreign workers, like it does to people found with some drugs  

[Guest Guest]

46 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Alex Au is definitely a person that can be trusted.

 

I watched a video of him talking about the foreign workers.  (I don't know if it is the same you refer to).  The way this workers are EXPLOITED speaks very badly of Singapore.

Sufficiently bad that Singaporeans have no moral standing to criticize the way America treats the undocumented refugees from Central America. 

 

the living conditions of these migrant workers in Singapore are already very good.

do you know how bad the conditions of migrant workers are in other countries?

 

during this lockdown period, the SG government provides them with free food, free wifi and they are still paid w/o having to work.

it's reported that the migrant workers in Malaysia are committing suicide as they have no income anymore and the neighbouring government is washing their hands off them totally.

 

migrant workers come to SG to work voluntarily, for better lives back home,

Singapore did not force them to come work here.

many locals get very upset when people say they are being exploited and SG treat them poorly,

in the first place we dun owe them a living.

[Steve5380]

I have now found the video Nightingale referred to.  Very informative!  I have also read some figures that makes me think of a solution:

 

There are now over 260,000 millionaires in Singapore.  And the population of foreign workers in distress is 200,000. 

 

The solution is that each millionaire takes care of ONE foreign worker and sees that he lives in a safe environment.

 

If it comes to money,  the 50 wealthiest people in Singapore have a combined net worth of  $130 billion  (this comes to an average of 2.6 billion each).

An emergency humanitarian charge of 1% of this wealth is $1.3 billion.    This amount divided by 20,000 workers is $65,000.

 

This is a lot of money to spend on ONE worker.  So let's reduce this to $10,000.   Times 20,000 this comes to 200 million, and this is 0.15% of the wealth of these 50 billionaires.

 

If 0.15% of the wealth of the 50 richest Singaporeans can solve the situation of the migrant workers,  why not go straight ahead with it ? 

 

[Steve5380]

8 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

the living conditions of these migrant workers in Singapore are already very good.

do you know how bad the conditions of migrant workers are in other countries?

 

during this lockdown period, the SG government provides them with free food, free wifi and they are still paid w/o having to work.

it's reported that the migrant workers in Malaysia are committing suicide as they have no income anymore and the neighbouring government is washing their hands off them totally.

 

migrant workers come to SG to work voluntarily, for better lives back home,

Singapore did not force them to come work here.

many locals get very upset when people say they are being exploited and SG treat them poorly,

in the first place we dun owe them a living.

 

Did you watch the video with Alex Au that Nightingale posted?   There is a lack of wifi in their dormitories, which house them so crammed together that their risk of infection is enormous, and their confinement is comparable to that of inmates in prisons. 

 

YOU were given free food and care without having to work when you were an infant.   Many of your foreign workers are in a similar condition of helplessness.  People not only in Singapore, but all over the world are in similar situations, and this is NO excuse for accepting these situations.  Now in America many of our pampered proud citizens face similar fates, and they are already protesting and rebelling like children.  YOUR foreign workers are not rebelling, they seem to be responsible individuals who accept their situation, and this attitude calls even more for a solution.

[Guest Guest]

😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱

McDonald's Singapore suspends all restaurant operations until May 4

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-mcdonalds-singapore-suspends-all-operations-12656294?cid=FBcna&fbclid=IwAR3npBB2Dts0inq1em_zIVyFaoCWlCW5GLytLZ5xS5cgB3mtcTQCnhSa-l8

 

"This move - which includes drive-through and delivery services - goes into effect from 11am Sunday, and comes a day after the fast food chain announced the suspension of takeaways. 

 

Drive-through service will end at 8am, and the last order for delivery will be at 10.30am, it added.

 

"McDonald’s Singapore today announced it has been advised by the Ministry of Health that as a preventative action in the fight against COVID-19 in Singapore, it is suspending restaurant operations, including McDelivery and Drive-Thru, till May 4," the release said."

[Guest Guest]

16 minutes ago, Since u r here said:

Finally

(Actually takeaway nt many
Alot are deliveries)
https://www.facebook.com/93889432933/posts/10157332837407934/?d=n

Other fast food chains will be very happy .... more business for them .... 

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Nightingale said:

 

1.  If the living conditions of foreign workers here are very good, then how do you explain the spikes in infection cases are mainly from there?  

a) If no free food, no free wiFi, then do you expect them to cook for themselves?  Then you will blame them for dirtying the place.  Whatever they do, you will always be unhappy.  

 b) If no free WiFi, what do you expect them to do?  Read books?  Stare at the walls?  Even Singaporeans who are quarantined get these benefits too, so why call sour grapes?

c) These workers are lowly paid.  So what's wrong with getting paid?  Don't we get handouts from the govt too?  The video I posted already says the workers are not even sure of getting paid because their employer may go bust.  

