All about Covid-19 Discussion in Singapore (compiled)

[Guest Try and see]

 

 

She really needs to be fired.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

42 minutes ago, ckson said:

 

Yes, it's improving.  Of the 11 local cases yesterday, 9 are linked to dormitories, hospitals or family members of existing cases.  Only 2 are "true unlinked".  

 

 

 

There are still maybe 5 million people in the population out there not tested yet, and you call this "improving"? And if this "sentinel testing" done on 1200 people in the clinics is considered mass community testing, you are simply deluding yourself. 

 

The fear and concern has always been those asymptomatic cases all the while. You are simply fooling yourself into believing that these asymptomatic cases are no longer there, because the numbers appeared to be lower. Is this a case of what you don't test, you don't know; What you don't know, don't exist? Stop dreaming already. Good luck. 

[jlone]

3 minutes ago, Guest Try and see said:

 

 

She really needs to be fired.

 

 

Then you know what to do in the coming GE?

Edited May 7, 2020 by jlone

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Nightingale said:

Auntie OCD Fascist,

Shame on you for repeatedly slandering the workers.  They are already paid peanuts, so you expect them to pay for food to recover?  You think they all want to be in cruise ship whole day long like a prisoner without enjoying the facilities which you are implying?  They didn't choose to be there.  Neither did they choose to live in crammed dormitories in fear of getting infected each day (as said by the PRC worker interviewed in one video).  They are helpless, uneducated, work long hours, underpaid with stresses (facing threats of pay cut from their bosses, must wake up at 4 pm to get a ride to work sites etc.)  And here you are, resorting to your own self-pity and venting your frustration on them.  Read this letter from the Forum to search your soul!

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/forum-all-of-us-guilty-of-poor-treatment-of-foreign-workers

 

 

Good job shutting the mouth of this bitter fascist.   It is best if he wears a mask.

 

A mask he has to wear 24 hours a day, that covers the mouth filtering out any word he tries to utter,  and which only opens three times a day to let some food in for a few minutes.  Or even better, that has a check valve that lets food and water in, but no sound out.  

[jlone]

45 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

Covid-19  Cases  Crosses  20,000  Mark,  with  788  New  Infections

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/new-covid-19-cases-may-6

 

13  Cases  Detected  through  'Random  Testing'  at  GPs  &  Polyclinics  under  MOH  Surveillance  Programme

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-random-testing-cases-sentinel-surveillance-clinics-12707564

 

 Why  Some  Patients  Continue  to  Test  Positive  Despite  a  Strong  Recovery  &  No  Symptoms

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/explainer-why-some-covid-19-patients-continue-test-positive-despite-strong-recovery-and-no

 

Mustafa Centre  Reopens  Supermarket  after  Month-long  Closure

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-mustafa-centre-reopens-supermarket-after-month-long-12707622

 

Life will never be the same again!

[Guest Try and see]

11 minutes ago, jlone said:

Then you know what to do in the coming GE?

 

I've never voted for them since I started voting. The S'pore government really handled the whole Covid19 affair very badly.  

The only consolation is that our death rate is low.

 

 

As of 6 May 2020:

[leo yok loo]

25 minutes ago, Guest Try and see said:

 

 

She really needs to be fired.

 

 

Looking at the bar graph makes me worry.

Looking at her face......sigh.

[lonelyglobe]

"The total number of coronavirus cases here could hit 30,000 or 40,000 this month, but containment measures will help to keep the situation from spiralling out of control"  experts said.

 

How could someone created this mess be allowed to retain her title? Beside the economic impact,  it also bring shame to the reputation of SG,  while HK and Taiwan are reporting zero cases and here we are,  everyday 600, 800....and see no light at the end of the tunnel.

 

Don't have the courtesy to apologise is ok but don't be shameless to continue please. 

Edited May 7, 2020 by lonelyglobe

[Guest doxxers]

Doxxers wrongly identify tech CEO as 'sovereign' woman

MAY 6, 2020, Straits Times

 

- A woman who made headlines after claiming to be a "sovereign" when she refused to wear a mask in public was apparently outed on Tuesday morning (May 5).

