All about Covid-19 Discussion in Singapore (compiled)

February 12, 2020

Kudos to these 4 brave souls who dare suggest against the official stance..

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2020/02/12/local-medical-practitioners-issue-signed-letter-to-advise-everyone-to-wear-a-mask-always-when-leaving-home/

Medical practitioners issue signed letter to advise everyone to wear a mask always when leaving home

February 12, 2020

13 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

You try INDIA... 😓 😓 😓

3 cases since the onset?

Bluff also don't bluff until like that la...

India economy not so good. If they announced the real number. The ceca agreement will take a toll if countries start banning their citizens. Modi politics will be in trouble. To find out. Every Indian citizen needs to be scanned for fever. If a few of them are caught to have covic virus in the airport then confirmed India has lied about only 3 cases. But so far most imported cases came from China. So there might be some truth in India numbers?

February 13, 2020

4 hours ago, Guest Solid Neh Neh said:

India economy not so good. If they announced the real number. The ceca agreement will take a toll if countries start banning their citizens. Modi politics will be in trouble. To find out. Every Indian citizen needs to be scanned for fever. If a few of them are caught to have covic virus in the airport then confirmed India has lied about only 3 cases. But so far most imported cases came from China. So there might be some truth in India numbers?

With the active shedding of virus within the long incubation period, fever scanning is quite an ineffective measure. Many would be undetected and under reported, imagine if we are keep opening our gates to them.

Hubei adds 15,000 new cases on data revision

Hubei, the Chinese province at the center of the coronavirus epidemic, reported 14,840 new cases as it revised the method for counting infections.

The death toll climbed to at least 1,355 as the number of fatalities in Hubei more than doubled to 242 for Feb. 12. The yen rose and U.S. stock futures dropped on the data. Hubei province said it carried out a review of past suspected cases, and revised its data to include “clinically diagnosed" cases in its daily disclosure. Of the 14,840 new cases, 13,332 are from the new category, while of the 242 new deaths, 135 are from the new category.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/coronavirus-update-hubei-adds-15-000-new-cases-on-data-revision-11581552788309.html

AFter8 · February 13, 2020

26 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

After reading through this thread,

I am so afraid that I am cancelling my trip to Singapore

that I didn't plan to do anyway.

Same with any trips to Asia. Texas is safe, especially inside my home

Unless absolutely necessary, do stay home and stay safe.

lonelyglobe · February 13, 2020

2 hours ago, Guest Trusting said:

Does anyone trust the numbers from China?

As long as the Chinese are banned to come here, no new spreaders .

Strangely SQ and SilkAir is still offering flights to Chinese cities. ...

On the other issue: I actually wonder why still no masks available?

Did someone who distributed 4 masks per pax to residents buy all available stocks? Are they keeping back stocks for a worst case scenario?

Someone gave an interview around 28 January and said Singapore has sufficient stock of masks. But where? In the underground bunkers at Bukit Timah hill?

just wondering........

Is not about china anymore, local cases have surpass those imported ones and seems like there is no effective ways to stop it since there can be no signs and symptoms at the initial stage.

Do we have mask factory production here? Our main supplies came from china and taiwan and both are already in deep shit, how to help us?

Tell people enough mask people already so panic, what if tell u no more mask stock?

The 4 mask better put in safe and save it for the near future.

LeanMature · February 14, 2020

Not as deadly as SARS but more infectious and spread faster. No one can confirmed but looking at the speed of infection, it's already airborne and aerosol.

February 14, 2020

看一下日本的冠状病毒防疫指南

简单、明了、科学 看完了就不用恐慌了

转发出去让更多人看到

http://www.secwk.com/2020/02/12/16123/

AFter8 · February 14, 2020

58 minutes ago, Guest Tabulated Guide said:

看一下日本的冠状病毒防疫指南

简单、明了、科学 看完了就不用恐慌了

转发出去让更多人看到

http://www.secwk.com/2020/02/12/16123/

From a scientific viewpoint, where it puts a 30 minute survival period in nasal mucus, how does it even incubate 14 days in the human body then erupt with pneumonia-like symptoms and making the person sick? 🤔

AFter8 · February 14, 2020

1 hour ago, Since u r here said:

Some debated it might take up to 24days now, anyway if it is inside our body , it can grow on other cells

Also not just nasal but throat mucus too...

