Guest vs Singalion on Covid-19

April 4, 2020

21 minutes ago, Guest Hazily Instructor said:

Coronavirus started in Wuhan, but even if Singapore had banned all foreigners from entering on January 20 for example, the disease still would have entered our country due to Singaporeans studying or working abroad. This is especially true for those studying or working in the PRC. When a disease is as pervasive as coronavirus, the only way to avoid it is to be completely isolated like those Atlantic and Pacific islands that barely have any contact with the outside world, which is not possible for an advanced nation like Singapore. The focus now needs to be on stemming the spread, helping find a vaccine, and later assisting the global community in reminding the people who started this pandemic with their filthy habits that no amount of propaganda will trick the world into letting them evade responsibility.

Even if the virus would have come in one way or another, we'd have bought ourselves even more time to address the virus by blocking the entrance of all those foreigners as early as possible. Time is of essence right now. It is undeniable that we were one of the first countries to have gotten affected, and that's only because of foreigners. If we had delayed the onslaught, we could have looked and learned what the other countries such as South Korea are doing, and do better than them.

Now that we have stemmed the inflow, the next important thing is to control the local spread. This is the best time to do a community test on all people in Singapore, and passing all the costs of testing of the foreigners back to the foreigners themselves, while the locals citizens get tested free. If the foreigners are tested positive, they can either go back to their own homeland to seek treatment, or pay for all treatments for themselves, subjected to the availability of the resources for which the locals should have priority to.

Locals have really been treated as second class citizens for too long already.

April 4, 2020

11 minutes ago, singalion said:

Please guys, let's be fair. These Indian and Bangladeshi workers got infected at their workplaces and dormitory in Singapore. These are all local infections and not any "imported" infections, meaning the guys did not travel overseas and came back to Singapore infected.

These Indian and Bangla workers don't have the monies to fly back home and return to Singapore, probably their work permit doesn't even allow them to leave Singapore during their term.

These dormitory cases are similar to other clusters, like that SAFRA Jurong group of Hokkien leisure singers meet up.

And in the dormitories, the fellows sleep with 6 to 8 pax in one room, eat at the eateries in front, play cricket on the soccer plain and so on.

One guy catches the infection somewhere from someone (at a workplace, during shopping at Mustafa) and then Coronovirus will spread in such scenarios, like in all other clusters.

The infections of the Indian and Bangla workers resulted from the not so strict approach to allow returning travelers back to their families and not taking them into self isolated quarantine immediately after arrival. Hopefully, they can contain the virus spread with the dormitories.

Talk so much for what? In short, no respect for the social distancing measures, simply it is just not in their culture to do so.

11 minutes ago, singalion said:

Those who were sent by their companies on business matters I would exempt as they followed office instructions, but the others should be penalised.

Then the company should bear all the expenses. Insurance shouldn't even bother to pay out!

singalion · April 4, 2020

19 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Even if the virus would have come in one way or another, we'd have bought ourselves even more time to address the virus by blocking the entrance of all those foreigners as early as possible. Time is of essence right now. It is undeniable that we were one of the first countries to have gotten affected, and that's only because of foreigners. If we had delayed the onslaught, we could have looked and learned what the other countries such as South Korea are doing, and do better than them.

Now that we have stemmed the inflow, the next important thing is to control the local spread. This is the best time to do a community test on all people in Singapore, and passing all the costs of testing of the foreigners back to the foreigners themselves, while the locals citizens get tested free. ~~If the foreigners are tested positive, they can either go back to their own homeland to seek treatment, or pay for all treatments for themselves~~, subjected to the availability of the resources for which the locals should have priority to.

~~Locals have really been treated as second class citizens for too long already.~~

If you are so smart and having fortune telling powers, I just wonder why you aren't the PM of Singapore for a long time back already.

It is easy to criticise from the soft sofa, if you don't have any responsibility and charge to handle such situations.

Who would have stopped a group of Chinese visitors to Singapore in mid to end of January 2020? No country put up any restrictions on that time. Most countries were not aware what is going on and there was always an incubation time of 5 to 14 days for having the symptoms.

And, one country hid the problems without informing WHO and local heads in Wuhan were not reporting the issues back to the central government in China according to what was set up as the pandemic control measures after SARS 2003 (there was a sophisticated alarm system set up to discover endemics but was bypassed by the Wuhan, Hubei authorities). Even doctors were silenced to keep the issue out of the international media. This was what caused the major delays of all countries to know what is going on and with what sort of pandemic they were dealing with and to take early measures.

You solution on charging the foreigners is ridiculous and disrespecting the fact for most working Foreigners here are paying taxes and their companies or Employers paying taxes as well.

And now you intend to punish poor worker who got infected in Singapore most probably by other Singaporeans who passed on the infection to them?

Anyhow, we don't need this, because you can go to any of the free testing centers set up by the Government for receiving a test if you are positive or not.

MOH publication from 25 March 2020:

As per public hospitals, Singaporean residents and long-term pass holders transferred to these facilities will continue to receive free-of-charge testing

FAQ at MOH:

You can go to any of the Public Health Preparedness Clinics (PHPCs), as well as polyclinics. You may look for a PHPC near you at www.phpc.gov.sg. All cases fulfilling the suspect case definition seen at various healthcare settings will be reported to MOH immediately and referred to hospitals for further assessment and treatment.

(New) How do I get tested for COVID-19? Will I have to pay for it?
You will be tested for COVID-19 only if your doctor assesses that there is clinical need to do so, based on your health condition and travel/contact history. If it is deemed that there is the need for you to be tested, your doctor will be able to test you or refer you to a hospital for the test, and you will not be required to pay for the test. Please note that a negative test is possible during the virus incubation period, and does not exclude the possibility that infection is present.

To avoid 5 million residents running to the testing centers, the Government changed the procedure to test only "suspected" cases, meaning if you have flu or breathing issues.

Further, I wish to rebut the myth you try to spread about South Korea: South Korea has not tested the complete population but tested most people in the problem zones where. Up to 31 March 2020 South Korea has tested only 350,000 people (This is 1 % of the population). Yes, South Korea has tested maybe more people than other countries but the amount of tests is still on a low range.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/south-korea-covid-19-containment-testing/

Stop spreading more untruths.

Last point:

Please refrain from posting silly slogans as your last sentence.

What you utter is a slogan and does not contain any truth.

This is plainly wrong.

If you feel as a second class citizen in Singapore, then maybe you suffer a inferiority complex.

Just take a deep dive into the Covid19 package from the Singapore government and tell me who comes out there first class?

And look up all other benefits which are granted to Singaporeans only in Singapore and then compare those benefits with resident Employment Pass Holders in Singapore.

(Essentially there are none for EP Holders).

Take a woman delivering birth in a public hospital. For a Singaporean (without complications the cost is about S$ 1,500 to 3,000, whereas the costs for Foreigners start at 5,000 up to 12,000).

Stop telling anyone about first class and second class citizens in Singapore. Nobody at BW is interested in reading your untrue slogans.

And please refrain from dividing different classes of the Singaporean society.

April 5, 2020

13 hours ago, singalion said:

If you are so smart and having fortune telling powers, I just wonder why you aren't the PM of Singapore for a long time back already.

It is easy to criticise from the soft sofa, if you don't have any responsibility and charge to handle such situations.

Oh, really? Look who's talking now ... ?? So who was gloating about his own "predictions" just a few days ago?? So now, in your own words, "If you are so smart and having fortune telling powers, I just wonder why you aren't the PM of Singapore for a long time back already."??

13 hours ago, singalion said:

Who would have stopped a group of Chinese visitors to Singapore in mid to end of January 2020? No country put up any restrictions on that time.

Who told you that?? The type of propaganda you are trying to spread! Of all countries, North Korea actually closed its doors to China, its almost-one-and-only ally, as early as 21 Jan 2020. Italy suspended all flights from China as early as 31 Jan, but it couldn't close its door from land traffic coming from EU nations. India suspended all e-visa from China as early as 2 Feb and threatened to quarantine anyone who went to China on 15 Jan 2020. In fact, USA itself also tried quarantine people from China as early as 31 Jan. And all these countries have a later start to the virus spread than Singapore.

So who stop spreading LIES that no country put up any restrictions during that time! As usual, YOU are a LIAR! YOU are the one trying to spread propaganda and slogan.

