Same-Sex Marriage & Child Adoption + Would You Get Married If It Is Legal? + Should Gay Get Married? (compiled)

[Guest Marad44]

Because royal weddings are public news and Phil is princely.

Edited November 11, 2011 by Marad44

[Phil]

Perhaps one reason was to bring a closure, that he was taken & unlisted and to thank the guys who were interested.

Eh Phil?

What are you imagining?

I was not invited!

[Phil]

Because royal weddings are public news and Phil is princely.

Thanks, but you are too polite... :oops:

Reality would disappoint you!

[Guest Guest]

speaking about gay marriages has anyone shared this video yet?

[suckling_pig]

I am little groggy from the flu medcine,

let me see if I got it right:

Prince Phil married Pater Tanenenbrarum, and we saw the wedding on last night's news bulletin ?

Edited November 11, 2011 by suckling_pig

[Guest Guest]

If GM propsed to me this Xmas eve on the 57th level, MBS, i may consider marrying him. But I need him to sign a pre-nup 1st.

Should we divorce, he only gets to keep the diamond-studded cock ring & the titanum dildo i used(on him)

Imchaser shall be the bridesmaid, Lungker the pastor. Gonna be as glam as Kim K's wedding hor.

[Guest Chichilarue]

If GM propsed to me this Xmas eve on the 57th level, MBS, i may consider marrying him. But I need him to sign a pre-nup 1st.y

Should we divorce, he only gets to keep the diamond-studded cock ring & the titanum dildo i used(on him)

Imchaser shall be the bridesmaid, Lungker the pastor. Gonna be as glam as Kim K's wedding hor.

I think you are freaking GachiMuchi out with your obsessive stalkerish posts about him...

[Guest Marad44]

... has anyone shared this video yet?

Beautiful! Thanks for sharing Guest.

[happy.99]

but as Singaporean Gay is there a way to get married?

[GachiMuchi]

If GM propsed to me this Xmas eve on the 57th level, MBS, i may consider marrying him. But I need him to sign a pre-nup 1st.

Should we divorce, he only gets to keep the diamond-studded cock ring & the titanum dildo i used(on him)

Imchaser shall be the bridesmaid, Lungker the pastor. Gonna be as glam as Kim K's wedding hor.

Troll seeking attention by bringing up names like Imchaser and me. And it's not even funny with all the lame jokes.

[Guest Marad44]

but as Singaporean Gay is there a way to get married?

Greetings happy 99. If they could look outside the registry and the legal rights which they have no recourse to, perhaps Singapore gays could embrace marriage as a union with mutual obligations, as expounded in Chapters 11 & 12 of http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/ATLAS_EN/html/contents.html.

The 60% heterosexual divorce rate in the USA, practice of polygamy, polyandry and group marriage in other societies are moving the meaning of marriage in different directions. It is dealt in good measure under the section, Future of Marriage.

Churches have been marrying gays in the west even before legal recognition was granted. I've met a Singapore couple who went to Holland to have theirs solemnized. I have not asked what it meant to them.

Edited November 11, 2011 by Marad44

[Phil]

I am little groggy from the flu medcine,

let me see if I got it right:

Prince Phil married Pater Tanenenbrarum, and we saw the wedding on last night's news bulletin ?

1- I hope your health will improve soon!

2- It must be another Phil; I also was ...surprised!

[PaterTenebrarum]

Oh my. Yes, I am married and if anybody is not happy that I somehow mentioned it here, then tough.

GM, correction, I tied the knot in Canada not USA and I did not marry Phil. Ha!

[Phil]

Oh my. Yes, I am married and if anybody is not happy that I somehow mentioned it here, then tough.

GM, correction, I tied the knot in Canada not USA and I did not marry Phil. Ha!

Thank you for this clarification!

All the best for you and your partner.

[GachiMuchi]

I stand corrected (actually seated). PT married in Canada not US. In Canada they speak English and French and some say Cantonese.

[Guest Marad44]

I tied the knot in Canada.

