After CB...

[begleitung]

Good for you....

[jiriki]

It’s just a farce to say CB ending when most of the CB measures are still in place. It is more accurate to say that we are taking steps towards ending the CB but gradually. Doesn’t sound as nice but it’s the reality.

[begleitung]

1 hour ago, jiriki said:

It’s just a farce to say CB ending when most of the CB measures are still in place. It is more accurate to say that we are taking steps towards ending the CB but gradually. Doesn’t sound as nice but it’s the reality.

Exactly. 
 

unless they find a vaccine or if they ever, the new normal is the normal

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Who cares when they raise the gst. Get the 3000 first most important. U never know if u still can live the next day if u have the virus. 

 

My family member still hasn't received any SMS about the $3,000  😡

[begleitung]

Complain!!

[lonelyglobe]

2 hours ago, jiriki said:

It’s just a farce to say CB ending when most of the CB measures are still in place. It is more accurate to say that we are taking steps towards ending the CB but gradually. Doesn’t sound as nice but it’s the reality.

Yeap,  as long as all the economic activities and restrictions are there,  we are still in a lock down,  is a shame as the world are all opening up and we are still being lock down with a few hundred cases everyday. 

 

The rental debates given to tenants and the salary supplement given to workers are not going to help them to tie over as long as they are not allow to open up for business, more shops will be forced to close and workers retrench. Unlike other countries, SG do not have a domestic market to support our economy. 

[begleitung]

Unlike other countries, the population here is small hence relatively speaking, the infection numbers are high?  My two cents anyway. 

[Guest Guest]

18 minutes ago, begleitung said:

Unlike other countries, the population here is small hence relatively speaking, the infection numbers are high?  My two cents anyway. 

 

Yes, you are right. We are the 8th highest in terms of number of infected per million population, ahead of other countries such as USA, Switzerland etc. In fact, we are the only two countries in these 8 countries with more than 5 million population. The other countries has smaller population numbers, so just a few infected will cause their number of infected per million population increase tremendously. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 

 

#	Country, Other	Total Cases	New Cases	Total Deaths	New Deaths	Total Recovered	Active Cases	Serious, Critical	Tot Cases/ 1M pop	Deaths/ 1M pop	Total Tests	Tests/ 1M pop	Population
1	San Marino	666		42		270	354	1	19,632	1,238	3,996	117,793	33,924
2	Qatar	45,465		26		10,363	35,076	202	15,809	9	192,484	66,928	2,875,978
3	Vatican City	12				2	10		14,981				801
4	Andorra	763		51		663	49	3	9,877	660	3,750	48,542	77,253
5	Luxembourg	3,993		110		3,781	102	4	6,390	176	68,107	108,985	624,919
6	Spain	282,480		26,837		196,958	58,685	854	6,042	574	3,556,567	76,071	46,753,049
7	Mayotte	1,609		20		894	695	11	5,913	74	5,200	19,110	272,102
8	Singapore	32,343	+383	23		15,738	16,582	8	5,533	4	294,414	50,364	5,845,767
9	Bahrain	9,171		14		4,753	4,404	8	5,411	8	283,884	167,502	1,694,805
10	Iceland	1,804		10		1,791	3		5,290	29	58,856	172,586	341,024
11	USA	1,706,226		99,805		464,670	1,141,751	17,114	5,158	302	15,187,647	45,910	330,811,717
12	Kuwait	21,967		165		6,621	15,181	182	5,152	39	273,812	64,214	4,264,055
13	Ireland	24,698		1,606		21,060	2,032	54	5,007	326	295,626	59,938	4,932,204
14	Belgium	57,342		9,312		15,297	32,733	251	4,950	804	788,110	68,030	11,584,702
15	Gibraltar	154				147	7		4,571		6,556	194,586	33,692
16	Isle of Man	336		24		305	7	2	3,953	282	4,569	53,760	84,989
17	Belarus	37,144		204		14,449	22,491	92	3,931	22	463,004	48,997	9,449,619
18	Chile	73,997		761		29,302	43,934	1,135	3,874	40	488,041	25,552	19,099,822
19	UK	261,184		36,914		N/A	N/A	1,559	3,849	544	3,532,634	52,065	67,851,047
20	Faeroe Islands	187				187	0		3,828		9,178	187,901	48,845
21	Italy	230,158		32,877		141,981	55,300	541	3,806	544	3,482,253	57,586	60,470,230
22	Peru	123,979		3,629		50,949	69,401	909	3,766	110	840,922	25,541	32,924,686
23	Falkland Islands	13				13	0		3,747		445	128,279	3,469
24	Switzerland	30,746		1,913		28,200	633	47	3,555	221	372,146	43,031	8,648,347

[begleitung]

When will we get to swim again and fly too.

