Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest Guest]

On 9/30/2021 at 1:00 PM, Guest guest said:

Thought they have clear plan to continue to achieve their plan to open up and live with virus? Perhaps this is why even current 2000 cases and many death everyday they still think it is expected and under control?

 

They do have a very clear plan. The plan is to blame Singaporeans again if things don't work out. 

[Guest not nightingale]

On 9/30/2021 at 1:05 PM, Nightingale said:

Resources overstretched.

 

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20210929-1198409

The hospitals are overwhelmed with hypochondriacs

[leo yok loo]

Why are we still importing cases everyday? 

We have enough local cases liao.

外国的月亮比较圆? Haha...

[Guest loo poo]

On 9/30/2021 at 4:39 PM, leo yok loo said:

Why are we still importing cases everyday? 

We have enough local cases liao.

外国的月亮比较圆? Haha...

so funny that you're still concerned about imported cases

 

[jlone]

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEI34_YzYi5FtmOJ-tjzGm7gqMwgEKioIACIQQ24p9EuTWONuR0HxPvDVISoUCAoiEENuKfRLk1jjbkdB8T7w1SEwjrbLBg?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen

[Guest guest]

How many cases today?

[jlone]

[11:05 pm, 30/09/2021] Anthony Qiang Shun: GREAT NEWS

📌 Doctors in the General Hospital in China confirmed that COVID-19 
(Corona virus) can be killed :

 這 是 100 ％ 準確 的 信息 ，
 This information is 100% accurate
 對於 每個 人 都 非常 有效。
 Very effective for everyone

 為什麼 中國 大陸 過去 幾天 大大 減少 了 感染 人數
 China has significantly reduced the number of infections in the past few days.

 除了 戴 口罩 勤 洗手 外 ，
 Besides wearing masks and washing hands

 他們 只是 簡單 地 每天 漱口 3 次 鹽水
 They also gargle salt water 3 times a day

 完成 後 ， 喝水 5 分鐘。
 After that, drink warm water for 5 minutes 

 因為 該 病毒 只能 在 喉嚨 中 侵襲 ，
 Because the virus initially only attacks the throat

 然後 再 侵襲 肺部
 Then  attack the lungs

 當 受到 鹽水 侵襲 時.
 When hit by salt water

 該 病毒 會 死亡 或 胃中 胃中 下來 並 在 胃中 銷毀,
 The virus will die or descend and disintegrate in the stomach

  這 是 預防 冠狀 病毒 流行 的 唯一 方法 ，
 This is one way to prevent Covid-19 .

  市場 上 沒有 藥品
 There is no medicine on the market
  所以 不要 購買。
 No need to buy

  童 綜合 王叔 昂 醫師 醫師 ：
 The General Hospital stated

  新 冠 肺炎 在 還 沒有 來到 肺部 之前, Before the corona  / virus reaches the lungs
 
  它 會 在 喉嚨 部位 存活 4 天
 The virus lives in the throat for 4 days

  在 這個 時候 ， 人們 會 開始 咳嗽 及 喉痛。
 At this time, the infected start to cough & sore throat.

  如果 他 能 儘量 喝多 溫 開水 及 或,
 If you can drink as much warm water as possible 

  就能 消滅 病菌。
 Can eliminate viruses

  儘快 把 此 訊息 轉達 一下 ，
 Hurry and spread this message.

  因爲 你 會 救 他人 一 命！
 Because you will save someone's life !

[lonelyglobe]

2478 + 2 death,  on the right track.

[Guest Guest]

On 9/30/2021 at 11:19 PM, jlone said:

[11:05 pm, 30/09/2021] Anthony Qiang Shun: GREAT NEWS

📌 Doctors in the General Hospital in China confirmed that COVID-19 
(Corona virus) can be killed :

 這 是 100 ％ 準確 的 信息 ，
 This information is 100% accurate
 對於 每個 人 都 非常 有效。
 Very effective for everyone

 為什麼 中國 大陸 過去 幾天 大大 減少 了 感染 人數
 China has significantly reduced the number of infections in the past few days.

