Covid-19 bickering & trolling and Out of topic banter!

[Guest Logical]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

The White House said that Trump tested negative.  Who knows?   Who can trust what they say?  If Trump is positive for covid19, the last thing they would do is to say so.

 

I just read that 3800 passengers were allowed to disembark from a cruise ship in Miami without being tested,  even if one passenger had tested positive in a previous tour of the ship with the same crew.   And at the international airports we see huge crowds of incoming passengers waiting to be screened for hours...   shouldn't people be protected from crowds?   It all seems to be set up by a bunch of idiots,  which is what has now infiltrated the government of the US.

If White House cannot be trusted, who can we trust? What if Biden or Nancy Pelosi tested positive & they r also not saying? Anyone with political interests should not be that easily trusted, whether it is Obama, Clinton, Biden or Trump. 
 

Did any of the 3800 passengers in the cruise that docked at Miami tested positive? The positive case happened with another set of passengers, not this set who docked. The main question is did any of the crew who had served that passenger tested positive? 
 

For the long wait at the airports, could it be precisely they were doing all that is necessary to protect the people; e.g. temperature screening & checking of passports & declaration forms etc to ensure returning residents do not pose any risks? 
 

There are also equal number of idiots out there who criticise almost anything and everything Trump administration do.

[Guest Duh!!]

16 minutes ago, Guest Panic buying said:

So u think panic buying n stockpiling at home is the solution?

No.  It is a waste of resource, and storage space. Product has expiry date, and some will become stale.  Even if you keep rice for too long, it will breed tiny bugs. Eating the same things will not be healthy too.  A person should eat variety of food, fresh from the earth, not some canned food or dried reserve foods.  If you spend too much money on food, you will have enough money for more important things...like paying other important things.

[Guest Duh!!]

Just now, Guest Duh!! said:

No.  It is a waste of resource, and storage space. Product has expiry date, and some will become stale.  Even if you keep rice for too long, it will breed tiny bugs. Eating the same things will not be healthy too.  A person should eat variety of food, fresh from the earth, not some canned food or dried reserve foods.  If you spend too much money on food, you will NOT have enough money for more important things...like paying other important things.

I stand corrected.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Stoopid]

2 hours ago, LeanMature said:

To curb panic buying, increase the price by 10 - 15% for a few days and it would immediate stopped. 

Better not make those stupid suggestion.  In Singapore,  once price goes up it will not come down.

 

[Guest KNN]

 

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/coronavirus-covid-19-chan-chun-sing-food-supply-12545326

 

This guy is such a bloody hypocrite! Behind closed doors, he called Singaporeans who hoarded the first round to be "xiasuay". In front of the reporters, he now say ""I can understand the fear and anxiety of some Singaporeans". 

 

Seriously?? Really KNS! 

He is not the only one.  LHL also talked about delaying election a month ago due to the convit.  Now that EBRC is announced, he said  may start GE soon.  These are people wearing "mask" not because of convit.

[Guest Blame culture]

33 minutes ago, jlone said:

In the end who will benefit with all these prices increasing. 

Think carefully

Typical complaints and blaming culture from those groups of typical negative singaporeans

[Guest Guest]

5 minutes ago, Guest Blame culture said:

Typical complaints and blaming culture from those groups of typical negative singaporeans

 

Typical and shameless victim-blaming from the rich and privileged class, standing high up in their ivory towers. 

[Guest Guest]

24 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Typical and shameless victim-blaming from the rich and privileged class, standing high up in their ivory towers. 

Once again, rich vs poor, privileged vs underprivileged.  Typical.

[Guest Guest]

33 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Once again, rich vs poor, privileged vs underprivileged.  Typical.

 

Or maybe, the intelligent Guest me versus the stupid Guest you. Typical? 

[Guest Angry]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Or maybe, the intelligent Guest me versus the stupid Guest you. Typical? 

Hahaha, angry already.

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, Guest Angry said:

Hahaha, angry already.

 

Hahaha, butthurt already. 

[Guest Covid]

I came accross, a prophecy by Slyvia Browne where she predicted a pneumonia like disease affecting the lungs and bronchea. According to her the disease will vanish as quickly as it arrived. Will come back 10 years later n then completely dissapear after that. 

[Guest Conspire]

I heard that nov coronavirus was not originated from Wuhan China instead from America. 

 

It was exposed by american citizen himzelf before was quickly covered up. 

 

Something about army personnel visiting the wuhan city and spread it to ppl there. 

 

Not sure how true it is. But if it is true, just feel unjust how China has been wrongfully taken the blame. How the snake and bat taken up the blame for something they never do. 

[Steve5380]

Sylvia Browne was an American medium.   So you can believe her like you believe in any mediums and clairvoyants.

Yet the coincidence is astounding.  Here is an article about it:

 

https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/did-psychic-sylvia-browne-predict-the-coronavirus-12-years-ago.html

 

 

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Guest Conspire said:

I heard that nov coronavirus was not originated from Wuhan China instead from America. 

 

It was exposed by american citizen himzelf before was quickly covered up. 

 

Something about army personnel visiting the wuhan city and spread it to ppl there. 

 

Not sure how true it is. But if it is true, just feel unjust how China has been wrongfully taken the blame. How the snake and bat taken up the blame for something they never do. 

 

Are you fabricating a new anti-American conspiracy?  

 

Those who fabricate and propagate stupid conspiracy theories are the real agents of evil sent  to earth from hell to wreak havoc among the human population.

[Guest Guest]

21 minutes ago, leo yok loo said:

Not only that, i heard our great leaders are providing our malaysia workers $50 each for 14 days. We hv 300000 workers. Imagine only half will get it: 150000×50×14...

Big money...i think spore printing money.