 

2.  If conditions of foreign workers in other countries are worse, why does this show?  That we should treat them as badly?  Why so stingy with your level of magnanimity?  

 

3.  "Sg did not force them to come here."

Then why don't you ask why we are recruiting foreign workers from South and East Asia to work in the various sectors where no Singaporeans want to do?  You don't have to use 'force'.  The willingness is mutual.  Employers did ask them to come to do the dirty work that no one here wants to do.  So by saying that nobody forced them to come, you are callously saying that we can do without them.

 

4.  And why can't you face the ugly truth that they are poorly paid for their hard labour and long hours which no Singaporeans are willing to do and it's their employers who are reaping fat profits?  It's easy to say we don't owe them a living, just like the pandemic does not owe you anything.

 

 

Auntie, you keep venting your frustration and cynicism on foreign workers with unkind words.

 

1.  You lamented that they get better treatment at Expo shelters, better food, air conditioned cubicles etc.  You think that living like a prisoner is fun?  Your joke is sicker than the sickness itself.

What do you expect?  A sick patient needs a conducive environment and better food to recover faster, so that they can resume working at construction sites where no locals are willing to work.  What’s wrong with that?

 

2.  You kept harping on hygiene as if every worker is unhygienic.  You wanted national service style discipline.

 

a)  Do not assume that every foreigner is unhygienic.  Yes, there are a few who do not observe hygiene and even though toilets are cleaned regularly, just a few bad apples can spoil the show.  But isn’t the situation the same with our public toilets in shopping complexes, especially old ones?  They are predominantly used by locals and I have even seen local uncles being selfish, throwing tissue onto the floor and sinks, not flushing after excreting, smoking in cubicles, pouring plentiful liquids into litter containers meant for solid litter, making it difficult for toilet cleaners to dispose them etc. etc.  So why pass such harsh judgements on foreign workers when our own folks are guilty of the same?

 

b) In national service, everyone fears of getting punished by corporals.  But these workers are not army trained.  They are here to work, not to attend discipline camps.  I am not saying they don’t need discipline.  It’s up to the employers to enforce it. 

It’s easy for you to say no food allowed as you do not put yourself in their shoes.  I know of an Indian worker who insists on cooking his own dinner even upon reaching his hostel as late as 11 pm.  By the time he sleeps, it will be midnight.  And he has to wake up early the next morning.  Foreign workers need to cook instant noodles, for example, to save money as the living costs here are high.  So you can’t just expect a Hitler-style totalitarianism imposed on them.

 

c)    And why do you keep harping on toilets?  The virus is spread by close contact and not just toilets.  Do the workers have a choice of not staying in the crammed dormitories?  With their limited knowledge and low education level, the workers would have thought since their employers did not seem worried as they did not strictly enforce physical distancing in the bunks, then the virus issue must be not as serious as described by the media.

 

So Guest should spare a thought and pause to ponder how it all happened, instead of simply venting his unhappiness on them, resorting to sarcasm and insults.  Come on, let’s be more magnanimous.  These workers have had a difficult time getting themselves transported from distant villages with a hope of getting their families fed and children educated.

 

Thank you for adding further evidence to this possibility that the foreign workers are getting themselves infected deliberately, by the way of not taking all their necessary precautions. so that they can leave their rundown dorms to stay in some nicer isolation wards. It sure seems to be a very good incentive to go around asking people "Who wants to fall sick with some mild cough and fever and get paid $100 each day with the potential of getting isolated on a cruise ship" 

[Guest Guest]

4 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

You twist my words and say I provided evidence.

 

I didn't twist any words at all. You wrote all the evidence there yourself, citing poor living conditions at their dorms as compared to a conducive and better environment for them to "recover". You may think that it is a punishment for them to be infected, but the spike in the foreign workers infected are already indicative of many malingerers treating it as a godsend. 

 

2 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

I thought you were the one complaining about expenditure spent on them?  How come you are so generous of getting them housed in a cruise ship?

 

Get updated with the news, will you?  https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/04/17/singapore-mulls-placing-workers-who-recover-from-covid-19-on-cruise-ships  Who is generous now? 

[Guest culture]

8 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 I have also read some figures that makes me think of a solution:

 

There are now over 260,000 millionaires in Singapore.  And the population of foreign workers in distress is 200,000. 

 

The solution is that each millionaire takes care of ONE foreign worker and sees that he lives in a safe environment.