Her name, photographs and personal details were revealed on social media, prompting a string of racist and xenophobic comments against her.

But in identifying her as the chief executive officer of a tech company, the doxxers had targeted an innocent party who was not involved in the incident at Shunfu Mart on Sunday.

 

TNP's checks found that details of the CEO were circulating on the All Singapore Stuff Telegram chat group from 7.30am on Tuesday and on the Facebook page "Real Issues in Singapore Covered by Posts Published by Prabu" from 9am. Her media interviews were also shared on the SGTalk forum.

Some of the comments noted that doxxing is a crime. It became illegal after amendments to the Protection from Harassment Act this year.

 

Doxxing involves the publishing of someone's personal details with the intention to cause harassment, alarm or distress. They include photos, employment and education details.

 

Lawyer Fong Wei Li told TNP this was a clear-cut case of doxxing, and the CEO could pursue legal action against those who had targeted her.

 

"Theoretically, even those who share the original posts that doxxed her can be made liable, and she can pursue a criminal or civil case against them," he said.

 

Please all BW posters read the last paragraph carefully! Those reposting or quoting are in trouble too. Better be careful!

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Guest doxxers said:

Lawyer Fong Wei Li told TNP this was a clear-cut case of doxxing, and the CEO could pursue legal action against those who had targeted her.

 

Spoken like a lawyer indeed! LOL!  🤑 🤑 🤑 🤑

 

 

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, lonelyglobe said:

"The total number of coronavirus cases here could hit 30,000 or 40,000 this month, but containment measures will help to keep the situation from spiralling out of control"  experts said.

 

How could someone created this mess be allowed to retain her title? Beside the economic impact,  it also bring shame to the reputation of SG,  while HK and Taiwan are reporting zero cases and here we are,  everyday 600, 800....and see no light at the end of the tunnel.

 

Don't have the courtesy to apologise is ok but don't be shameless to continue please. 

 

It's not for her to carry the blame alone. It's the entire team which failed the country. Right now, we only saw the foreign domestic worker situation. We haven't even really seen the true community spread figures yet despite all the reported numbers. Based on the article which says that 13 out of the 12,000 tested were positive (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-random-testing-cases-sentinel-surveillance-clinics-12707564) as well as the 3 exported Malaysian cases that was found out of those few hundreds of them who went back to Malaysia, I would think we might see more community spread than what was reported. I really cannot see any reasons why they still do not want to do the mass community testings yet. I can only reason it to be because of the upcoming election.

 

Maybe "What we don't test, we don't know; What we don't know, won't harm us"? Ignorance can be blissful. 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Goh Chok Tong would be so proud if he saw our number of cases per million population right now.

We just surpassed another Swiss standard of living ... LOL! 

 

 

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Deaths/ 1M pop	Total Tests	Tests/ 1M pop
USA	1,263,224	+132	74,809	+10	213,109	975,306	15,827	3,816	226	8,005,589	24,186
Falkland Islands	13				13	0		3,736		388	111,494
Singapore	20,939	+741	20		1,634	19,285	23	3,579	3	175,604	30,016
Italy	214,457		29,684		93,245	91,528	1,333	3,547	491	2,310,929	38,221
Switzerland	30,060		1,805		25,700	2,555	121	3,473	209	290,365	33,550
Channel Islands	545		40		429	76		3,135	230	5,342	30,725
UK	201,101		30,076		N/A	170,681	1,559	2,962	443	1,448,010	21,330

 

 

[jlone]

37 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Actually, in a way, he's not wrong, 70% did put those people into Parliament too ....  Thank goodness I belong to the other 30%. So no need to apologize. LOL! 

 

 

I also belong to the 30% since I started voting. 

Thank God!

[jlone]

28 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Goh Chok Tong would be so proud if he saw our number of cases per million population right now.

We just surpassed another Swiss standard of living ... LOL! 