 

Sinkies got goodies too, cannot be sour, we get 500ml of hand sanitiser for whole household.

[Guest Spanish Flu]

On 3/17/2020 at 10:21 PM, Guest Conspire said:

I heard that nov coronavirus was not originated from Wuhan China instead from America. 

 

It was exposed by american citizen himzelf before was quickly covered up. 

 

Something about army personnel visiting the wuhan city and spread it to ppl there. 

 

Not sure how true it is. But if it is true, just feel unjust how China has been wrongfully taken the blame. How the snake and bat taken up the blame for something they never do. 

 

On 3/18/2020 at 11:45 AM, superflawless said:

#WuhanVirus #WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus

#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus#WuhanVirus

#NeverForget #NeverForget #NeverForget #NeverForget #NeverForget #NeverForget 

#NeverForget #NeverForget #NeverForget#NeverForget #NeverForget #NeverForget

 

Historians need to come up to explain about this rift. 

 

The Spanish Flu which spread starting in late 1917 during the First World War there was some unfairness for having named  it as the  Spanish Flu 

The name was taken as the Spanish King allegedly was sick and people associated it to the flu epidemic, then it got the nick name "Spanish Flu". 

The naming was unfair, as Spain was not much affected by the flu and surely not the origin of the epidemic. 

 

Some research actually led to the result the flu having originated in US, starting in military camps in Kansas. There was a spread of the flu in 14 US military camps in late 1917 in the US. 

Later other researchers found evidence of a flu in northern China in November 1917. There were about 100,000 Chinese labourers who worked behind the military lines in France and so the link was drawn  for the Chinese having brought the flu into France in late 1917. 

 

Therefore, the "battle" for the origin of the flu was the same for the "Spanish" flu as now for the Covid19. 

 

The Chinese Foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian is just taking a historical point in blaming the US military in reference to the questions of the origins of the "Spanish" Flu, which might have originally started in the US with the military in 1917. 

 

The Spanish flu infected 500 million people around the world, or about 27% of the world population of between 1.8 and 1.9 billion. The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest epidemics in human history. 

 

Comment: 

However, in these times, if the Covid19 had originated from the US, why was the disease not already prevalent in the US before the issues started in Wuhan? 

The Chinese Foreign ministry spokesman must not be so provocative. 

Nowadays, we always need to paint words as non offensive or peoples are taking offence when things are names this or the other way. 

Further, the Chinese authorities or scientists never came out with a conclusion on how the virus spread and from what incident it originated. 

Maybe because it wouldn't look good for the Chinese culture or eating habits? 

Then, China won't allow any neutral scientists to enter the country, such as it had been done for the MERS and the spread was linked to camels. 

Yes, it might not be advisable to name the virus "China virus" or "Wuhan virus" and official organisations like WHO would never name any virus by adding a country, that is why it was named originally Covid-19 and lately SARS-Covid-19. 

 

If China can't take it that they might have started this pandemic, what to say? Maybe you are overly sensitive? 

 

And is it wrong to point out, the Chinese government or Chinese authorities for not being transparent? 

We are all aware they aren't. 

 

The conspiracy theories started when doctors were silenced or disappeared...

 

But all in all, instead of having these "war of words", they better focus on how to contain the spread... 

 

 

 

US, China accuse each other of coronavirus

The United States and China on Monday each demanded that the other stop smearing its reputation over the novel coronavirus as the pandemic became the latest row between the powers.

The clash came on the day that the World Health Organization said more cases and deaths had been reported in the rest of the world than in China, where the new coronavirus virus was first detected late last year.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, in a phone call he initiated with top Chinese official Yang Jiechi, voiced anger that Beijing has used official channels "to shift blame for COVID-19 to the United States," the State Department said.

Pompeo "stressed that this is not the time to spread disinformation and outlandish rumors, but rather a time for all nations to come together to fight this common threat," the department added.

The State Department on Friday summoned the Chinese ambassador, Cui Tiankai, to denounce Beijing's promotion of a conspiracy theory that had gained wide attention on social media. 

Foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian, in tweets last week in both Mandarin and English, suggested that "patient zero" in the global pandemic may have come from the United States -- not the Chinese metropolis of Wuhan. 

"It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation," tweeted Zhao, who is known for his provocative statements on social media.

Scientists suspect that the virus first came to humans at a meat market in Wuhan that butchered exotic animals.

- 'Stern warning' to US -

Pompeo himself has sought to link China to the global pandemic, repeatedly referring to SARS-CoV-2 as the "Wuhan virus" despite advice from health professionals that such geographic labels can be stigmatizing.

 

Yang issued a "stern warning to the United States that any scheme to smear China will be doomed to fail," the official Xinhua news agency said in its summary of the call with Pompeo.

The key Chinese foreign policy leader "noted that some US politicians have frequently slandered China and its anti-epidemic efforts and stigmatized the country, which has enraged the Chinese people," Xinhua said.

"He urged the US side to immediately correct its wrongful behavior and stop making groundless accusations against China."

President Donald Trump, under fire over his handling of the pandemic, and his allies have sought to cast the coronavirus as a disease brought by foreigners.

Republican Senator Tom Cotton, a Trump ally, has spoken of the "Chinese coronavirus" and in a recent statement vowed, "we will hold accountable those who inflicted it on the world."

 

[Guest daydreaming]

On 3/17/2020 at 1:08 AM, Guest Guest said:

In all honesty, I am glad this virus is helping to put a halt on the excessive globalization. I hope countries like Singapore will start waking up to the idea of relying on ourself more from now onwards, instead of depending on everyone else for everything such as foreign labor and resources all the time. This is a good way to press the reset button to go back to the beginning for a restart, not by the force of human, but by the force of nature itself. 