And talking about restrictions in Feb. of all countries who imposed the restrictions ahead of us, MALAYSIA started putting those restrictions in place first before Singapore did it. And in fact, there was a petition on change.org calling for the Singapore government to do exactly the same thing, before it was done. The citizens themselves were aware of what was coming, even before the leaders of the nation took actions. There was absolutely nothing new and nothing innovative that this country did first, to help fight the virus. All we did was to follow some age-old contact tracing protocol, which is failing us already, and also see what other nations are doing and then we follow.

13 hours ago, singalion said:

You solution on charging the foreigners is ridiculous and disrespecting the fact for most working Foreigners here are paying taxes and their companies or Employers paying taxes as well.

And now you intend to punish poor worker who got infected in Singapore most probably by other Singaporeans who passed on the infection to them?

What type of foreign talent are you? Just because you pay taxes, means you get to enjoy all the same privileges as the local?? Furthermore, now that you are not paying taxes in your own country wherever you came from, does that mean that you will not be getting any more of your own home-country privileges such as lower hospitalization bills, insurance coverage, priority education services/fees etc?? You said you should be getting privileges here in my country since you are paying "taxes". But since you are most likely not paying taxes in your own country as many countries have a "double taxation treaty" agreement, doesn't that mean you should not be enjoying your own home country privileges? But yet you still are enjoying those privileges back home, aren't you? After you have earned your money from this country, you will be packing your bags and going home to enjoy your big spaces and hometown privileges, wouldn't you?

And now .... to get all foreigners to pay for their own mandatory COVID19 test as suggested, and pay for your own medical fees if tested positive, you suddenly have no money? Sure! Then you can always go back to where you came from and get your free treatment there!! What is your company trying to do - privatize its profits as a company but socialize the cost of bringing in foreigners like you??

Is this just a mere "slogan", or is this a fact?

13 hours ago, singalion said:

Just take a deep dive into the Covid19 package from the Singapore government and tell me who comes out there first class?

Tell that to this Indian expat here in Singapore, and see what he thinks: http://theindependent.sg/netizens-slam-man-who-asks-if-there-is-a-covid-19-relief-package-for-expatriates/

singalion · April 5, 2020

6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Oh, really? Look who's talking now ... ?? So who was gloating about his own "predictions" just a few days ago?? So now, in your own words, "If you are so smart and having fortune telling powers, I just wonder why you aren't the PM of Singapore for a long time back already."??

I wonder myself!

Can't I point to the fact that I came up with a good guess on the potential lock-down scenario? I did a guess and nothing else. It was not fortune telling.

6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

What type of foreign talent are you? Just because you pay taxes, means you get to enjoy all the same privileges as the local?? Furthermore, now that you are not paying taxes in your own country wherever you came from, does that mean that you will not be getting any more of your own home-country privileges such as lower hospitalization bills, insurance coverage, priority education services/fees etc?? You said you should be getting privileges here in my country since you are paying "taxes". But since you are most likely not paying taxes in your own country as many countries have a "double taxation treaty" agreement, doesn't that mean you should not be enjoying your own home country privileges? But yet you still are enjoying those privileges back home, aren't you? After you have earned your money from this country, you will be packing your bags and going home to enjoy your big spaces and hometown privileges, wouldn't you?

And now .... to get all foreigners to pay for their own mandatory COVID19 test as suggested, and pay for your own medical fees if tested positive, you suddenly have no money? Sure! Then you can always go back to where you came from and get your free treatment there!! What is your company trying to do - privatize its profits as a company but socialize the cost of bringing in foreigners like you??

Is this just a mere "slogan", or is this a fact?

Tell that to this Indian expat here in Singapore, and see what he thinks: http://theindependent.sg/netizens-slam-man-who-asks-if-there-is-a-covid-19-relief-package-for-expatriates/

A) Expats, Resident Foreigners

Thanks for informing the BW community once again that you have no knowledge how the world outside of Singapore functions.

Just as a lecture:

Most countries in the world attach benefits to residents and income taxpayers of these countries.

Therefore, once you are resident in such country and pay income taxes exceeding the taxable limit you will be treated as a resident equal to a citizen of that country.

For all European countries this is common, even for Switzerland. Once you have a resident status and pay income tax you will be treated with same conditions as a resident local citizen, even for your children and spouse.

In some countries you just require to be a legally registered resident without paying taxes to benefit at the same equal rate as a citizen of that particular country. (For most cases those people are working and paying taxes anyway.)

Medical costs for any citizens in those countries are not free as you claim here. Residents in Europe pay monthly medical fees, ranging from S$750 for an unmarried single to S$1500 for a family per month.

These countries have the same hospitalisation rates for anyone who seeks medical care in such hospitals. Even if the Thai king will visit a hospital he will pay the same rate as any citizen of that country. Yes, there are some differences depending on your income such as an entitlement for one bed wards up to 4 bed wards.

The above explanation does not include the US but a sort of it applies to Canada.

As such there are no "preferential" hospital rates in the home countries of such Employment Pass Holders in Singapore in their origin countries. This is wrong.

In Singapore this is very different because even resident taxpayers, who are Foreigners or Employment Pass holders have to pay hospital rates as if they were visiting medical clients who are not resident in Singapore. This is a big contrast to the above countries, where taxpayers have the same benefits as citizen taxpayers.

If a Singaporean is resident in let's say European country, he or she will be treated the same benefits as the citizens of that European country.

This is very different in Singapore. Foreigners who are Residents to Singapore won't have equal benefits as Singaporeans, even if these pay personal income taxes in Singapore.

The double taxation benefits only come into the picture if you still receive any income (like rental on a leased out property in your home country).

Double taxation treaties are more relevant to income earners from a Singaporean company who pays some income to a non resident in Singapore and this income is taxed in Singapore.

But this is exactly the opposite case, because this person is not a tax resident to Singapore as Employment Pass Holders are.

I m not sure where you got the idea for Employment Pass Holders in Singapore retaining benefits of their home countries.

There is no such benefit. Once you are registered in Singapore and resident in Singapore you won't have any benefits any longer in your home country.

There are no such "home country privileges" for any resident Employment Pass Holder in Singapore in their home countries. This is a myth.

Singapore even treats local residents disadvantageous for Museum visits and don't acknowledge the fact for those taxpaying residents here to receive a beneficial rate different to any just visiting tourist. Go to the website of the National Gallery of Singapore and you will note Employment Pass holders in Singapore have to pay the same rate as non resident tourists.

In most developed countries in the world any entry rate would be the same for citizens or tourists.

Foreigners are eventually going back to their home countries for retirement because the general living costs and housing situation is cheaper compared to Singapore. Such costs are much higher in Singapore if you are retired in Singapore compared to many countries in Europe or Canada.

You better get more acquainted on these issues before you spread more untruths and myths at BW. The situation you intend to paint here is not as such in real.

It shows again, you just know really nothing how things work and just put up more false slogans.

B) Wuhan, Mainland China and restrictions:

6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Who told you that?? The type of propaganda you are trying to spread! Of all countries, North Korea actually closed its doors to China, its almost-one-and-only ally, as early as 21 Jan 2020. Italy suspended all flights from China as early as 31 Jan, but it couldn't close its door from land traffic coming from EU nations. India suspended all e-visa from China as early as 2 Feb and threatened to quarantine anyone who went to China on 15 Jan 2020. In fact, USA itself also tried quarantine people from China as early as 31 Jan. And all these countries have a later start to the virus spread than Singapore.

The visitor from Wuhan to Singapore (the initial Covid 19 cases) came to Singapore around 22 January 2020. I rightly pointed out that on this time no country (maybe except North Korea) had yet disallowed any entry from Chinese people to their country. No other relevant country did.

Singapore closed the entry for Wuhan travelers and Hubei residents on 29 January 2020. That was quite prompt compared to other countries.

Look at your own dates above, not sure on North Korea but nobody acted faster. (see the picture above from CNA).

First Singapore suspended all flights from Wuhan as of 23 January 2020 already

Several measures have been put in place to limit the spread of the virus in Singapore:

Cessation of flights from Wuhan

Since 23 Jan 2020, all inbound flights from Wuhan, China have ceased.

In addition, Singaporeans are advised to defer all travel to Hubei province and non-essential travel to Mainland China.

2. The next measure was then:

On 29 January 2020 this was announced by MOH and took effect with 31 January 2020,

Travel restrictions to Mainland China

All visitors (regardless of nationality) who travelled to Mainland China in the last 14 days will not be allowed entry into, or transit through Singapore.
A visa suspension for PRC passport holders, effective immediately. Previously issued visas will be suspended.