 

 

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Deaths/ 1M pop	Total Tests	Tests/ 1M pop
USA	1,263,224	+132	74,809	+10	213,109	975,306	15,827	3,816	226	8,005,589	24,186
Falkland Islands	13				13	0		3,736		388	111,494
Singapore	20,939	+741	20		1,634	19,285	23	3,579	3	175,604	30,016
Italy	214,457		29,684		93,245	91,528	1,333	3,547	491	2,310,929	38,221
Switzerland	30,060		1,805		25,700	2,555	121	3,473	209	290,365	33,550
Channel Islands	545		40		429	76		3,135	230	5,342	30,725
UK	201,101		30,076		N/A	170,681	1,559	2,962	443	1,448,010	21,330

 

 

The price to pay for being too "How Liang" !

[lonelyglobe]

"since they are in "complete lockdown for the sake and safety of Singaporeans"....

We can also say sporean have CB because someone mess up the dormitory infections.

 

 

"So let us all stop being hypocrites, and putting all the blame on the Government.

The real test of our concern for these workers is after this crisis is over. "

Of course we have to voice out if not wait some ministers will say "no sporean have actually blame the govt... " and the real test after the crisis should be for our million dollars paid ministers to think how we can reduce dependency on migrant workers and not simply building more hostels and endlessly bringing in more. 

 

[Guest Try and see]

 

49 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Goh Chok Tong would be so proud if he saw our number of cases per million population right now.

We just surpassed another Swiss standard of living . . .

 

 

 

In terms of absolute numbers and fatality count, Switzerland is still a lot higher for now:

 

(Correct as of 7 May 2020)

 

F**k Goh Chok Tong, by the way.

[Guest Guest]

39 minutes ago, leo yok loo said:

If they win big this coming GE ,they will forget everything. More FW will come in so can collect more levy to cover the cost. GST maybe become 10%. Get ready for public transports fair hike.

Chicken wing is not free.

 

That's my fear too.

 

If they win big, they will spend the next 5 years sweeping all the skeletons and dust back into the closets and under the carpet, and then put up another big wayang show that they are doing something. 

 

And if they lose, they will most likely form a coalition party with some minority parties. In fact, that was how Singapore came about all the way at the beginning, with no single party winning the majority in the first 1955 election, and therefore Labour Front party, with the largest number of seats in Parliament, formed a coalition party with several smaller political parties to become the government. PAP was the opposition party during that time.  

[Guest Try and see]

Yeah, right  🙄

 

Coronavirus: Conditions in dorms not main reason for clusters, says Tan Chuan-Jin

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/conditions-in-dorms-not-main-reason-for-clusters-says-tan-chuan-jin

[Guest Guest]

More covidiots in the news.

 

https://www.8world.com/news/singapore/article/woman-refused-to-wear-mask-and-asked-security-to-remove-mask-before-talking-to-her-1125371

 

 

[leo yok loo]

5 minutes ago, Guest Try and see said:

Yeah, right  🙄

 

Coronavirus: Conditions in dorms not main reason for clusters, says Tan Chuan-Jin

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/conditions-in-dorms-not-main-reason-for-clusters-says-tan-chuan-jin

Dorm condition is a factor, not the cause. The cause is JT.

 

[Guest Try and see]

1 minute ago, leo yok loo said:

Dorm condition is a factor, not the cause. The cause is JT.

 

 

👍

[Guest Guest]

6 minutes ago, Guest Try and see said:

Yeah, right  🙄

 

Coronavirus: Conditions in dorms not main reason for clusters, says Tan Chuan-Jin

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/conditions-in-dorms-not-main-reason-for-clusters-says-tan-chuan-jin

 

If it’s not the main reason, please state the main reasons, dun jjww beat around the bush, skirt around the issues, offer no answers and shirk responsibilities away considering you are the MoM minister in 2015. Please also account for why there were no quarantine facilities follow up when you were the one who read the proposal in parliament.

[G_M]

@Nightingale DO NOT bicker with Guest and justify their existence. 

 

@single42 DO NOT discuss Politics in our forum. 

 

Get back to the topic. 