 

Will we learn our lessons? Remains to be seen... 

 

I m always near to tears when I read posts like above. 

Nice to have such day dreamers and wish thinkers. But it is plain illogical to think that Singapore a country interconnected with the international business world can be self reliant, self sustainable. We are not in the 1960s. The world has changed and the way how an economy is run nowadays has changed. 

 

Just some questions: 

1. Will Singaporeans do the jobs that are currently done by Malaysians from Johor? 

2. Are there sufficient Singaporeans to take up such jobs or willing to take up these jobs? 

3. Even if we assume Singaporeans would do such jobs and if there are sufficient Singaporeans on hand: Would you be ready to pay 30 - 50 % more for any such services, goods...???

4. Are there local companies who are world leaders in a certain area, technology ... of Singaporean origin that cover essential facilities to run the country without depending on outside companies?

5. Is there sufficient knowledge and know how by Singaporeans to run the country independently without outsiders? 

 

Relying on ourselves seems to be more in "going back into stone age". 

 

Actually, when the head wind is over, I fail to see how the Corona virus will halt any further globalisation? 

The measures taken at the moment by certain countries are just meant to contain the spread and nothing else. They won't be long term. It is just something temporary. 

[Guest Guest]

43 minutes ago, Guest daydreaming said:

 

I m always near to tears when I read posts like above. 

Nice to have such day dreamers and wish thinkers. But it is plain illogical to think that Singapore a country interconnected with the international business world can be self reliant, self sustainable. We are not in the 1960s. The world has changed and the way how an economy is run nowadays has changed. 

 

Just some questions: 

1. Will Singaporeans do the jobs that are currently done by Malaysians from Johor? 

2. Are there sufficient Singaporeans to take up such jobs or willing to take up these jobs? 

3. Even if we assume Singaporeans would do such jobs and if there are sufficient Singaporeans on hand: Would you be ready to pay 30 - 50 % more for any such services, goods...???

4. Are there local companies who are world leaders in a certain area, technology ... of Singaporean origin that cover essential facilities to run the country without depending on outside companies?

5. Is there sufficient knowledge and know how by Singaporeans to run the country independently without outsiders? 

 

Relying on ourselves seems to be more in "going back into stone age". 

 

Actually, when the head wind is over, I fail to see how the Corona virus will halt any further globalisation? 

The measures taken at the moment by certain countries are just meant to contain the spread and nothing else. They won't be long term. It is just something temporary. 

 

I feel very very sorry each time I see self-defeating posts like yours. You have asked 5 questions, and I will just ask you ONE: Do we need 3.9 million foreigners including PRs and Work Passes in a country of only 3 million citizens?? 

 

Sure, we have always needed people to do jobs that Singaporeans do not want to do. This started off as a good justifiable reason for us to bring in some foreigners into the country. But over the decades under the new leadership, this justifiable reason has morphed to become such a lousy excuse, to the extent that Singaporeans, even now, are still doing jobs that we do not want to do, and foreigners are doing jobs that we want to do!! 

 

In the past, where the majority of the foreigners coming into the country were mainly Malaysians, things might be still acceptable with a much smaller numbers. Then in the course of pursuing cheaper and cheaper labor, even the Malaysians were sidelined and cheaper labor was brought in from China and India. We should have learnt our lessons when even the Malaysians were not cheap enough. In fact. even the PRCs and the India-Indians are already complaining about too much work and too little pay in Singapore right now, so cost of labor will only increase perpetually, and this started a long time ago with the salary demands from local citizens of any country. And countries such as Germany and Japan had already addressed it through automation long ago.

 

But yet, what have Singapore done? We took a short term cure of allowing foreigners to come into the country to address our labor shortages issue, and turned it into a permanent "heroin" addiction and claimed that to be the reason why we need foreigners, even when these jobs are meant for PMET levels. And because the government leaders legalized such "heroin" fixes, nobody bothered to look into the long term aspects of addressing the problem, such as forcing the companies to hire the locals, especially since the companies can have a million excuses as to why they still need the "heroin" fixes, such as lack of local expertise even though nobody is doing rocket-science or inventing time-travel here. 

 

Did you know when LKY was told there was a lack of engineers to make Singapore a manufacturing hub in the 1990s, what did he do? He trained almost an entire generation of students to be engineers. But you know what our current leaders do when they were told there is a lack of IT people in Singapore? They import all of them from India. 

 

Tell me if this is not an "heroin" addiction? And tell me if you are not an "heroin" addict? 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

4 hours ago, wilfgene said:

Hasn't he landed us in much hot soup?

This orr-larng 谭德塞 needs to be removed. 

 

Singapore Gov't listen too much to WHO because of this orr-larng! WHO kept giving the wrong info and NCID  took the wrong guidelines. Taiwan is the only country defied WHO and Taiwanese 陈时中 did well.

 

From the day of outbreak, I have been watching Taiwanese news. There are lots of negative YouTube clips about this "orr-larng".
 

[Guest Guest]

4 hours ago, Guest Spanish Flu said:

 

Historians need to come up to explain about this rift.  ... ...

 

Wall of text!

I posted YouTube clips in this forum but it was deleted! Those YouTube clips are informative. 

[Guest Guest]

5 hours ago, wilfgene said:

Hasn't he landed us in much hot soup?

 

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

This orr-larng 谭德塞 needs to be removed. 

 

Singapore Gov't listen too much to WHO because of this orr-larng! WHO kept giving the wrong info and NCID  took the wrong guidelines. Taiwan is the only country defied WHO and Taiwanese 陈时中 did well.

 

From the day of outbreak, I have been watching Taiwanese news. There are lots of negative YouTube clips about this "orr-larng".
 