Returning Singapore citizens, PRs and long-term pass holders will be placed under a 14-day Leave of Absence.

Reuters:

World News January 31, 2020 / 6:41 PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-singapore/singapore-bans-china-travelers-to-keep-out-coronavirus-idUSKBN1ZU1A0

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Singapore said on Friday it was banning entry to all Chinese visitors and foreigners with a recent history of travel to China in some of the most far-reaching moves worldwide to deter the fast-spreading coronavirus.

The ban, effective from Saturday, will also apply to transiting passengers but will exempt residents and long-term pass holders such as those on work permits, student visas or long-term visit passes, the health ministry said.

The move to suspend visas to mainland Chinese passport holders effectively shuts out the island’s largest group of visitors and will also bar other travelers who have been to China in the last 14 days.

By the way Malaysia did not act faster as on 31 Jan it only limited Chinese travellers from Wuhan or Hubei but not the whole Mainland Chinese. This is plainly wrong and untrue.

By TTR WEEKLY - February 3, 2020

Malaysia limits it to just Chinese citizens who hold passports issued in Hubei province.

9 Feb 2020

MALAYSIA imposed an entry ban on all travelers, regardless of their nationalities, who had visited Hubei, Zhejiang, and Jiangsu provinces within a period of fourteen days prior to entering Malaysia, effective February 9

SEE: You are not accurate about the reaction from Malaysia, this country was not faster to implement any restrictions compared to Singapore. It was in fact much slower to impose a restriction for travelers from Mainland China (see above, restricted coverage only by 9 Feb)

This is sufficient evidence to correct your untruths, for Singapore not having taken an early reaction if not one of the most earliest reactions to counter the virus thread.

You still intend to claim Singapore did not act promptly and sufficiently expeditious???

Please cease painting a picture for Singapore not haven taken appropriate measures from onset. In some earlier posts pointed to some things which could have been handled better. But overall Singapore reacted prompt and appropriate to the thread.

And don't forget Mainland China was not very forthcoming with the true events and pandemic happening in their country at the early stage.

In fact, most relevant countries only followed in imposing restrictions to Mainland Chinese, once Singapore had started.

April 5, 2020

19 minutes ago, singalion said:

I rightly pointed out that on this time no country (maybe except North Korea) had yet disallowed any entry from Chinese people to their country.

Excuse me.... what did you "rightly" pointed out again?? And what time frame are you talking about now?? As usual, you can really flipflop on your own statements, don't you? Is this the type of Foreign "Talent" that we brought into Singapore?? Look at what you said below?? And what did I say of USA, Italy, North Korea which locked out flights from China at end of Jan? I guess those are "no countries" to you??

22 hours ago, singalion said:

Who would have stopped a group of Chinese visitors to Singapore in mid to end of January 2020? No country put up any restrictions on that time.

and next ...

28 minutes ago, singalion said:

First Singapore suspended all flights from Wuhan as of 23 January 2020 already

Wah ... you want to mislead people can do so until like that?? Yes, Singapore suspended all flights from Wuhan as of 23 Jan. But that's only because WUHAN WAS LOCKED DOWN ON THAT DAY SO THERE WERE NOBODY WHO WAS ALLOWED TO GO IN OR OUT OF THE CITY!!!

And to think you can even lie about when the measure took effect ..?

39 minutes ago, singalion said:

2. The next measure was then:

On 29 January 2020 this was announced by MOH and took effect with 31 January 2020,

Travel restrictions to Mainland China

All visitors (regardless of nationality) who travelled to Mainland China in the last 14 days will not be allowed entry into, or transit through Singapore.
A visa suspension for PRC passport holders, effective immediately. Previously issued visas will be suspended.

Returning Singapore citizens, PRs and long-term pass holders will be placed under a 14-day Leave of Absence.

this took effect when?? Go read it yourself! https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/wuhan-virus-travel-restrictions-all-visitors-china-12374324

You are really just so full of shit! Thank you for exposing to all of us what type of shit foreign talents we have here in Singapore! Well done!!

April 5, 2020

1 hour ago, singalion said:

B) Wuhan, Mainland China and restrictions:

The visitor from Wuhan to Singapore (the initial Covid 19 cases) came to Singapore around 22 January 2020. I rightly pointed out that on this time no country (maybe except North Korea) had yet disallowed any entry from Chinese people to their country. No other relevant country did.

Singapore closed the entry for Wuhan travelers and Hubei residents on 29 January 2020. That was quite prompt compared to other countries.

Look at your own dates above, not sure on North Korea but nobody acted faster. (see the picture above from CNA).

First Singapore suspended all flights from Wuhan as of 23 January 2020 already

Several measures have been put in place to limit the spread of the virus in Singapore:

Cessation of flights from Wuhan

Since 23 Jan 2020, all inbound flights from Wuhan, China have ceased.

In addition, Singaporeans are advised to defer all travel to Hubei province and non-essential travel to Mainland China.

In fact, most relevant countries only followed in imposing restrictions to Mainland Chinese, once Singapore had started.

I’m not the other guest you are arguing with but SG only restricted Hubei on 29th Jan, Wuhan lockdown was in 23rd Jan, by then 5 million had left Wuhan before the lockdown.

You can refer to this link on all the countries that restricted China travellers ahead of us.

https://fortune.com/2020/02/06/countries-china-travel-restrictions-coronavirus/

singalion · April 5, 2020

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

I’m not the other guest you are arguing with but SG only restricted Hubei on 29th Jan, Wuhan lockdown was in 23rd Jan, by then 5 million had left Wuhan before the lockdown.

You can refer to this link on all the countries that restricted China travellers ahead of us.

https://fortune.com/2020/02/06/countries-china-travel-restrictions-coronavirus/

I really like these "I am not this Guest but another one" starts of posts. Get a Member account, then we don't have issues.

Your list is not really representative as it only covers the Americas and some Pacific Islands on measures to close borders.

Besides this point you totally forget, the Corona virus had already entered Singapore on 22 January 2020 and maybe even with other persons who had traveled here before this time.

P.R.China had failed to inform WHO sufficiently on the outbreak.

singalion · April 5, 2020

2 hours ago, singalion said:

B) Wuhan, Mainland China and restrictions:

The visitor from Wuhan to Singapore (the initial Covid 19 cases) came to Singapore around 22 January 2020. I rightly pointed out that on this time no country (maybe except North Korea) had yet disallowed any entry from Chinese people to their country. No other relevant country did.

Singapore closed the entry for Wuhan travelers and Hubei residents on 29 January 2020. That was quite prompt compared to other countries.

Look at your own dates above, not sure on North Korea but nobody acted faster. (see the picture above from CNA).

First Singapore suspended all flights from Wuhan as of 23 January 2020 already

Several measures have been put in place to limit the spread of the virus in Singapore:

Cessation of flights from Wuhan

Since 23 Jan 2020, all inbound flights from Wuhan, China have ceased.

In addition, Singaporeans are advised to defer all travel to Hubei province and non-essential travel to Mainland China.

Reuters:

World News January 31, 2020 / 6:41 PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-singapore/singapore-bans-china-travelers-to-keep-out-coronavirus-idUSKBN1ZU1A0

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Singapore said on Friday it was banning entry to all Chinese visitors and foreigners with a recent history of travel to China in some of the most far-reaching moves worldwide to deter the fast-spreading coronavirus.

The ban, effective from Saturday, will also apply to transiting passengers but will exempt residents and long-term pass holders such as those on work permits, student visas or long-term visit passes, the health ministry said.

The move to suspend visas to mainland Chinese passport holders effectively shuts out the island’s largest group of visitors and will also bar other travelers who have been to China in the last 14 days.

This is sufficient evidence to correct your untruths, for Singapore not having taken an early reaction if not one of the most earliest reactions to counter the virus thread.

Please cease painting a picture for Singapore not haven taken appropriate measures from onset. In some earlier posts pointed to some things which could have been handled better. But overall Singapore reacted prompt and appropriate to the thread.

And don't forget Mainland China was not very forthcoming with the true events and pandemic happening in their country at the early stage.

In fact, most relevant countries only followed in imposing restrictions to Mainland Chinese, once Singapore had started.

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Excuse me.... what did you "rightly" pointed out again?? And what time frame are you talking about now?? As usual, you can really flipflop on your own statements, don't you? Is this the type of Foreign "Talent" that we brought into Singapore?? Look at what you said below?? And what did I say of USA, Italy, North Korea which locked out flights from China at end of Jan? I guess those are "no countries" to you??

and next ...

