Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/28/2021 at 12:26 PM, singalion said:

 

What do you want to do?

Close everything down, everyone at serious lock-down, not allowed to leave the house at all, close all borders, close the ports?

 

Who will deliver the food to your doorstep?

Who will drive the bus, mrt?

Who will sell the food at the supermarket?

 

What will happen to Singapore if you go into another lockdown?

Everyone bankrupt, companies insolvent. People begging on the street and at the public transport.

Just go to certain shopping malls and you see how many shops closed down. Go to the areas with bars and see what is left. You want more to close down for good with all the consequences for the employees?

 

And guess what the government will need to do to cover all related costs?

Increase tax? Increase GST even more?

Look for more fees to pay everywhere at Government Boards (how about a visitor fee of S$15 per entry? )

 

Instead of whining here and complaining, just understand, the Government must take this approach to help more people to survive and companies not to go bust.

 

It is not different to other countries, England, US, Germany etc all countries went slowly back to "normal" operations but with certain restrictions.

 

For those like yourself who don't work at all, it is easy to cry foul and complain.

 

 

The message is: Get vaccinated. At least the risk to die is only 2% if vaccinated.

For those who can't get vaccinated, the message is: reduce contact to others as much as you can.

For those who refuse to get vaccinated, they know the risk they take.

 

 

 

 

The risk is not 2%, it is 0.2%

[Guest Wtf]

And it is 0.2% of all cases

 

On 10/28/2021 at 4:15 PM, Guest Wtf said:

The risk is not 2%, it is 0.2%

 

[singalion]

On 10/28/2021 at 4:15 PM, Guest Wtf said:

The risk is not 2%, it is 0.2%

 

On 10/28/2021 at 4:17 PM, Guest Wtf said:

And it is 0.2% of all cases

 

 

 

I did not place my 2% into the relation to anything. so the number just stands somewhere... I did not say from the total population or the portion of vaccinated people.

 

How can you then derive at the number being 0.2 %?

 

Putting up numbers here without any backing is doubtful.

 

On 10/28/2021 at 12:26 PM, singalion said:

The message is: Get vaccinated. At least the risk to die is only 2% if vaccinated.

For those who can't get vaccinated, the message is: reduce contact to others as much as you can.

For those who refuse to get vaccinated, they know the risk they take.

 

From the reports the overall risk of death in the vaccinated  group (Pfizer/biontech) is roughly around 0.5% for all age groups. It declines in certain age groups to 0.38% but (surprisingly) increases to 0.85% for the age group below 1-8 years...<Banned Words>.

Moderna has slightly higher percentages for the age group above 85 at 0.68%. the in between age groups 18 to 64 is ranging from 0.31 to 0.54% for both vaccines with Moderna. This report has been taken from the US. And it is not conclusive.

 

 

In a European research it was noted that only about 0.06 to 0.08% can catch a Covid after 2 vaccinations. The numbers refer to the Delta variant. This was not conclusive also, as there is no overall statistical data. The report said that they set a number of 0.1 for  getting infected with Covid (Delta variant) after having received two doses of vaccination.

 

But the numbers point to the fact that the risk of being infected with Covid-19 is lesser than without.

 

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by singalion
banned word lol

[singalion]

On 10/28/2021 at 4:13 PM, Guest Wtf said:

 

i know it is a fact it is not mentioned because I read the words written in the page and it is, literally, not mentioned. Just as it was written in the same style in yesterday’s update, where it was also not mentioned and only the vaccine status of the person who died without pre existing conditions was given. 
 

It is legitimate to ask why they have stopped providing the breakdown but you cannot deduce the vaccine status of those with pre existing conditions who died by the words written on the page because it does not say it anywhere. This is not an interpretation but a fact based on basic reading comprehension.

 

Interpretation can be as good as speculation...

Interpretation has nothing to do with reading comprehension but something to do with creativity, something that you lack as we know from the threads in which you post under your Member nick.

 

In communist countries it was a habit to read things at what they had not mentioned or expressly stated various times, that raised suspicion ...

 

You just don't have that skill, let's be honest here. 😆

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/28/2021 at 5:48 PM, singalion said:

 

 

I did not place my 2% into the relation to anything. so the number just stands somewhere... I did not say from the total population or the portion of vaccinated people.

 

How can you then derive at the number being 0.2 %?

 

Putting up numbers here without any backing is doubtful.