I can't agree more with you on this. 👍

One thing for everyone to note about viruses is that, unlike bacteria, they are not living matter, so they can't grow nor die, but can copy their gene material through being parasites to host cells, then deplete all known nutrient and multiplication-worthy nutrients in those cells afterwhich burst them to release the newly-copied viruses. The same behavior goes for HIV, flu viruses and Zika.

They can only be destroyed.

Only when one's body's immunity system is kept strong, can it produce healthy cells to battle it out with the viruses. So patients down with any virus will develop fever, as their 'soldiers' generate heat while fighting these foreign and alien 'intruders'. Just like Starship Troopers lol..

lonelyglobe · February 14, 2020

the situation doesn't look good at all, with China far from over and Indonesia just started tracing those who have came into contact with a china man who tested positive after return from a vacation in Bali.

February 14, 2020

1 hour ago, lonelyglobe said:

the situation doesn't look good at all, with China far from over and Indonesia just started tracing those who have came into contact with a china man who tested positive after return from a vacation in Bali.

didn't listen properly ?

Don't cause any reasons for panic reactions....

😉

lonelyglobe · February 14, 2020

NEWS

13 FEBRUARY 2020

Scientists fear coronavirus spread in countries least able to contain it

Concerns are rising about the virus’s potential to circulate undetected in Africa and Asia.

Smriti Mallapaty

Thai officials handing face masks to pedestrians at a handout station in Bangkok

Officials in Bangkok, Thailand hand out face masks in crowded areas.Credit: Lauren DeCicca/Getty

Infections of the new coronavirus have now been detected in 24 countries outside China. But researchers warn that cases might be going undetected in some nations that are considered at high risk of an outbreak but are reporting fewer cases than expected, or none at all.

The possibility of unreported cases is particularly concerning in countries with weaker health-care systems, such as those in southeast Asia and Africa, which could quickly be overwhelmed by a local outbreak, experts say. Although no cases have yet been reported in Africa, some countries there, such as Nigeria, are at particular risk because of their strong business ties to China.

Researchers have been using flight data to create models of the virus’s possible spread around the world. On 11 February, the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses officially named the virus SARS-CoV-2, highlighting its similarity to the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

One model identified 30 countries or regions at risk of importing SARS-CoV-2 on the basis of the large number of flights from Wuhan, the outbreak’s epicentre, and from other cities in China with many travellers from Wuhan. The model used flight data from February 2018.

Southeast Asia

Thailand is the country most exposed, according to the study¹, which was posted on the medRxiv preprint server on 5 February. Thirty-three people with the infection have been reported there so far, of whom 23 had been in China. But Shengjie Lai, an epidemiologist at the University of Southampton, UK, and a co-author of the study, says the model estimates that Thailand probably imported 207 cases in the 2 weeks before travel in and out of Wuhan was restricted.

Indonesia has not reported a single case so far, and yet the country is a popular destination for Chinese tourists. Lai says it might have imported as many as 29 cases. Several other countries, including Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia and Australia, have also reported fewer cases than the model predicts, he says.

Although it’s possible that there have truly been no cases in Indonesia, infected people might have recovered before they were detected, says epidemiologist Andrew Tatem, a co-author of the study also at the University of Southampton. What is worrying is the chance that cases have gone undetected and the virus is spreading under the radar, he says.

Another model of SARS-CoV-2’s international spread suggests that cases in Indonesia, Thailand and Cambodia are lower than expected. Cambodia has so far reported only one case. The results of that study², based on flights out of Wuhan between January and February 2019 and authored by a team from the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston, Massachusetts, were also posted on medRxiv on 5 February.

Despite the models’ predictions, Amin Soebandrio, an infectious-disease scientist and chair of the Eijkman Institute for Molecular Biology in Jakarta, is confident that Indonesia has the capacity to detect SARS-CoV-2 in people if it arrives.

But some countries in southeast Asia have limited numbers of health-care workers, hospital beds, support staff, ventilators and other equipment, and would struggle to respond to a surge in cases of the virus, says Richard Coker, a retired public-health physician based in Bangkok.

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), said the agency’s decision to declare the outbreak a global health emergency, the agency’s highest level of alarm, was mainly based on concerns that SARS-CoV-2 could spread in countries with weaker health-care systems.

lonelyglobe · February 14, 2020

SINGAPORE - Nine more coronavirus cases have been confirmed here, with six linked to the Grace Assembly of God church.

The church is now the biggest cluster, with 13 confirmed cases. The first two patients there tested positive on Feb 11.

Three more new cases have also surfaced, bringing the total number of those who have been infected to 67, the Ministry of Health said on Friday (Feb 14).