Wah ... you want to mislead people can do so until like that?? Yes, Singapore suspended all flights from Wuhan as of 23 Jan. But that's only because WUHAN WAS LOCKED DOWN ON THAT DAY SO THERE WERE NOBODY WHO WAS ALLOWED TO GO IN OR OUT OF THE CITY!!!

this took effect when?? Go read it yourself! https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/wuhan-virus-travel-restrictions-all-visitors-china-12374324

You are really just so full of shit! Thank you for exposing to all of us what type of shit foreign talents we have here in Singapore! Well done!!

You can accuse me of anything but not of misrepresentation.

Learn to read post completely and accurately first before you start on wrongful accusations

The Reuters article stated the start of the ban.

The measures from MOH were enacted on 31 January 2020.

Singapore always left 1 or 2 days to implement any new measures.

Here I quote it again for you:

World News January 31, 2020 / 6:41 PM

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Singapore said on Friday it was banning entry to all Chinese visitors and foreigners with a recent history of travel to China in some of the most far-reaching moves worldwide to deter the fast-spreading coronavirus.

The ban, effective from Saturday, will also apply to transiting passengers but will exempt residents and long-term pass holders such as those on work permits, student visas or long-term visit passes, the health ministry said.

About the flight ban from Wuhan, where did I mislead on anything? I just cited the sequence of measures taken by the Singapore Government.

By the way: the lockdown was not complete as Foreigners in Wuhan/ Hubei were permitted to leave the country, even Singaporeans.

On Italy you are totally wrong: Italy did not close the borders and disallowed all Mainland Chinese to enter Italy, but only banned all direct flights to and from China on 31 January 2020.

It was never any total ban on Mainland Chinese people to enter Italy.

ITALY suspended all flights to and from China, including Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, effective January 31 (Italian Civil Aviation Authority).

Here you have the confirmation, because this was the reason why the virus spread even more as other Chinese people returned to Italy.

Sky News on 6 March 2020

What has Italy done to try to control the disease's spread?

Flights from China were banned from an early stage in the outbreak - but only direct ones, not those with a stopover.

Mainland Chinese who travelled via other avenues were still permitted to enter Italy.

If you have some comprehension issues it is not my mistake! Go an read information first accurately before coming up with wrongful accusations.

A direct flight ban is not the same as a total entry ban for certain citizens.

You claimed besides North Korea, Malaysia was faster to bar Mainland Chinese to the country than Singapore. This was plainly wrong and a misrepresentation.

Malaysia even acted much slower and on 9 Feb 2020 still not all visitors from Mainland China had been barred to Malaysia.

US was not faster as Singapore. This is another misrepresentation by you. See above.

Here about the USA:

It did not happen on 31 Jan 2020. You are wrong again!

UNITED STATES imposed an entry ban on all foreign nationals who were in the People’s Republic of China, excluding Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau, in the past fourteen days, effective February 2

Can you read? 2 February 2020

That was the same approach as Singapore!

Please don't try to tell other people I cited any wrong details. My facts in above post are accurate.

You are resorting to misleading readers at BW because you don't comprehend the difference of a total entry ban for all Mainland Chinese citizens and to disallow direct flights from and to a country. This makes a huge difference.
If you fail to understand the difference it is not my issue.

singalion · April 5, 2020

48 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

My list need not be representative of any region at all as long as there is a LIST to lay bare your LIES claiming that "No country put up any restrictions on that time" below:

On 4/4/2020 at 8:29 PM, singalion said:

Who would have stopped a group of Chinese visitors to Singapore in mid to end of January 2020? No country put up any restrictions on that time.

Read properly. What did I write?

Mid to end of January 2020.

You are even so smart to quote what I wrote for everyone to see what comprehension skills your have! Something near to zero. Thanks.

And by quoting me, everybody can verify how you try to mislead others and divert away from your own wrong statements.

Did any relevant country close borders between 22 and 30 January 2020? Yes or no????

Singapore enacted first measures on 23 January 2020 and next measures on 31 January 2020.

Which other country did put up restrictions between 22 January and 30 January 2020? Tell us please. (Don't come again with North Korea, this country is not relevant on the planet.)

Your other statements about countries acting faster than Singapore were all wrong. Italy didn't and USA didn't either.

If you don't understand what other people write, it is not my fault. Sorry.

Edited April 5, 2020 by singalion
doubling of words

April 6, 2020

8 hours ago, singalion said:

Read properly. What did I write?

Mid to end of January 2020.

You are even so smart to quote what I wrote for everyone to see what comprehension skills your have! Something near to zero. Thanks.

And by quoting me, everybody can verify how you try to mislead others and divert away from your own wrong statements.

Did any relevant country close borders between 22 and 30 January 2020? Yes or no????

Singapore enacted first measures on 23 January 2020 and next measures on 31 January 2020.

Which other country did put up restrictions between 22 January and 30 January 2020? Tell us please. (Don't come again with North Korea, this country is not relevant on the planet.)

Your other statements about countries acting faster than Singapore were all wrong. Italy didn't and USA didn't either.

If you don't understand what other people write, it is not my fault. Sorry.

LOL! OH! So it is NOW about "relevant country close borders" now?? Wasn't it supposed to be about "country put up any restrictions on that time"?

And the time frame is NOW between " between 22 and 30 January 2020 " now? Wasn't it supposed to be until "end of January 2020" which includes 31 January 2020??

YOU ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO SLOWLY INCH AWAY FROM YOUR BARE-FACE LIES, NOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT, AREN'T YOU??

Oh, I know what you are trying to do... Your antics might be able to fool and trick others, but this local Singaporean here have seen enough tricks from Foreign TRASH like you to know what you are up to!

You are trying to slowly inch away from those LIES YOU TOLD AT THE BEGINNING, aren't you?

Then you'll try to INTRODUCE NEW STATEMENTS and repeat them again and again, in the hope of shifting the focus away from the LIES THAT YOU TOLD AT THE BEGINNING, aren't you?

And when you think you have SHIFTED ENOUGH FOCUS away from the LIES YOU TOLD AT THE BEGINNING, and think that everyone else have forgotten the LIES THAT YOU TOLD AT THE BEGINNING, you'd start saying that you never made those LIES before, right?

Remember how you tried to change your tune by inching away from what you said of "All Public Servants are Singaporeans" to "All Civil Servants are Singaporeans"? Yeah, this experienced local Singaporean have seen enough ANTICS and TACTICS from FOREIGN TRASH like you to know what you are doing. Let this be a good learning experience for the younger forumers who will encounter such foreign TRASH in their workplaces. The trick is to keep make sure that EVERYONE REMEMBERS THE LIES THAT HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, instead of letting foreign TRASH like him shift the focus away from the LIES THAT HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING.

Nobody should ever let FOREIGN TRASH LIARS in this country get away with LIES like that.

And evidences of the LIES THAT HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING should be kept for eternal reference like below:

On 4/4/2020 at 8:29 PM, singalion said:

Who would have stopped a group of Chinese visitors to Singapore in mid to end of January 2020 (not "30 Jan" like he later claimed)? No country put up any restrictions (not "close borders" like he later claimed) on that time .

singalion · April 6, 2020

On 4/4/2020 at 7:27 PM, Guest Guest said:

Even if the virus would have come in one way or another, we'd have bought ourselves even more time to address the virus by blocking the entrance of all those foreigners as early as possible. Time is of essence right now. It is undeniable that we were one of the first countries to have gotten affected, and that's only because of foreigners. If we had delayed the onslaught, we could have looked and learned what the other countries such as South Korea are doing, and do better than them.

Now that we have stemmed the inflow, the next important thing is to control the local spread. This is the best time to do a community test on all people in Singapore, and passing all the costs of testing of the foreigners back to the foreigners themselves, while the locals citizens get tested free. If the foreigners are tested positive, they can either go back to their own homeland to seek treatment, or pay for all treatments for themselves, subjected to the availability of the resources for which the locals should have priority to.

Locals have really been treated as second class citizens for too long already.

Let's have a recap:

The starting point was your above post. You claimed that "blocking the entrance of those foreigners" would have kept Singapore more or less free from Corona infections.

Then later you claimed Singapore did not react as expedient as other countries and other countries reacted much faster to the Corona threat coming up with restrictions and entry bars. This is inaccurate, because Singapore took a lead on 23 January 2020 to first block entries from Wuhan and Hubei and already on 31 January 2020 enacted to bar Mainland Chinese from entering to Singapore starting on 2 Feb 2020. This was at a very early stage for Singapore to take such measures.

