How is New Creation Church for Homosexuals

[Guest Boomdar]

2 hours ago, Guest Habis Cerita said:

Haha, 来了. Your last sentence speaks it all, typical mindset of “entitled to own opinion” as expected. I wish you all the best 

Where you learn your Chinese from? Your Chinese friends? Wah... so racially harmonised leh. When are you getting your hearing aid and hip replacement? All the best too!

[Guest Church mouse]

Purportedly, Jesus died and rose from his grave three days later.

 

How the ancient Christians knew? Oh because his body was MISSING from his grave and a group of ancient women saw Jesus appeared in the sky and spoke to them.

 

I wonder how reliable are the words of an ancient group of women. I pray those were not a bunch of ancient 三姑六婆 who hallucinated Jesus in the sky because they were high on some ancient drugs while grieving the death of Jesus!

 

I also pray cannibalism did not exist yet in that time and space of Jesus, that his body did not fall prey to some ancient tribe of cannibals!

 

 

[Guest Church mouse]

I pray Jesus truly rose from his grave, his body did not fall prey to some ancient cannibals or some sick follower with necrophilic fetishism.

 

Did I hear about Christians breaking apart some bread and drinking wine in symbolism of sharing and feasting on Jesus' body and blood?

 

I pray that symbolism was not indexically referenced from some form of ancient cannibalism ritual!

[Guest Church mouse]

Actually, when you think about it, in many catholic churches in Europe, "preserved" relics of many ancient Saints are displayed.

 

Those relics are human body parts like fingers, heart, skull cap, even dehydrated whole bodies housed in some elaborate glass, wood or metal containers. Catholics love to touch and kiss those containers with the relics in them to be close to God in some Catholic rituals.

 

I wonder if Jesus's missing body was actually stolen, mummified, displayed at some ancient home, idolised and prayed to for "luck" and "blessings" by one of his many ancient followers and fanatics?

 

Or worse, split up and kept in many different ancient homes as souvenirs.

 

Thus the missing body. Otherwise, why would the broken body "rise from the dead", if it did not turn into a zombie?

 

I thought only the soul will rise to heaven, leaving the body behind???

[wilfgene]

54 minutes ago, Guest Church mouse said:

Purportedly, Jesus died and rose from his grave three days later.

 

How the ancient Christians knew? Oh because his body was MISSING from his grave and a group of ancient women saw Jesus appeared in the sky and spoke to them.

 

I wonder how reliable are the words of an ancient group of women. I pray those were not a bunch of ancient 三姑六婆 who hallucinated Jesus in the sky because they were high on some ancient drugs while grieving the death of Jesus!

 

I also pray cannibalism did not exist yet in that time and space of Jesus, that his body did not fall prey to some ancient tribe of cannibals!

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, Guest Church mouse said:

I pray Jesus truly rose from his grave, his body did not fall prey to some ancient cannibals or some sick follower with necrophilic fetishism.

 

Did I hear about Christians breaking apart some bread and drinking wine in symbolism of sharing and feasting on Jesus' body and blood?

 

I pray that symbolism was not indexically referenced from some form of ancient cannibalism ritual!

 

6 minutes ago, Guest Church mouse said:

Actually, when you think about it, in many catholic churches in Europe, "preserved" relics of many ancient Saints are displayed.

 

Those relics are human body parts like fingers, heart, skull cap, even dehydrated whole bodies housed in some elaborate glass, wood or metal containers. Catholics love to touch and kiss those containers with the relics in them to be close to God in some Catholic rituals.

 

I wonder if Jesus's missing body was actually stolen, mummified, displayed at some ancient home, idolised and prayed to for "luck" and "blessings" by one of his many ancient followers and fanatics?

 

Or worse, split up and kept in many different ancient homes as souvenirs.

 

Thus the missing body. Otherwise, why would the broken body "rise from the dead", if it did not turn into a zombie?

 

I thought only the soul will rise to heaven, leaving the body behind???

Apologetic to @Steve5380for not offering enough freedom here for him to respond.