 

If it comes to money,  the 50 wealthiest people in Singapore have a combined net worth of  $130 billion  (this comes to an average of 2.6 billion each).

An emergency humanitarian charge of 1% of this wealth is $1.3 billion.    This amount divided by 20,000 workers is $65,000.

 

This is a lot of money to spend on ONE worker.  So let's reduce this to $10,000.   Times 20,000 this comes to 200 million, and this is 0.15% of the wealth of these 50 billionaires.

 

If 0.15% of the wealth of the 50 richest Singaporeans can solve the situation of the migrant workers,  why not go straight ahead with it ? 

 

 

You are right. The culture of returning to society is not very developped in Singapore. Whereas in other Western countries rich people are driven by initiatives to make donations, set up foundations, there is few initiative here.

Laudable to have these volunteers and few Non profit organisations in helping foreign workers or speaking out on their issues. Probably it is a more selfish attitude in forgetting the origins and not recognising the accumulation of wealth was enabled through exploitation of others.

The same goes for billionaires in Mainland China.

 

For countries like Germany, France, Spain or Italy, not having this extreme spread between rich and poor it is surprising how much on donations have been handed out by wealthy people to help in Corona times, many soccer players donated 1 million Euro for such matters. 

[Guest Guest]

Past 12 noon already .... Today MOH 4D what number? 6xxx or 7xxx?  

[Guest Guest]

11 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Past 12 noon already .... Today MOH 4D what number? 6xxx or 7xxx?  

 

So simple, everyday test less than 1000 then will never exceed that number.

[bluerunner]

11 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

What is your problem in believing that the foreign workers are locked in with only 2 hours to leave their miserable bunks?

Are the conditions in your prisons better?  

But at least Singapore does not impose a MANDATORY DEATH SENTENCE on foreign workers, like it does to people found with some drugs  

And this coming from an ang moh who pretend to know a lot about Singapore? Lim Peh clap for you. 
 

p/s: Don’t bother to reply because you and that 老鸟人 will be added to my banned list. No interest in reading any nonsense from the two of you. 

Edited April 19, 2020 by bluerunner
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[Letsrelaxpp]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Past 12 noon already .... Today MOH 4D what number? 6xxx or 7xxx?  

Illegal gambling sites lure punters with bets on new Covid-19 cases in S'pore, Malaysia, Thailand

 

A screengrab of a gambling site where punters can bet on the number of daily new Covid-19 cases.PHOTO: THE NEW PAPER

[Guest in all fairness]

6 hours ago, Nightingale said:

 

1.  If the living conditions of foreign workers here are very good, then how do you explain the spikes in infection cases are mainly from there?  

 

 

Actually the migrant workers' own hygiene level is very bad and that has contributed to the spike too,

cannot everything blame SG govt.

 

If you are local and have served NS before, our own military bunks are almost the same as their dorms,

yet our bunks are always clean cos we practise very good hygiene.

[Guest Guest]

6 minutes ago, Guest in all fairness said:

 

Actually the migrant workers' own hygiene level is very bad and that has contributed to the spike too,

cannot everything blame SG govt.

 

If you are local and have served NS before, our own military bunks are almost the same as their dorms,

yet our bunks are always clean cos we practise very good hygiene.

 

Cos we have area cleaning and stand by bunk. Imagine those labourers after a hot day’s work under the sun.

[Guest Guest]

As of 19 April 2020, 12pm, the Ministry of Health (MOH) has preliminarily confirmed an additional 596 cases of COVID-19 infection in Singapore, the vast majority of whom are Work Permit holders residing in foreign worker dormitories. Of the 596 cases, 25 are Singaporeans/ Permanent Residents.

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/596-new-cases-of-covid-19-infection/

[leo yok loo]

TWC2 warning no use because dorm operators making $...govt making$...construction company also making $..

Now the politicians trying very hard to show us they care so much for the workers.(i wanted to cry).

When covid19 is over, everything back to square one.

[Guest Guest]

50 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Cos we have area cleaning and stand by bunk. Imagine those labourers after a hot day’s work under the sun.

 

You think our NS is not done under the same sun? And we still need to do our own area cleaning and stand by bunk after that. And if any Sergeants not happy, we still got Parade Square march at night, OK? And to make matters even worse, how much are these foreign workers paid? I think my "allowance" during that time was only $200-400 per month. And they can still blame the toilet aunties and uncles when the toilets is not clean enough for them....??? 

 

54 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

Let's be honest.  You think we willingly cleaned our toilets and shower cubicles conscientiously? As I've said before, we have stand by bed and spot checks.  We do it out of fear.  Because my soldiers did not clean properly and I did not check, I got punished by burning my weekends on guard duty.  