 

I sometimes wonder how some people can get into positions of leadership. This guy is from (of all places) Ethiopia. So we have somebody from a 3rd world country acting as the Chief of the World Health Organization? He cannot even tend to his own backyard in his own country, and he is giving guidance to the entire world? Well done... and the world was listening to him on not wearing masks? Let's all clap for WHO....

 

[Guest Guest]

Outsource some more to the Filipinos lor...Lol... 

 

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/18/philippines_covid_lockdown_impacts_business_process_outsourcers/

 

Philippines sends all workers home, outsourced call centres for Acer and telcos suffer degraded service

 

[lonelyglobe]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

 

I sometimes wonder how some people can get into positions of leadership. This guy is from (of all places) Ethiopia. So we have somebody from a 3rd world country acting as the Chief of the World Health Organization? He cannot even tend to his own backyard in his own country, and he is giving guidance to the entire world? Well done... and the world was listening to him on not wearing masks? Let's all clap for WHO....

 

Correction,  he is not even giving guidance, everytime after something happen,  then he will talk about it,  his main function is to praise china, hope he is not so shameless to continue to stay on. 

[Guest Guest]

8 minutes ago, Since u r here said:

Yet he is so well paid and recognised

but we r nobody to judge 

 

Don't be mistaken:

You are nobody;

We are somebody. 

[wilfgene]

1 hour ago, Since u r here said:

Yet he is so well paid and recognised

but we r nobody to judge 

When the quality of your existence is at stake, you have every right to judge and determine if he's worth your while.

Think of him as a come-on.

[Guest daydreaming]

8 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

I feel very very sorry each time I see self-defeating posts like yours. You have asked 5 questions, and I will just ask you ONE: Do we need 3.9 million foreigners including PRs and Work Passes in a country of only 3 million citizens?? 

 

Sure, we have always needed people to do jobs that Singaporeans do not want to do. This started off as a good justifiable reason for us to bring in some foreigners into the country. But over the decades under the new leadership, this justifiable reason has morphed to become such a lousy excuse, to the extent that Singaporeans, even now, are still doing jobs that we do not want to do, and foreigners are doing jobs that we want to do!! 

 

In the past, where the majority of the foreigners coming into the country were mainly Malaysians, things might be still acceptable with a much smaller numbers. Then in the course of pursuing cheaper and cheaper labor, even the Malaysians were sidelined and cheaper labor was brought in from China and India. We should have learnt our lessons when even the Malaysians were not cheap enough. In fact. even the PRCs and the India-Indians are already complaining about too much work and too little pay in Singapore right now, so cost of labor will only increase perpetually, and this started a long time ago with the salary demands from local citizens of any country. And countries such as Germany and Japan had already addressed it through automation long ago.

 

But yet, what have Singapore done? We took a short term cure of allowing foreigners to come into the country to address our labor shortages issue, and turned it into a permanent "heroin" addiction and claimed that to be the reason why we need foreigners, even when these jobs are meant for PMET levels. And because the government leaders legalized such "heroin" fixes, nobody bothered to look into the long term aspects of addressing the problem, such as forcing the companies to hire the locals, especially since the companies can have a million excuses as to why they still need the "heroin" fixes, such as lack of local expertise even though nobody is doing rocket-science or inventing time-travel here. 

 

Did you know when LKY was told there was a lack of engineers to make Singapore a manufacturing hub in the 1990s, what did he do? He trained almost an entire generation of students to be engineers. But you know what our current leaders do when they were told there is a lack of IT people in Singapore? They import all of them from India. 

 

Tell me if this is not an "heroin" addiction? And tell me if you are not an "heroin" addict? 

 

 

 

 

1. Since when is the population of Singapore 6.9 million?

Something doesn't add up. 

Before coming with hyped population numbers, please verify them. 

Population is at 5.7 mil.

 

2. You didn't answer any of my 5 questions because you know the answer. 

Singaporeans don't want to have such jobs and there aren't sufficient Singaporeans , even assuming they wanted to work in these fields, to do these jobs. 

 

3. It is futile to discuss this over and over with you.

With near to full employment of Singaporeans, there are not even sufficient Singaporean to fill the gap (if you send all Foreigners back to their countries). 

If you want to send all Foreign Employees and workers home, all business would need to scale down on operations here, resulting in decreased profits, less market share and loss in competitive advantages. 

Most companies here would not be able to achieve business growth. 

 

4. Malaysian Chinese came to Singapore as they were able to achieve higher salaries compared to their home country. Once the Malaysian economy fared well, many returned home. 

In 2010 was a huge GDP growth (13%) which led to a shortage of workers in all sectors. 

 

5. You can't compare Singapore with 85 million / 100 million economies such as Germany or Japan, and being technology leaders in vast sectors. 

 

6. Unfortunately you are living in your own dream world, coming up with your slogans at every corner. I don't intend to bore BW readers with the same fights over and over against you surreal view of the business environment and workforce background in Singapore.  

 

7. The local Singaporean workforce is just too small to enable sustainable business growth and economic expansion of the businesses in Singapore (depending solely on the local workforce). 

 

8. You just intend to ignore this correlation of available local Singaporean workforce to the required workforce ensuring business growth, ongoing operations... to paste BW with your totally out of the world opinions. 

 

[Guest Guest]

16 minutes ago, Guest daydreaming said:

 

1. Since when is the population of Singapore 6.9 million?

Something doesn't add up. 

Before coming with hyped population numbers, please verify them. 

Population is at 5.7 mil.

 

2. You didn't answer any of my 5 questions because you know the answer. 

Singaporeans don't want to have such jobs and there aren't sufficient Singaporeans , even assuming they wanted to work in these fields, to do these jobs. 

 

3. It is futile to discuss this over and over with you.

With near to full employment of Singaporeans, there are not even sufficient Singaporean to fill the gap (if you send all Foreigners back to their countries). 