[Steve5380]

9 hours ago, Guest yoy said:

I think the Pope once said that u didn't need to believe in Jesus to be saved, as quoted in the media??!! Be careful of wolf in sheep's clothing, guys! Christianity & Catholicism are 2 very different things. True Christianity started with the first churches during Jesus' time. Catholicism only came later around 300 A.D. and was started with Emperor Constantine of Rome declaring himself as the 1st Pope and head of the church, in order to control the burgeoning Christian population as he was afraid of their influence. As for Protestantism, it is a movement to return to the pure, unadulterated gospel as presented in the bible and practiced by the first disciples of Jesus, and the movement was led by Martin Luther in the 15th century. This is because he believed the Catholic church had strayed so far away from the original teachings of Jesus.

 

For example, do u know Catholicism has its own Constitution (like the American constitution for instance) with so many man-made rules & regulations that were never in the bible in the first place? For example, the vow of celibacy among priests is a requirement that was never stated in the bible. The Vatican is the richest religious organization in the world, with 1 billion followers around the world, but as exposed in the media, there is much corruption and paedophilia among its priests. In Catholicism, they call the priest "Father". However, Jesus himself said, "And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9).
Many bible end-times prophecy scholars have speculated that the current pope might be the so-called "False Prophet" who is in cahoots with the very soon-to-be revealed Anti-Christ. Both these figures are major players during the last days, as prophesied in the Book of Revelations which is the last chapter of the bible dealing with end-times events.

 

I am familiar with your version of what Catholicism is or is not.  And I find your version flawed like many others.

Protestantism is in no way superior to Catholicism or different in its "Christianity".    Yes, the Catholic Church was corrupt in the past,  and much of Protestantism is corrupt today.  The fact that any John Doe can call himself a "pastor" and start a Christian denomination and accept donations and make a living of luxury,  cases of Lakewood Church or New Creation Church, is not a very solid base for a belief.   The TRUTH may be that Christianity does not need to be associated with any organized entity.  Christianity can be simply a link between us the individual and a nice book called The Bible, with the main figure there who is an enlightened man, whose teachings are worth studying and following.

 

I used to go to a Hispanic charismatic church where my bf had friends there, and I found it quite typical:  the "minister" didn't have any official theology preparation, but he had a golden tongue and he exploited the poor simple and modest members of his congregation by extracting money from them.  He preached that the Pope is "the anti-Christ",  that Catholicism is idolatry (because there are statues in its churches where believers preach to them), and a lot of other stupidities.  Much of the service was a band that played pop music,  "holding hands",  people coming to the front in sort of a trance and the "minister" made them fall back, and other clowning around.  Ah... and the "minister's" favorite motto was that any money you give to his church,  God will return to you three-times.  LOL!

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, wilfgene said:

 

Apologetic to @Steve5380for not offering enough freedom here for him to respond.

 

 

Don't worry @wilfgene, I have enough freedom in my mind.  I like to see how this conversation are making many posters here think,  one can nearly see the wheels of thought turning in their heads.  This should be the goal of a good conversation about religiousness.  Not to proselytize, but to RAISE AWARENESS.

[Guest Guest Curious]

23 hours ago, Guest yoy said:

True Christianity started with the first churches during Jesus' time. Catholicism only came later around 300 A.D. and was started with Emperor Constantine of Rome declaring himself as the 1st Pope and head of the church, in order to control the burgeoning Christian population as he was afraid of their influence.

There's an error here that you have made and @Steve5380with his deep knowledge of religious matters failed to pick up.

 

The Emperor Constantine who founded Constantinople and was the first Roman Emperor to legalise the practice of Christianity in the Empire was not a Pope. In fact, he was only baptised just before he died. There were four Popes during Constantine's reign - Miltiades, Sylvester I, Mark and Julius I.. Nor did Constantine found Catholicism. That had been the recognised form of Christianity since the time of Christ. Catholics regard the founders of the organised religion as being Jesus' disciples after Jesus death. He was, though, the young Church's patron and helped establish it throughout the Empire.

 

Constantine certainly found ways to control dissent in the population, but this was more amongst the pagan tribes who objected to the taxes he imposed on non-Christians and others who did not subscribe to the version of the Christian faith being practised. To the end, he called together the Council of Nicea and others to determine for the first time a solid basis for Church teachings.

 

Having established Constantinople, he permitted his mother Helena to make a pilgrimage to the Holy Land with the aim of finding the True Cross on which Jesus was crucified and other Christian relics. When there she was responsible for the construction of two churches on the sites of Jesus' Birth and Ascension. She brought back a hoard of relics. But these were never spread around. They are all now housed in the Basilica of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem.