 

 

From the reports the overall risk of death in the vaccinated  group (Pfizer/biontech) is roughly around 0.5% for all age groups. It declines in certain age groups to 0.38% but (surprisingly) increases to 0.85% for the age group <Banned Words> years.

Moderna has slightly higher percentages for the age group above 85 at 0.68%. the in between age groups 18 to 64 is ranging from 0.31 to 0.54% for both vaccines with Moderna. This report has been taken from the US. And it is not conclusive.

 

 

In a European research it was noted that only about 0.06 to 0.08% can catch a Covid after 2 vaccinations. The numbers refer to the Delta variant. This was not conclusive also, as there is no overall statistical data. The report said that they set a number of 0.1 for  getting infected with Covid (Delta variant) after having received two doses of vaccination.

 

But the numbers point to the fact that the risk of being infected with Covid-19 is lesser than without.

 

 

wtf are you talking about? How can you say ‘I did not place my 2% into the relation to anything.’, when in your post which I was responding to you said: ‘The message is: Get vaccinated. At least the risk to die is only 2% if vaccinated.’ 

 

Your written comprehension is as bad as your reading. Please share a source for your 2%, because, as you mention, ‘Putting up numbers here without any backing is doubtful.’

 

The 0.2% I refer to is that rate as published by MOH which was quoted previously in this thread and which refers to the mortality rate from totally cases for the last 28 days.

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/28/2021 at 5:49 PM, singalion said:

 

Interpretation can be as good as speculation...

Interpretation has nothing to do with reading comprehension but something to do with creativity, something that you lack as we know from the threads in which you post under your Member nick.

 

In communist countries it was a habit to read things at what they had not mentioned or expressly stated various times, that raised suspicion ...

 

You just don't have that skill, let's be honest here. 😆

 

Again, you don’t seem to understand words. Interpreting is explaining the meaning of information. If I interpret the sentence from the release, I can only use the information given and not add whatever else information I might like to include.
 

Speculating is to form a theory without firm evidence. That is what you are doing. Which is totally fine but let’s just say it for what it is. I can also speculate that the nine people who died had a peanut allergy and it would be as valid from the facts given as your speculation that they were unvaccinated. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/28/2021 at 5:49 PM, singalion said:

 

Interpretation can be as good as speculation...

Interpretation has nothing to do with reading comprehension but something to do with creativity, something that you lack as we know from the threads in which you post under your Member nick.

 

In communist countries it was a habit to read things at what they had not mentioned or expressly stated various times, that raised suspicion ...

 

You just don't have that skill, let's be honest here. 😆

 

what do you think my member nick is btw? 😂 

[singalion]

On 10/28/2021 at 4:15 PM, Guest Wtf said:

The risk is not 2%, it is 0.2%

 

On 10/28/2021 at 4:17 PM, Guest Wtf said:

And it is 0.2% of all cases

 

 

 

On 10/28/2021 at 6:08 PM, Guest Wtf said:

wtf are you talking about? How can you say ‘I did not place my 2% into the relation to anything.’, when in your post which I was responding to you said: ‘The message is: Get vaccinated. At least the risk to die is only 2% if vaccinated.’ 

 

Your written comprehension is as bad as your reading. Please share a source for your 2%, because, as you mention, ‘Putting up numbers here without any backing is doubtful.’

 

The 0.2% I refer to is that rate as published by MOH which was quoted previously in this thread and which refers to the mortality rate from totally cases for the last 28 days.

 

Your post on the 0.2% as you can see above is not related to anything at all.

 

You just placed a number here but left out to say to what.

 

What you did in your original post was asking readers to make a guess. The same as BW readers had to guess what you were referring to from my post with that 0.2 number.

 

 

 

That might be the number from the past 28 days according to MOH, it does not seem very representative, as there are just numbers from a few days. My number is from the Research reports in Europe and US, the latest was published on 22 Oct 2021 at CDC. The European data has shorter data collection periods, therefore the percentages are slightly higher. One problem is the classification who deceased due to Covid-19 or due to other complications.

 

 

 

 

[singalion]

On 10/28/2021 at 6:13 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Again, you don’t seem to understand words. Interpreting is explaining the meaning of information. If I interpret the sentence from the release, I can only use the information given and not add whatever else information I might like to include.

 

Why do you quarrel about a badly drafted sentence of a newspaper article?

 

There is no doubt that it gave rise to reading between the lines and interpretation of the sentence.