Congrats Pater. Are you guys Canucks living in Singapore?

[Guest Marad44]

It must be another Phil

Meaning, you are single & available, Phil?

(This is going to be the question of the month! wink-wink)

Edited November 12, 2011 by Marad44

[Phil]

Meaning, you are single & available, Phil?

(This is going to be the question of the month! wink-wink)

Sorry Marad44 , the answer is "NO" for the two questions .

Which shows that not all BWers are here for sex!

Anyway, ok for a drink; you just have to come here

[Foreign Talent]

but as Singaporean Gay is there a way to get married?

You can do what Pater did. His partner is Canadian. Pater and his partner flew to Canada and got married there.

Pater now has the right to move to Canada and live there with his partner as his spouse - but as they both have good jobs in Singapore, they are both living in Singapore for now.

I am married too BTW, I am in a civil partnership with my partner and we got married years ago in the UK where gays have civil partnerships - the same thing as a civil marriage, all the same rights but the government called it a civil partnership and avoided the word 'marriage' to avoid getting the religious assholes up in arms about this whole bullshit about the sanctity of marriage.

But if you're not happy about not being able to get married - tell the PAP lah.

[PaterTenebrarum]

I know at least five other Singaporean gay guys who have married their partners overseas.

Edited November 13, 2011 by PaterTenebrarum

[Guest Marad44]

I know at least five other Singaporean gay guys who have married their partners overseas.

Congrats Pater! Did you have to go to Canada to register the marriage? A Filipino told me that he was going to register his to a Canadian at the Canadian embassy in Manila. Was that incorrect information? Regards.

[Guest Marad44]

Stuart Koe, the out-going co-founder and chairman of Fridae.com is married to Abra Lee, both in Singapore.

Stuart: http://www.facebook.com/stuartkoe; Abra: http://www.facebook.com/abralee

(Stuart's farewell message: http://fridae.net/?p=1)

Edited November 13, 2011 by Marad44

[PaterTenebrarum]

Hmmm....Singapore doesnt recognise same sex marriages. A man cannot legally marry a man here. Ditto for lesbians.

Only a handful of countries recognise same sex marriages. By marriage, we mean that same sex couples are treated the same way and have the same rights as married straight couples. And we even have a Marriage Ceritficate from the Canadian government! Ha!

When we got married last month in Montreal, there was a Notary who helped us with all the legal stuff and facilitated the exchanging our vows. I had a witness, my spouse's mum while his witness was his grandmother. We exchanged our vows, signed the papers, threw a dinner for his family and friends, and that's it!

We will be having another party next year for our friends in Singapore.

Im a Singapore citizen. But the fact that my now-spouse is Canadian had made the whole marriage process almost seamless. I dont know about abt non-Canadians getting married in Canada though. Sorry.

Edited November 13, 2011 by PaterTenebrarum

[Phil]

I'm not an expert, but it seems that the current French equivalent ("PACS" = pacte civil de solidarité) can be concluded between same sex people without nationality conditions if it is concluded in France. Abroad, at least one one the "pacsed" should be French (to be verified).

[happy.99]

I'm not an expert, but it seems that the current French equivalent ("PACS" = pacte civil de solidarité) can be concluded between same sex people without nationality conditions if it is concluded in France. Abroad, at least one one the "pacsed" should be French (to be verified).

that was what i was told, at least one partner must be native. if both are aliens, then difficult. anyone can share?

[Phil]

that was what i was told, at least one partner must be native. if both are aliens, then difficult. anyone can share?

I checked on our official government website, in case some BW'ers might be interested.

PACS concluded in France : NO condition related to nationality.

PACS concluded in a foreign country (Embassy, consulate): at least ONE of the partners must be French. There might be some other conditions in this case; just tell me whether you want me to go further, or if you can check yourself on a French website.