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, begleitung said:

Complain!!

 

I'll wait a few more days. Heng SK mentioned in parliament that it (the $3,000 for self-employed persons) will come this week, so I'm gonna give them a few more days.

Everytime the government gives money to us they will delay like f***. But when they want us to pay stuff, they send all kinds of reminders and warning letters.

[Guest Try and see]

5 hours ago, jiriki said:

It’s just a farce to say CB ending when most of the CB measures are still in place. It is more accurate to say that we are taking steps towards ending the CB but gradually. Doesn’t sound as nice but it’s the reality.

 

Fully agree.

 

I feel like the CB actually got extended until end of June.

Not much difference between CB and phase 1.

[begleitung]

45 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

I'll wait a few more days. Heng SK mentioned in parliament that it (the $3,000 for self-employed persons) will come this week, so I'm gonna give them a few more days.

Everytime the government gives money to us they will delay like f***. But when they want us to pay stuff, they send all kinds of reminders and warning letters.

Yes, they give a bit of bonus, then tax you back quickly. Typical 

[Guest Try and see]

On 5/26/2020 at 6:05 PM, Since u r here said:

And the new budg is out

 

 

I much rather they channel the $2.7 billion to offset household utility bills. That will be a much more practical measure. After all, working from home has caused all household utility bills to increase. This can be a way for the government to show their appreciation to S'poreans (yeah, like they ever will) for making so many sacrifices during the cb period.

 

When the govt gives out $2.7 billion to create "100,000 jobs, traineeships and training opportunities", most people won't feel any benefit.

This is because the bulk of that money is going to still stay with the government since it is going to be parked under the WDA.

 

[Guest kaypoh]

3 hours ago, Since u r here said:

...

 

Are you lost?

Why are you now posting your nonsense here?

Why can't you stick to your personal column in the members' section????

[Guest Guest]

Can we still WFH when phase 2 starts? Didn’t mention this in the reports.

[Guest Guest]

All the out-of-topic garbage got thrown here just because the real Covid-19 Singapore thread was thrown into Member's Lounge. So funny... Lol.. And no Moderators actually came in to clean it up too. 

[Guest Try and see]

12 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Can we still WFH when phase 2 starts? Didn’t mention this in the reports.

 

By phase 2 it will probably no longer be necessary to WFH. But as before, workplaces must ensure that all the safe measures are in place if they want their workers to come back.

 

If not, nobody is stopping any company from allowing their staff to WFH during phase 2  😝

[Guest Try and see]

On 5/23/2020 at 4:12 PM, Geek89 said:

When limbei can go meet friends ?

 

Earliest before the end of June.

 

If our community number remain low, S'pore can enter phase 2 before the end of June.

Then can meet friends legally!

 

 

"Social interactions and family visits would also be allowed, subject to the same cap of five people."

 

Move to Phase 2 of Covid-19 reopening to be decided mid-June; dining-in, use of sports facilities to resume during this phase

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/move-to-phase-2-of-covid-19-reopening-to-be-decided-mid-june-dining-in-use-of-sports

[begleitung]

„ Dining-in at F&B outlets and hawker centres, as well as social interactions and family visits, all with group sizes capped at 5 people “

 

while i understand you cannot have a big gathering of more than five, but even multiple groups of strangers Would eventually lead to big groups? How does this work?

[Guest guest]

1 hour ago, Guest Try and see said:

 

By phase 2 it will probably no longer be necessary to WFH. But as before, workplaces must ensure that all the safe measures are in place if they want their workers to come back.

 

If not, nobody is stopping any company from allowing their staff to WFH during phase 2  😝

After 2 Jun, also nobody is stopping any company from asking all their staff to go back to office to work, if their company is allow to resume operation.

[Guest Guest]

Why never mention casino and 4 d  opening..If dont open ppl will do illegal betting.

[Guest Guest]

Is a repeat advert.Chart still  no mention which phase opening

[Guest Try and see]

50 minutes ago, begleitung said:

„ Dining-in at F&B outlets and hawker centres, as well as social interactions and family visits, all with group sizes capped at 5 people “

 

while i understand you cannot have a big gathering of more than five, but even multiple groups of strangers Would eventually lead to big groups? How does this work?

 

I get exactly what you are saying.

 

In phase 2, if a cafe cannot allow a family of seven to dine-in, but then they allow 20 individual persons to dine-in, it doesn't make much sense.