 

Those who love to bicker or bitch go to the Flaming room.

[Guest Guest]

2 minutes ago, Guest Try and see said:

LOL Chuan-jin is desperately trying to cover up the mess made by josephine teo

 

Tan Chuan-Jin

1 May 2014

4 May 2015

 

Lim Swee Say

1 October 2015

30 April 2018

 

Josephine Teo

1 May 2018

Incumbent

 

“One example is that operators must develop quarantine plans, in the event of an infectious disease outbreak, and provide sufficient sick bay facilities, based on guidelines set by the Ministry of Health.”

 

https://www.mom.gov.sg/newsroom/speeches/2015/foreign-employee-dormitories-bill-second-reading-speech-by-mr-tan-chuanjin-minister-for-manpower-20-january-2015-300-pm-parliament

 

Not just her I suppose, also her predecessor, and there should be guidelines for planning facilities down to per sq ft allocated for per worker, I’m guessing could be from BCA, which comes under another ministry.

[FattChoy]

SG now have ~ 20x the number of covid19 cases in HK.

 

Edited May 8, 2020 by FattChoy

[Guest Guest]

The blame game is on, privatising profits, socialising blame. Nowadays the word ‘experts’ are regularly thrown in our face and down our throats.

Improving migrant workers’ conditions must involve every segment of society: experts

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/improving-migrant-workers-conditions-must-involve-every-segment-of-society-experts-002256560.html

 

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, FattChoy said:

SG now have ~ 20x the number of covid19 cases in HK.

 

Not sure if we will 40k cases,

if yes then its half of China cases.

[Guest Guest]

20 minutes ago, Since u r here said:

Hk has all along allowed dining and not more than 4 Pax outings/groupings
now alrdy up til 8

 

shame on us

 

What "us"?? It's you guys who voted them into Parliament to allow this to happen, ok? Don't drag the rest of the 30% along with you, ok? It is shame on YOU to go and 丢 all our 脸。

 

[lonelyglobe]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Improving migrant workers’ conditions must involve every segment of society: experts

 

Wrong,  it should be:

 

Reducing migrant worker's dependency must involve every segment of society:

 

self proclaim expert

[lonelyglobe]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Not sure if we will 40k cases,

if yes then its half of China cases.

Expert predicts 40k by end May and self proclaim expert predict 30k to 60k base on a 10-20% infection rate. Currently only about 6% of the total 300k workers tested positive. 

Edited May 8, 2020 by lonelyglobe

[lonelyglobe]

4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Tan Chuan-Jin

1 May 2014

4 May 2015

 

Lim Swee Say

1 October 2015

30 April 2018

 

Josephine Teo

1 May 2018

Incumbent

Why did Mr Tan only served 1 year?  What can be achieved in a year? In private sector,  this should be refer as job hob and it will be questioned by the future employer.

Edited May 8, 2020 by lonelyglobe

[Guest Guest]

11 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

Why did Mr Tan only served 1 year?  What can be achieved in a year? In private sector,  this should be refer as job hob and it will be questioned by the future employer.

 

We had elections that year, so likely some reshuffling.

[Guest Guest]

18 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

Why did Mr Tan only served 1 year?  What can be achieved in a year? In private sector,  this should be refer as job hob and it will be questioned by the future employer.

 

Cos he was one the freshest PAP MP to be elected into Parliament during that time, and they want to promote him up to become a Minister as soon as possible, together with people like Chan Chun Seng and a few other people. The 3G leaders never really planned to hand over their cash cows positions to anyone, so success planning was left to the very last minute.  In fact, I suspect that the 3G leaders was under pressure from the 2G leaders to look for successors as soon as possible. Otherwise, they won't do so. Not sure if anyone remember how GCT actually question when LHL is going to hand over the reins publicly (or something along that line of questionings). So to give these new Ministers as much understanding of the various work done at the various Ministries as possible, they rotated these new guys, including him, around all the different Ministries to give them a sense of what each of them do, as quickly as possible, even though it was just a touch-and-go rotation stint without much depth to it.   