[Guest Marad44]

Though a far cry from adoption, you may want to look at sponsoring a poor child through organizations like

World Vision, (http://www.worldvision.org.sg/)

Save The Children (http://www.savethechildren.org)

Compassion (http://www.compassion.com)

Plan Canada (http://plancanada.ca/)

You will receive hand-written letters from your child whose sex, age and country you will choose. The case worker in your child's village will send regular progress report. You can send letters & gifts and visit. You will be under no pressure if you default on your pledge or decide to pull out. I sponsored kids from Indonesia, Niger, Peru & Philippines when I was working, The monthly remittance was below $50 per child, tax-exempt.

The feeling of bonding & belonging is tremendous even though the child may have a family. When you receive the card the child has prepared for you with a loving note scribbled on it, the colorful drawing and photo attached, you'd want to hold it against your chest and drift into parental dream...

Edited November 20, 2011 by Marad44

[Guest Similar thoughts]

Though a far cry from adoption, you may want to look at sponsoring a poor child through organizations like

World Vision, (http://www.worldvision.org.sg/)

Save The Children (http://www.savethechildren.org)

Compassion (http://www.compassion.com)

Plan Canada (http://plancanada.ca/)

You will receive hand-written letters from your child whose sex, age and country you will choose. The case worker in your child's village will send regular progress report. You can send letters & gifts and visit. You will be under no pressure if you default on your pledge or decide to pull out. I sponsored kids from Indonesia, Niger, Peru & Philippines when I was working, The monthly remittance was below $50 per child, tax-exempt.

The feeling of bonding & belonging is tremendous even though the child may have a family. When you receive the card the child has prepared for you with a loving note scribbled on it, the colorful drawing and photo attached, you'd want to hold it against your chest and drift into parental dream...

The thoughts cross my mind a few times.

However, not sure if there is any minimum commitment requirement

worried that i m unable to sustain the donation if i m out of job

economy not doing very well. uncertainties is everywhere.

can someone share more info about the sponsorship?

[Guest 助人为快乐之本]

I have been sponsoring 2 childs in poor places of China more than 5 yrs ago. I chose to have a male kid. The first one was sponsored till his family was able to be independent and they chose to opt out from my sponsorship eventually.

Then I continue on another child as requested by the same non-profit organization. I feel happy whenever i receive hand-written letters or greeting cards from my "child" and yearly annual report.

I was jobless for about 3 months last year when i was sponsoring this second child. I decided to still continue the sponsorship during the period. I found my job after that. I am happy because I still can continue to sponsor the child until today without a need to opt out from the sponsorship.

My advice is: Do a sponsorship or good deed within your ability.

[Guest Simliar Thoughts]

I have been sponsoring 2 childs in poor places of China more than 5 yrs ago. I chose to have a male kid. The first one was sponsored till his family was able to be independent and they chose to opt out from my sponsorship eventually.

Then I continue on another child as requested by the same non-profit organization. I feel happy whenever i receive hand-written letters or greeting cards from my "child" and yearly annual report.

I was jobless for about 3 months last year when i was sponsoring this second child. I decided to still continue the sponsorship during the period. I found my job after that. I am happy because I still can continue to sponsor the child until today without a need to opt out from the sponsorship.

My advice is: Do a sponsorship or good deed within your ability.

Thanks for the advice,

Which organisation did you use for the sponsorship?

[Guest 助人为快乐之本]

I am a buddhist and World Vision is a Christian organisation.

I donate regardless of religion. It is rather the type of sponsorship they have and suitable for me, which is to help people living in poverty.

If 慈 济 has this kind of sponsorship, I may consider also.

[pittsburgh]

I am attached to someone but I also "play" outside of the relationship; some call it "cheating", others call it "open".

Just yesterday, the federal judge in California has overturned Prop 8. That means gays and lesbians can soon get married and receive equal rights. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/04/prop-8-overturned-gay-mar_n_671018.html)

If we introduce gay marriage here, can we reduce the high rate of gay promiscuity in Singapore? Or, in Singlish, "Marry for wat? Xiao!"

[EasleyLim]

Just like how having a NO SMOKING campaign helps reduce the number of smoker? Hahaha...