 

If the cafe becomes a cluster, the latter group will be harder to trace.

[begleitung]

36 minutes ago, Guest Try and see said:

 

I get exactly what you are saying.

 

In phase 2, if a cafe cannot allow a family of seven to dine-in, but then they allow 20 individual persons to dine-in, it doesn't make much sense.

 

If the cafe becomes a cluster, the latter group will be harder to trace.

Exactly. Should they go by the absolute number plus group size? Or maybe percentage of capacity?  Less than 50 % full, groups of fewer than 5?

 

in the above example, the family of 7 would not be able to dine. And only 10 individuals would be dining separately?

 

i suppose there is no easy way out

[begleitung]

Then just order it online and eat at home

[Guest Try and see]

Why working from home is difficult:

 

[single42]

what i read on yahoo.com & msn.com.sg, phase 1 is  2 days away & for phase 1 to be effective.. we need 4-6 weeks & we have to observed that the number of infection is low and  no blow back from the virus.. but the door to phase 1 is not even open, they are talking abt elections to be held in July, mid july onwards.. and for phase 2, it might even happened earlier than expected.. y..?? the economy had hit rock bottoms already.. 13 restaurants had shut since march across the islands, Changi Airport T2 & 4 has been shut down less than 3 weeks .. they want to restore airline travel as well..??

 

and if they wanna start phase 2, restaurants can have dine in but must do crowd control.. can have small gatherings of 5 only.. certain retail sectors can open only.. but when shit happens.. the govt will shut down everything & extend the cb.. that is what they are thinking now..

 

so when that happens.. global leaders will again say.. look.. we will not be the next sg.. which i quote that the nz prime ministers had also said previously...

 

and i shall quote what minister lawrence wong said:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/money/topstories/senior-minister-hopeful-of-reopening-singapores-entire-economy-by-june-end/ar-BB14JoOS?li=BBr8Cnr

 

Singapore could reopen the entire economy by the end of next month if the community transmission of COVID-19 remains low and stable, a senior minister hinted on Thursday.

 

The move from phase one to the next will depend on the number of community transmissions in the first two weeks of June, National Development Minister Lawrence Wong said.

 

About 75 per cent of the economy can resume operations in phase 1, which will begin on June 2, said Wong, who co-chairs the multi-ministry task force tackling the coronavirus pandemic.

 

Thereafter, the task force will continue to monitor the situation, particularly over the first two weeks of June.

 

"If the community transmission remains low and stable, then we will decide by the middle of June on whether we want to take the next step of moving to phase 2," The Straits Times quoted Wong as saying.

 

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/singapore/covid-19-phase-2-might-start-before-end-june-–-dining-in-small-gatherings-will-be-allowed/ar-BB14JIqm?li=BBr8Cnr

 

COVID-19: Phase 2 Might Start Before End-June – Dining In, Small Gatherings Will Be Allowed

 

In a conference held by the COVID-19 multi-ministry task force yesterday (May 28), Minister for National Development Lawrence Wong said that phase 2 of Singapore’s circuit breaker reopening could start before the end of June.

 

The shift from Phase 1 to the next will depend on the number of COVID-19 transmissions in the community in the first two weeks of June, he added.

 

If infection rates remain low and stable, then we will decide by middle of June whether or not we want to take the next step to Phase 2. This means Phase 2 could happen before end of June.

 

– Minister for National Development Lawrence Wong

 

Earlier this month, the Singapore authorities had announced initial plans to gradually lift the circuit breaker measures in three phases from June 2.

 

What Will Be Allowed In Phase 2?

 

In Phase 2, retail shops, consumer services and sports facilities such as stadiums and swimming pools will be allowed to reopen.

People would also be able to dine in at food outlets, subject to a maximum of five people.

 

Social gatherings of up to five people will be allowed. Within the home, households may receive up to five visitors per day, said the Ministry of Health (MOH).

 

There is no magic number … we think that five is a reasonable balance due to the assessment of risk.

Five means that if an infection was to happen, then you limit that cluster to that group of five people who are together with that infection person at any one time.

If you obviously allow 10 people, then potentially the cluster that can form (and multiply) will be larger. If you set it on the other hand, very tightly — two people — then … potentially a lot of families will not be able to gather together.

 

– Minister for National Development Lawrence Wong

 

As for activities that involve large groups of people gathering in enclosed spaces like libraries, museums, bars, clubs and movie theatres, the Government will “take a more cautious approach” on when they can restart operations, Mr Wong said.