 

Do you think some intellectual such as Nightingale had asked the question as he did in the starting post on this issue if the sentence in that Straits Times article had not been drafted ambiguously and if it had been clear?

 

I don't know why you need to quarrel on this and the least I don't understand why you need to defend this article so vigorously at BW?

 

I still see that this sentence in that article leaves space for interpretation.

 

This has nothing to do with comprehension or understanding words.

 

I would look more obviously into the issue how many Straits Times readers had misinterpreted that part...

 

And so far you never touched the underlying issue: Why does the government not reflect the proportion of vaccinated and not vaccinated persons any longer?

 

 

 

 

 

[singalion]

On 10/28/2021 at 8:33 PM, Nightingale said:

Let’s look again at the phrasing of this sentence.

 "10 people have died of complications linked to Covid-19.  All of them had various underlying medical conditions, except one who was unvaccinated."

 

The elements of comparison are:

with underlying medical conditions vs without medical problems

vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

 

Let’s substitute the key words and the sentence becomes:

"10 job applicants had failed to get the advertised job.  All of them had work attitude problems, except for one who was gay.”

 

The word “except” means all 9 had negative work traits and only 1 had a positive one.  But he’s gay.  What is the underlying message?  What can you infer about the other 9 about sexual orientation?

 

 

With my alleged bad comprehension skills and allegedly bad understanding not forgetting the alleged peanut allergy, I would conclude the 9 others are straight...

 

But that is interpretation...

 

 

[FattChoy]

Bin this into the flaming room

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/28/2021 at 8:00 PM, singalion said:

 

 

 

Your post on the 0.2% as you can see above is not related to anything at all.

 

You just placed a number here but left out to say to what.

 

What you did in your original post was asking readers to make a guess. The same as BW readers had to guess what you were referring to from my post with that 0.2 number.

 

 

 

That might be the number from the past 28 days according to MOH, it does not seem very representative, as there are just numbers from a few days. My number is from the Research reports in Europe and US, the latest was published on 22 Oct 2021 at CDC. The European data has shorter data collection periods, therefore the percentages are slightly higher. One problem is the classification who deceased due to Covid-19 or due to other complications.

 

 

 

 

the fact you can’t even see that I was responding to your post to correct your 2% figure - when I quoted your post in my response -  shows serious problems with your eyesight or intelligence. Life is too short to argue with people more stupid than me, so I will leave this discussion here and you and the ‘intellectual’ nightingale can keep jerking each other off and spreading speculation and misinformation.

 

oh, and I am not 7thheaven. 

[jlone]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/at-least-one-covid-case-of-new-delta-subvariant-recorded-in-singapore-moh-143532134.html

 

OMG, It was imported 

So fast imported new variant !

Edited October 28, 2021 by jlone

[lonelyglobe]

https://mothership.sg/2021/10/singapore-covid-19-resilience-drop/

 

High vaccination rate = more restrictions = less resilent,  worst ranking, "worst of both worlds" and a big slap on WMF. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[singalion]

On 10/29/2021 at 9:29 AM, lonelyglobe said:

https://mothership.sg/2021/10/singapore-covid-19-resilience-drop/

 

High vaccination rate = more restrictions = less resilent,  worst ranking, "worst of both worlds" and a big slap on WMF. 

 

If you look at the ranking items, the lower ranking is a result of much the higher infection rate.

This plus the (lack of) flight connectivity and (restrictive) vaccinated traveller entry permits pulls Singapore down.

 

Interesting to note that Brazil, Pakistan and Bangladesh are scored higher than Singapore... with a vaccination rate of 12% in Pakistan. LOL

 

Conclusion: The government eventually should have implemented a soft lockdown to curb the number of infections, when it started to rise above 2,000 per day. Now they leave it like growing uncontrolled by any measures. I mean just the 2 pax dining out restriction won't curb the infection rate, when 8 or more people live in one HDB and most are back to work in offices and other environments.

And I think access for unvaccinated people to Hawkers, Food Courts and other areas should be restricted further. How can you curb the spread if unvaccinated people can still access these crowded places (and some even dining in in disrespect of the regulations...)

 

Looks like they took a gamble and that is the result.

But in some countries in Europe governments had the same approach and were reluctant to implement more restrictive measures (fearing backlash from the people)...