 

These guys don't want to maintain their hygiene willingly, then nobody should be out there to complain about their hygiene for them. If it is going to be fear that will make them clean their own toilets, then maybe those foreign workers who don't want to maintain their own hygiene can be thrown out of the dormitories, and let the police catch them sleeping and peeing and washing up with all the snakes and rats and any other animals in the forest. 

 

Really goes to show NS is for Singaporeans and jobs for foreigners. Even foreign worker in construction line are having a better time and better pay than Singaporean NS boys!  

[Guest Guest]

20 minutes ago, leo yok loo said:

TWC2 warning no use because dorm operators making $...govt making$...construction company also making $..

Now the politicians trying very hard to show us they care so much for the workers.(i wanted to cry).

When covid19 is over, everything back to square one.

 

I don't even know when this is going to be "over". Right now, we are just trying to contain the problem with all these mask wearing, social distancing and putting all the SHNs on the dormitories. Even if we can contain the problem, the virus will not miraculously disappear away by itself. Until now, I have not heard of anyone having any plans to tackle the problem yet. And then to make matters worse, once our airports again, there will be more and more people flying in because someone still want to increase this population up to 6.9 million people, or maybe even 10 million people. 

 

Yeah .. everything will be back to square one ... as in square one "1965", just that LKY will not be in the picture with us any more. 

[Guest in all fairness]

1 hour ago, Nightingale said:

 

 

Let's be honest.  You think we willingly cleaned our toilets and shower cubicles conscientiously? As I've said before, we have stand by bed and spot checks.  We do it out of fear.  Because my soldiers did not clean properly and I did not check, I got punished by burning my weekends on guard duty.  

 

Do not tarnish every migrant worker with the same brush.  It's just like our public toilets.  Each time the cleaners have finished their job, some idiotic locals will dirty the place with their selfish habit.  So whether it's local or foreign worker, it's a few apples that spoil the whole show.  

 

I am not blaming the govt for EVERYTHING.  It's just common sense plus the fact that TWC2 has warned the govt about the crammed conditions in the bunks and the govt didn't bother.  They did not even screen every worker after the spike began.  They should know the consequences once they overlook this area.  So do not call yourself Guest in All Fairness if you are not being fair.

 

Most of us clean our bunks cos we know we are going to stay and sleep in them,

we dun do it out of fear everytime, it all boils down to your own hygiene level.

 

Have you seen how the migrant workers anyhow dump their rubbish everywhere?

and that's considering the fact that they do hire professional cleaners to clean the dorms on normal days.

I dun think im wrong to say that hygiene level is a contributing factor for the spike.

 

You cannot expect the SG govt to have perfect foresight and know how to do everything correctly,

in this epidemic, they have so many issues to handle.

They are already starting to test all the migrant workers now,

do you know how much money and resources are required to test all the migrant workers??

 

Instead of being a keyboard warrior complaining behind a screen,

as a Singaporean (well im not sure if you are), we should support the govt actions and hope that this epidemic will be over soon.

 

Wake up lah Uncle! Not going to waste my time and argue with you anymore.

 

[Guest Guest]

6 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

I don't see why you are complaining

 

You don't see why I am complaining? I am complaining because THEY are complaining, and THEY are complaining over something which THEY THEMSELVES did not do, i.e. upkeep of their own hygiene. Letting them stay in a dormitory had been a privilege which they themselves have abused. Just kick them out and let them live in the forest for a change and see if they will start cleaning their own toilets or not! 

 

If nobody ever sympathized us and our NS boys for cleaning up our own toilets because they were "serving their own nation", then nobody should sympathized the foreign workers because they were "serving their own wallets". As simple as that.... Don't throw any hypocritical double standards here for me. If TWC2 wants to go fight for the foreign workers hygiene because the foreign workers couldn't even take care of their own personal hygiene, then TWC2 can go clean up after them.

 

My sympathies can be better used elsewhere, like all those old folks at the Lee Ah Mooi Old Age Home. 

[Guest Guest]

20 minutes ago, Guest in all fairness said:

 

Most of us clean our bunks cos we know we are going to stay and sleep in them,

we dun do it out of fear everytime, it all boils down to your own hygiene level.

 

Have you seen how the migrant workers anyhow dump their rubbish everywhere?

and that's considering the fact that they do hire professional cleaners to clean the dorms on normal days.

I dun think im wrong to say that hygiene level is a contributing factor for the spike.

 

You cannot expect the SG govt to have perfect foresight and know how to do everything correctly,

in this epidemic, they have so many issues to handle.