 除了 戴 口罩 勤 洗手 外 ，
 Besides wearing masks and washing hands

 他們 只是 簡單 地 每天 漱口 3 次 鹽水
 They also gargle salt water 3 times a day

 完成 後 ， 喝水 5 分鐘。
 After that, drink warm water for 5 minutes 

 因為 該 病毒 只能 在 喉嚨 中 侵襲 ，
 Because the virus initially only attacks the throat

 然後 再 侵襲 肺部
 Then  attack the lungs

 當 受到 鹽水 侵襲 時.
 When hit by salt water

 該 病毒 會 死亡 或 胃中 胃中 下來 並 在 胃中 銷毀,
 The virus will die or descend and disintegrate in the stomach

  這 是 預防 冠狀 病毒 流行 的 唯一 方法 ，
 This is one way to prevent Covid-19 .

  市場 上 沒有 藥品
 There is no medicine on the market
  所以 不要 購買。
 No need to buy

  童 綜合 王叔 昂 醫師 醫師 ：
 The General Hospital stated

  新 冠 肺炎 在 還 沒有 來到 肺部 之前, Before the corona  / virus reaches the lungs
 
  它 會 在 喉嚨 部位 存活 4 天
 The virus lives in the throat for 4 days

  在 這個 時候 ， 人們 會 開始 咳嗽 及 喉痛。
 At this time, the infected start to cough & sore throat.

  如果 他 能 儘量 喝多 溫 開水 及 或,
 If you can drink as much warm water as possible 

  就能 消滅 病菌。
 Can eliminate viruses

  儘快 把 此 訊息 轉達 一下 ，
 Hurry and spread this message.

  因爲 你 會 救 他人 一 命！
 Because you will save someone's life !

 

Careful not to spread such unproven home remedies around. It may only give people the sense of false hopes, only for people to come crashing down when the hopes are dashed. Good to take such ideas with a huge pinch of salt ( and no pun intended). 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-salt-vinegar/false-claim-gargling-with-warm-water-and-salt-or-vinegar-will-kill-the-coronavirus-idUSKBN2142MW

 

 

On 9/30/2021 at 11:31 PM, lonelyglobe said:

2478 + 2 death,  on the right track.

 

Sometimes I really wonder what will the G says if daily deaths get above 10, 20, 50 or even 100? 

 

 

On 9/30/2021 at 2:28 PM, Guest not nightingale said:

The hospitals are overwhelmed with hypochondriacs

 

.... and there you go! It's Singaporeans' fault again! LOL! 

[Derren]

On 10/1/2021 at 12:40 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Sometimes I really wonder what will the G says if daily deaths get above 10, 20, 50 or even 100? 

 

 

Going by the current death rate of 0.1%, average daily deaths would rise to 10 if the daily infected cases soar beyond 10,000. . 

[lonelyglobe]

On 10/1/2021 at 12:40 AM, Guest Guest said:

Sometimes I really wonder what will the G says if daily deaths get above 10, 20, 50 or even 100?  

"We never expect this to happen but rest assured, everything under well control and we are still on the right track"

Edited October 1, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[Guest Guest]

On 10/1/2021 at 9:44 AM, Derren said:

 

Going by the current death rate of 0.1%, average daily deaths would rise to 10 if the daily infected cases soar beyond 10,000. . 

 

That's so naive. When the hospital systems gets overwhelmed as it is now soon going to be, do you think death rate will still remain at only 0.1%? Haven't you already seen that happening both in the USA and China already? Some people just want to stay safe living in their cocoon instead of taking lessons from all what is happening all around the world.  

[Derren]

On 10/1/2021 at 5:57 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

That's so naive. When the hospital systems gets overwhelmed as it is now soon going to be, do you think death rate will still remain at only 0.1%? Haven't you already seen that happening both in the USA and China already? Some people just want to stay safe living in their cocoon instead of taking lessons from all what is happening all around the world.  

 

Nothing in my statement assumes that the death rate will remain the same if the hospitals are overwhelmed. 

Edited October 1, 2021 by Derren

[Guest Guest]

On 10/1/2021 at 6:27 PM, Derren said:

 

Nothing in my statement assumes that the death rate will remain the same if the hospitals are overwhelmed. 

 

If your use of the same 0.1% death rate at a 10,000 daily infection rate is not your assumption that the death rate is going to remain the same, then what is?

[lonelyglobe]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/8-seniors-die-of-covid-19-bringing-death-toll-to-103-in-spore-2909-new-cases

[Guest guest]

On 10/1/2021 at 11:35 PM, lonelyglobe said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/8-seniors-die-of-covid-19-bringing-death-toll-to-103-in-spore-2909-new-cases

Omg, another 8 death! Covid cases near to 3000!!! Seriously the situation seems getting out of control!?