 

 

 

 

 

Let's go to the Cobacabana instead. At least you have a party down there... 🤣

 

Edited October 29, 2021 by singalion

[jlone]

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/singapore/44-year-old-among-16-covid-deaths-4-248-new-cases-in-singapore/ar-AAQ6tsn?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[Guest Guest]

 

https://str.sg/3TZm

 

Around the time of the reopening of the economy, the youngest patient to die from covid was 50 years old, and that's including those infected during the first wave, when there was no vaccination available for those with or without any underlying medical conditions. And we all think covid deaths is mainly affecting those elderly. 

 

Look what is happening now. With the reopening of the economy, the age of those covid deaths doesn't seem to be restricted to only those elderly, but has dropped to 44 years old, 34 years old and the youngest right now is at 23 years old. 

 

What's the point of telling those aged to refrsin from going out, when the long arm of covid death is reaching further and further into even the younger people's life now.

 

Endemic living, indeed. Stupidity at the max. And it only took a few people to make that decision to open the doors of the people lives to the Grim Reaper. 

 

Well done. 

 

On 10/28/2021 at 8:58 AM, Guest Fuck covid said:

No need to panic looking at these numbers, 98.7% cases are asymptomatic or mild

 

Only time to panic is when you cannot earn money, right? As long as  you 能赚别人钱，no need to panic, right? 别人死是别人事. Right? 

[rowers]

Fluid

[jlone]

On 10/30/2021 at 8:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

https://str.sg/3TZm

 

Around the time of the reopening of the economy, the youngest patient to die from covid was 50 years old, and that's including those infected during the first wave, when there was no vaccination available for those with or without any underlying medical conditions. And we all think covid deaths is mainly affecting those elderly. 

 

Look what is happening now. With the reopening of the economy, the age of those covid deaths doesn't seem to be restricted to only those elderly, but has dropped to 44 years old, 34 years old and the youngest right now is at 23 years old. 

 

What's the point of telling those aged to refrsin from going out, when the long arm of covid death is reaching further and further into even the younger people's life now.

 

Endemic living, indeed. Stupidity at the max. And it only took a few people to make that decision to open the doors of the people lives to the Grim Reaper. 

 

Well done. 

 

 

Only time to panic is when you cannot earn money, right? As long as  you 能赚别人钱，no need to panic, right? 别人死是别人事. Right? 

Not forgetting the pressure put on the healthcare workers !

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/30/2021 at 8:28 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

https://str.sg/3TZm

 

Around the time of the reopening of the economy, the youngest patient to die from covid was 50 years old, and that's including those infected during the first wave, when there was no vaccination available for those with or without any underlying medical conditions. And we all think covid deaths is mainly affecting those elderly. 

 

Look what is happening now. With the reopening of the economy, the age of those covid deaths doesn't seem to be restricted to only those elderly, but has dropped to 44 years old, 34 years old and the youngest right now is at 23 years old. 

 

What's the point of telling those aged to refrsin from going out, when the long arm of covid death is reaching further and further into even the younger people's life now.

 

Endemic living, indeed. Stupidity at the max. And it only took a few people to make that decision to open the doors of the people lives to the Grim Reaper. 

 

Well done. 

 

 

Only time to panic is when you cannot earn money, right? As long as  you 能赚别人钱，no need to panic, right? 别人死是别人事. Right? 

 

why do you keep turning this into a binary choice between economy and lives, as if the people who point out that the huge majority of cases have mild or no symptoms therefore say the lives of those who die don’t matter?

 

what would you do differently? The point is that decisions have to be made considering the overall balance of public health and well-being - COVID is not the only factor and to only focus on COVID like you are creates additional problems elsewhere: lack of attention for other (more critical health conditions), unemployment, mental health, etc.
 

Zero COVID as an option is long gone and countries that have adopted that approach are going to have an issue when they open up to the rest of the world at some point, as they will have to.

 

The facts are that:

 

- Singapore’s death rate is still very low but it will unfortunately probably get higher due to infection being less concentrated on one community like worker dorms as it was before

 

- vaccination makes a clear difference in avoiding death and serious illness. See MOH daily updated chart, which clearly shows that unvaccinated deaths and serious illness significantly outweigh those vaccinated:  Over the past 7 days, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who are critically ill in the ICU are at 0.5 and 4.4 per 100,000 population respectively. Over the same period, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who died are 0.1 and 0.9 per 100,000 population respectively. Among seniors aged 60 and above, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who are critically ill in the ICU are 2.1 and 35.0 respectively. The number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated seniors who died are 0.4 and 8.8 respectively. Chart here https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/update-on-local-covid-19-situation_29_October_2021

 

- that the transition to endemic is not only about the economy but is about balancing different factors relating to public health and finding a way to live with a virus that is not going to have to live with long term

 

Again, rather than keep repeating your binary choice, why not tell us what you would do differently? 