Personally, I don't think that will will. Monogamy depends on the individual/couple's will and self-control, if they feel that the sanctity of a marriage is something that means a lot of them then sure, that will help keep them together (though being together BECAUSE they want to protect the idea as opposed to truly loving each other seems odd). But if they couple don't even care about monogamy in the first place then what's the use of implementing gay marriage? It'll be a cosmetic institution at best =/

tl;dr - Effectiveness depends on the persons' moral intergrity.

[Guest Guest]

The fight for the right for gay marriage is not just about one's commitment to another. One of the main reasons are the legal rights of married couples which LGBT people are denied. Things str8 pple take for granted like wills and rights to property when the spouse dies etc.

[EasleyLim]

Speaking of gay marriage.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/403958/december-08-2011/rick-perry-s-pro-christmas-ad

Colbert is hilariooooooooooooous.

[derryfawne]

The fight for the right for gay marriage is not just about one's commitment to another. One of the main reasons are the legal rights of married couples which LGBT people are denied. Things str8 pple take for granted like wills and rights to property when the spouse dies etc.

Yes, otherwise it'd suffice to just live together lor.

Not too sure if it'll encourage people to be less promiscuous though. I mean, there are gays like you, who are attached but open. And then there are gays who believes in the total opposite. Likewise for straights, there are those who have fun outside marriages, and there are those who don't. Guess it has to be judged on case-per-case basis.

[pittsburgh]

Yes, otherwise it'd suffice to just live together lor. Not too sure if it'll encourage people to be less promiscuous though. I mean, there are gays like you, who are attached but open. And then there are gays who believes in the total opposite. Likewise for straights, there are those who have fun outside marriages, and there are those who don't. Guess it has to be judged on case-per-case basis.

but to own a house and live together as a young couple under 30, you'll need a marriage/partnership certificate, which like a business contract becomes a symbolic vanguard for commitment to each other.

In addition, gay marriage in Singapore, if implemented, requires substantial subscription and not be assessed on case-by-case basis. Otherwise, it'll become a bureacratic laughing stock. What do you think are the pros and cons of marriage for gay Singaporeans?

[Marineboy]

Folks

Is there really a need to get married?....if not for the protection of the women to have their husband by the balls....in the case of sinkapoor

Was thinking out loud...i feel there is raelly no need to get married...you can take care of your partner thru many other ways...a will...insurances etc etc

Help me understand why the hell do gays want to get married....just call it something else then which mean the same thing. Then the world cannot complain too much.

Look at the marriages that breakdown anyway. Its really no big deal...you agree??

[koolkai]

I am attached to someone but I also "play" outside of the relationship; some call it "cheating", others call it "open".

Please stay faithful to your partner and do not continue to have affairs outside

[Guest jayy]

People talk about gay men being promiscuous as though straight men and women don't sleep around.

[SeannyShortcake]

Gay marriage will in no way reduce gay promiscuity.

Take TS for example. (no offence babe,try proving a point)

Despite being in a relationship,he is already having sex with people other than his bf.

If you can not keep yourself faithful before marriage,there is no assurance that you would have an increment of faith afterward.

[doncoin]

Marriage is not the solution to end promiscuity. It is about personal choices and about biologically male.

[derryfawne]

but to own a house and live together as a young couple under 30, you'll need a marriage/partnership certificate, which like a business contract becomes a symbolic vanguard for commitment to each other. In addition, gay marriage in Singapore, if implemented, requires substantial subscription and not be assessed on case-by-case basis. Otherwise, it'll become a bureacratic laughing stock. What do you think are the pros and cons of marriage for gay Singaporeans?

Not too sure about the certificate thing, but I'm referring generally to the idea that promiscuity doesn't really stem out of marriage. If people can be committed to each other and live together, that alone would suffice and they don't have to be literally 'married' to do so. The only thing that marriage adds to the equation is legal protection (i.e. like what the guest mentioned: wills, property rights, etc) and maybe an ounce of romanticism.