On 4/5/2020 at 10:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

Who told you that?? The type of propaganda you are trying to spread! Of all countries, North Korea actually closed its doors to China, its almost-one-and-only ally, as early as 21 Jan 2020. Italy suspended all flights from China as early as 31 Jan, but it couldn't close its door from land traffic coming from EU nations. India suspended all e-visa from China as early as 2 Feb and threatened to quarantine anyone who went to China on 15 Jan 2020. In fact, USA itself also tried quarantine people from China as early as 31 Jan. And all these countries have a later start to the virus spread than Singapore.

And talking about restrictions in Feb. of all countries who imposed the restrictions ahead of us, MALAYSIA started putting those restrictions in place first before Singapore did it.

Unfortunately, your above posts contain plenty of inaccuracies and untruths.

Here is a list of your inaccuracies and untruths in your previous posts:

1. North Korea did not bar Mainland Chinese from entering to the country, but closed doors to foreign tourists, it did not even close the border for Mainland Chinese on 22 January 2020.

Evidence:

The Japan Times , Jan 22, 2020

North Korea has blocked foreign tourists from entering the country, travel operators said Wednesday, amid fears over the spread of a new coronavirus first detected in China.

=> Meaning business travellers, delegations from Mainland China were still permitted to enter it was no total ban for Mainland Chinese but only applied to tourists.

2. The US barred Mainland Chinese to enter USA only by 2 February 2020. Even this is not correct as the USA never totally barred Mainland Chinese (or people who had stayed in China) from entering to the USA.

Evidence:

Refer to the link: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/covid-19-travelled-from-china-to-us-coronavirus-12610920

Second: US did not react any faster or earlier than Singapore. The measure was taken only after Singapore

Evidence:

South China Morning Post

Published: 9:13pm, 3 Feb, 2020

Singapore was among first countries to implement travel restrictions on arrivals from mainland China in bid to contain the deadly coronavirus.

The US made a similar move hours later, with Indonesia, Australia, and the Philippines following suit over the weekend.

3. Malaysia did not put in place restrictions earlier than Singapore but was even tardive, starting with more stringent restrictions only on 9 Feb 2020.

Evidence:

Straits Times, Published: Feb 9, 2020 , https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-expands-china-traveller-ban-as-coronavirus-spreads

Malaysia has a expanded a ban on visitors from China to include Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces, after China's decision to lock down cities in the provinces to curb the spread of the coronavirus outbreak that has claimed over 800 lives.

The South-east Asian nation on Jan 27 imposed a temporary ban on travellers arriving from the city of Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak, and the surrounding province of Hubei.

=> This was only on 9 Feb 2020

In contrast, Singapore placed a total entry ban for Mainland Chinese and people who had visited Mainland China on 31 January 2020, coming into force on 2 Feb 2020. The only exception to the total entry ban were Singaporeans or Long Term Pass Holders who had travelled to Mainland China were placed into home quarantine on return, if they had not shown symptoms of Corona.

On 4/5/2020 at 10:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

And talking about restrictions in Feb. of all countries who imposed the restrictions ahead of us, MALAYSIA started putting those restrictions in place first before Singapore did it.

Regarding Malaysia, Singapore reacted much faster as first measures were implemented on 23 January 2020 to restrict incoming people from Hubei province and following measures on 31 January 2020, whereas Malaysia only took limited measures and on a later stage by 9 Feb 2020 and not even as comprehensive as Singapore.

Look what you wrote, just take a look at the untruths you spread on Malaysia, being ahead of Singapore.

South China Morning Post

Published: 9:13pm, 3 Feb, 2020

City state was among first countries to implement travel restrictions on arrivals from mainland China in bid to contain the deadly coronavirus

Singapore was among the first countries to restrict travel in an effort to stem the spread of the virus, which has infected more than 17,000 people in mainland China, and killed 362 people (all but one of them in mainland China).

What do we learn:

Everybody can now see your inaccuracies and untruths you spread at Blowing Wind!

You will always resort in trying to discredit someone here (like me) who discovered your blatant inaccuracies and call such persons "liars", when in fact it was yourself who posted inaccurate facts and details at Blowing Wind. We know for you trying to distract away from your own inglorious behaviour and posting untruths in then resorting to insulting and writing irritating posts on those who rebut your inaccuracies.

I demonstrated for everyone at BW your untruths and inaccuracies you spread here.

There is nothing untrue in my posts as I clearly wrote on measures between mid January to end of January. Do you know what "mid to end" means. This is a time range. If you still don't know, sorry for you.

There is no need for you to misrepresent my own posts or resort to quibbling on my words and tamper my posts to make them look as if I wrote anything inaccurate to this matter.

Give accurate evidence of any countries having placed earlier and more comprehensive measures than Singapore!

Please tell us on countries disallowing the entry of Mainland Chinese with effect from 31 January 2020 or earlier already.

It still stand as correct, which country put up restrictions earlier than Singapore and would have disallowed entry to travellers from Mainland China to enter on 22 January 2020????????

Tell everybody here please!

I m not willing to further entertain your irrational brawls and asymptomatic behaviour and am not going to respond to any more posts on this subject.

Go and fight with others please.

Edited April 7, 2020 by singalion
typo

April 6, 2020

43 minutes ago, singalion said:

=> Meaning business travellers, delegations from Mainland China were still permitted to enter

Really??? "business travellers, delegations from Mainland China were still permitted to enter" North Korea?

Who says so? You? Prove it! (or is this another case of you and your God-complex claiming that you do not need to prove anything again?)

43 minutes ago, singalion said:

2. The US barred Mainland Chinese to enter USA only by 2 February 2020. Even this is not correct as the USA never totally barred Mainland Chinese (or people who had stayed in China) from entering to the USA.

52 minutes ago, singalion said:

Please tell us on countries disallowing the entry of Mainland Chinese with effect from 31 January 2020 or earlier already.

Trying to go back to your old tactics again and shift your focus and divert our attention to some new statements about anyone saying anything about anybody who "barred Mainland Chinese to enter USA" now?? Why are we talking about anyone "barring the Mainland Chinese to enter USA", when the LIE YOU TOLD AT THE BEGINNING was " No country put up any restrictions on that time"

And as long as I have put up ANY country which has indeed put in restrictions during that time, it is sufficient to prove that you are nothing more than a HOT AIR BALLOON FOREIGN TRASH FULL OF LIES AND YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!

44 minutes ago, singalion said:

3. Malaysia did not put in place restrictions earlier than Singapore but was even tardive, starting with more stringent restrictions only on 9 Feb 2020.

50 minutes ago, singalion said:

whereas Malaysia only took limited measures and on a later stage by 9 Feb 2020

WOW! The GALLS you have!!! What a blatant LIE!

Malaysia bans travelers from virus-affected area in China as early as 27 Jan 2020 and here's the link to prove it: https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory/malaysia-bans-travelers-virus-affected-area-china-68558179 And they did that even before they discovered their first case on 4th Feb too! (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-malaysia-first-citizen-case-malaysian-12389728 ) And Singapore took action later than Malaysia, even though we discovered our first case much earlier on the 23 January 2020!

1 hour ago, singalion said:

What do we learn:

Everybody can now see your inaccuracies and untruths you spread at Blowing Wind!

You will always resort in trying to discredit someone here (like me) who discovered your blatant inaccuracies and call such persons "liars", when in fact it was yourself who posted inaccurate facts and details at Blowing Wind. We know for you trying to distract away from your own inglorious behaviour and posting untruths in then resorting to insulting and writing irritating posts on those who rebut your inaccuracies.

I demonstrated for everyone at BW your untruths and inaccuracies you spread here.

There is nothing untrue in my posts as I clearly wrote on measures between mid January to end of January. Do you know what "mid to end" means. This is a time range. If you still don't know, sorry for you.

There is no need for you to misrepresent my own posts or resort to quibbling on my words and tamper my posts to make them look as if I wrote anything inaccurate to this matter.

I think it is obvious who is the one who is coming up with obvious LIES, who "posted inaccurate facts and details at Blowing Wind", who is trying to "distract away from your own inglorious behaviour and posting untruths in then resorting to insulting and writing irritating posts on those who rebut your inaccuracies!"

You are the very POSTER BOY of a scheming lying FOREIGN TRASH we see here in Singapore. Please pack your bags and go back to where you come from. Singapore do not need you here.

singalion · April 6, 2020

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Really??? "business travellers, delegations from Mainland China were still permitted to enter" North Korea?