If you want to send all Foreign Employees and workers home, all business would need to scale down on operations here, resulting in decreased profits, less market share and loss in competitive advantages. 

Most companies here would not be able to achieve business growth. 

 

4. Malaysian Chinese came to Singapore as they were able to achieve higher salaries compared to their home country. Once the Malaysian economy fared well, many returned home. 

In 2010 was a huge GDP growth (13%) which led to a shortage of workers in all sectors. 

 

5. You can't compare Singapore with 85 million / 100 million economies such as Germany or Japan, and being technology leaders in vast sectors. 

 

6. Unfortunately you are living in your own dream world, coming up with your slogans at every corner. I don't intend to bore BW readers with the same fights over and over against you surreal view of the business environment and workforce background in Singapore.  

 

7. The local Singaporean workforce is just too small to enable sustainable business growth and economic expansion of the businesses in Singapore (depending solely on the local workforce). 

 

8. You just intend to ignore this correlation of available local Singaporean workforce to the required workforce ensuring business growth, ongoing operations... to paste BW with your totally out of the world opinions. 

 

 

Oh boy... Xenophile Disclosed yourself stirring shit over here again... Go get some real-world working life experience before you come preaching about what the real world is, wilya? 

[Guest daydreaming]

I m not sure who you are referring to.

 

Your response simply tells everyone, you have nothing to rebut. 

 

It is not our problem if you fail to understand the economic and workforce parameters of Singapore. 

 

Singapore never had sufficient local Singaporean workforce to guarantee business growth and expansion. Investors and FDI would move to other parts of SEA or the world if they are unable to grow. Due to the lack of business world champions Singapore is heavily reliant on inflow of FDI to ensure economic growth and job creation.  But it seems this is all too difficult for you to understand. 

 

You are chained into your own set of beliefs and lost touch to the real world / real Singapore and reject to accept certain parameters. 

[Guest MAGAKAG]

Donald Trump is actually doing a great job tackling the Covid 19 (Wuhan virus)crisis in the USA...simply love how he destroyed the fake news media.

 

[Steve5380]

14 hours ago, Shavedboy said:

Malaysia and the Philippines lockdown.

 

Hi Shavedboy,

 

I haven't heard about you in a while.  I hope you can cope with the chaos caused by the sudden lockdown in Manila. 

Take good care of yourself and stay healthy!

 

Steve

[Guest Guest]

4 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Hi Shavedboy,

 

I haven't heard about you in a while.  I hope you can cope with the chaos caused by the sudden lockdown in Manila. 

Take good care of yourself and stay healthy!

 

Steve

 

You know how to private message instead？

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Guest MAGAKAG said:

Donald Trump is actually doing a great job tackling the Covid 19 (Wuhan virus)crisis in the USA...simply love how he destroyed the fake news media.

 

 

There is no "fake news media" in the US.  This term has been invented by Trump and his cronies.

 

There is "false, deceptive news", which is what FOX News constantly launches on the internet and TV.

Observe in your video how Trump is reading everything from his script.  He must have some advisers who don't let him disgrace himself too much.

And notice how his emphasis is in helping businesses.  This is in line with his interests.

His initial inactivity and his lies have already disgraced him quite a bit.  And now his Propaganda Machine is trying to correct this.

 

Joseph Goebbles was Hitler's Minister of Propaganda.  Trump does not have a formal one,  but he surely has a team of clever propagandists.

 

[Guest Guest]

40 minutes ago, LeanMature said:

One point I need to clarify about work pass holder (New and existing) - DO THEY NEED TO SEEK APPROVAL BEFORE FLYING INTO SJNGAPORE ? 

 

If you are referring to FOREIGN DOMESTIC WORKERS coming into Singapore, I know for sure there was a directive issued on 15 March by MOM for the employers/employment agencies to apply for a different type of approval first before they can come in. This directive seems to be still standing and there has been no changes, as far as I know. 

 

 https://www.mom.gov.sg/newsroom/press-releases/2020/0315-entry-approval-and-shn-requirements-for-all-new-and-returning-foreign-domestic-workers

 

For the other types of long term passes, which I believe work pass is considered to be, I think approval is not needed. But must serve 14d Stay Home Notice order and also show evidence of where they can stay for 14 days. 

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/additional-measures-for-travellers-to-reduce-further-importation-of-covid-19-cases

 

You might need to verify this a bit more on your own. 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

You know how to private message instead？

 

Shavedboy lives in a country where the poor people have been hit much harder than what you can complain about in your country or I in mine.

So it is proper that as a member in good standing he is greeted back into the group and concern is shown about his well being.

 

My post should also give you an example of how well educated people treat each other.  The Covid-19 in the Philippines is well related to the topic and has been discussed here before, so there is not need for private message. Maybe if you came out of hiding you could also join the community of members and not be so antagonistic. 

[Guest MAGAKAG]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

There is no "fake news media" in the US.  This term has been invented by Trump and his cronies.

 

There is "false, deceptive news", which is what FOX News constantly launches on the internet and TV.

Observe in your video how Trump is reading everything from his script.  He must have some advisers who don't let him disgrace himself too much.

And notice how his emphasis is in helping businesses.  This is in line with his interests.

His initial inactivity and his lies have already disgraced him quite a bit.  And now his Propaganda Machine is trying to correct this.

 

Joseph Goebbles was Hitler's Minister of Propaganda.  Trump does not have a formal one,  but he surely has a team of clever propagandists.

 

I thought there was so much positivity & optimism in that unedited clip of Trump that I shared, at least imo1000x better than that 3rd rate UN health chief from Ethiopia.

For someone that has been hounded & attacked constantly by the fake news media, of cos he has to be extra careful when quoting the facts & figures. 

