Same-Sex Marriage & Child Adoption + Would You Get Married If It Is Legal? + Should Gay Get Married? (compiled)

[Mercutio]

Hi Mercutio. Please allow me to clarify preliminary on a few of your above points. (1) Given that 'the bulk of the comments have gone beyond the thesis', I am steering it back with my position as the TS. (2) My use of the word 'binary' simply means two parts of a whole, which unlike 'dualism' may or may not be antagonistic to each other. Further, it's a semantic play between 'binary' and 'concubinary' that appears later. (3) Do you see your own contradictions that (a) the socio-cultural is actually akin to Earthian (read: human) logic and (b) I am not a girl because I do not have breasts as you can see from my display picture?

Ah, in reverse order:

(3) Not at all, my dear fellow, not at all;

(2) I saw the non-word 'concubinary' and had prayed it wasn't meant to be a jeux de mots. Next time, i'll burn more joss sticks. At any rate, the footnote then was correct, that marriage and promiscuity are indeed to be considered two and the only two parts of the whole equation;

(1) My apologies for having mistaken a podium for a forum. Let me shake the dust off my sandals and I'll trouble you no more.

[Guest AsheR]

Watching Korean dramas and seeing couples madly in love on the street make me want to settle down with a guy i like. Right now my bf and I have been together for 1 1/2 years, but whenever I think about getting married, there seems to be a barrier between my desire and the social norms. Anyone has the same feeling?

[Blacque]

It would take loooooong for SG to legalize gay marriage. Unless a miracle happens. Have you guys considered migrating to other countries?

[iamziz]

Yes.

[derryfawne]

Yes.

[Slynn]

Yeah, thought of migrating to Canada!

I guess it's almost impossible to Singapore to legalize it any time soon. Singapore looks at the peace of co-existence with different religions and will be less likely to make this decision that may results in tensions and arguments from Islam or Christianity, where homosexuality is deemed as wrong?

I am not too sure though, just my thought

[Guest AsheR]

Not too sure if he's willing though, he seems to be a family guy. Doubt he'll leave everything behind. Plus, migration also has its own problems right.. happy to see that people are willing to marry their bf, but I do hope that we'll get to do that in Singapore.

[-zee-]

Why not? If singapore legalizes gay marriage, i'd book a date with ROM immediately!

[EasleyLim]

[chubbee]

Yes

[trxsuspension]

aj relationship already so hard to maintain. marriage?! unthinkable!

[merlinkun]

Yes.

[Blacque]

aj relationship already so hard to maintain. marriage?! unthinkable!

So pessimistic.. no one said a relationship is going to be easy! :/

[minejastr0]

no

[janth]

aj relationship already so hard to maintain. marriage?! unthinkable!

I personally think that if gay marriage is legalized, people's opinions of gays will definitely have to change. This would lead to more gays coming out, and more gays being able to physically express their affection for each other in public (i.e. holding hands, giving kisses on cheeks, hugs), which I feel is a contributing factor to the difficulty in maintaining a gay relationship.

With marriage, gay relationships will definitely last longer. And I wouldn't have had to watch as someone I love left me for a girl because it was more normal to be with a girl than a boy.

In short, if it were possible (and if I had a BF), of course.

Edited June 5, 2012 by janth

[fab]

I do!!!!!!!

[Seedrick]

I would want to get married... even if in Singapore, it is not legal ... I will go to other countries to get married and return here proud and married

[koolkai]

I do!!!!!!!

Would you invite us to your wedding?

[trxsuspension]

actually what is the purpose of legalised gay marriage? what can we as aj get out of this legalised union compare to str8 couple?

[trxsuspension]

oh, if u're going to say a yes or no to the question started by the TS, it would be nice if you state your age as well. somehow i feel that age and life experience has an influence on the answer.

Edited June 5, 2012 by trxsuspension

[merlinkun]

actually what is the purpose of legalised gay marriage? what can we as aj get out of this legalised union compare to str8 couple?

The theory is that if gay marriage is legalized, it would be seen as "normal" (like in Modern Family), and because of that, people will find kids with gay parents just as loving as their straight counterpart (provided there is no domestic violence or something in said straight family). Doing so will mean that there will be kids who will grow up knowing that the world is diverse and in a way reduce bullying in school due to sexual orientation (a lot of kids in the US commit suicide because of this).

This will also have a ripple effect in the world place where you will not be looked down or discriminate because of your sexual orientation.

All in all, it will make the society a more caring and understanding place for all to live.

[fab]

Would you invite us to your wedding?