[lonelyglobe]

On 10/1/2021 at 11:42 PM, Guest guest said:

Omg, another 8 death! Covid cases near to 3000!!! Seriously the situation seems getting out of control!?

Cannot anyhow say,  everything still under good control and still on track OK. This week figure no worry as SG only impose restrictions on 27 sept,  next week figure will be crucial,  if still like this,  that means restrictions are useless and smell of CB is in the air. 

[mate69]

I guess this is what they mean by "endemic living"

[Guest guest]

On 10/1/2021 at 11:51 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Cannot anyhow say,  everything still under good control and still on track OK. This week figure no worry as SG only impose restrictions on 27 sept,  next week figure will be crucial,  if still like this,  that means restrictions are useless and smell of CB is in the air. 

So now the cases is expected? Next 1-2 weeks the cases should come down? Let's see if it is really true?

[Derren]

On 10/1/2021 at 10:34 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

If your use of the same 0.1% death rate at a 10,000 daily infection rate is not your assumption that the death rate is going to remain the same, then what is?

 

I am just estimating the number of daily infection cases if the death rate remains at 0.1%. 

 

At what point will hospital resources be overwhelmed? 

 

If the 1,600 ICU beds were the critical resource, going by the current 0.2% ICU rate, we can should be able to handle it even if daily infection cases reach 10,000. Hospital beds and community care facilities will be very strained. But how much will it affect the death rate? No data so far.

 

Edited October 2, 2021 by Derren

[Derren]

 

[Guest GuesT]

I believe covid is spread by food sharing and metal utensil .Covid is not air bored.Base on the hugh number many people got it easily .It is possible my judgement is right.

[Derren]

On 10/2/2021 at 12:24 PM, Nightingale said:

If  One  Gets  Sick  from  Covid,

Dying  is  Not  the  Only  Bad  Outcome

 https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/forum/forum-if-one-gets-sick-from-covid-19-dying-is-not-the-only-bad-outcome

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/1-in-10-recovered-covid-19-patients-in-spore-suffers-persistent-symptoms-six-months-after

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/endemic-covid-19-long-term-effect-vaccine-2197856

 

[lonelyglobe]

On 10/2/2021 at 11:33 AM, Guest GuesT said:

I believe covid is spread by food sharing and metal utensil .Covid is not air bored.Base on the hugh number many people got it easily .It is possible my judgement is right.

virus can remain viable for up to 72 hours on plastic and stainless steel, up to four hours on copper, and up to 24 hours on cardboard.

[Guest guest]

is the government doing a good job?

[Guest Guest]

On 10/2/2021 at 1:25 PM, Guest guest said:

is the government doing a good job?

No worries, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, 40,000, 50,000, 60,000 per day ..... cases are "still on track".

 

So yes, a job well done! 

 

According to government, if we are to "live with the virus", then why the need to wear mask, use trace together, adopt safety distance measures, implement tightening measures etc.?

[Guest Guest]

 

On 10/2/2021 at 6:01 AM, Derren said:

I am just estimating the number of daily infection cases if the death rate remains at 0.1%.

 

...by assuming that the death rate will remain at 0.1% even when the infected numbers reach a daily 10000? Isn't that an assumption which you denied in a few post above?

 

On 10/2/2021 at 6:01 AM, Derren said:

At what point will hospital resources be overwhelmed? 

 

At what point? How about about now?

 

On 10/2/2021 at 6:01 AM, Derren said:

If the 1,600 ICU beds were the critical resource, going by the current 0.2% ICU rate, we can should be able to handle it even if daily infection cases reach 10,000. Hospital beds and community care facilities will be very strained.

 

Thank you for proving that people like you only think of resources only as "ICU beds, Hospital beds and community care facilities". How about the doctors, nurses and all other medical staff? 

 

You basically proved that people who wants the country to be opened are those who only care about money and infrastructure, and forgetting that it is the PEOPLE who is making up Singapore. I guess that's why you are OK for people in Singapore to die.

 

On 10/2/2021 at 6:04 AM, Derren said:

 

 

 

"mild flu symptoms"?? LOL! Just because you have some mild flu symptoms do not mean you won't die from it. Such underplaying of the seriousness of COVID by a Duke-NUS professor is shameful.

 

On 10/2/2021 at 12:47 PM, Derren said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/1-in-10-recovered-covid-19-patients-in-spore-suffers-persistent-symptoms-six-months-after

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/endemic-covid-19-long-term-effect-vaccine-2197856

 

 

...and yet, you still seemed to be focusing only on the "low death rate"  which by itself is already an alarming number.