[leo yok loo]

21 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Cos he was one the freshest PAP MP to be elected into Parliament during that time, and they want to promote him up to become a Minister as soon as possible, together with people like Chan Chun Seng and a few other people. The 3G leaders never really planned to hand over their cash cows positions to anyone, so success planning was left to the very last minute.  In fact, I suspect that the 3G leaders was under pressure from the 2G leaders to look for successors as soon as possible. Otherwise, they won't do so. Not sure if anyone remember how GCT actually question when LHL is going to hand over the reins publicly (or something along that line of questionings). So to give these new Ministers as much understanding of the various work done at the various Ministries as possible, they rotated these new guys, including him, around all the different Ministries to give them a sense of what each of them do, as quickly as possible, even though it was just a touch-and-go rotation stint without much depth to it.   

Thanks. So is like 走马看花, 薪水照拿。。。No wonder they screw up so many things. Hmmm...interesting.

[Guest Test Kit]

Singapore’s Late Pivot to Mass Tests Challenged by Kit Shortage

David Ramli and Faris Mokhtar

2 hrs ago

(Bloomberg) -- In a back room of Singaporean dentist Teehee Dental Works, three orange-topped boxes hum with a sterile buzz.

Over the next three hours, a thousand strands of liquid resin will form and harden to become plastic nasal swabs, ready to be used in Covid-19 test kits. Those 3D printers – normally making dentures and crowns – are a part of a local effort to re-tool some of Singapore’s industries to respond to a growing need for test kits amid the widening coronavirus pandemic.

 

With one of Asia’s largest outbreaks following a resurgence in infections, the city state is trying to change strategy, pivoting from selectively screening for cases to the mass testing deployed successfully in places like South Korea. But Singapore’s bid to expand testing fivefold from 8,000 a day to 40,000 by later this year comes amid surging global demand for kits and their components -- from nasal swabs to chemical reagents -- as outbreaks in the U.S. and parts of Europe persist.

And as the clamor for kits is only set to intensify as testing provides a route to re-opening locked down economies, Singapore may have to lean on local industry to help fill the shortfall. Without the manufacturing capacity of China and lower-cost countries in Southeast Asia, domestic firms -- from dentists to aircraft part-makers, engineering companies to metal forgers -- are trying to plug the nation’s need for kits.

 

“If a country is not a producer, it then just has to make do with what is allocated and learn to prioritize,” said Jeremy Lim, an adjunct associate professor at the National University of Singapore’s Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health. “It’s exquisitely painful to be helpless.”

Singapore’s challenge has been compounded by its late shift in strategy to mass testing compared to countries like South Korea. Although the first signs of what would become a massive outbreak among the country’s army of low-paid foreign workers emerged in early February, Singapore seemed to continue to apply tactics used to contain the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, outbreak 17 years ago. The new coronavirus has proved much more contagious, with countries that tested widely seeing more success in quashing their epidemics.

Singapore didn’t signal a shift to concerted mass testing -- where testing is conducted widely in a vulnerable community beyond just those who had confirmed contact with an infected person -- until April. In the interim, the coronavirus went global and countries began snatching up supplies of testing materials and hoarding their own production.

‘Feel the Challenge’

In February “we could get things in within three days to a week and we could get things out pretty easily,” said Zhou Lihan, chief executive officer of MiRXES, which produces test kits for governments and hospitals in 25 countries around the world. “Once we hit late March - that was where we started to feel the challenge.”

Singapore-based MiRXES is currently churning out the Fortitude 2.0 testing kit designed by Singapore’s Agency for Science, Technology and Research, known as A*STAR, and Tan Tock Seng Hospital. Where his firm was able to produce 100,000 kits a week in early February, it can now make 500,000 over the same period.

Even that may not be enough. “In the initial days, at any point, we had enough plastics and other basic materials to make half a million to a million tests. Previously we did that to plan for a 3-6 month manufacturing cycle,” said Zhou. “With exponential testing globally, suddenly that kind of stock can only last you a month or even a week at some points.”