[Guest Wtf]

This bit should have said:

 

- that the transition to endemic is not only about the economy but is about balancing different factors relating to public health and finding a way to live with a virus that we are going to have to live with long term

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/28/2021 at 8:10 PM, singalion said:

 

Why do you quarrel about a badly drafted sentence of a newspaper article?

 

There is no doubt that it gave rise to reading between the lines and interpretation of the sentence.

 

Do you think some intellectual such as Nightingale had asked the question as he did in the starting post on this issue if the sentence in that Straits Times article had not been drafted ambiguously and if it had been clear?

 

I don't know why you need to quarrel on this and the least I don't understand why you need to defend this article so vigorously at BW?

 

I still see that this sentence in that article leaves space for interpretation.

 

This has nothing to do with comprehension or understanding words.

 

I would look more obviously into the issue how many Straits Times readers had misinterpreted that part...

 

And so far you never touched the underlying issue: Why does the government not reflect the proportion of vaccinated and not vaccinated persons any longer?

 

 

 

 

 

On your underlying issue question, MOH does still share a daily updated chart of serious illness and deaths broken down by vaccine status, it is figure 4 here:

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/update-on-local-covid-19-situation_29_October_2021

 

I have no idea why the articles are now written in the new style which is confusing for some people. Maybe they stopped sharing the pure number because people with poor maths skills were misinterpreting the data? 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 10/29/2021 at 7:35 AM, jlone said:

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/at-least-one-covid-case-of-new-delta-subvariant-recorded-in-singapore-moh-143532134.html

 

OMG, It was imported 

So fast imported new variant !

Need another booster jab soon? 🤔😱

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/30/2021 at 11:23 AM, Guest Guest said:

Need another booster jab soon? 🤔😱

did flu never exist in Singapore?
 

The way people are reacting to home recovery, variants and the idea of needing to update vaccines, you would think that this was an entirely new concept that no virus has ever needed before.

[Guest guest]

On 10/30/2021 at 10:37 AM, Guest Wtf said:

On your underlying issue question, MOH does still share a daily updated chart of serious illness and deaths broken down by vaccine status, it is figure 4 here:

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/update-on-local-covid-19-situation_29_October_2021

 

I have no idea why the articles are now written in the new style which is confusing for some people. Maybe they stopped sharing the pure number because people with poor maths skills were misinterpreting the data? 

 

As their usual practise, they always like to confuse people. Not the first time.

[Guest Guest]

On 10/30/2021 at 12:27 PM, Guest Wtf said:

did flu never exist in Singapore?
 

The way people are reacting to home recovery, variants and the idea of needing to update vaccines, you would think that this was an entirely new concept that no virus has ever needed before.

OIC - COVID-19 = normal flu.

 

So u will not go for booster jab anytime soon? Cheers!

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/30/2021 at 12:45 PM, Guest Guest said:

OIC - COVID-19 = normal flu.

 

So u will not go for booster jab anytime soon? Cheers!

How did you manage to come to either of those conclusions from my post? That is some elastic style stretching… 

[singalion]

On 10/30/2021 at 10:37 AM, Guest Wtf said:

On your underlying issue question, MOH does still share a daily updated chart of serious illness and deaths broken down by vaccine status, it is figure 4 here:

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/update-on-local-covid-19-situation_29_October_2021

 

I have no idea why the articles are now written in the new style which is confusing for some people. Maybe they stopped sharing the pure number because people with poor maths skills were misinterpreting the data? 

 

 

Yes, but the MOH pages only present percentage figures of per 100,000 population.

At least what I spotted on their overview.

 

Example from the MOH report:

5.     Over the past 7 days, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who are critically ill in the ICU are at 0.5 and 4.4 per 100,000 population respectively. Over the same period, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who died are 0.1 and 0.9 per 100,000 population respectively. Among seniors aged 60 and above, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who are critically ill in the ICU are 2.1 and 35.0 respectively. The number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated seniors who died are 0.4 and 8.8 respectively.