This includes a PUB employee, an administrative staff who works in the Environment Building.

Even as more cases are uncovered and Singapore steps up measures to contain the virus, there are no plans to further increase the current alert level, said Health Minister Gan Kim Yong at a press conference.

"I want to say categorically that we have no plans to go to Dorscon red," said Mr Gan, who co-chairs a multi-ministry task force with National Development Minister Lawrence Wong.

sphere · February 14, 2020

Hendry previously posted JJ Lin's song (over here) to support those front line staffs, there is also another overseas version (with various artists) below.

Let us all help each other fight and survive this "crisis" (with less argument) eh.

Wang Leehom did a solo version too.

February 15, 2020

Ontario couple have recovered but are still testing positive for coronavirus

https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/2020/02/13/ontario-couple-have-recovered-but-are-still-testing-positive-for-coronavirus.html

lonelyglobe · February 15, 2020

CAIRO: Egypt's health ministry on Friday (Feb 14) announced the first confirmed case of the novel coronavirus in Africa.

February 15, 2020

If a person has recovered but still getting a relapses later on, it is a bad sign. First! the virus is not easily eradicated. 2nd, the virus might become immune to the HIV drugs and make it hard to create a cure vaccine. 3rd, it mutated and became something more deadly. Let's hope it won't become something hard to cure like AIDs. Otherwise, the world in in deep shit.

lonelyglobe · February 15, 2020

1 hour ago, Guest Freaky Scary Fright said:

If a person has recovered but still getting a relapses later on, it is a bad sign. First! the virus is not easily eradicated. 2nd, the virus might become immune to the HIV drugs and make it hard to create a cure vaccine. 3rd, it mutated and became something more deadly. Let's hope it won't become something hard to cure like AIDs. Otherwise, the world in in deep shit.

Coronavirus ‘could infect 60% of global population if unchecked

The coronavirus epidemic could spread to about two-thirds of the world’s population if it cannot be controlled, according to Hong Kong’s leading public health epidemiologist.

His warning came after the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) said recent cases of coronavirus patients who had never visited China could be the “tip of the iceberg”.

Prof Gabriel Leung, the chair of public health medicine at Hong Kong University, said the overriding question was to figure out the size and shape of the iceberg. Most experts thought that each person infected would go on to transmit the virus to about 2.5 other people. That gave an “attack rate” of 60-80%.

“Sixty per cent of the world’s population is an awfully big number,” Leung told the Guardian in London, en route to an expert meeting at the WHO in Geneva on Tuesday.

lonelyglobe · February 15, 2020

What is scary is not just the virus but the attitude and capabilities of countries. We have country that claimed they got zero case, country that are not prepared to deal with the virus due to lack of resources and experience in handling emergency situations.

If SG and Japan failed to contain the spread of the virus in their country, what can be expected of Africa and other SE Asian countries?

February 15, 2020

2 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

What is scary is not just the virus but the attitude and capabilities of countries. We have country that claimed they got zero case, country that are not prepared to deal with the virus due to lack of resources and experience in handling emergency situations.

If SG and Japan failed to contain the spread of the virus in their country, what can be expected of Africa and other SE Asian countries?

First Hong Kong and Singapore, now ‘virus-free’ Indonesia hit by panic buying

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3050731/coronavirus-first-hong-kong-and-singapore-now-virus

February 15, 2020

China disinfects BANK NOTES and quarantines them for 14 days

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8006897/China-quarantines-BANK-NOTES-bid-stop-spread-coronavirus-death-toll-climbs-1-526.html

February 15, 2020

France announces first COVID-19 death outside Asia

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/france-announces-first-coronavirus-death-outside-asia-12438550

lonelyglobe · February 15, 2020

SINGAPORE - Five more coronavirus cases have been confirmed here, bringing the total number of those who have been infected to 72, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said on Saturday (Feb 15).

Of the five new cases, three are linked to the cluster at Grace Assembly of God, one is linked to the cluster at Seletar Aerospace Heights construction site and the other case is linked to a non-medical contact of a doctor who was infected.

None of the new cases has recent travel history to China.

February 16, 2020

the hottest news from wuhan , china.

Signs of desperation and hopelessness, people are getting hopeless,

No medicines lead man to cough on health workers deliberately...more hopelessness

February 16, 2020

more hopelessness and desperation

this one dont know if she is doing some religious practice but still unhygienic hor

February 16, 2020

city in lockdown causes desperation

Kimochi · February 16, 2020

Super wtf these people are frustrated that they unable to get treatment and wanted to pull the rest of the people to get the virus as well!!! Father fuckers!!!!