[Guest Bobby]

Looking at the current rate of infection, it seems that the chance of anyone catching Covid is high and very possible.

Granted that 98% of people who catches it do not show serious symptoms and recover soon enough, can I ask if catching covid in today's context will result in serious repercussions (such as half the lungs no longer functioning due to lung fibrosis) in years to come?

[Derren]

On 10/2/2021 at 2:26 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

...by assuming that the death rate will remain at 0.1% even when the infected numbers reach a daily 10000? Isn't that an assumption which you denied in a few post above?

 

 

At what point? How about about now?

 

 

Thank you for proving that people like you only think of resources only as "ICU beds, Hospital beds and community care facilities". How about the doctors, nurses and all other medical staff? 

 

You basically proved that people who wants the country to be opened are those who only care about money and infrastructure, and forgetting that it is the PEOPLE who is making up Singapore. I guess that's why you are OK for people in Singapore to die.

 

 

"mild flu symptoms"?? LOL! Just because you have some mild flu symptoms do not mean you won't die from it. Such underplaying of the seriousness of COVID by a Duke-NUS professor is shameful.

 

 

...and yet, you still seemed to be focusing only on the "low death rate"  which by itself is already an alarming number.

 

You seem to assume that at 10,000 daily cases, the hospital resources will definitely be overwhelmed. I am saying I don't know if that will certainly be the case. In the scenario in which the hospitals are not overwhelmed, the death rate would probably remain close to 0.1%. But should the hospitals be overwhelmed, then sure, the death rate would increase, but by how much, I have no estimate for that. 

 

I agree with you that the medical personnel is part of hospital resources. But I have no data pertaining to that, so I can't make an estimate if these will be overwhelmed. 

 

Yes, you are the great icon of compassion and wisdom. Hope you consider running for office to save the country. 

 

[Derren]

On 10/2/2021 at 4:30 PM, Guest Bobby said:

Looking at the current rate of infection, it seems that the chance of anyone catching Covid is high and very possible.

Granted that 98% of people who catches it do not show serious symptoms and recover soon enough, can I ask if catching covid in today's context will result in serious repercussions (such as half the lungs no longer functioning due to lung fibrosis) in years to come?

 

It's too early to tell. 

 

In SG, 1 in 10 seems to have long covid i.e. symptoms which last for several months. But that's before vaccination and the Delta variant. We don't know how it will change things.

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2021 by Derren

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/2/2021 at 4:42 PM, Derren said:

 

You seem to assume that at 10,000 daily cases, the hospital resources will definitely be overwhelmed. I am saying I don't know if that will certainly be the case. In the scenario in which the hospitals are not overwhelmed, the death rate would probably remain close to 0.1%. But should the hospitals be overwhelmed, then sure, the death rate would increase, but by how much, I have no estimate for that. 

 

I agree with you that the medical personnel is part of hospital resources. But I have no data pertaining to that, so I can't make an estimate if these will be overwhelmed. 

 

Yes, you are the great icon of compassion and wisdom. Hope you consider running for office to save the country. 

 

thank you for having the patience to try and bring some reason and logic to a discussion which is getting increasingly hysterical and detached from reality on the part of some posters. 

[jlone]

Please help to transfer the following article as much as possible to the people around you, people around you, especially to the locals in Singapore, so that more people should know it.
 Whether others can hear it or not, we can’t do anything about it, but if one more person knows, one less person may go to dine-in, and the environment will be a bit safer.
 Everyone, please help! If this goes on, Singapore is too dangerous!! ⚠️ This is about the safety of each of us, please forward it!  Thank you all.
 [Knock you up! Do you understand how dangerous dine-in is?!]

 Hawker center, coffee shop, food court tableware🍴, dishes🥣, chopsticks🥢, spoons🥄, knife and fork🍴,
 If it has been used by a person who has contracted coronary disease,
 Didn’t wash it clean, other people continued to use it,
 Will get crown disease!!!

 And, all tableware🍴🥢🥣🥄
 They are all put into a bucket and washed together. After bleaching, they will be picked up and used without disinfection. If a piece of tableware is infected with a virus, all the tableware will have a virus!!!