 

8.     16 more cases, aged between 44 and 90 years, have passed away from complications due to COVID-19 infection. All of them had various underlying medical conditions. The 44 year-old individual had not been vaccinated against COVID-19.

 

 

Under No. 8.

Should we assume the 15 others were vaccinated?

The question is: Why is the number of vaccinated not stated?

We actually can't come to that conclusion. We can only say the one 44y old was unvaccinated.

 

Coming to the same issue as detailed in the earlier posts.

 

 

And who is going to calculate from 16 deceased on day X, group them into different age groups and then make a calculation of 0.5% that died after being vaccinated and 8.8% not vaccinated from the age group of 60 and above and break it down to the actual number of deceased on - let's say 29 Oct 2021???

Nobody will do that and the numbers won't be conclusive also.

 

With the percentages you don't come to the final numbers.

 

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/30/2021 at 1:56 PM, singalion said:

 

Yes, but the MOH pages only present percentage figures of per 100,000 population.

At least what I spotted on their overview.

 

Example from the MOH report:

5.     Over the past 7 days, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who are critically ill in the ICU are at 0.5 and 4.4 per 100,000 population respectively. Over the same period, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who died are 0.1 and 0.9 per 100,000 population respectively. Among seniors aged 60 and above, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who are critically ill in the ICU are 2.1 and 35.0 respectively. The number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated seniors who died are 0.4 and 8.8 respectively.

 

8.     16 more cases, aged between 44 and 90 years, have passed away from complications due to COVID-19 infection. All of them had various underlying medical conditions. The 44 year-old individual had not been vaccinated against COVID-19.

 

 

Under No. 8.

Should we assume the 15 others were vaccinated?

The question is: Why is the number of vaccinated not stated?

We actually can't come to that conclusion. We can only say the one 44y old was unvaccinated.

 

Coming to the same issue as detailed in the earlier posts.

 

 

And who is going to calculate from 16 deceased on day X, group them into different age groups and then make a calculation of 0.5% that died after being vaccinated and 8.8% not vaccinated from the age group of 60 and above and break it down to the actual number of deceased on - let's say 29 Oct 2021???

Nobody will do that and the numbers won't be conclusive also.

 

With the percentages you don't come to the final numbers.

 

 

 

i am not disagreeing with you that it is now more confusing and less clear, and I said quite a few posts back that I did not understand why they had decided to change it and that the new way of writing was creating confusion.

 

My point of sharing this chart was simply to show that it is incorrect to now conclude - as nightingale did - that the fact they don’t share vaccine status in the summary means that all deaths can now be assumed to be vaccinated. It is not correct to make that assumption. 

[jlone]

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMifWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnN0cmFpdHN0aW1lcy5jb20vc2luZ2Fwb3JlL2hlYWx0aC9zaW5nYXBvcmVzLXByaXZhdGUtaG9zcGl0YWxzLW1ha2Utcm9vbS1mb3ItbW9yZS1jb3ZpZC0xOS1wYXRpZW50cy1hcy1jYXNlcy1yaXNl0gEA?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen

[Guest 犯贱冰冰]

now Australia opens up. Time to taste Aussie Gun Lan Pa. Cock feast in unavoidable. I will suck any Aussie man as long as they are still breathing.  They are very lucky.

[Guest Guest]

On 10/29/2021 at 7:35 AM, jlone said:

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/at-least-one-covid-case-of-new-delta-subvariant-recorded-in-singapore-moh-143532134.html

 

OMG, It was imported 

So fast imported new variant !

That’s “Fast”? One case last week? Look again.

outbreak.info/situation-reports?pango=AY.4.2&selected=SGP&loc=USA&loc=USA_US-CA&loc=SGP&overlay=false

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

 

13 deaths. "All of them had various underlying medical conditions, except for two unvaccinated or partially vaccinated individuals who had no known medical conditions." 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/moh-covid-19-new-cases-deaths-oct-31-2281206

 

 

Right now, we are only seeing more people without underlying medical conditions dying from covid 19. 

 

As the endemic living continues, it's just a matter of time that you will see more and more, and also younger and younger fully-vaccinated individuals with no known medical conditions dying from covid19 too. 

 

But hey... As long as the businesses continue to earn their money, who cares? RIght? 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 11/1/2021 at 9:55 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

13 deaths. "All of them had various underlying medical conditions, except for two unvaccinated or partially vaccinated individuals who had no known medical conditions." 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/moh-covid-19-new-cases-deaths-oct-31-2281206

 

 

Right now, we are only seeing more people without underlying medical conditions dying from covid 19. 