They are already starting to test all the migrant workers now,

do you know how much money and resources are required to test all the migrant workers??

 

Instead of being a keyboard warrior complaining behind a screen,

as a Singaporean (well im not sure if you are), we should support the govt actions and hope that this epidemic will be over soon.

 

Wake up lah Uncle! Not going to waste my time and argue with you anymore.

 

 

 I agree with you when you aid the hygiene of the foreign workers is their own responsibility. 

 

But when you start saying things like "we should support the govt actions", look at where the government actions such as "healthy people no need to wear masks" and the belated closure of our airports to the foreigners lead us? The government has been out of ideas long ago, and it is showing in all their "reactive" actions now.  

[Guest Guest]

3 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

Kick them out and live in a forest?  Would you dare to do that if you were their employer?  Welcome to Fantasyland.

 

If I am their employer and I get so many complaints about their hygiene matters either from them or from others, I'd terminate their contract and send them home. That's RealityLand. 

 

4 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

And you still fail to answer me:  Are those local clusters due to personal hygiene?

 

So, if personal hygiene is not an issue, then all those people complain so much for their hygiene for what? If nobody is saying that their hygiene is a factor for the cluster to formed, then everyone can just keep quiet and let those guys go back to their dirty toilets and overflowing urinals.  Unless you are saying that the hygiene is a reason why those malingering foreign workers might be getting themselves deliberately infected ..... 

[bluerunner]

Don’t understand why people here are still biting to “he said healthy people don’t need to wear mask”. 
Last time policemen wore shorts. Now, policemen oredi wear long pants. 

[Guest Popo]

2 minutes ago, bluerunner said:

Don’t understand why people here are still biting to “he said healthy people don’t need to wear mask”. 
Last time policemen wore shorts. Now, policemen oredi wear long pants. 

 

Police on patrol go back to wear shorts for a few years liao.

 

[Guest Guest]

Taiwan talkshow, 19 April 2020

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Report numbers can also report wrongly??? Wah liao ..... win liao lor! 

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19

 

Amendments to Press Release on 18 Apr 2020
Some cases that were confirmed and verified after 12pm, 18 April had been included in the clusters case listing. We have amended the listing to exclude them from the Annex of the 18 April press release.

 

 

https://mothership.sg/2020/04/moh-april-18-update-amended/?fbclid=IwAR1yDBMRYa643IA9KbULT5NFdLeJNlJ6HhwYONNDwXyAHDLjOXqiKaEPtMw

 

MOH amends Apr 18 Covid-19 update to exclude cases after 12pm on same day

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

If I am their employer and I get so many complaints about their hygiene matters either from them or from others, I'd terminate their contract and send them home. That's RealityLand. 

 

 

So, if personal hygiene is not an issue, then all those people complain so much for their hygiene for what? If nobody is saying that their hygiene is a factor for the cluster to formed, then everyone can just keep quiet and let those guys go back to their dirty toilets and overflowing urinals.  Unless you are saying that the hygiene is a reason why those malingering foreign workers might be getting themselves deliberately infected ..... 

 

Hmmm...  if you were their employer, you would not care a damn about their hygiene, unless you take them to bed.

 

We don't hear anything about covid-19 discriminating its victims based on personal hygiene.

The virus does not seem to be repelled by dirty, stinky bodies...

[Guest Guest]

Ungrateful migrant worker complaining about quality of food given by government

food is so good already, even better than SAF cookhouse food

 

hope its just a small percentage of them

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

50 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Ungrateful migrant worker complaining about quality of food given by government

food is so good already, even better than SAF cookhouse food

 

hope its just a small percentage of them

 

 

 

 

Speechless! To think they can complain and threw away the food! Too be honest, the food don't look bad at all! 

[Steve5380]

10 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Speechless! To think they can complain and threw away the food! Too be honest, the food don't look bad at all! 

 

With food it is not so much how it looks, but HOW IT TASTES and HOW IT FEELS.

The fact that these workers are throwing the food away is proof that they have problems with it.

The providers of this food should CONSULT with the workers to find out what is wrong.

 

All this before some morons at BW get "speechless" with idiotic ideas.

Does someone force some problematic food down YOUR throat?

[Guest Guest]

Our soldiers eat cookhouse food that’s worse than this.

 

Seriously should just provide them combat rations, then they will learn to appreciate.

[jlone]

Anyway if the workers find that the foods are not suitable for their consumption, they should bring this matter up, and those in charge will inform the caterers.

I am sure the caterers will change the menu to suit these workers, so that foods will not  be wasted.

Problem solved.

  

Edited April 19, 2020 by jlone