The coronavirus manifests in some people without any outward signs of sickness, raising the risk they could be silent spreaders. That means widespread and repeated testing of people before they return to workplaces is likely the main way governments will be able to protect against future waves of infection.

Acumen Research Laboratories -- a Singapore biotech firm that was mainly a designer rather than producer of test kits before the crisis -- has shifted its supply chain over the past few months to manufacture Covid-19 test kits and analyze their results. The company is now capable of processing 20,000 tests daily, equivalent to a fifth of the U.K.’s total daily target.

“A test kit is composed of many, many sub-components -- more than 20 -- so if any one of those is short you don’t have a kit,” said director Ong Siew Hua. “The lesson learned from all of this is that in ‘peacetime,’ you must invest in things that sometimes you take for granted.”

No Timeline

Singapore’s Health Minister Gan Kim Yong told parliament on Monday that the government cannot set a timeline to boost testing to 40,000 a day: “I won’t be able to promise you when, but we are doing our best to ramp it up.”

The country’s health as well as trade and industry ministries did not answer questions on how many test kits Singapore is currently able to manufacture locally or is procuring on the global market.

While Singapore was initially lauded for its comparatively even-handed approach to containing the virus -- opting for social distancing and awareness over a lockdown -- it emerged in April that the pathogen had been spreading among migrant workers who live in cramped dormitories throughout the city. An explosion in those cases saw its total tally balloon from a few hundred in early March to more than 20,000 now, making it Asia’s most infected nation after China and India despite its small population.

Now in the fifth week of a population-wide lockdown imposed as the second wave of cases emerged, experts say the ability to test widely will be key to getting Singapore back to a position where it can consider easing restrictions. In China, where the virus first emerged, most business and industrial activity has resumed, with companies requiring workers to test negative before returning to offices or factories.

Test kits -- which identify if the coronavirus’ genetic sequence is present in a person’s sample -- comprise dozens of components, from nasal swabs to chemicals with names like taq polymerase that help amplify the viral DNA so it can be detected.

Because of its lack of low-end manufacturing capacity, some of Singapore’s worst shortages have actually been in basic, cheap components like swabs that are inserted into a person’s nasal cavity to retrieve the sample to be tested. In a Facebook post last month, Ho Ching, chief executive officer of state investor Temasek Holdings Pte and the prime minister’s wife, gave the example of a “gold standard swab producer” in Italy that had supplied all of Singapore’s hospitals “turning inwards” as the European nation shifted resources to its domestic outbreak.

15-cm long stick

But as new local producers like Teehee Dental are finding, the humble nasal swab is more difficult to make from scratch than it seems.

Teehee Dental Works, a clinic in Singapore’s glitzy Orchard Road shopping district, first put its 3D printers to work after one of founder Yang Xiao’s relatives caught the virus last month. Between patients, Yang and his team scoured the internet searching for instructions on how to make the perfect nasopharyngeal swab.

“It sounds fairly simple to make a stick,” he said. “But once you get into the process of it you quickly realize it’s a difficult process to get to the final design.”

After 15 tries, they finally landed on a model with the right balance of thickness and thinness to be used effectively and reproduced in large batches: 15cm long with a latticed head made of biomedical plastic. Several packs have already been sent to hospitals and clinics in Singapore and its neighbors as well as parts of Europe for clinical trials.

Other local companies like 3D printing firm Chemtron, which usually manufactures drones and jewelry, are ready to start making swabs as well, said business development manager Tony Moochala.

Moochala said his team brought home their eight 3D printers since their office closed. “They’re on standby 24 hours a day, seven days a week.”

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[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Guest Test Kit said:

Singapore’s Late Pivot to Mass Tests Challenged by Kit Shortage

David Ramli and Faris Mokhtar

2 hrs ago

 

.

..

...

....

 

 

 

Kit shortage and we still can donate tests kits to other people ... 