I prefer honeymoon than wedding dinner

[luke84]

hmm.. well my friend once said something really scary..

we should legalize gay, allow gay marriages. keep them in a country or a state.

then bomb that state.

anyway, there's no need to get "legal" when it comes to marriages.

seriously? are you thinking of that piece of paper signed which many straight couples have tore off?

or just the ceremony in exchanging of vows?

[merlinkun]

I think directly, having gay marriage lets you and your husband have legal benefits. Suh examples includes taxations, buying houses, healthcare, and so on.

On the more personal level, I once read an article where the place that handles dead people will not allow the dead gay man's boyfriend to register him as next-of-kin (he has no family), which is pretty heartbreaking.

Perhaps straight couples should stop taking for granted what they are freely given. Because if you look close enough, there are actually many things gay couples could really really need that straight couples enjoys.

Lol I feel like I am writing the answers to a social studies question.

[warlock88]

yes.

[BlowWindBlow]

definitely

[Maquis]

actually what is the purpose of legalised gay marriage? what can we as aj get out of this legalised union compare to str8 couple?

To name a few:

• the right to have a joint estate, including property, without having to make a will
  
• the right to make critical decisions in case one of the husbands falls ill
  
• the right to adopt children
  
• the right for one to work in a foreign country and the other to obtain dependent's status
  
• the right to bury your life partner according to your wishes rather than the late husband's family's (see the vid that was posted here some weeks ago)
  
• the right to benefit from pension plans, life and other insurances
  

In other words, the right to happily live your life like everyone else, without the need to explain and defend who you are and who you love.

Whatever excuses any government or religious group out there may put forward, they are fundementally flawd, and backward beyond comprehension.

The right to love is a basic human right that nobody should be denied, or even have to ask for.

So there.

[Guest Guess]

To all the guys who said yes, do remember that 5 or 10 years down the road and you get tired of each other, you will need a formal divorce to separate. And with divorce, you will need a lawyer to decide who gets what. On top of that, if you commit adultery, your partner can sue you. Can you really love your partner forever?

[victorp]

Most probably when the time finally comes for Singapore, it will be called "civil union".

Anyway, for me it is a yes to my partner of 12 years.

Also, I don't understand how "you can get tired of each other" - you simply cannot treat human beings like playthings!

[derryfawne]

To all the guys who said yes, do remember that 5 or 10 years down the road and you get tired of each other, you will need a formal divorce to separate. And with divorce, you will need a lawyer to decide who gets what. On top of that, if you commit adultery, your partner can sue you. Can you really love your partner forever?

Why is this questioned?

It's not like this doesn't happen with the straights too, right?

[Guest AsheR]

I'm sure that not only AJ couples face "getting tired of each other" thing, everyone does, including straight couples.

I would want to get married... even if in Singapore, it is not legal ... I will go to other countries to get married and return here proud and married

I like this idea though. When its all cast in stone they cant do anything about it right?

Anyway, anyone knows if an exchange of rings and a simple ceremony with no legal bindings is legal in Singapore? I mean, its just a union between two people right? No need for the fanfare and all..

[closetedlestroll]

Same sex marriages can get complex so you may need to sign a prenup before actually getting married (so when it comes to a divorce, the division of assets is also clear). It's important for same sex couples to get this recognition legally to protect their assets just like any straight couple. Imagine of you wanna migrate someday - if your marriage is not recognised then your partner may have issues with visas and immigration etc.

here's an article of how a Singaporean lesbian couple got married in New York (http://othersheepexecsiteblog.blogspot.sg/2011/09/by-rev.html?m=1). I believe exchange of vows and rings etc can be officiated by someone from the Free Community Church in Singapore. It's a church that accepts LGBTQs.

[partnership]

I will only say yes with discussion with my parents!

Edited June 6, 2012 by partnership

[Guest waytt]

Yes I Will ! 我愿意

[kyle24]

although my country havent legalize gay marriage but i insist to do that,,, actually gay marriage have more benefit like lesser orphanage, control the population, less casual sex, etc. Life is too short and only once,,,

[Guest Ian]

hmm.. well my friend once said something really scary..

we should legalize gay, allow gay marriages. keep them in a country or a state.

then bomb that state.

anyway, there's no need to get "legal" when it comes to marriages.

seriously? are you thinking of that piece of paper signed which many straight couples have tore off?

or just the ceremony in exchanging of vows?

number 1:

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number 2:

Marriage means different things to different people, for me i feel that it is an important step in setting up a family. Serves as a point to say 'hey, its time to work hard for the relationship for this family, for the future.' The gahmen are also trying to instill the values that marriage is an important thing in your life(srsly, just look at all the dramas they romantic, romantic, romantic, romantic/comedy, romantic, romantic, romantic.) Most if not all local primetime dramas are romantic ones. What is the MDA/gahmen trying to do?