Who says so? You? Prove it! (or is this another case of you and your God-complex claiming that you do not need to prove anything again?)

Thanks for highlighting to us once again: You don't understand anything and suffer lack of comprehension of simple matters.

1. The North Korean regulation says tourists. Are travellers with business visa tourists??? Do business delegations and Chinese residents to North Korea count as tourists???

Go and google yourself and you will find sufficient evidence on this.

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

WOW! The GALLS you have!!! What a blatant LIE!

Malaysia bans travelers from virus-affected area in China as early as 27 Jan 2020 and here's the link to prove it: https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory/malaysia-bans-travelers-virus-affected-area-china-68558179 And they did that even before they discovered their first case on 4th Feb too! (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-malaysia-first-citizen-case-malaysian-12389728 ) And Singapore took action later than Malaysia, even though we discovered our first case much earlier on the 23 January 2020!

2.

Your really have an incredible talent to demonstrate to everyone at Blowing Wind what limited intellectual abilities you have.

On 9 February 2020 Malaysia added two more Mainland Chinese provinces to the entry ban, which were Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces.

By this time Singapore had already closed all doors to Mainland Chinese and travellers from China. The Singaporean ban was more comprehensive than the limit of entry enacted by Malaysia to the Wuhan city, Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces.

Here is the timeline for your to better understand what happened:

23 January 2020

Singapore: All flights from Wuhan ceased

Malaysia: -

27 January 2020

Singapore: -

Malaysia: Malaysia banned visitors from the Chinese city of Wuhan and Hubei. A statement by the prime minister's office said the authorities will temporarily halt all issuance of visas for Chinese citizens from the area with immediate effect.

28 January 2020

Singapore: From 29 January 2020, 12pm, all new visitors with recent Hubei travel history within the last 14 days, or those with PRC passports issued in Hubei, will not be allowed entry into Singapore, or transit through Singapore.

Malaysia: -

31 January 2020

Singapore: (Reuters) - Singapore said on Friday it was banning entry to all Chinese visitors and foreigners with a recent history of travel to China. Effective 1 February 2020 23:59.

Malaysia: -

4 Feb 2020

Malaysia: The Star:

The government is not planning to bar all Chinese nationals from visiting Malaysia, as there is no need for such action, so far, says Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin.

The recently instituted ban only applied to those from Hubei province, including the city of Wuhan. Muhyiddin also said that the World Health Organization (WHO) had not asked for a total ban on the entry of Chinese nationals into individual countries, even though the world body had declared the virus a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC).

9 February 2020:

Malaysia: Malaysia has a expanded a ban on visitors from China to include Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces adding to the city of Wuhan and Hubei province.

Singapore: borders already closed for travellers from the whole of Mainland China (unless residents in Singapore) since 1 Feb 2020 23:59pm.

18 February 2020

Malaysia: Movement Control Order came into effect: Tourists and foreign visitors are restricted to enter the country.

Singapore: Visitors from China already banned since 2 Feb 2020.

=> with 2 Feb 2020 all travellers from the whole of Mainland China and PRC citizen already barred to enter Singapore. In Malaysia only on 18 February 2020.

Who took a faster and more stringent approach? Singapore or Malaysia??? Please let us know?

You really want to get more blows?

The whole episode is already quite embarrassing to you.

April 7, 2020

12 hours ago, singalion said:

Thanks for highlighting to us once again: You don't understand anything and suffer lack of comprehension of simple matters.

1. The North Korean regulation says tourists. Are travellers with business visa tourists??? Do business delegations and Chinese residents to North Korea count as tourists???

Go and google yourself and you will find sufficient evidence on this.

North Korea is one of the most heavily sanctioned countries on this entire planet because of their nuclear weapon regime, and it has been so for more than a DECADE now. And these sanctions are not just from USA itself, but that from the UNITED NATIONS, of which China itself is part of. And it was just 5 months ago that the newspaper reported of a Singaporean who was fined because of doing "business" with North Korea (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-supplier-north-korea-luxury-goods-ng-kheng-wah--12117118) And here you are, implying you know of some people who went into North Korea as "BUSINESS DELEGATIONS and CHINESE RESIDENTS"??

Perhaps your post should be reported to the relevant authorities for them to investigate, and for them to find out how BIG a LIAR YOU ARE.

12 hours ago, singalion said:

2.

Your really have an incredible talent to demonstrate to everyone at Blowing Wind what limited intellectual abilities you have.

On 9 February 2020 Malaysia added two more Mainland Chinese provinces to the entry ban, which were Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces.

By this time Singapore had already closed all doors to Mainland Chinese and travellers from China. The Singaporean ban was more comprehensive than the limit of entry enacted by Malaysia to the Wuhan city, Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces.

Here is the timeline for your to better understand what happened:

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Who took a faster and more stringent approach? Singapore or Malaysia??? Please let us know?

Oh gosh ... Really? AGAIN? Now that you have been CAUGHT LYING, you are still trying to ADD MORE NEW STATEMENTS to DISTRACT PEOPLE away from the LIES YOU TOLD AT THE BEGINNING? Whatever had happened in Feb is not of any consequences here. The LIES YOU TOLD AT THE BEGINNING were the ones repeated below, and anything else are just YOUR DISTRACTIONS from what a LYING FOREIGN TRASH THAT WE HAVE HERE IN SINGAPORE!

On 4/4/2020 at 8:29 PM, singalion said:

Who would have stopped a group of Chinese visitors to Singapore in mid to end of January 2020? No country put up any restrictions on that time.

NO COUNTRIES PUT UP ANY RESTRICTIONS DURING THAT TIME??? ARE U SURE??

and next ...

On 4/5/2020 at 6:46 PM, singalion said:

First Singapore suspended all flights from Wuhan as of 23 January 2020 already

AND YOU TRIED GIVING CREDIT TO SINGAPORE WHEN THE FLIGHTS WERE SUSPENDED BECAUSE WUHAN WENT INTO A LOCKDOWN THEN?

and to think you can even lie about when the measure took effect ..?

On 4/5/2020 at 6:46 PM, singalion said:

2. The next measure was then:

On 29 January 2020 this was announced by MOH and took effect with 31 January 2020,

Travel restrictions to Mainland China

All visitors (regardless of nationality) who travelled to Mainland China in the last 14 days will not be allowed entry into, or transit through Singapore.
A visa suspension for PRC passport holders, effective immediately. Previously issued visas will be suspended.

Returning Singapore citizens, PRs and long-term pass holders will be placed under a 14-day Leave of Absence.

singalion · April 7, 2020

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

North Korea is one of the most heavily sanctioned countries on this entire planet because of their nuclear weapon regime, and it has been so for more than a DECADE now. And these sanctions are not just from USA itself, but that from the UNITED NATIONS, of which China itself is part of. And it was just 5 months ago that the newspaper reported of a Singaporean who was fined because of doing "business" with North Korea (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-supplier-north-korea-luxury-goods-ng-kheng-wah--12117118) And here you are, implying you know of some people who went into North Korea as "BUSINESS DELEGATIONS and CHINESE RESIDENTS"??

Perhaps your post should be reported to the relevant authorities for them to investigate, and for them to find out how BIG a LIAR YOU ARE.

A.

First question: What is the reference of above response to the entry ban of North Korea, which this country enacted on 22 January 2020 for tourists?

Your response is irrelevant and demonstrated again to everyone at BW: You don't know anything!

Aren't you the one who is always extremely petty with every single word meaning, spelling, and the accurateness of statements.

Please explain to the BW readers what the meaning of tourist is.

And if you don't know what UN sanctions are and what the scope of sanctions are, why did then President Xi had a state visit to North Korea in 2019. (The first since 2005 of a P.RC. president in North Korea?

Chinese President Xi Jinping and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un wave to crowds in Pyongyang June 2019

Do you think Xi JinPing travelled alone and with no business delegation to North Korea?

You better read up what is going on in North Korea

The population of PRC citizens in North Korea was estimated as 14,351 persons .

There are Mainland Chinese people living in North Korea being resident in North Korea.

This has nothing to do with UN sanctions.

It is sufficient for one person returning to North Korea and being Covid positive to infect plenty others.

In Singapore it only needed one single traveller too to bring the virus to Singapore.

Again you tell everybody here: You know nothing!

B.