Also not to forget when the virus first appeared in Wuhan, the Demonrats were actually busy impeaching him with the Ukraine quid pro quo hoax. You can't deny the fact that without his swift action to impose the Chinese travel ban, the crisis is your country could be 100x worse now.

[Guest Guest]

13 hours ago, Guest daydreaming said:

1. Since when is the population of Singapore 6.9 million?

Something doesn't add up. 

Before coming with hyped population numbers, please verify them. 

Population is at 5.7 mil.

 

In just this one paragraph alone, you had proved what I had long suspected about you . For you to ask this type of question on the 6.9 million population, is a dead giveaway as to how dissociated you are from the country's current affairs. LOL. If you have no clue as to what is going on in this country, who are you to comment on it? So, yeah... in your own words, "It is futile to discuss this over and over with you" when you don't even know what is happening here at all. Go get some real-life Singapore experience first, before you comment with your rose-tinted glasses on, OK? Hahahahahaha .... 

 

8 hours ago, Guest daydreaming said:

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Singapore never had sufficient local Singaporean workforce to guarantee business growth and expansion. Investors and FDI would move to other parts of SEA or the world if they are unable to grow. Due to the lack of local Singaporean business world champions Singapore is heavily reliant on inflow of FDI to ensure economic growth and job creation.  But it seems this is all too difficult for you to understand. 

 

So, basically what you are saying is that after 65 years in the making, there are still not enough Singaporeans in the population of 3 million citizens to step up and ensure economic growth and job creation?? Are you trying to imply that after 65 years in the making, most of these 3 million Singaporeans are useless and incompetent, and cannot even ensure economic growth and job creation? 

[Guest Guest]

This is quite an interesting read on what will happen when a contact tracer finds you and serves you a Quarantine Order: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51866102 

 

But what seems to be more interesting is what the author's opinion on the use of the contact tracing method at the last part of the article: 

"Almost two months into the outbreak, there have been no deaths in Singapore.

Singapore has credited that to its healthcare services but also its contact tracing.

It has bought time, so doctors could treat the people in hospital who really needed treatment, without overwhelming healthcare services the way it happened in Wuhan.

The reality is that Singapore will have to give up contact tracing if numbers continue to rise. It is expensive, labour intensive and at some point the virus will overtake the contact tracers.

But until then it is a race against an invisible offender. The tracers know it just takes a few more untraceable cases before the virus begins surging through the population."

[Guest Logic]

8 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

There is no "fake news media" in the US.  This term has been invented by Trump and his cronies.

 

There is "false, deceptive news", which is what FOX News constantly launches on the internet and TV.

Observe in your video how Trump is reading everything from his script.  He must have some advisers who don't let him disgrace himself too much.

And notice how his emphasis is in helping businesses.  This is in line with his interests.

His initial inactivity and his lies have already disgraced him quite a bit.  And now his Propaganda Machine is trying to correct this.

 

Joseph Goebbles was Hitler's Minister of Propaganda.  Trump does not have a formal one,  but he surely has a team of clever propagandists.

 

The media called Trump racist when he banned entry from China. When he first banned entry from Europe last week, people were criticising him for that. Look at the number of infections that were coming from China after he first imposed the ban & now in Europe. Had he not impose the bans, think the media will give him hell for inactivity again? Can any reasonably sound minded person blame Trump from imposing these bans right now??
 

The authorities need data to make sound decisions. Unfortunately there is lapse time between data collection & analysis of data & eventual rationalisation of the data before any decisions are taken. The supposed inaction was perhaps due to infection rate being low in US perviously or data are still trickling in. If Trump had wanted to release eg $30bn in liquidity to help the economy when there are only 10infected people in US, would people have supported him? 
 

Sometimes when people don’t like a person, nothing that person does will ever be right. I think Trump has done a great job fighting this pandemic. He is willing to take the hit for making unpopular decisions (eg banning entry from China n Europe). 

[Guest MAGAKAG]

👍🙏

Let's see Steve's reaction when he gets his first $1200 cheque from the Trump admin. Do spend wisely, don't squander it on money boys in Bkk...lol.

 

[Guest new measures]

10 hours ago, LeanMature said:

One point I need to clarify about work pass holder (New and existing) - DO THEY NEED TO SEEK APPROVAL BEFORE FLYING INTO SJNGAPORE ? 

 

9 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

If you are referring to FOREIGN DOMESTIC WORKERS coming into Singapore, I know for sure there was a directive issued on 15 March by MOM for the employers/employment agencies to apply for a different type of approval first before they can come in. This directive seems to be still standing and there has been no changes, as far as I know. 

 

 https://www.mom.gov.sg/newsroom/press-releases/2020/0315-entry-approval-and-shn-requirements-for-all-new-and-returning-foreign-domestic-workers

 

For the other types of long term passes, which I believe work pass is considered to be, I think approval is not needed. But must serve 14d Stay Home Notice order and also show evidence of where they can stay for 14 days. 

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/additional-measures-for-travellers-to-reduce-further-importation-of-covid-19-cases

 

You might need to verify this a bit more on your own. 

 

 

Above post is stating wrong things!

All Foreign Workers (Long Term Pass Holders, Dependant Pass...) from the countries and areas listed at MOM's website must  seek entry approval before coming back to Singapore.

They are only permitted to enter to Singapore if the Entry Approval has been given prior to their flight.

Entry will be rejected if they arrive in Singapore without having the approval or the airline will reject entry to the airplane if they cannot show the approval

 

Actions to be taken by employers who wish to bring their foreign employees who have transited at or travelled to the affected areas into Singapore

 

You should only do so if you are unable to defer bringing them into Singapore:

1. Ensure you can fulfil the additional responsibilities to bring your foreign employees in. If your foreign employees have dependants, who are not issued any work passes including Letter of Consent (LOC), the employees must also fulfil their responsibilities towards their dependants.
2. Request for MOM’s approval before arranging for them to enter Singapore.