 

Helena had started the fashion for finding ancient relics allegedly related to Jesus. She was eventually created a saint. The problem is that the world was soon awash with relics, so that there must have been dozens of crosses on which the crucifixion took place, and so on. There must also have been several Saint Helenas. A church in Venice claims to have her entire body. Yet her skull is claimed to be in a church in Germany. Other parts of her body are located, allegedly, in Italy and France.

 

There was a Pope Constantine but he reigned in the 8th century.

 

[Steve5380]

On 3/30/2021 at 9:58 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

And there you are... making so many comments about religion here, after you can go around advising other foreigners to refrain from talking about religion in another thread here? What a hypocrite. 

 

Thank you.

[Guest Guest]

On 4/1/2021 at 12:43 AM, Guest my observ said:

I observe u follow this guy on every post and plaster him with ur insults.

Take an effort to read and u can note he wrote about this New Creation Church and not about the religion himself. Dun see where he made many comment on religion.

Ur label "hypocrite" is inaccurate. Ur post don't add a thing on the New Creation Church, can ignore then.

 

"This guy" you mentioned  quoted the Bible on someone. How is this "not" talking about religion? In fact, he's preaching it. 

 

On 3/29/2021 at 7:29 PM, singalion said:

If I ever have to meet this Mr Prince, I would tell him the following:

Mark 10:21

Jesus: “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

 

[Guest share]

 

[Guest history]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest Curious said:

There's an error here that you have made and @Steve5380with his deep knowledge of religious matters failed to pick up.

 

The Emperor Constantine who founded Constantinople and was the first Roman Emperor to legalise the practice of Christianity in the Empire was not a Pope. In fact, he was only baptised just before he died. 

 "deep knowledge of religious matters"? Hahaha, why do i have this feeling you and Steve5380 are the SAME person? lol... What you just described in your article is the Catholic church's amended version of history, to legitimize their claims. Btw did u just copy and paste from some Catholic website?

 

Catholicism was founded when Emperor Constantine  declared himself as the 1st Emperor Pope, something which is so antithetical to biblical teachings. Yes, he legalised the church, but only after he realised that killing Christians did not work, as there were too many of them. Thus, he decided to take over it instead by making himself the head of it.

 

However, he also made so many changes to the bible and practice of Christianity in order to suit his political purposes, until the church became the Catholic church that u see today, with all its pagan practices adopted from the pagan Roman era e.g. saint-worshipping culture, relics, paying for blessings, self-flagellation etc.

 

The most obvious disparity between true Christianity and Catholicism is in the Catholic constitution, which makes various declarations not found in the bible e.g. the catholic doctrine of papal supremacy --  which gives the Pope the full power and authority of God on earth (including political power) to condemn whomsoever he chooses to hell, or forgive them of their sins. In fact, the catholic church has killed more christians than any other organization over the centuries e.g. during the Spanish Inquisition, the Dark ages, the crusades etc.

 

This is totally against Christian beliefs. Only God has the right to judge anyone and only God Himself has the right to forgive anyone of their sins. And God has forgiven all of us of our sins, by sending His only son Jesus Christ to die for our sins! The only sin that can never be forgiven is the sin of UNBELIEF -- of rejecting Christ as your savior. 

 

Even today in the Catholic church, followers have to confess their sins regularly to a priest, who then supposedly has the power to forgive them. And like Constantine, the current Pope Francis is not only a religious leader, but a political one as well, being head of Vatican City, which is an actual country itself within Italy, having its own currency, flag and army.

[Guest Reminder]

Just a reminder, the thread is about a gay joining or planning to join New Creation Church.

 

The thread is not about general issues of Christianity.

 

Can you get back to the original topic.

 

 

There is another thread at the Member section:

 

 

https://www.blowingwind.io/forum/topic/24462-being-a-gay-christian/page/4/#comments

 

 

Please post all your general input on the Christian Religion at this thread.

 

Thanks!

 

[Guest Guest Curious]

33 minutes ago, Guest history said:

 "deep knowledge of religious matters"? Hahaha, why do i have this feeling you and Steve5380 are the SAME person? lol... What you just described in your article is the Catholic church's amended version of history, to legitimize their claims. Btw did u just copy and paste from some Catholic website?