 Now there are many unknown infected people in the community, and many confirmed patients are recovering at home. They will go to the hawker center to eat in, do you still think it is not dangerous for you to eat in?!
 Do you dare to put the 🍴🥢🥄 🥣 used by the infected person into your own mouth?
 Do you dare to use virus-stained 🥄 🥢 to deliver food into your mouth?
 You dare?! 

 If you don't want Singapore to become as horrible as India, from this moment, stop dine-in!!!
 And tell more people!!!
 Please pack your food and eat it home!  😌
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[Derren]

MOH needs to buck up and scale up quickly. The Home Recovery Programme should have been better planned and implemented. The instructions have to be much clearer.

 

This is especially so as experts have predicted 5,000 - 10,000 daily cases at the peak of this transmission wave.

 

 

Some data from OKY

Hospital beds: 1700 

Current Community Treatment Facilities (CTF)  beds: 580

Total CTF beds by end Oct: 3700

Community Care Facilities (CCF): 4300

 

56% Home Recovery

20% in CCF 

10% in CTF and hospitals

14% in dormitories etc.

 

If cases get to 10,000 per day, that will be 70,000 a week. If 10% needs medical supervision, then 7,000 beds will be required every week (assuming they stay a week). In total, we will have 9,700 beds but that's only ready by end Oct. Hence the need for measures to slow the spread at least till the last week of Oct.

 

Medical personnel will be another critical resource. Still looking for relevant data.

Edited October 3, 2021 by Derren

[jlone]

On 10/2/2021 at 11:00 PM, Derren said:

MOH needs to buck up and scale up quickly. The Home Recovery Programme should have been better planned and implemented. The instructions have to be much clearer.

 

This is especially so as experts have predicted 5,000 - 10,000 daily cases. 

 

 

Some data from OKY

Hospital beds: 1700 

Current Community Treatment Facilities (CTF)  beds: 580

Additional CTF beds to be set up by mid Oct: 900 (Expo + SK)

Total CTF beds by end Oct: 3,700

Community Care Facilities (CCF): 4300

 

56% Home Recovery

20% in CCF 

10% in CTF and hospitals

14% in dormitories etc.

 

 

 

 

Do they have enough manpower to man all these ? Pity those healthcare n frontline workers !

[Derren]

On 10/2/2021 at 11:04 PM, jlone said:

Do they have enough manpower to man all these ? Pity those healthcare n frontline workers !

 

They have roped in SAF and are streamlining their complex protocols. 

They are also appealing for volunteers from the healthcare profession.

[Guest Guest]

 

On 10/2/2021 at 4:30 PM, Guest Bobby said:

Looking at the current rate of infection, it seems that the chance of anyone catching Covid is high and very possible.

Granted that 98% of people who catches it do not show serious symptoms and recover soon enough, can I ask if catching covid in today's context will result in serious repercussions (such as half the lungs no longer functioning due to lung fibrosis) in years to come?

 

 

Over a third of COVID-19 patients diagnosed with at least one long-COVID symptom | University of Oxford

29 SEP 2021

 

 

 

37% of people had at least one long-COVID symptom diagnosed in the 3-6 month period after COVID-19 infection. The most common symptoms were breathing problems, abdominal symptoms, fatigue, pain and anxiety/depression.

This new study from the University of Oxford and the National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) Oxford Health Biomedical Research Centre (BRC) investigated long-COVID in over 270,000 people recovering from COVID-19 infection, using data from the US-based TriNetX electronic health record network.

 

The study reports on how commonly nine core long-COVID symptoms were diagnosed, and how this rate compared to people recovering from influenza. The nine core long-COVID symptoms, occurring 90-180 days after COVID-19 was diagnosed, comprise:

• Abnormal breathing – 8%
• Abdominal symptoms – 8%
• Anxiety/depression – 15%
• Chest/throat pain – 6%
• Cognitive problems (‘brain fog’) – 4%
• Fatigue – 6%
• Headache – 5%
• Myalgia (muscle pain) – 1.5%
• Other pain – 7%
• Any of the above features – 37%

[Guest Guest]

On 10/2/2021 at 4:58 PM, Derren said:

 

It's too early to tell. 

 

In SG, 1 in 10 seems to have long covid i.e. symptoms which last for several months. But that's before vaccination and the Delta variant. We don't know how it will change things.

 

 

 

 

Oh! As if 0.1% death wasn't bad enough for you, 10% people suffering from long term COVID is dubious in the light of  vaccination and the Delta variant. Now with the UK study saying that the long term effects is affecting as high as 37% of those who contacted COVID, I guess it must be a fake report? 