	These areas refer to:   New affected areas Applies to arrivals in Singapore All countries From 20 March 2020, 2359 hours
https://www.mom.gov.sg/covid-19/advisory-for-employers-and-employees-travelling-to-and-from-affected-areas

This is the link, but you are advised to read all Covid19 notices and FAQ.

 

The new measure starts from midnight tonight for all areas bringing back any Long Term Pass holder you need the MOM pre-approval (previously before midnight tonight pre-approval by MOM to bring back any Long Term Pass holder was only from the listed countries).

 

Now it means, any returning Long Term Pass holder (EP, dependant, Long Term SV, S Pass, Entre Pass, Personalised Pass), the Employer must seek pre-approval from MOM first. 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest MAGAKAG said:

👍🙏

Let's see Steve's reaction when he gets his first $1200 cheque from the Trump admin. Do spend wisely, don't squander it on money boys in Bkk...lol.

 

 

I have too high an income to qualify for these $1200 checks.  And I don't want this emergency aid, instead I prefer that it goes to those in need.

 

2 hours ago, Guest Logic said:

The media called Trump racist when he banned entry from China. When he first banned entry from Europe last week, people were criticising him for that. Look at the number of infections that were coming from China after he first imposed the ban & now in Europe. Had he not impose the bans, think the media will give him hell for inactivity again? Can any reasonably sound minded person blame Trump from imposing these bans right now??
 

The authorities need data to make sound decisions. Unfortunately there is lapse time between data collection & analysis of data & eventual rationalisation of the data before any decisions are taken. The supposed inaction was perhaps due to infection rate being low in US perviously or data are still trickling in. If Trump had wanted to release eg $30bn in liquidity to help the economy when there are only 10infected people in US, would people have supported him? 
 

Sometimes when people don’t like a person, nothing that person does will ever be right. I think Trump has done a great job fighting this pandemic. He is willing to take the hit for making unpopular decisions (eg banning entry from China n Europe). 

 

Are you the same guy as "Guest MAGAKAG"?  Because you post the same wrong evaluations of Trump.

 

Trump initially dismissed the pandemic as something short-term with little relevance.  Obviously he opened his mouth to say something he was completely ignorant about, something he does often. He then concentrated on his golf.  Only when the pandemic got worse he was advised to give it more attention.

 

You think Trump has done "a great job"?  Think again!    Any failing high school student would do better.  His (obviously necessary) decisions are hasty, not thought through. When he suddenly banned ALL people coming from Europe,  he unnecessarily raised hell in the many Americans in Europe who thought that they could not return home.  He unnecessarily victimizes people due to his incompetence and lack of concern.

 

The media calls Trump racist for good reasons.  He has shown his racism, white supremacy in many, many occasions prior to today's pandemic.

 

You need to live here in the US to have a correct estimation of the situation here.  If I would give so many wrong opinions about Singapore's government, you would get up in flames and call me all sort of names.  (some guests do it anyway just out of their psychosis)  

[Guest Logical]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I have too high an income to qualify for these $1200 checks.  And I don't want this emergency aid, instead I prefer that it goes to those in need.

 

 

Are you the same guy as "Guest MAGAKAG"?  Because you post the same wrong evaluations of Trump.

 

Trump initially dismissed the pandemic as something short-term with little relevance.  Obviously he opened his mouth to say something he was completely ignorant about, something he does often. He then concentrated on his golf.  Only when the pandemic got worse he was advised to give it more attention.

 

You think Trump has done "a great job"?  Think again!    Any failing high school student would do better.  His (obviously necessary) decisions are hasty, not thought through. When he suddenly banned ALL people coming from Europe,  he unnecessarily raised hell in the many Americans in Europe who thought that they could not return home.  He unnecessarily victimizes people due to his incompetence and lack of concern.

 

The media calls Trump racist for good reasons.  He has shown his racism, white supremacy in many, many occasions prior to today's pandemic.

 

You need to live here in the US to have a correct estimation of the situation here.  If I would give so many wrong opinions about Singapore's government, you would get up in flames and call me all sort of names.  (some guests do it anyway just out of their psychosis)  

No, I am not MAGAKAG. I am Logical who earlier this week said your counter proposal to Trump’s Europe ban was to allow people enter US with recent negative covid19 year was not feasible as other countries’ tests may not be reliable. 
 

How is a ban victimising people? Isn’t it protecting people in US? If u meant people initially thought even US residents were banned from returning from Europe, it was quickly clarified. Many countries such as New Zealand, Australia & India have hastily introduced bans. This is not a time to sit down & have a conference and debate. It has to be decisive, which Trump administration did. 
 

In the case of the media calling Trump a racist when he banned people from China coming to US, the media was extremely narrow-minded & pathetically opportunistic. In this specific case, the media was clearly WRONG. They need to be objective! SG also banned China arrivals at the same time as US, why didn’t the media call our authorities racist? 
 

 Looking back now, was Trump’s decision on the China ban a good decision? At the height on the epidemic in China, tons of people was escaping China. 
 

Initially Trump downplayed the situation as the rate of infection was low, & little was known about the transmission mechanism or incubation period of this new virus. No right minded Government will paint a doom & gloom picture if they don’t have the scientific data available. They risk triggering panic in the population as we have seen in SG where people rushed for goods. WHO also initially didn’t call the issue a global one until later. Are the people at WHO also golfing with Trump or misinformed? No, that’s because they don’t have the data yet & infection rates are low back then. 
 