AFter8 · February 16, 2020

Whoops 🤭

AFter8 · February 16, 2020

2 hours ago, Kimochi said:

Super wtf these people are frustrated that they unable to get treatment and wanted to pull the rest of the people to get the virus as well!!! Father fuckers!!!!

Just imagine this virus’ gene ends up in the wrong hands and becomes biological warfare with kamikaze superspreaders, then all hell break loose. 😑

Kimochi · February 16, 2020

2 minutes ago, AFter8 said:

Just imagine this virus’ gene ends up in the wrong hands and becomes biological warfare with kamikaze superspreaders, then all hell break loose. 😑

Its already breaking loose haha

February 16, 2020

7 hours ago, Guest riku riku said:

the hottest news from wuhan , china.

Signs of desperation and hopelessness, people are getting hopeless,

No medicines lead man to cough on health workers deliberately...more hopelessness

7 hours ago, Guest rogue ro said:

more hopelessness and desperation

this one dont know if she is doing some religious practice but still unhygienic hor

7 hours ago, Guest rogue ro said:

city in lockdown causes desperation

These cases not from Singapore, why bother?

Just PRC shaming?

Go other forums if you just want to shame... hardwarezone got many like you! We are a friendly gay forum and don't need this here!

February 16, 2020

Maybe some perspective

Every day, some 150000 persons die.

Panic panic panic

February 16, 2020

Who should we believe , faith one or medical one .....

medical one better ?

xiaomimi · February 16, 2020

It really worries me that every now and then there’s new cases coming up

February 17, 2020

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/lew-olowski-coronavirus-worse-than-reported-heres-how-china-is-making-the-situation-worse.amp

Fox News

☰

OPINION

Published February 16, 2020

Last Update 8 hrs ago

Lew Olowski: Coronavirus worse than reported – here's how China is catching up to reality

China’s novel coronavirus, COVID-19, has killed and infected more people than officially reported.

Consider the latest numbers. In one day, total reported infections and deaths increased 44 percent and 23 percent, respectively. But not “because of any change in the shape of the outbreak,” which is nonetheless growing near-exponentially. Rather, it was merely because “the government changed the criteria by which it tracks confirmed cases.”

The official tally has been an underestimate and is still catching up to reality. As of Saturday, more than 1,500 people had reportedly died of the virus, with more than 69,000 cases reported worldwide. About 99 percent of the cases have been reported in China.

Even before the adjustment, circumstances suggested weeks ago that “the outbreak is spreading far beyond the official count of cases.”

Many causes contribute to this undercounting.

First, the prevailing diagnostic test for COVID-19 may be only 30 to 40 percent accurate. Some carriers who took the diagnostic test were falsely cleared and erroneously excluded from the official tally.

Second, the diagnostic test itself is scarce. Tests are rationed for the most obviously symptomatic patients. But carriers can be asymptomatic. And they can be contagious before they even show signs of infection.

Third, Chinese hospitals have been overwhelmed with patients. Some people were turned away at the door. Others waited in day-long triage. The sickest may have been too weak to even attempt a hospital visit. Others were deterred from treatment by the wait times and shortages, so they self-quarantined. Yet only those who obtained medical treatment and also tested positive for the virus were included in the official tally.

Fourth, resources and public attention have concentrated on Wuhan, a city of 11 million, where the first cases of COVID-19 were reported. However, tens of millions more live in Wuhan’s surrounding province, Hubei, which is less equipped with healthcare services. To the extent uncounted cases exist in Wuhan, more uncounted cases exist in Wuhan’s exurbs.

In order for China's ruling Communist Party to have responded to COVID-19 this drastically, the death toll would first have had to exceed local officials’ capacity to cover it up, and then also convinced the nation’s top officials that it represents an existential threat.

Fifth, on top of these logistical challenges, politics also prevents an accurate appraisal. China’s communist government is a totalitarian, one-party state. The party justifies its monopoly by promising social stability and economic growth. News of an outbreak threatens both objectives, so the party has an existential interest in suppressing bad news.

“Political issues are at any time the most fundamental major issues,” said Hubei governor Wang Xiaodong.

For example, Dr. Li Wenliang noticed the virus in his hospital before it was publicly reported. He told his colleagues to take extra precautions.