 

As the endemic living continues, it's just a matter of time that you will see more and more, and also younger and younger fully-vaccinated individuals with no known medical conditions dying from covid19 too. 

 

But hey... As long as the businesses continue to earn their money, who cares? RIght? 

 

🥱- if you are just going to keep repeating the same point, I might as well just keep copying and pasting the same answer. Here you go:

 

On 10/30/2021 at 10:04 AM, Guest Wtf said:

 

why do you keep turning this into a binary choice between economy and lives, as if the people who point out that the huge majority of cases have mild or no symptoms therefore say the lives of those who die don’t matter?

 

what would you do differently? The point is that decisions have to be made considering the overall balance of public health and well-being - COVID is not the only factor and to only focus on COVID like you are creates additional problems elsewhere: lack of attention for other (more critical health conditions), unemployment, mental health, etc.
 

Zero COVID as an option is long gone and countries that have adopted that approach are going to have an issue when they open up to the rest of the world at some point, as they will have to.

 

The facts are that:

 

- Singapore’s death rate is still very low but it will unfortunately probably get higher due to infection being less concentrated on one community like worker dorms as it was before

 

- vaccination makes a clear difference in avoiding death and serious illness. See MOH daily updated chart, which clearly shows that unvaccinated deaths and serious illness significantly outweigh those vaccinated:  Over the past 7 days, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who are critically ill in the ICU are at 0.5 and 4.4 per 100,000 population respectively. Over the same period, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who died are 0.1 and 0.9 per 100,000 population respectively. Among seniors aged 60 and above, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who are critically ill in the ICU are 2.1 and 35.0 respectively. The number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated seniors who died are 0.4 and 8.8 respectively. Chart here https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/update-on-local-covid-19-situation_29_October_2021

 

- that the transition to endemic is not only about the economy but is about balancing different factors relating to public health and finding a way to live with a virus that is not going to have to live with long term

 

Again, rather than keep repeating your binary choice, why not tell us what you would do differently? 

 

[jlone]

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiVGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lm5wci5vcmcvMjAyMS8xMC8zMC8xMDUwODUwNjY2L3NpbmdhcG9yZS1hYmFuZG9ucy10aGUtemVyby1jb3ZpZC1zdHJhdGVnedIBAA?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen

[Guest Guest]

On 11/1/2021 at 11:43 AM, Guest Wtf said:

🥱- if you are just going to keep repeating the same point, I might as well just keep copying and pasting the same answer. Here you go:

 

 

 

Wasn't the solution already suggested by someone else way before this? Don't you know how to go back and read? 

[Guest Wtf]

On 11/1/2021 at 12:52 PM, jlone said:

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiVGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lm5wci5vcmcvMjAyMS8xMC8zMC8xMDUwODUwNjY2L3NpbmdhcG9yZS1hYmFuZG9ucy10aGUtemVyby1jb3ZpZC1zdHJhdGVnedIBAA?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen

Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

 

the last line, ‘we’re ripping the band aid off slowly’, sums up quite well the problem with the current approach, though - everyone knows ripping it slowly is the most painful and protracted way of removing a band aid! 😂 

[Guest Wtf]

On 11/1/2021 at 3:05 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Wasn't the solution already suggested by someone else way before this? Don't you know how to go back and read? 

Why are you asking me questions when I asked you to provide an answer? 
 

Again, for ease so you don’t have to scroll, the question is: what would YOU do differently? 

 

Looking forward to your insights! 

[singalion]

On 11/1/2021 at 9:55 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

13 deaths. "All of them had various underlying medical conditions, except for two unvaccinated or partially vaccinated individuals who had no known medical conditions." 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/moh-covid-19-new-cases-deaths-oct-31-2281206

 

 

Right now, we are only seeing more people without underlying medical conditions dying from covid 19. 

 

As the endemic living continues, it's just a matter of time that you will see more and more, and also younger and younger fully-vaccinated individuals with no known medical conditions dying from covid19 too. 

 

But hey... As long as the businesses continue to earn their money, who cares? RIght? 

 

 

The big message is:

Get vaccinated!

 

Most seniors who died had not been vaccinated.

 

If you have some medical condition and refuse being vaccinated then you just take a higher risk to your own life.

 

Those younger ones who died, we don't know what medical condition they had. maybe they had an immunisation issue or diabetes or something.