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

NO COUNTRIES PUT UP ANY RESTRICTIONS DURING THAT TIME??? ARE U SURE??

and next ...

Which country imposed a total entry ban to Mainland Chinese people to enter that country between 20 January 2020 to 31 January 2020?

Please list here.

Give us any evidence on any such country imposing a total entry ban to Mainland Chinese visitors, returning residents, tourists, business people, diplomats??????????

Please go ahead.

C.

Sure the measure from Singapore took effect on 31 January 2020, but only came into force on 1 Feb 2020 23:59pm. It was pronounced as a new entry regulation by the MOH on 31 January 2020. Had it taken effect on 31 January 2020 , yes or no?

(see above about being extremely petty).

Every regulation takes effect on the day it is announced but it does not mean the regulation has come into force on the same day.

Minister for Communications and Information S. Iswaran and Minister for National Development Lawrence Wong during a press conference on Jan 31, 2020.

Published

Jan 31, 2020, 6:00 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - All travellers arriving from mainland China who had been there in the past 14 days will be barred from entry or transit in Singapore, as the nation ramps up measures to keep the Wuhan virus at bay.

The new measures will kick in at 11.59pm on Saturday (Feb 1).

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/wuhan-virus-visitors-with-recent-travel-history-to-china-not-allowed-entry-or-transit-to

Evidence 2:

Website of MOH

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/extension-of-precautionary-measures-to-minimise-risk-of-community-spread-in-singapore

31st Jan 2020

New visitors with travel history in mainland China or with PRC passports

5.               From 1 February 2020, 2359h, all new visitors with recent travel history to mainland China within the last 14 days will not be allowed entry into Singapore, or to transit through Singapore.

6.               In the same context, with immediate effect, the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) will suspend the issuance of all forms of new visas to those with PRC passports. We will also suspend Singapore’s status as a visa-free transit facility for those with PRC passports.

7.               Previously issued short-term and multiple-visit visas for those with PRC passports will also be suspended. During this period of suspension, they will not be allowed entry into Singapore.

This is sufficient evidence for the new measures taking effect on and being implemented on 31 January 2020 but coming into force on from 1 February 2020, 2359h.

Do you need more evidence?

D. Last question:

Was the anti Covid19 reaction from Singapore faster or the one from Malaysia?

Please tell everyone here whether the regulations and restictions implemented in Singapore were more comprehensive and stringent and earlier than those from Malaysia?

Please let us know!

If the restrictions implemented by Singapore were earlier and more comprehensive, isn't the following what you posted at BW an untruth and false?

On 4/5/2020 at 10:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

And talking about restrictions in Feb. of all countries who imposed the restrictions ahead of us, MALAYSIA started putting those restrictions in place first before Singapore did it. The citizens themselves were aware of what was coming, even before the leaders of the nation took actions. There was absolutely nothing new and nothing innovative that this country did first, to help fight the virus.

Tell us, this what you posted here at Blowing Wind is this an untruth and false statement or not? Yes or No?

I even had the gentlemanly attitude not to name you a blatant liar on all my rebuttals all this time so far.

But tell us what above is?

E.

I think you fell out of the boxing ring already. Better put this to rest.

I rebutted you on all three points you brought up.

The BW readers surely can make their own informed decisions who is accurate on the facts and who is placing slogans and untruths (once again) at BW.

Edited April 7, 2020 by singalion
numbering

April 7, 2020

16 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/spore-please-just-stay-home-the-circuit-breaker-works-only-if-we-all-do

Article was written for Straits Times... So of course it is everyone else's fault except for those people who led us to this stage...

At first , mentioned masks not necessarily, now advise to wear one ....food and daily supply is definitely enough ....ah Chan said .....and now , mentioning to expect shortage and delays due to lockdowns of many countries ...hello ? Uneducated or educated leaders ? Being paid much to utter rubbish ?

April 7, 2020

54 minutes ago, singalion said:

The population of PRC citizens in North Korea was estimated as 14,351 persons .

WOW!!! This really goes to show the type of MISLEADING LIES that @singalion is fully capable of!!

I'd urge everyone who read the statement above to go google it for themselves, and the full statement would be found on Wikipedia itself (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Korea), The full statement will read "The population of PRC citizens in North Korea was estimated as 14,351 persons (in 3,778 households) in 1958"!!!!! (Excuse me, the year is 2020 NOW!!!)

This is the type of FOREIGN TRASH we have here in Singapore, and there are actually people who believe in people like him enough to even HIRE him!!!!

singalion · April 7, 2020

Instead of coming up with more drama, then why did you not post the complete part of wikipedia to be fair?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Korea

The population of PRC citizens in North Korea was estimated as 14,351 persons (in 3,778 households) in 1958, shrinking to a mere 6,000 by 1980, as they had been encouraged by the North Korean government to leave for China in the 1960s and 70s.^[6] Recent estimates of their population vary. China's official Xinhua News Agency published a figure of 4,000 overseas Chinese and 100 international students in 2008.^[61] The Chosun Ilbo, a South Korean newspaper, gave a higher estimate of 10,000 people in 2009.^[2] They live mostly in Pyongyang and in the areas near the Chinese border.^[6]

This is sufficient evidence to demonstrate for the fact for PR.C citizens to live and stay in North Korea and being legal residents in North Korea. This evidences the fact for Mainland Chinese residents in North Korea not being banned to enter as the ban imposed by North Korea only covered tourists.

This was the point of discussion.

Everyone is aware, it is difficult to receive any accurate or reliable numbers from anything in North Korea and Mainland China might even have an interest not to publish any figures.

If someone can read Korean, then maybe you will receive a better number. Conversing already in 7 different languages, unfortunately, I can't read Korean.

Guest Guest, you fell already out of the boxing ring a long time ago.

Time to stop your sidetracking and deviation tactics.

Everybody at BW has already seen and evidenced the untruths you had posted here.

2 hours ago, singalion said:

Do you need more evidence?

D. Last question:

Was the anti Covid19 reaction from Singapore faster or the one from Malaysia?

Please tell everyone here whether the regulations and restrictions implemented in Singapore were more comprehensive and stringent and earlier than those from Malaysia?

Please let us know!

If the restrictions implemented by Singapore were earlier and more comprehensive, isn't the following what you posted at BW an untruth and false?

On 4/5/2020 at 10:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

And talking about restrictions in Feb. of all countries who imposed the restrictions ahead of us, MALAYSIA started putting those restrictions in place first before Singapore did it. The citizens themselves were aware of what was coming, even before the leaders of the nation took actions. There was absolutely nothing new and nothing innovative that this country did first, to help fight the virus.

Tell us, this what you posted here at Blowing Wind is this an untruth and false statement or not? Yes or No?

I even had the gentlemanly attitude not to name you a blatant liar on all my rebuttals all this time so far.

But tell us what above is?

Please respond to all BW readers whether your statement regarding the SARS-Covid19 virus above was the truth or untruth?

How do we call someone who does not tell the truth or states untruths?

Interesting to note for you not responding to any of my previous questions (as usual).

You did not respond to the question, which country imposed restrictions on the complete entry for Mainland Chinese due to Covid19 earlier than Singapore before 31 January 2020.

I know why you didn't respond to this question. Because you can't as it would demonstrate to everyone here: Your facts were not right and you only resorted to posting untruthful slogans.

Because the response would be: There was no other country having taken earlier stringent and comprehensive measures regarding banning of Mainland Chinese to the country than Singapore.

Edited April 7, 2020 by singalion
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April 7, 2020

35 minutes ago, singalion said:

Everyone is aware, it is difficult to receive any accurate or reliable numbers from anything in North Korea and Mainland China might even have an interest not to publish any figures.

Hahahahaha! And you still want to deny that you are A LIAR?? If I had not gone out to expose how you tried to hide the fact that you were using information from 1958 to pretend as if they are recent numbers, will you be so upfront with the rest of the statements now? And the best you can do is to come up to tell us " it is difficult to receive any accurate or reliable numbers from anything in North Korea and Mainland China might even have an interest not to publish any figures."? In that case, where did you come up with statements like those below?? Your baseless fabrications??

23 hours ago, singalion said:

North Korea has blocked foreign tourists from entering the country, travel operators said Wednesday, amid fears over the spread of a new coronavirus first detected in China.

=> Meaning business travellers, delegations from Mainland China were still permitted to enter it was no total ban for Mainland Chinese but only applied to tourists.

21 minutes ago, singalion said:

Because the response would be: There was no other country having taken earlier stringent and comprehensive measures regarding banning of Mainland Chinese to the country than Singapore.