What I meant with case-by-case isn't about assessing legal cases of gay marriage, but more on that level of promiscuity depends on the people themselves. So it's hard to say if marriage alone will guarantee loyalty... it will, to some people; it will not, to some others; even the straights face this exact same matter.

Marriage does have an important dimension, though; unlike regular relationship, marriage is usually taken very very very seriously, and it's a stage whereby people will try to make things work with each other no matter what obstacles come to them. It's not inescapable, but people usually turns to divorce only as last resort. At least that's how the mentality of straight marriage works, not too sure with the gay ones (should still be similar, I believe).

Cons of gay marriage? Seriously, I can't think of anything inherently wrong with sincere love between two parties. The only possible objection is a question of values coming from people with opposing values (i.e. religious groups, conventional norms). Backlash may happen if the time is not right to symbolically recognize gay marriage in law yet.

I've heard a lot of people use the slippery slope argument, saying that gay marriage will open the door to more and more absurd forms of marriages. What if a man want to marry an underage and claiming it's sincere true love? What if a woman want to marry her dog and claiming she has the same right with all of us? I say bullshit to that. Marriage requires both party who have the ability to make well-informed decisions on their own to bind themselves into a lifetime commitment. An underage simply lacks the legal capacity to enter any binding agreement. And let's not even talk about dogs... lol.

Edited December 12, 2011 by derryfawne

[TheVisitors]

Coming with some one who had quite a few relationships, and of which two had a simple " wedding", the answer to the TS, no, marriage does not prevent promiscuous.

Now when I speak of marriage, I am covering both both gays and the straights here.

Marriage to me , is merely a formality, a procedural contract, which guards the legal interests of each individual, should there be an end to this

agreement signed.

Such a contract, sometimes often adds pressure to the couple, when it comes to certain issues pertaining material possession, and even in the sharing of a contribution.

And sometimes I really wonder, if you can have a wedding, why can't you also have a divorce dinner?

Is it because of the shame, or was it the couple didn't or couldn't return all previously given gifts, having used and spent it ?

Thus marriage to me is merely an outwardly show and act you put on for the others to see. True marriage , really lies in the unions of the mind heart ,and soul, totally unanswerable to the fickle demands and opinions of out others want out of you, or what they think of you.

There are couples who have been long together, often send signals for others to see, whether they truly love each other or not, which doesn't require whatever formalities. Their very act that response to each others thought and behaviours, from there you can gauge how closely bonded they are. They are their own living examples.

Marriage are for adults, and not for kids.

Kids merely want to play, adults on the other hand are responsible to work their marriage, while at the same time, having passion and fun of out it while together.

Responsibility, here is not duty. It is an innate natural understanding for each other, without hurt, fear, demands or obligations. The responsibility here is bringing out the best of each other, focusing on what they want and visualize that adds more positivity, light and love on their relationship,

with trust and honesty as the basic strong foundation. When two people come together, a true marriage is how they help each other to evolve, through thick and thin

Thus I had always believed . with that sort of mindset, you don't have to tell the whole wide world , how much you love each other through a formality, unless, each you are insecure about each other.

Through time, sadly. most marriage /relationships, slowly descends and depart from their initiate love, and becomes a duty, which both are densely binded by. In short, they have became tired of each other, refusing to admit the game between them is already over.

It becomes almost like an obligation. You will be surprised, when they get stale, they hardly touch each other anymore.

And when they do have sex, its is ten minutes or less, just to put on a show, when they know, the passion is over.

In the gay marriage context, this happens very often, when two of them no longer maintain themselves physically, or when one of them gets horizontally challenged, bit by bit.

Or when their minds no longer evolve on the same rhythm, along the same linear line

Guys being guys are very visual creatures, no matter how hard we try to deny we are not.

In additional, when together, communication becomes less, even as to sort out any angry issues or simple disagreement.

Through time, such negative accumulations are very unhealthy. This is why people have flings and affairs, outside their marriage, feeling, their partner, fail to understand them.

You don't need a marriage cert to validate your love or, motivate yourself love each other. You motivate yourself through your own awareness, choices, responsibilities and actions, focusing on the positive side of things, creating opportunities for your relationship to grow with the fun element - although this doesn't guarantee you or your partner, does not side track once awhile.