 

Catholicism was founded when Emperor Constantine  declared himself as the 1st Emperor Pope, something which is so antithetical to biblical teachings. Yes, he legalised the church, but only after he realised that killing Christians did not work, as there were too many of them. Thus, he decided to take over it instead by making himself the head of it.

 

However, he also made so many changes to the bible and practice of Christianity in order to suit his political purposes, until the church became the Catholic church that u see today, with all its pagan practices adopted from the pagan Roman era e.g. saint-worshipping culture, relics, paying for blessings, self-flagellation etc.

Me, @Steve5380? Is there a worse fate? I certainly am not and would not wish to be by any stretch of the imagination! 

 

As for Constantine being the Pope, please provide a definitive link. As I stated in my post, there were four Popes during his time. Constantine was not one of them.

 

I am not and never have been a Catholic. Nor do I wish to become one. I do agree, though, that Constantine made many changes to the dogma of Christianity with the various Councils of supposedly learned men he convened. And I fail to understand why the deliberations of a group of men assembled some 300 years after the death of Jesus should make the rules on which the religion had to become based. I distrust the Bible as being an accurate account of events in the New Testament for that very reason.

 

Sorry @Guest Reminder I have to reply to Guest history's reply to  my earlier post here. Otherwise it would make no sense.

[Guest Twelve]

Is is true the 12 saints and 12 disciples of Christ were based on the pantheon of 12 Greco-Roman deities?

[Guest Head]

The idea of a ‘pope’ is not found in the Bible in the first place, but is a Catholic invention to gain power & control over the people. The only true head of the church as mentioned and recognized in the Bible is Jesus Christ himself.

[Guest Mutton dressed as lamb]

Some local pastors even act like the pope himself. Not shy one. These people.

[Steve5380]

9 hours ago, Guest history said:

 

The most obvious disparity between true Christianity and Catholicism is in the Catholic constitution, which makes various declarations not found in the bible e.g. the catholic doctrine of papal supremacy --  which gives the Pope the full power and authority of God on earth (including political power) to condemn whomsoever he chooses to hell, or forgive them of their sins. In fact, the catholic church has killed more christians than any other organization over the centuries e.g. during the Spanish Inquisition, the Dark ages, the crusades etc.

 

 

You need to learn a little more about Catholicism.  By "Catholic constitution" you mean the Catechism?  This is simply a writeup for the Catholic believers to consult about the doctrine.  It includes material not revealed in the Bible, but has nonetheless divine origin.  In all your criticism you forget that the Christian God has three components: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit has hoovered over mankind since the beginning of times to assure that the Word of God remains unaltered.  And it is this Spirit who inspires the Pope and the members of councils in their resolutions.  Your criticism is very obvious to anyone, but the invention of the Holy Spirit removes it totally.  (there have been intelligent people in the Catholic church, ha ha).

 

 

9 hours ago, Guest history said:

 

This is totally against Christian beliefs. Only God has the right to judge anyone and only God Himself has the right to forgive anyone of their sins. And God has forgiven all of us of our sins, by sending His only son Jesus Christ to die for our sins! The only sin that can never be forgiven is the sin of UNBELIEF -- of rejecting Christ as your savior. 

 

 

HOW CONVENIENT!   So the death of an inspired sage 2000 years ago has removed ALL YOUR SINS?  So you wish!  This should be taken allegorically.  The reality is:  you sin, you PAY!   And if you have any respect for Buddhism,  Jesus did not brought you an eraser of bad karma!

 

Lack of belief can never be a sin.  BILLIONS of humans don't believe in Christ as their savior, and a real divinity would never allow them to be in sin for that.  Like we cannot turn on and off our homosexuality,  true belief is too deep in our spirit that we can tweak it (to avoid punishment and gain a "salvation")

 

 

9 hours ago, Guest history said:

 

Even today in the Catholic church, followers have to confess their sins regularly to a priest, who then supposedly has the power to forgive them. And like Constantine, the current Pope Francis is not only a religious leader, but a political one as well, being head of Vatican City, which is an actual country itself within Italy, having its own currency, flag and army.

 

 

You can be as cynical about the Sacrament of Penance as you want, but for the believers it is an effective psychological tool to relieve the traumas of guilt.  