So when government authorities learned of Dr. Li’s discovery, they did not contain the virus. They contained Dr. Li, instead. He was arrested and forced to sign a false confession for spreading “rumors.” Officially, there was no virus.

Dr. Li died of COVID-19 several weeks later.

Meanwhile, two others who also exposed the virus’s impact, Chen Qiushi and Fang Bin, were uploading videos from inside Wuhan. Government authorities tracked them down and disappeared them. Chen’s family believes he was detained in quarantine with COVID-19 carriers, even though he appeared healthy.

For decades, China’s communist party has treated dissidents like an “evil” virus to be isolated and eliminated. Victims include a Nobel Peace Prize laureate and human rights activists guilty of merely appealing to China’s own laws for relief from abusive officials. The party shoots the messenger.

In this environment, censorship is the rule. Dissenters are the exception.

The severity of the Chinese government’s actual response to COVID-19 is a more reliable indicator than the disease’s publicly acknowledged tally. While admitting to just 17 deaths from the virus, the party quarantined a region of about 60 million people. This decision guaranteed multibillion-dollar economic losses.

It is inconceivable that the Chinese government would wilfully suffer such a cost for the sake of a few dozen — or even a few hundred — lives.

The party is generally insensitive to public health. Air pollution contributes to roughly 1.6 million deaths per year. About half the country’s water is too polluted to touch. Food poisoning is routine; infants have starved to death when their parents relied on counterfeit baby formula. Approximately a quarter-million people per year die in traffic accidents, partly because perverse incentives in tort law make it cheaper for a negligent driver to kill a pedestrian than to cripple one.

In order for the party to have responded to COVID-19 this drastically, the death toll would first have had to exceed local officials’ capacity to cover it up, and then also convinced the nation’s top officials that it represents an existential threat.

After all, before coronavirus, the biggest story out of China was its gulag-style network of detention camps where Uighur people are concentrated because of their religion and ethnicity.

The party of Mao Zedong did not suddenly experience a “come to Pasteur” moment while it was in the middle of committing a possible genocide.

This does not suggest the Chinese government is wrong to take extreme measures against COVID-19. To the contrary, it suggests the problem is even worse than the party admits

February 17, 2020

12 hours ago, Guest silly shame game said:

These cases not from Singapore, why bother?

Just PRC shaming?

Go other forums if you just want to shame... hardwarezone got many like you! We are a friendly gay forum and don't need this here!

"Why bother"? "PRC shaming"??

Why? Are you trying to hide the truth? Don't forget, we easily have a few hundreds of thousands PRCs here. If they can behave like barbarians in their own home country, what makes you think they won't do so to deliberately infect us here?

Or, are you going to claim that those guys in the videos are all Singaporeans now? Or perhaps Singaporeans also behave in the same way to spit and contaminate the lift buttons?

Furthermore, before Wuhan was shutdown on the 23 Jan, an approximated 300,000 people left the city in a rush to all the other China cities. And it also turned out that our first case of a Wuhan PRC was also found on 23 Jan in Singapore too. How would you know he didn't sneeze or spit on the lift buttons everywhere?

And you want to ask us "why bother"? You don't need anyone else to do any "PRC shaming" when they are doing such a fine job themselves.

February 17, 2020

Import of Hand Sanitisers, Masks, Thermometers and Protective Gear

As of 14 Feb 2020,

"HSA has implemented measures to facilitate the import of the following essential medical devices into Singapore during this period.

- Surgical masks;

- Particulate respirators;

- Thermometers for measuring human body temperature;

- Any protective gear

If you are importing masks, thermometers and/or protective gear for personal use or for commercial and other purposes, you are required to notify HSA of your import."

https://www.hsa.gov.sg/announcements/regulatory-updates/import-of-hand-sanitisers-masks-thermometers-and-protective-gear

https://www.thewackyduo.com/2020/02/import-of-surgical-masks-respirators.html

February 17, 2020

29 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Import of Hand Sanitisers, Masks, Thermometers and Protective Gear

As of 14 Feb 2020,

"HSA has implemented measures to facilitate the import of the following essential medical devices into Singapore during this period.

- Surgical masks;

- Particulate respirators;

- Thermometers for measuring human body temperature;

- Any protective gear

If you are importing masks, thermometers and/or protective gear for personal use or for commercial and other purposes, you are required to notify HSA of your import."

https://www.hsa.gov.sg/announcements/regulatory-updates/import-of-hand-sanitisers-masks-thermometers-and-protective-gear

https://www.thewackyduo.com/2020/02/import-of-surgical-masks-respirators.html

And how are they trying to "facilitate" the import? Have they even helped to do so in the past few weeks?