Guys are being guys.

In week ago, I was chatting with an old friend, discussing why couples, who are attached or married for years, still have outside flings and ons, then act as though nothing happens.

And she said most adaptly ,

" Why you bother about what they do with their lives? You focus on the good things what you want for yourself.

Learn from successful people, and even people are still happily together. Thus remember, learn from those who succeed, ignore the failures.

I used to be bothered by why people even bother to sleep around etc when they are married or attached. But now I sort of pity them.

For the last 10 15 20 years, they have been wasting each others' time ".

[Guest Ironrod]

Since my friend "The Visitors" has spoken - let me say my piece.

Let me explain the 3 areas why that piece of legal paper is important beyond being promiscuous.

[i know TS only ask abt that but would like to explain why ppl over the world is fighting for that gay right]

Marriage/Wedding is not just a paper - it's a announcement to the world that this person is mine and only mine.

Of course, people with any decent value would not in normal circumstance sleep with anyone whom is married but times have change.

I am not sure we are moving forward or backward - that is out of topic I guess.

Legally, it protects the couple and provide benefits to a certain degree.

Example, if today your bf falls into coma - his mom has all the rights to take over all his assets, or choose to stop the life-support [in brain-dead case].

Whereas you legally has nothing, even if your bf left a will, it can be challenged in court by his parents stating u are a pervert, cheated their son and wants his assets back.

Since u both legally have no relationship - such challenge can be valid in court.

Also it's very useful to migration if both of you are from different countries, being recognize legally will help you both.

Lastly, legalization of gay marriage is an affirmation that we are normal human beings too.

We also should have our rights as a human, like a normal human beings.

What make gays so different?

A lot of ppl wrote - no matter gay or str8 - marriage does not stop u from being promiscuous because it's really up to individuals.

That statement basically says "We are the same human beings as everyone else that's why we want gay marriages to be legal"

So I hope TS understands the propose for the fight - it's beyond u and me and fxxking around.

[TheVisitors]

Thanks for filling up the gap IronRod,

I was only focusing on the emotion aspect of the topic.

Forgot the legal prospect of it

[pittsburgh]

Since my friend "The Visitors" has spoken - let me say my piece. Let me explain the 3 areas why that piece of legal paper is important beyond being promiscuous. [i know TS only ask abt that but would like to explain why ppl over the world is fighting for that gay right] ... So I hope TS understands the propose for the fight - it's beyond u and me and fxxking around.

Thanks guys for your responses. I have been so busy fxxking around that I have no time to think this over, so please pardon my half-baked replies.

Referring to Ironrod's citation, I could perhaps summarise the "three areas" for gay marriage as forms of certification, protection and equation. I do not deny the former two, but I am more sceptical about the motive of equality.

If I may posit it this way from reading the discussions so far, the binary between marriage and prosmicuity seemed to sit on the fulcrum of faith (commitment, conservation etc.). If you agree with me categorically that marriage is heteronormalizing and prosmiscuity is homonormalizing, then our notion of faith is still very much rooted within an Confucius-Christian doctrine.

So my question is: do we want to be the same or different from the current doxa? What about the models of Islamic polygamy or ancient Chinese concubinary systems as a 21st-century gay lifestyle?

[Mercutio]

Thanks guys for your responses. I have been so busy fxxking around that I have no time to think this over, so please pardon my half-baked replies.

Referring to Ironrod's citation, I could perhaps summarise the "three areas" for gay marriage as forms of certification, protection and equation. I do not deny the former two, but I am more sceptical about the motive of equality.

If I may posit it this way from reading the discussions so far, the binary between marriage and prosmicuity seemed to sit on the fulcrum of faith (commitment, conservation etc.). If you agree with me categorically that marriage is heteronormalizing and prosmiscuity is homonormalizing, then our notion of faith is still very much rooted within an Confucius-Christian doctrine.