 

https://www.mfa.gov.sg/Overseas-Mission/Manila/Mission-Updates/2020/03/SG-donates-40000-COVID-19-test-kits-and-two-ventilators_20200328

https://www.connectedtoindia.com/singapores-temasek-foundation-donates-30000-covid-19-test-kits-to-india-7382.html

 

[jlone]

52 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

两少年在滨海湾钓鱼 网民：代价肯定不止300元

Looks like an old video because the guy walked past them did not wear mask at all>

[Zackling]

listening to 938fm.. lawrence wong said.. May 12, some businesses are opening up, but please there's no need to one shot all go out to cut ur hair.. there's always a time to do so.. pace urself.. 

 

u don't have to rush to these businesses to spend ur money.. 

 

we have inspectors going to all these businesses.. if they don't have the safety precautions taken.. our inspectors will tell u to close ur businesses & fine u on the spot.. and we will tend have to extend the closure of ur business based on the severity of it.. 

[Zackling]

those who are caught fishing in marina bay area.. 

 

Those caught fishing outside designated areas or using live bait will be fined $50 for their first offence and $200 for their second offence. Offenders will be prosecuted for subsequent offences and can also be fined up to $3,000.

 

and on top if caught not wearing mask

 

S$300.00  per person.

[Guest demoted]

4 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Why did Mr Tan only served 1 year?  What can be achieved in a year? In private sector,  this should be refer as job hob and it will be questioned by the future employer.

Having served at the army doesn't mean you will be a good minister.

If you look at his career it seems he was demoted as he went down on the hierarchy from MOM to Ministry of Social and Family . After two years only he is made speaker of Parliament. 

There could have been issues in internally running the Ministries. 

[lonelyglobe]

6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Not sure if we will 40k cases,

if yes then its half of China cases.

Actually if u take into consideration of the population and size of the country,  I would say SG is even worse than China at this point and it is so amazing that the virus starting from China and they hvae managed to get themselves out of the top 10 with most infected cases based on official records. 

[Guest Try and see]

16 hours ago, Since u r here said:

 

 

The MOH finally came to their senses.

 

TCM has a lot of herbs that can strengthen the immune system, not to mention a lot of people (not just old folks) rely on TCM to maintain their health.

Should never have closed the TCM shops in the first place.

[leo yok loo]

14 minutes ago, Guest Try and see said:

 

The MOH finally came to their senses.

 

TCM has a lot of herbs that can strengthen the immune system, not to mention a lot of people (not just old folks) rely on TCM to maintain their health.

Should never have closed the TCM shops in the first place.

Because to them , TCM is not essential. Barber shop is essential. Is really up to them to say. Hopeless...

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Guest Try and see said:

 

The MOH finally came to their senses.

 

TCM has a lot of herbs that can strengthen the immune system, not to mention a lot of people (not just old folks) rely on TCM to maintain their health.

Should never have closed the TCM shops in the first place.

 

cos they scared alot of old folks with poor immune system will start to congregate

[Guest Guest]

now that we have surpassed the "Swiss Standard of Living" in the total cases per million population, dearest USA, here we come....! 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Deaths/ 1M pop	Total Tests	Tests/ 1M pop
USA	1,322,163	+378	78,616	+1	223,749	1,019,798	16,978	3,994	238	8,638,846	26,099
Isle of Man	329		23		271	35	19	3,869	270	3,625	42,631
Singapore	22,460	+753	20		2,040	20,400	22	3,839	3	175,604	30,016
Italy	217,185		30,201		99,023	87,961	1,168	3,592	500	2,445,063	40,440
Switzerland	30,207		1,823		26,100	2,284	101	3,490	211	301,675	34,857

[Guest numbers]

18 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Actually if u take into consideration of the population and size of the country,  I would say SG is even worse than China at this point and it is so amazing that the virus starting from China and they hvae managed to get themselves out of the top 10 with most infected cases based on official records. 

 

Isn't it very obvious for the numbers from the People's Republic of China to be fake?

 

Even if the infection rate stands at 0.3 per 100,000 the numbers in China can't be serious.

 

 

If Germany has a death number of 0.00092% for a total population of 85 million, if you just take the Hubei province in China, the same number (Germany: which is one of the lowest for a bigger country), then I would reach 5,220 deaths just for Hubei province.