Trump has in this week removed existing red tapes for testing of existing medications & new therapies which in ordinary situations will take years to approve. 

 

Anyone with a functioning brain will objectively say Trump’s administration is doing great and pushing all buttons at their disposal however unpopular they may be to reduce infection within US. 
 

I don’t understand what you meant by “giving wrong opinions”? Everyone is entitled to their opinions. There are no right or wrong? My assessment/opinion of Trump is on his handling of this pandemic and objectively he has done a great job and I have explained why  above. Like I said earlier, if someone doesn’t like a person, nothing the person does will ever be right or good. 

[Guest Donald]

This about Trump and Covid19. 

 

Video says all!

 

 

 

[Guest MAGAKAG]

37 minutes ago, Guest Logical said:

Like I said earlier, if someone doesn’t like a person, nothing the person does will ever be right or good. 

Well said Logical...aside to Steve, no offence but I'm just curious in a hypothetical situation if Trump were to resurrect your bf tomorrow, will you still hate him as much as you do now?

 

 

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Guest Logical said:

No, I am not MAGAKAG. I am Logical who earlier this week said your counter proposal to Trump’s Europe ban was to allow people enter US with recent negative covid19 year was not feasible as other countries’ tests may not be reliable. 
 

How is a ban victimising people? Isn’t it protecting people in US? If u meant people initially thought even US residents were banned from returning from Europe, it was quickly clarified. Many countries such as New Zealand, Australia & India have hastily introduced bans. This is not a time to sit down & have a conference and debate. It has to be decisive, which Trump administration did. 
 

In the case of the media calling Trump a racist when he banned people from China coming to US, the media was extremely narrow-minded & pathetically opportunistic. In this specific case, the media was clearly WRONG. They need to be objective! SG also banned China arrivals at the same time as US, why didn’t the media call our authorities racist? 
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I don’t understand what you meant by “giving wrong opinions”? Everyone is entitled to their opinions. There are no right or wrong? My assessment/opinion of Trump is on his handling of this pandemic and objectively he has done a great job and I have explained why  above. Like I said earlier, if someone doesn’t like a person, nothing the person does will ever be right or good. 

 

Countries other than the US are far ahead in the testing of covid-19.

 

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184015/coronavirus-testing-pcr-diagnostic-point-of-care-cdc-techonology

 

The US "Center for disease control" CDC refused to use the PCR test used in other countries and came up, belated, with its own test that was unreliable. It also refused to let laboratories do their own PCR tests.  And all along....  Trump LIED shamelessly saying that anybody who wanted to be tested could receive a test. 

 

One proof of Trump's racism is his calling the covid-19 the "Chinese Virus".   There are news of new animosity towards Asians because they want to blame them for the pandemic.

 

Your last phrase is simply the effect of a very human natural evaluation:  REPUTATION.  A person with bad reputation will always be judged with a stricter standard.  In the US, we have such an example in the bashing Senator Sanders received when he correctly said that Castro in Cuba had done some good things for his people, something which is true. "If someone doesn't like a person...".  Like I didn't like Castro,  I DON'T LIKE Trump. Not because of his yellowish hair,  but for the miserable human specimen he is and the many people he has victimized.  Like with Castro, I can accept that he does some things right.  But the fight against covid-19 is not one of them.

 

Giving Trump's bad reputation and his indisputable cases of serious lies and misinformation,  it is only natural that there is suspicion in anything he does now.  

 

P.D.   If you look at the video posted above by Guest Donald,  you Logical-ly will have to change your opinion of Trump.

Thank you, Guest Donald  

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Edited March 20, 2020 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

27 minutes ago, Guest MAGAKAG said:

Well said Logical...aside to Steve, no offence but I'm just curious in a hypothetical situation if Trump were to resurrect your bf tomorrow, will you still hate him as much as you do now?

 

 

LOL!!  What an unusual line of defense for Trump!  

If Trump were to resurrect my late bf... this would give me full evidence that he is an abject servant of the Devil.

Because there are NO resurrections.  They could happen only by miracle, something only supernatural beings are believed to be able to do. 

[Steve5380]

This thread is about covid-19 in Singapore, but it should be relevant the response of other governments to the pandemic to give a perspective on how it is dealt with in SG.

 

We have been discussing the way it was/is handled in the US,  and some interesting information is emerging:

 

1- The statements of Susan Rice,  an honorable black lady former national security adviser, on how she warned the incoming Trump administration about corona viruses:

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/03/19/susan-rice-trump-administration-coronavirus-warning-sot-tsr-vpx.cnn

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488069-obama-officials-walked-trump-aides-through-global-pandemic-exercise-in-2017

 

2- How the propaganda machine of a bad government tries to shield its leader from nearly criminal incompetence and neglect of duty:

 

https://time.com/5806558/administration-officials-fight-criticism/

[Guest Guest]

7 hours ago, Guest MAGAKAG said:

Well said Logical...aside to Steve, no offence but I'm just curious in a hypothetical situation if Trump were to resurrect your bf tomorrow, will you still hate him as much as you do now?

 

7 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

LOL!!  What an unusual line of defense for Trump!  

If Trump were to resurrect my late bf... this would give me full evidence that he is an abject servant of the Devil.

Because there are NO resurrections.  They could happen only by miracle, something only supernatural beings are believed to be able to do. 

 

 

To think that his hatred can so far surpass his love for his dead bf just goes to prove his love for his dead bf wasn't real at all. 

 

Hypocrisy had been exposed. 

[Guest Guest]

32 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

Auntie OCD Fascist, 

you are resorting to personal attacks again as usual.  Stop trolling in the Main Forum.  Stick to the topic if you want to post anything here!

 

Troll ike you? Sticking to topic of you want to post anything here, like the way you are NOT doing?