Oh look! Trying to SHIFT THE GOALPOST again?? LOL!! As I have said, NEW STATEMENTS added to DISTRACT US from the LIES HE TOLD AT THE BEGINNING!!! Look at what he said in the post above, and compare it to the one the said at the beginning on 4 April 8:29 PM:

On 4/4/2020 at 8:29 PM, singalion said:

Who would have stopped a group of Chinese visitors to Singapore in mid to end of January 2020? No country put up any restrictions on that time.

Who spoke about banning Mainland Chinese to the country, when we were talking about travel restrictions? Nobody did, except yourself! And I have already put up enough evidence to prove that there are countries that have put up restrictions during that time, including Italy which banned flights from China https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289246/italy-greater-china-feb-apr-2020-service-adjustment-as-of-02feb20/ And this is sufficient to prove that you told a lie when you said "No country put up any restrictions on that time"

45 minutes ago, singalion said:

Interesting to note for you not responding to any of my previous questions (as usual).

As long as I have proved that you are a LIAR with this habit of trying to play dirty by SHIFTING THE GOALPOST each time you lose, there's really no need for me to go humor you with any more replies, because, in your own words, "Everybody at BW has already seen and evidenced the untruths you had posted here" (like using 1958 population data (hahahahahaha) But the reason why I am still here to goad you further to see more of your replies is so that you, the Foreign Trash, might come up with some more new LIES which I can expose, as I am having so much fun watching you, in your own words "fell out of the boxing ring" by boxing yourself in your own face with all those fabricated lies that you tell.

So the more you post, the more fun I am having in exposing you for the FOREIGN TRASH you are! LOL!

singalion · April 7, 2020

Oh, come on.

On North Korea: What is the difference of 14,000 to 10,000 Mainland Chinese residents in North Korea?

I did not attach any year to the number in my post?

Please explain us here! You denied for any Mainland Chinese being residents to North Korea and being able to travel into North Korea.

Here is your link you posted: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289246/italy-greater-china-feb-apr-2020-service-adjustment-as-of-02feb20/

Italy – Greater China Feb - Apr 2020 service adjustment as of 02FEB20

By Jim Liu 2 February 2020 13:15

Your own posts evidences that adjustments were only made 2 Feb 2020 regarding Italy on the flight ban.

By that time Singapore had already barred all Mainland Chinese to enter Singapore.

We were talking about restrictions being placed between 20 January 2020 to 31 January 2020. You wrote Singapore should have prevented Mainland Chinese to being able to arrive in Singapore, like these Wuhan Travellers arriving on 22 January 2020.

You claimed others countries enacted travel restrictions earlier than Singapore (see below what inaccurate untrue statements you made:) Don't deviate.

On 4/5/2020 at 10:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

Who told you that?? The type of propaganda you are trying to spread! Of all countries, North Korea actually closed its doors to China, its almost-one-and-only ally, as early as 21 Jan 2020. Italy suspended all flights from China as early as 31 Jan, but it couldn't close its door from land traffic coming from EU nations. India suspended all e-visa from China as early as 2 Feb and threatened to quarantine anyone who went to China on 15 Jan 2020. In fact, USA itself also tried quarantine people from China as early as 31 Jan. And all these countries have a later start to the virus spread than Singapore.

In various posts I rebutted your clear inaccuracies. I don't' need to repeat them.

Singapore came with tougher and more stringent restrictions implemented on 31 January 2020, coming into force on 1 Feb 2020 23:59, barring all PRC passport holders into Singapore and any traveller from the whole of Mainland China (except for returning Singaporeans and Long Term Pass Holders).

On 4/6/2020 at 4:18 PM, singalion said:

The US barred Mainland Chinese to enter USA only by 2 February 2020. Even this is not correct as the USA never totally barred Mainland Chinese (or people who had stayed in China) from entering to the USA.

Second: US did not react any faster or earlier than Singapore. The measure was taken only after Singapore

Evidence:

South China Morning Post

Published: 9:13pm, 3 Feb, 2020

Singapore was among first countries to implement travel restrictions on arrivals from mainland China in bid to contain the deadly coronavirus.

The US made a similar move hours later, with Indonesia, Australia, and the Philippines following suit over the weekend.

What do we learn:

Everybody can now see your inaccuracies and untruths you spread at Blowing Wind!

Why don't you reply to the other questions I raised to you?

Because it would demonstrate your inaccuracies and untruthful slogans you post here???????

The BW readers surely can make their own informed decisions who is accurate on the facts and who is placing slogans and untruths (once again) at BW.

Everybody at Blowing Wind was able to watch: You have received such hefty blows so that you fell thrashingly out of the boxing ring!

Sorry, I am not going to entertain this discussion with you any further.

I seriously think you need a Circuit Breaker!

Edited April 7, 2020 by singalion
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April 7, 2020

19 minutes ago, singalion said:

Here is your link you posted: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289246/italy-greater-china-feb-apr-2020-service-adjustment-as-of-02feb20/

Italy – Greater China Feb - Apr 2020 service adjustment as of 02FEB20

By Jim Liu 2 February 2020 13:15

Your own posts evidences that adjustments were only made 2 Feb 2020 regarding Italy on the flight ban.

By that time Singapore had already barred all Mainland Chinese to enter Singapore.

We were talking about restrictions being placed between 20 January 2020 to 31 January 2020. You wrote Singapore should have prevented Mainland Chinese to being able to arrive in Singapore, like these Wuhan Travellers arriving on 22 January 2020.

You claimed others countries enacted travel restrictions earlier than Singapore (see below what inaccurate untrue statements you made:) Don't deviate.

Muahahahahahahahaha ! See lah! More LIES! The reason why the "service adjustments as of 02 Feb" were shown is because that article was written on 2 Feb mah!!! The rest of the article has already stated : "Italy on Friday (31JAN20) issued NOTAM, banning incoming flights from Mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Due to this notice, affected carriers and service as follows.

Air China

Reservation closed from 31JAN20 to 28APR20
Beijing Capital – Milan Malpensa 1 daily A350-900XWB
Beijing Capital – Rome 1 daily 787-9
Hangzhou – Rome 3 weekly A330-200
Shanghai Pu Dong – Milan Malpensa 1 daily A350-900XWB

Cathay Pacific

Reservation closed from 31JAN20 to 28APR20
Hong Kong – Milan Malpensa 1 daily 777-300ER
Hong Kong – Rome 4 weekly A350-900XWB

AIYOH! Can go re-paste the link your ownself some more?! HAHAHAHAHA! It is so fun to see you OWNSELF PUNCH OWNSELF! Some more please! Some more please!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

singalion · April 7, 2020

Reservations were closed on 31 Jan 2020 means, on 31 Jan 2020 these airlines did not take any seat reservations anymore.

But if you had a little bit of intellectual abilities you would have been able to understand on 31 Jan 2020 and most probably on 1 Feb 2020, depending on the exact time when the announcement had been made by the Italian Government and considering the time difference of 7 hours, there were still flights on the way to Italy from China. You can't stop such flights which are already on the way to Italy having a flight timing of around 13 hours.

This is the only reason why the airlines and the article quoted the adjustment as of 2 Feb 2020. And nothing else. The flight ban was only "operational" on 2 Feb 2020.

Thank you for showing to BW readers again: Your thinking skills are very limited.

Italy – Greater China Feb - Apr 2020 service adjustment as of 02FEB20

Again: You know nothing !

This Thread is best evidence on your failed attempts to post untruths and slogans.

Sorry, I am not going to continue this discussion with you any further.

I seriously think you need a very long Circuit Breaker!

April 7, 2020

14 minutes ago, singalion said:

Reservations were closed on 31 Jan 2020 means, on 31 Jan 2020 these airlines did not take any seat reservations anymore.

Even if you want to interpret it that way, this closure of reservation is ALREADY a RESTRICTION on the 31 Jan 2020 in itself!!! Hahahahaha .... Can go say it out loud yourself some more!!! Ownself pawn ownself one more time!!! AIYOH ... The type of Foreign Trash we have here in Singapore!! The more you post, the dumber you are!

April 7, 2020

24 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

Auntie OCD Fascist,

Why are you so stubborn in your endless nitpicking on words? Singalion has already explained the need for you to be more realistic by considering the fact of different time zones. Stop your relentless vicious attacks on a fellow gay on petty things!

Time zone difference? Which time zone is still in 1958 huh? The Twilight Zone?? Lol!

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