 

On 10/2/2021 at 11:00 PM, Derren said:

 

This is especially so as experts have predicted 5,000 - 10,000 daily cases at the peak of this transmission wave.

 

"Experts" predicting 5,000 - 10,000 cases now? Are they the same "experts" who also predicted that the situation will plateau after we hit a daily infection rate of 1,000 (or was it 3,000)?

 

Or perhaps what they meant was a daily rate of 10,000 is still after that number of 1,000 (or 3,000) which they had previously mentioned, So they are still not wrong? Just like a daily rate of 20,000 or 30,000 is also after what they had previously mentioned?  Hahahaha ... 

 

So much for your use of the term "experts". I can do that type of predictions too. 

 

 

On 10/2/2021 at 11:00 PM, Derren said:

Medical personnel will be another critical resource. Still looking for relevant data.

 

"data"? You haven't seen enough of the complaints of the healthcare workers online yet? But of course, that's not data to you. And even if whatever data tat you find says the system is overloaded, you won't admit to that issue, will you? Humans are just slaves for you to earn your money, right? 

 

 

On 10/2/2021 at 7:43 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Back to the topic, before nightingale tries to derail the discussion again:

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/individuals-should-not-be-too-anxious-or-fearful-about-rising-daily-covid-19-numbers-lawrence-wong-2217196

 

Very "good" speech by LW, and this is the very same LW who told Singaporeans "not to wear mask unless you are sick"? And now, "Individuals should not be ‘too anxious or fearful’ about rising daily COVID-19 numbers"?? ....

 

But I guess if he can become the new PM earning $2.2 million every year, what is a few dozens of deaths and the long-term effects on COVID patients to him?

 

 

 

On 10/2/2021 at 5:49 PM, Guest Wtf said:

thank you for having the patience to try and bring some reason and logic to a discussion which is getting increasingly hysterical and detached from reality on the part of some posters. 

 

Denying what is so obvious is what you call reason and logic? Hey .. what drug are you on? I want some of it. 

[Guest fuck covid]

I think the government is doing their best to control the deaths among elderlies. We will need to understand that lockdown is not a permanent solution. If you have elderlies at home, ask them to stay at home or go out early mornings only for morning walks to avoid crowd, maintain personal hygiene, eat home cooked food if you're too hysterical of catching the virus from outside food.Learn to live with the virus and carry on with our usual lives.I don't want my kids to live in the constant fear of virus.

[Derren]

 

On 10/3/2021 at 10:50 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Oh! As if 0.1% death wasn't bad enough for you, 10% people suffering from long term COVID is dubious in the light of  vaccination and the Delta variant. Now with the UK study saying that the long term effects is affecting as high as 37% of those who contacted COVID, I guess it must be a fake report? 

 

 

"Experts" predicting 5,000 - 10,000 cases now? Are they the same "experts" who also predicted that the situation will plateau after we hit a daily infection rate of 1,000 (or was it 3,000)?

 

Or perhaps what they meant was a daily rate of 10,000 is still after that number of 1,000 (or 3,000) which they had previously mentioned, So they are still not wrong? Just like a daily rate of 20,000 or 30,000 is also after what they had previously mentioned?  Hahahaha ... 

 

So much for your use of the term "experts". I can do that type of predictions too. 

 

 

 

"data"? You haven't seen enough of the complaints of the healthcare workers online yet? But of course, that's not data to you. And even if whatever data tat you find says the system is overloaded, you won't admit to that issue, will you? Humans are just slaves for you to earn your money, right? 

 

 

 

Very "good" speech by LW, and this is the very same LW who told Singaporeans "not to wear mask unless you are sick"? And now, "Individuals should not be ‘too anxious or fearful’ about rising daily COVID-19 numbers"?? ....

 

But I guess if he can become the new PM earning $2.2 million every year, what is a few dozens of deaths and the long-term effects on COVID patients to him?

 

 

 

 

Denying what is so obvious is what you call reason and logic? Hey .. what drug are you on? I want some of it. 

37% is quite a worrying figure for long Covid. Why "must it be a fake report"?  As have been pointed out in an earlier post, the 10% figure for long covid is for pre-Delta variants. 

 

Seems like the Delta variant has more long-term effects. Wonder how serious these long-term symptoms are. 