 

You can take this Sacrament at its face value and argue that Catholics are set free of sins too cheaply.  But the Sacrament has its caveat:  the person must have true repentance and intentions to not do the sin again,  and he must fulfill the penalty (a trivial requirement). 

 

Like the British monarchy, the papacy is mostly traditional in its physical powers it wielded in its past.  But it preserves its moral authority,  which I think Pope Francis is upholding very well. 

[Guest Cahoot licks]

Except that authority is symbolic. Who actually listens to them except for show on paper?

 

They are a puppet show to control their puppets, or sheeps.

 

Paedophiles Inc. more befitting their corporate culture.

[Guest song]

 

A very beautiful song by NCC worship team : )

[Steve5380]

11 hours ago, Guest song said:

 

A very beautiful song by NCC worship team : )

 

This beautiful song inspired me to investigate the career of "advertising specialist". 

 

It turns out that there are universities that give degrees in this field.  It must be growing rapidly, since I find that commercials are becoming more elaborate and sagacious in their goals to convince us to buy.

 

Why I mention this?  Because I find this video "Shadow of Grace" also a sagacious way to proselytize the viewer into the product of NCC,  its "Christianity of salvation".   

[Guest Easter]

 

NCC Easter service! Really encourage everyone on BW to listen to the sermon, and also especially watch the miraculous healing testimony from the 30 minute mark : )

[Steve5380]

18 hours ago, Guest Easter said:

 

NCC Easter service! Really encourage everyone on BW to listen to the sermon, and also especially watch the miraculous healing testimony from the 30 minute mark : )

 

God heavens!  This proselytizing video lasted for nearly two hours!  So many little children acting in it,  so much sweet tear moisteners that left my monitor sticky.  This could convert even Satan in Hell to a New Creation Church Christian!

 

Hopefully you spent your time on Eastern hunting for eastern eggs!  😎

[Guest Great news]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

God heavens!  This proselytizing video lasted for nearly two hours!  So many little children acting in it,  so much sweet tear moisteners that left my monitor sticky.  This could convert even Satan in Hell to a New Creation Church.

Good to know you have been evangelised. 

[Steve5380]

15 minutes ago, Guest Great news said:

Good to know you have been evangelised. 

 

Not me!  If I were in the shoes of Satan,  I would prefer 1000 times to go back to Hell with a clean conscience.

[Guest Heavenly Angel]

32 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I would prefer 1000 times to go back to Hell

Sounds fair.  but.....what is stopping you?

[Steve5380]

10 hours ago, Guest Heavenly Angel said:

Sounds fair.  but.....what is stopping you?

 

What would stop me?  My lack of faith in the existence of a Hell.  The only Hell I know about may be the one we create for ourselves,  and I am able avoid it with happiness and peace of mind.  The same with Satan,  who may exist only in the doctrines of some organized religions, to make their doctrines work. 

[kimlo777]

On 3/29/2021 at 3:02 PM, LoveCum said:

i recall a church have TOPS on the left, Btms on the right Service，They put a rainbow flag and said " OUT SERVICE. " Church in queenstown

You must be referring to the Free Community Church helmed by Pastor Miak, who is himself a gay.

[Guest lala]

I attended Free Community Church a few times previously. Their teachings do not follow the bible accurately. Instead, they preach a sort of new age, Universalist version of the gospel that is based more on human effort, and minimizes the saving grace of God as well as man's need of salvation.

[LoveCum]

3 hours ago, kimlo777 said:

You must be referring to the Free Community Church helmed by Pastor Miak, who is himself a gay.

 

Out Of The Closet: Miak Siew Shares His Story – Dear Straight People

 

 

yeah ever see him somewhere to.....cina town  / boat quay

[kimlo777]

23 hours ago, LoveCum said:

 

Out Of The Closet: Miak Siew Shares His Story – Dear Straight People

 

 

yeah ever see him somewhere to.....cina town  / boat quay

was he just hanging around or cruising?

[Guest Hadid Walk]

5 hours ago, kimlo777 said:

was he just hanging around or cruising?

Autopiloting. Flaneuring. Sauntering. Floating. Drifting. Parading. Mardigrazing. Sashaying?

[Guest He lives]

Another gorgeous song for u!