So my question is: do we want to be the same or different from the current doxa? What about the models of Islamic polygamy or ancient Chinese concubinary systems as a 21st-century gay lifestyle?

Zing... I think you've gone off on a tangent. The first two proceed from the third. I don't see how you thought you managed a segue from that back to promiscuity, when the bulk of comments have already gone beyond that thesis.

I also don't see the dualism¹ posited between marriage and promiscuity. Marriage and celibacy form a pair of opposed concepts, as do chastity and promiscuity. Fidelity and adultery form a pair. Marriage and promiscuity do not.

Nor is marriage, for the greater part of humanity, a function of faith. In most cultures and instances, it is a civil contract, albeit one where the contracting parties may, according to their custom, ask for blessings that the contract may be upheld and turn out fruitful for all. Although the Christian (though not the Jewish) tradition has wedlock as a sacrament of the church, the simple reality is that almost no one gets married for the primary reason of faith, as you suggest, putting aside one-off outlier incidents. If you look at the institution of marriage across the globe and across time, its key function is apparent, and that is to legitimize partners and heirs for the purpose of estate (by term of which I include both tangibles and intangibles).

Marriage, if defined in accordance with tradition as a union with the object of producing lawfully-recognized offspring, is necessarily heteronormalizing. However, it is precisely that definition which is being challenged. There are plenty of heterosexuals now entering into the contract of marriage who have no intention of producing offspring of any sort. In line with that, perceptions are shifting such that the primary objective behind the marriage contract is becoming increasingly an act of affirmation of one party for the other. If such be the case, then the heteronormalizing aspect of marriage falls away.

I don't agree for one instant, categorically or otherwise, that promiscuity is homonormalizing. In fact, I find the very suggestion of it offensive. I am not against promiscuity, but in stating that promiscuity is categorically homonormalizing, you've branded every gay, lesbian and intersex person to be promiscuous, and have conversely claimed that no heterosexual is ever promiscuous.

If I may propose: it seems to me that there exist in your mind not only overriding preoccupations of a certain slant, but also a knot of socio-cultural assumptions, and that these may be in want of introspection, because frankly, girlfriend, your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

¹ I assume here you meant to refer to the dualism and not the "binary" between marriage and promiscuity (sic). If I am in error, and you meant "binary", then I'm in partial agreement since the statistics for extra-marital sexual encounters are for the most part pretty high. It's not a complete binary though, unless you also meant to indicate that in your thought marriage naturally leads to promiscuity in all cases. Gym bunny finds misuse of big words very shingz.

Edited December 13, 2011 by Mercutio

[pittsburgh]

Zing... I think you've gone off on a tangent. The first two proceed from the third. I don't see how you thought you managed a segue from that back to promiscuity, when the bulk of comments have already gone beyond that thesis. I also don't see the dualism¹ posited between marriage and promiscuity. Marriage and celibacy form a pair of opposed concepts, as do chastity and promiscuity. Fidelity and adultery form a pair. Marriage and promiscuity do not. ... . If I may propose: it seems to me that there exist in your mind not only overriding preoccupations of a certain slant, but also a knot of socio-cultural assumptions, and that these may be in want of introspection, because frankly, girlfriend, your logic does not resemble our Earth logic. .

Hi Mercutio. Please allow me to clarify preliminary on a few of your above points. (1) Given that 'the bulk of the comments have gone beyond the thesis', I am steering it back with my position as the TS. (2) My use of the word 'binary' simply means two parts of a whole, which unlike 'dualism' may or may not be antagonistic to each other. Further, it's a semantic play between 'binary' and 'concubinary' that appears later. (3) Do you see your own contradictions that (a) the socio-cultural is actually akin to Earthian (read: human) logic and (b) I am not a girl because I do not have breasts as you can see from my display picture?

[Exynos]

I am attached to someone but I also "play" outside of the relationship; some call it "cheating", others call it "open".

judging u right now. lol kidding.

anyway, well since when was marriage itself stopped straight couples from infidelity and affairs? how would that make gay marriages any different?