Steve5380 · February 17, 2020

12 hours ago, Nightingale said:

Strengthening Your Immune Response to Viral Infections (COVID-19)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZYEgREuZ8

Thank you for the informative video. The more I learn about the immune system the more I am impressed not only by its complexity, but by the acquired knowledge of its complexity.

Yes, it is known that sleep is essential for a good immune system. This video has reminded me of this.

Lately with my hobbies that captivate my attention I sometimes stay up until midnight.

I will make the effort of going to bed no later than 10PM. From then on, I can sleep as long as I like since I am retired.

Usually I get up around 7AM to go to the gym. So I will see that I keep sleeping 8 or 9 hours.

I haven't had a cold in years. With this sleeping habit I hope to be able to stay away from infections indefinitely

lonelyglobe · February 17, 2020

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

And how are they trying to "facilitate" the import? Have they even helped to do so in the past few weeks?

I wonder too.....from the beginning I don't think they stop oversea tourists exporting cartons of mask out of SG, with two major mask import countries china and Taiwan both stop exporting mask till April, I really wonder how they are going to do that, not forgetting the whole world is short of mask especially in Asia.... It is a shame as we focus so much on building a 5G city but the basic essential lifesaving items are not available.

Edited February 17, 2020 by lonelyglobe

lonelyglobe · February 17, 2020

1 hour ago, Since u r here said:

reason for the delay: https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/singapore/redmart-apologises-for-delays-says-one-order-was-for-800-kg-of-goods/ar-BB103efB?ocid=spartandhp

Jesus Christ, what is this 800kg single purchase? I think redmart must make a police report and get them to investigate, who is exporting out our stocks again?

February 17, 2020

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

"Why bother"? "PRC shaming"??

Why? Are you trying to hide the truth? Don't forget, we easily have a few hundreds of thousands PRCs here. If they can behave like barbarians in their own home country, what makes you think they won't do so to deliberately infect us here?

Or, are you going to claim that those guys in the videos are all Singaporeans now? Or perhaps Singaporeans also behave in the same way to spit and contaminate the lift buttons?

Furthermore, before Wuhan was shutdown on the 23 Jan, an approximated 300,000 people left the city in a rush to all the other China cities. And it also turned out that our first case of a Wuhan PRC was also found on 23 Jan in Singapore too. How would you know he didn't sneeze or spit on the lift buttons everywhere?

And you want to ask us "why bother"? You don't need anyone else to do any "PRC shaming" when they are doing such a fine job themselves.

Because you always prefer to hit on foreigners. And you single out foreigners at every thread ignoring blatant bad practices by locals.

The truth is some Singaporeans have unhygienic or bad practices too.

Maybe you have not noted but there are Singaporeans who sneeze into their hands or sneeze the nose without any tissue at streets or empty their nose at the street without using any tissue or anything, practise spitting, clean their nose with bare fingers and push elevator buttons or press the button at buses. I have seen spit on floor of HDB lifts.

Don't always pretend it are only Foreigners who have bad practices.

There are plenty of locals of have very bad and unhygienic practices too.

Eventually, you start to read up on the news: The first cases in China occurred much earlier than 23 January and probably maybe already late November, if not earlier.

As you know (or maybe not) because of CNY many people travelled to their home towns in China starting 20 January.

We can take it as confirmed for plenty of Singaporeans having been in Wuhan during the time between November to 23 January.

With the the different clusters it was not only the one guy at the Hyatt conference who brought the virus to Singapore.

There were these people who visited the TCM shop near Lavender.

There are plenty of Singaporeans who had been in China and returned here before 23 January 2020. Before people coming from China were quarantined in Singapore, Singaporean business people or tourists could have contracted the virus and brought it back. Just look at the different clusters. They can't be linked to just that one case from 23 Jan.

Why don't you appeal to Singaporeans to learn and start practising more hygienic habits (instead of just pointing fingers to PRC people)?

Anyhow, I even met local neighbours who travelled to certain places to eat snakes or drink snake blood and other weird things. (I m sure they won't brag about their "eating" adventures at the moment...)

I m not playing down any bad habits of PRC people, I just urge to be fair and refrain from mere finger pointing.

There are even some local guys at our office building here, who I watched not washing their hands during the last weeks. I even reminded some to refrain from being ignorant. One lady at a fair price touched every tomato (really every) until I told her to cease such practices at the moment.