 

The authorities will begin discussions with businesses in this category to ensure that they have the safeguards in place that would allow them to operate again. 

They may not reopen at the beginning of Phase 2 but they could still open up later “but still within Phase 2”, said Mr Wong. 

 

In Phase 2, it will still be compulsory to wear a mask outside the house. 

Seniors should continue to exercise extra caution and stay at home as much as possible, said MOH.

 

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/singapore/spore-general-election-likely-to-take-place-in-july-if-covid-19-situation-improves/ar-BB14JShk?li=BBr8Cnr

 

S’pore General Election Likely To Take Place In July If COVID-19 Situation Improves

 

The next General Election (GE) is likely to take place in July, coinciding with the transition from first phase to second phase of the reopening of Singapore’s economy.

Phase one starts on June 2, and will likely last until July 2.

 

Phase two, which will see most social activities resume and all students returning to schools, is therefore expected to begin earliest on July 2.

 

Moreover, phase two could also happen slightly earlier before the end of June, if the infection numbers remain low and stable particularly in the first two weeks of June.

 

When phase two comes, this means that political campaigning and polling will be allowed.

GE Could Take Place In Mid-July

Parliament could be dissolved right after its next sitting on June 4. Members of Parliament are slated to debate the fourth Fortitude Budget on June 4.

 

After which, it could take about two weeks to get to Nomination Day, and a week or two for campaigning.

 

This means Polling Day could happen in mid-July.

End-July Is Possible Too

The Ministry of Education had moved the June school holidays forward to May 5, and added a one-week mid-term break from July 20 to 26.

 

This indicates that there is a likelihood that the election may occur during the school break in the second last week of July since most school facilities are available to be used as polling stations.

Can It Be Earlier Than July?

As Singapore is only slowly easing out of the circuit breaker period on June 2, it is unlikely that the GE would be happening in the same month.

 

This is because authorities would have to monitor the rate of infection and deem whether it is safe to hold the GE in the same month.

 

For example, they may need to observe a consistent pattern of single-digit or zero infections within the community before they can justify holding an earlier election.

Another Outbreak Could Push It Back Further

We need to brace ourselves for the possibility of a new outbreak or increase in infected numbers as that may push back the election. For example, the emergence of a large Covid-19 cluster in June.

 

This could push phase two back to mid-July.

 

As a result, the GE may be held in August or September.

 

Holding the GE after National Day in August could be an opportunity for the ruling party to consolidate the country’s achievements — through a platform such as the National Day Rally.

Any later, the likelihood of the GE happening is lower.

 

The United States presidential election will be held in November 2020, so if the GE in Singapore happens any later than September, that may coincide with that major event, leading to run-ins with uncertainty on the global front.

Must Be Held By April 14, 2021

According to the law, the GE must be held before April 14 next year, which means that Parliament will have to be dissolved latest by January.

Under election rules, the GE must be held within three months after the dissolution of Parliament.

 

It is very likely that it will happen earliest July since due to Covid-19, plans for GE has been pushed back when it was initially expected to happen in April or May.

Edited May 29, 2020 by single42

[Guest guest]

1 hour ago, Since u r here said:

Phase 1 does not seem any different from our current situation and it is obv  that the duratn of each phase is rather vague(so stop asking when??!! Who knws??! Ask from the horse mouth lah)

Do we need a writer to indicate to us since we r all using from the same govt source: Even they cr. another editor which in turn using all the same source like us

 

 

 

Who say phase 1 not much difference from current CB? At least many people are going back office to work in phase 1. Haha.

[lonelyglobe]

enjoy last few days of unpacked train 😊

[begleitung]

Woohoo, full mrts and buses....

 

someone mentioned elec tion now that was why phase 2 can be earlier.

[cutejack]

Just now, Since u r here said:

I hope this day will come! 

 

Wat is it abt? Pls translate or summarise. Thx 

[cutejack]

Just now, Since u r here said:

F&b People welcoming the dine-in before end june! Provided we have low and consistent figure to shortern phase 1

 

as phase 1 is orig set as 4-6weeks at least

The other ch5 news have reported similar too

Thx

[Guest guest]

54 minutes ago, begleitung said:

Woohoo, full mrts and buses....

 

someone mentioned elec tion now that was why phase 2 can be earlier.

So they expected many people are going back to work from 2 Jun? Then how come they keep emphasis companies to continue to allow their staff to work from home? 

[mate69]

it's the PC thing to say lah

[Guest Guest]

8 hours ago, Guest guest said:

So they expected many people are going back to work from 2 Jun? Then how come they keep emphasis companies to continue to allow their staff to work from home? 