 

Message No 2 is : Get both vaccinations.

 

Being young there is no guarantee you can escape death, while chances to survive are higher but it not a given fact.

 

Just get vaccinated and you reduce your risk of dying from Covid.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 11/1/2021 at 3:21 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Interesting read, thanks for sharing.

 

the last line, ‘we’re ripping the band aid off slowly’, sums up quite well the problem with the current approach, though - everyone knows ripping it slowly is the most painful and protracted way of removing a band aid! 😂 

 

So you think a painful and protracted way of slowly removing a band aid will lead us to glory? Oh, of course you did not know that people can die when the band aid is ripped off in a highly infectious environment especially when the wound is still only healing. 

[Guest Guest]

On 11/1/2021 at 3:23 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Why are you asking me questions when I asked you to provide an answer? 

... 

because the answer has already been provided? 

[lonelyglobe]

https://mothership.sg/2021/11/healthcare-workers-quit-singapore/

 

Ask health minister for help perhaps. If he can open 1000 ICU beds,  definitely he can recruit additional doctors and nurses to hlep. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[Guest Guest]

On 11/1/2021 at 4:52 PM, lonelyglobe said:

https://mothership.sg/2021/11/healthcare-workers-quit-singapore/

 

Ask health minister fof help perhaps. If he can open 1000 ICU beds,  definitely he can recruit additional doctors and nurses to hlep. 

 

@Guest Wtf, here's another suggestion for you: those like you who wants the economy to be opened should be volunteered into those HCW jobs, be it there to go clean up all the shit from the beds, or to wipe the COVID-19 patients' backsides, or to carry those 400 over COVID-dead bodies to the morgue. And then people like you can go help the situation plateau and "stabilize" by bringing the virus home to infect your own family first, and thereby, using your logic, hasten the endemic living which you wanted so very much.

 

Good idea? There! You got your reply and this is the win-win-win situation to those who wants the economy to remain closed, those who wants it opened, and also solve the HCW manpower shortage problem all at once! 

[Guest Wtf]

On 11/1/2021 at 4:09 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

So you think a painful and protracted way of slowly removing a band aid will lead us to glory? Oh, of course you did not know that people can die when the band aid is ripped off in a highly infectious environment especially when the wound is still only healing. 

You need to try and make your ranting a bit more coherent because this jumble of words is meaningless. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 11/1/2021 at 5:07 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

@Guest Wtf, here's another suggestion for you: those like you who wants the economy to be opened should be volunteered into those HCW jobs, be it there to go clean up all the shit from the beds, or to wipe the COVID-19 patients' backsides, or to carry those 400 over COVID-dead bodies to the morgue. And then people like you can go help the situation plateau and "stabilize" by bringing the virus home to infect your own family first, and thereby, using your logic, hasten the endemic living which you wanted so very much.

 

Good idea? There! You got your reply and this is the win-win-win situation to those who wants the economy to remain closed, those who wants it opened, and also solve the HCW manpower shortage problem all at once! 

This pre-covid world where you imagine nobody ever died of anything at all, must have been a really magical place. 

[Guest Wtf]

reality check, covid deaths are unfortunately a fact of life:

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/spore-could-see-2000-covid-19-deaths-yearly-govt-using-vaccines-boosters-to-stem
 

[jlone]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/singapore-ramp-up-icu-capacity-not-enough-people-janil-puthucheary-061622932.html

[Guest Guest]

On 11/1/2021 at 5:47 PM, Guest Wtf said:

reality check, covid deaths are unfortunately a fact of life:

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/spore-could-see-2000-covid-19-deaths-yearly-govt-using-vaccines-boosters-to-stem
 

 

Fact of life? Only because a handful of people forced it upon us that way. Otherwise, it was and never should have been any "fact of life" for Singaporeans. 

[Guest Guest]

On 11/1/2021 at 5:32 PM, Guest Wtf said:

This pre-covid world where you imagine nobody ever died of anything at all, must have been a really magical place. 

 

For a good long time during covid, we didn't have 10s of people dying from it everyday. Was that what you call "magical"? 

[Guest Guest]

On 11/1/2021 at 5:28 PM, Guest Wtf said:

You need to try and make your ranting a bit more coherent because this jumble of words is meaningless. 

 

Looks pretty coherent to me. But of course, anything that doesn't sing to the tune of death and reopening of the economy won't be coherent to you.