[darkiedark]

actually what is the purpose of legalised gay marriage? what can we as aj get out of this legalised union compare to str8 couple?

One impt thing. Then we can register for HDB!!! Otherwise we will need to bleed for our basic accomodation...

[Slynn]

If a gay couple were to divorce, it'll be so troublesome too ;__;

It's not a DIE DIE MUST HAVE thing but marriage is one of the step to commitment, at least on paper

I heard a group saying "hmm. can accept homosexuals la. but i think shudn't legalize their marriages. will be so confusing" while they were watching the news where obama said he support same sex marriage.

[Guest no gm]

Gay marriage can lead to less casual sex ????

Please grow up. You need a paper to keep you disciplined ?

although my country havent legalize gay marriage but i insist to do that,,, actually gay marriage have more benefit like lesser orphanage, control the population, less casual sex, etc. Life is too short and only once,,,

[Guest no gm]

Gay marriage can lead to less casual sex ????

Please grow up. You need a paper to keep you disciplined ?

although my country havent legalize gay marriage but i insist to do that,,, actually gay marriage have more benefit like lesser orphanage, control the population, less casual sex, etc. Life is too short and only once,,,

[Guest no gm]

.... the only real reason why gay fight for gay marriage.

One impt thing. Then we can register for HDB!!! Otherwise we will need to bleed for our basic accomodation...

[Guest 50cts]

If both sides of the families give their blessing to the gay couple, I am more happy to get married. Family blessings to married couple excude a sense of pride, ownership and assurance more than the law can offer. Legality is just formality, encouraged couple to live responsibly and committed to each other like straight couples do. Legal marriage bonds not just the married couple, but the families and friends from both side, what more recognition can one ask?

[Guest Ian]

Gay marriage can lead to less casual sex ????

Please grow up. You need a paper to keep you disciplined ?

http://www.dailymail...d-partners.html

apparently straight couples do.

[Guest Ian]

http://www.dailymail...d-partners.html

apparently straight couples do.

sorry wrong link

its here :http://en.wikipedia....riage_incidence

to quote : 'For example, cohabiting couples tend to show higher levels of involvement in extra-couples sexual relationships compared to married couples'

[MobyDick]

Ermmm... Yes only if..

1) Can apply for HDB flat;

2) No alimony involved, if divorced;

3) Marriage leave is provided and spouse is entitled to applicbale company's medical insurance/ benefits;

4) Can kiss in public without publicity in STOMP.

[Marineboy]

Thinking out aloud...

If marriage is so great blissful etc etc....why the need to promise this and that till death do us part....

Obviously to me....it seems like the 3 rings saying is quite true....the engagement ring...the wedding ring....followed by suffer ring hahahaha kidding lah!

However without such rules...the children and non working wife....needs to be protected from irresponsble fcukers who want fun fun fun.

As for me...i learn to live around it.

Technically i always tell my tr8 frens i am already illegally married.....they mostly think i got some kept woman but chose not to marry hehehe

I spoil my bf as would a wife....good thing is he does the same.

We discussed some matters..from financial to family stuffs

We even plan to have join ownship of some things so when the other is no longer around....the survivor gets to keep it as a remambrance of our love for each other.

The balance automatically goes to our family....if however we get disowned...then a will will have to come in i guess

You can still live life just like any married couple...with the benefit of choosing how and planning it the way that works for the both of you.

I still like the term illegally married ;P

[Slynn]

Saw this in 9gag and i thought of this thread somehow ;_;

http://9gag.com/gag/4419252

[Guest no gm]

Legal marriage bonds the in-laws and friends ? Then the whole world is bonded together somehow !

If both sides of the families give their blessing to the gay couple, I am more happy to get married. Family blessings to married couple excude a sense of pride, ownership and assurance more than the law can offer. Legality is just formality, encouraged couple to live responsibly and committed to each other like straight couples do. Legal marriage bonds not just the married couple, but the families and friends from both side, what more recognition can one ask?

[Guest no gm]

Hospital rules and insurance rules can be changed. Try challenging that first before you try to challenge the definition or marriage.

And as for the last cartoon, I seriously doubt most gay couples would adopt children. Their situation are far from a straight couple who give birth to their own children.

Saw this in 9gag and i thought of this thread somehow ;_;

http://9gag.com/gag/4419252

[Guest no gm]

Hospital rules and insurance rules can be changed. Try challenging that first before you try to challenge the definition or marriage.

And as for the last cartoon, I seriously doubt most gay couples would adopt children. Their situation are far from a straight couple who give birth to their own children.

Saw this in 9gag and i thought of this thread somehow ;_;

http://9gag.com/gag/4419252