 

My nature of job can easily allow me to work from home (been doing that for the past 2 months), but my boss wants me to go back to office starting first week of June ... so company or management policy/decision still overwrite that of MOM ... 😧

[mate69]

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

My nature of job can easily allow me to work from home (been doing that for the past 2 months), but my boss wants me to go back to office starting first week of June ... so company or management policy/decision still overwrite that of MOM ... 😧

 

Go baotou to MOM

[Guest Guest]

Go mom later ask u go home eat grass permantly 

[Steve5380]

11 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Go mom later ask u go home eat grass permantly 

 

Cannot you give an anonymous alert to MOM that their rules are not being followed by your company?

[Guest Guest]

From The Straits Times

SINGAPORE - When the circuit breaker ends, all companies - including those resuming operations in the first two phases of the economy's reopening - should adopt working from home as a default option.

This means that employees who have been working from home must continue to do so, and should go to the office only where there is no alternative.

Checks will be conducted to ensure that this is being done, said the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) in a press release on Friday (May 29), and businesses that do not ensure that employees work from home where possible, or whose workers do not adhere to safe management measures, may have to close their workplaces.

 

Close workplace if get caught? So serious? Wonder how many companies will take it seriously ... 

[cutejack]

Y u write with so many copy n paste one? I mabuk la. 

[luvhandle]

On 5/14/2020 at 3:49 PM, bigdanbeam said:

 

Yes we already shifted our seats before the CB. A B grouping is one way

 

im embarassed to say that my company is not able to provide laptops for everyone to WFM. Im one of those who have to lug the office CPU & monitor home to work. 

can show them that NO interaction (then why bother to spend effort to return to office) allowed , your co. pantry big enough to allow all to eat in? unless they allow u guys to sit 1m apart at cubicle (for sure half of the office strength is not to report) Checks will be conducted too to prove to officers that why staff couldn't work at home
and can report them

 

[bigdanbeam]

1 hour ago, luvhandle said:

can show them that NO interaction (then why bother to spend effort to return to office) allowed , your co. pantry big enough to allow all to eat in? unless they allow u guys to sit 1m apart at cubicle (for sure half of the office strength is not to report) Checks will be conducted too to prove to officers that why staff couldn't work at home
and can report them

 Yes im leaving it to the authorities. Its unlikely the staff can break the thick skulls of the decision  makers.

[luvhandle]

3 minutes ago, bigdanbeam said:

 Yes im leaving it to the authorities. Its unlikely the staff can break the thick skulls of the decision  makers.

I help u to report using that app  https://www.mom.gov.sg/eservices/snapsafe

all u need is to tell me your office building, kekekekeke!

[Steve5380]

6 hours ago, Since u r here said:

All hopes cb will end and life gets back to normal

 

 

I am a Senior but I don't need anything in my isolated life today in the middle of Houston. 

However I would welcome a visit by these three cuties of the Community Liaison Team to give me an hormonal and erectile lift!  

[Guest After CB?]

 

[Bennys]

Sian...

Need go back office twice a week instead of full time WFH.
 

[Guest Guest]

About company not following MOM WFH being default mode advisory ....

 

How does one report MOM via their app without "sabotaging" one's career or "leakage" of personal information? 

 

Ask MOM to check with company HR or EHS department?

[Guest guest]

2 hours ago, Bennys said:

Sian...

Need go back office twice a week instead of full time WFH.
 

Does your job necessary to go back to office? If your job can be perform from WFH, your company should not ask you to go back office during this period unless no choice.

[Guest guest]

2 hours ago, Since u r here said:

but have to segregate timing too and also your boss didnt read the MOM adv.

my friend just consulted me and confirmed that his boss also agreed that while MTI agreeds her co. to resumed still must follow the advisories of MOM: clearly written extremely straightfwd leh . MOM even has an app for u to report!

 

Working from home should be default mode in first 2 phases of reopening after Covid-19 circuit breaker: as expected just like bfore Cb,
Checks will be conducted to ensure that this is being done, said the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) , and businesses that do not ensure that employees work from home where possible, or whose workers do not adhere to safe management measures, may have to close their workplaces.

Does this default WFH advisories in first two phases apply to essential services company? Let's say if i work in an essential services company but my job scope able me to WFH, so my company still can ask me go back to office to work?

[Bennys]

29 minutes ago, Guest guest said:

Does your job necessary to go back to office? If your job can be perform from WFH, your company should not ask you to go back office during this period unless no choice.

It result in much low efficiency.

Think cannot be guailan.

This position easily replacible