If Germany has a total infection rate of 0.0025 from the total population, if I take just the Hubei province again (latest number available from 2015 is 58 mil people) I reach around 145,000 infected (just for this province) .

 

Compare these amounts with the numbers from PRC.

 

The actual deaths in China should be somewhere between 70,000 to 150,000 and not just 4,500.

 

If you look at the overcrowded hospitals from the videos from China during the crisis, I don't think the healthcare system was able to handle it.

 

My personal assumption: as soon as one patient had any "side illnesses" (Hypertension, diabetes, kidney issues,...) the government did not count them in. And probably all early deaths from October to December 2019 were not counted either.

 

Conclusion: don't bother about the numbers from PRC and ignore them. Don't take them as any reference for any other country.

 

To me, this reporting of fake numbers is the most embarrassing now for the PRC, because it is so obvious for the numbers being fake.

[Guest numbers]

typographical error

 

8 minutes ago, Guest numbers said:

 

Isn't it very obvious for the numbers from the People's Republic of China to be fake?

 

Even if the infection rate stands at 0.3 per 100,000 the numbers in China can't be serious.

 

 

If Germany has a death number of 0.000092% for a total population of 85 million, if you just take the Hubei province in China, the same number (Germany: which is one of the lowest for a bigger country), then I would reach 5,220 deaths just for Hubei province.

If Germany has a total infection rate of 0.0025 from the total population, if I take just the Hubei province again (latest number available from 2015 is 58 mil people) I reach around 145,000 infected (just for this province) .

 

Compare these amounts with the numbers from PRC.

 

The actual deaths in China should be somewhere between 70,000 to 150,000 and not just 4,500.

 

If you look at the overcrowded hospitals from the videos from China during the crisis, I don't think the healthcare system was able to handle it.

 

My personal assumption: as soon as one patient had any "side illnesses" (Hypertension, diabetes, kidney issues,...) the government did not count them in. And probably all early deaths from October to December 2019 were not counted either.

 

Conclusion: don't bother about the numbers from PRC and ignore them. Don't take them as any reference for any other country.

 

To me, this reporting of fake numbers is the most embarrassing now for the PRC, because it is so obvious for the numbers being fake.

 

The correct number is at 0.000092 per 85 million population (missed out one "0" behind the comma).

[Guest Institutioned]

17 minutes ago, Since u r here said:

 

Besides Singapore Expo and Tanjong Pagar Terminal, seems the government must build another third facility to cater for all those mental ill people for being reprimanded at institutions...

[G_M]

This post will be locked and no more bickering and fights and tantrums.

[jlone]

3 hours ago, Guest numbers said:

 

Isn't it very obvious for the numbers from the People's Republic of China to be fake?

 

Even if the infection rate stands at 0.3 per 100,000 the numbers in China can't be serious.

 

 

If Germany has a death number of 0.00092% for a total population of 85 million, if you just take the Hubei province in China, the same number (Germany: which is one of the lowest for a bigger country), then I would reach 5,220 deaths just for Hubei province.

If Germany has a total infection rate of 0.0025 from the total population, if I take just the Hubei province again (latest number available from 2015 is 58 mil people) I reach around 145,000 infected (just for this province) .

 

Compare these amounts with the numbers from PRC.

 

The actual deaths in China should be somewhere between 70,000 to 150,000 and not just 4,500.

 

If you look at the overcrowded hospitals from the videos from China during the crisis, I don't think the healthcare system was able to handle it.

 

My personal assumption: as soon as one patient had any "side illnesses" (Hypertension, diabetes, kidney issues,...) the government did not count them in. And probably all early deaths from October to December 2019 were not counted either.

 

Conclusion: don't bother about the numbers from PRC and ignore them. Don't take them as any reference for any other country.

 

To me, this reporting of fake numbers is the most embarrassing now for the PRC, because it is so obvious for the numbers being fake.

I strongly agree with you. The reports from china are all fake!