 

If the figures suggest that the healthcare system will be overwhelmed, I see no reason not to accept that possibility. For example, if we were to reach 10,000 in the next 2-3 days, it is quite apparent from the data that the hospital beds + CTF + CCF will not be sufficient. 

 

But of course, you are the Expert. You can size up the entire situation just by reading online complaints. Apparently, you have no need for figures.

 

Those so-called "experts" with their fallible mathematical models, they are just plain idiots, what do they know in comparison to you? Or worse still, corrupt slaves! Wish you would stand out publicly and expose these bastards' ignorance/greed with your supreme "reason and logic".  

Edited October 3, 2021 by Derren

[Guest Guest]

Last time during the lock down period, got so much peace and quietness ... like Chinese New Year ... 😜

[HendryTan]

We deleted a bunch of MEMBERS / GUEST post

- Out of Topic

- Quarreling

- Anti Vax

- Stir Shit Issues

- Politics

 

I deleted several days of posts en-mass and some good posts were caught in between. Leaving those in-place don't make sense as it loss its CONTEXT.

 

In this difficult times for Singapore,  let us keep this topic informative and useful.

We moderators do NOT want it to be used for any PROPAGANDA PURPOSE by shit stirrers and people with other agendas.

 

PS: There is now a bill in parliament concerning FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.  We will do what we feel is right for the readers, the moderators and for for all.
 

[LeanMature]

What goes up will come down.  Be it stock market, financial market or the Covid market. 

 

Six months ago, there are about 200k unvaccinated seniors.  Today the figure is hovering around 70k, which is still considered unsafe.  Although vaccination does not provide 100% protection, it can still save lives for those with little or no pre-existing illness.  

[Guest guest]

On 10/4/2021 at 2:10 PM, LeanMature said:

What goes up will come down.  Be it stock market, financial market or the Covid market. 

 

Six months ago, there are about 200k unvaccinated seniors.  Today the figure is hovering around 70k, which is still considered unsafe.  Although vaccination does not provide 100% protection, it can still save lives for those with little or no pre-existing illness.  

Waiting for that day to come for the covid cases to come down.

[yuquidam]

On 10/4/2021 at 1:42 PM, HendryTan said:

We deleted a bunch of MEMBERS / GUEST post

- Out of Topic

- Quarreling

- Anti Vax

- Stir Shit Issues

- Politics

 

I deleted several days of posts en-mass and some good posts were caught in between. Leaving those in-place don't make sense as it loss its CONTEXT.

 

In this difficult times for Singapore,  let us keep this topic informative and useful.

We moderators do NOT want it to be used for any PROPAGANDA PURPOSE by shit stirrers and people with other agendas.

 

PS: There is now a bill in parliament concerning FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.  We will do what we feel is right for the readers, the moderators and for for all.
 

Thank you for the timely action.

[yuquidam]

On 10/4/2021 at 2:10 PM, LeanMature said:

 .....

Although vaccination does not provide 100% protection, it can still save lives for those with little or no pre-existing illness.  

Thank you for emphasising this vital point. Those against vaccination chose to ignore this point. 

 

Long term effects of vaccination? No one can tell.  Vaccines are newly developed. 

 

Those of us who want to vaccinate just go ahead after weighing the risks, the pros and cons.

 

Those who distrust the vaccines then don't vaccinate. However, there's no need to convince the whole world or "cry father, cry mother".  But based on statistics I truly wish you luck.

 

Those who are genuinely afraid? Don't be. Millions in Singapore and around the world had vaccinated. So look at the statistics from reliable sources yourself.  And forget those claims by WhatsApp messages or videos who claim they're experts or have this or that qualifications. I can also put up a video claiming all that expertise from Timbuktu. And you believe? 

 

Are there experts on the COVID-19 virus? How about the infectious disease specialists? The virologists? No, none of them are experts on COVID-19. No one can claim they're the experts. This virus is still new to scientists and medical researchers.

 

I truly truly wish everyone well and safe, vaccinated or not vaccinated.

Edited October 5, 2021 by yuquidam

[Guest Guest]

On 10/3/2021 at 2:04 PM, Derren said:

For example, if we were to reach 10,000 in the next 2-3 days, it is quite apparent from the data that the hospital beds + CTF + CCF will not be sufficient. 

 

So, now you know that the data shows that the "hospital beds + CTF + CCF" will not be sufficient. Are you still pro-opening? 

 

On 10/4/2021 at 4:08 PM, yuquidam said:

 

Long term effects of vaccination? No one can tell.  Vaccines are newly developed. 

 

 

No one can tell? The UK report already says that over a third of COVID-19 patients diagnosed with at least one long-COVID symptom. You still cannot tell?

 

It is one thing to go for vaccination because the other alternative would be getting infected and death. But now, just because fewer people are going to die, the government starts opening up the economy and tell everyone to get themselves ready for infection, and all the while ignoring all those long term consequences? 

 

 

 

On 10/3/2021 at 11:01 AM, Guest fuck covid said:

I think the government is doing their best to control the deaths among elderlies. We will need to understand that lockdown is not a permanent solution. If you have elderlies at home, ask them to stay at home or go out early mornings only for morning walks to avoid crowd, maintain personal hygiene, eat home cooked food if you're too hysterical of catching the virus from outside food.Learn to live with the virus and carry on with our usual lives.I don't want my kids to live in the constant fear of virus.

You may not want your children to be fearful of death, but just because of that, do you encourage them to drive recklessly around and potentially suffer from the loss of an arm and a leg in the future? 

 

Similarly, you may not want your kids to live in constant fear of the virus, but just because of that, do you encourage your kids to get themselves infected with COVID like what the government is aiming for, and live in the constant consequences of the long term effects and also potential death?

[Derren]

On 10/4/2021 at 9:26 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

So, now you know that the data shows that the "hospital beds + CTF + CCF" will not be sufficient. Are you still pro-opening? 

 

How does the data show that?  

Edited October 4, 2021 by Derren

[yuquidam]

The UK report talks about the long term effects of covid19 infections or of vaccines?

 

So any experts here know the long term effects of COVID19 VACCINATIONS? 

Edited October 4, 2021 by yuquidam

[Guest Guest]

On 10/4/2021 at 9:38 PM, Derren said:

 

How does the data show that?  

 

How does the data show that? Why don't you tell us how the data show that, since that was what you yourself wrote below. 

 

On 10/3/2021 at 2:04 PM, Derren said:

 

If the figures suggest that the healthcare system will be overwhelmed, I see no reason not to accept that possibility. For example, if we were to reach 10,000 in the next 2-3 days, it is quite apparent from the data that the hospital beds + CTF + CCF will not be sufficient. 

 

 

 

 

On 10/4/2021 at 9:43 PM, yuquidam said:

The UK report talks about the long term effects of covid19 infections or of vaccines?

 

Read please.

 

On 10/3/2021 at 10:20 AM, Guest Guest said:

37% of people had at least one long-COVID symptom diagnosed in the 3-6 month period after COVID-19 infection. 

 

[Guest covid]

So I caught covid, and am now a few days into the home recovery program. I received two doses of the pfizer vax 2 months ago. I would like to share my own experience here. 

 

1) the initial symptoms are not exactly mild. 

- suffered breathlessness, chest pains, cough, body aches, loss of taste/smell, fatigue for 3 days 

- symptoms are definitely worse than a normal flu during the 3 days

- regretted not being more careful (continued eating out and what-not)

- dry cough initially which became wet cough on day 4 

 

2) "endemic" comes at a high personal and financial cost

- affected the ability of other family members to work / mum's employer forced her to resign

- constantly worried if i had passed the virus to my elderly parents and young nieces/nephews

- felt that "endemic" really only benefits businesses

 

3) symptoms do clear up very quickly because of the vax.

- by day 5, most of my symptoms suddenly improved

- smell/taste returned, only left with slight cough

- ART surprisingly is negative on day 5

- feels that this is really only possible because of the vax. really thankful to have gotten the vax  (STOP SPREADING RUMORS ABOUT SIDE EFFECTS OF VAX ETC JUST TAKE THE VAX ALREADY OMG) it really works

 

4) family members remain negative on day 6

- surprised that i did not infect them with the virus since we have dinner together before i found out i was positive

- could be the vax helps reduce viral transmission

 

5) some supplements i took

- fish oils (2 x 4 capsules a day)

- ashwagandha root (2 x 500mg a day)

- multivitamin (1 tab)

- vit c and zinc efferverscence tab (1 tab)

- antihistamines (chloramine) to prevent runny nose

 

LESSON LEARNT

 

VACCINATION WORKS! 

IT PAYS TO CONTINUE SOCIAL DISTANCING AND EAT-IN. 

ENDEMIC STATUS BENEFITS BUSINESSES BUT COMES AT A PERSONAL FINANCIAL COST DUE TO QUARANTINE.