Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 1:22 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Yes but no, anyone in their right mind should refrained from unnecessary travel for now and this is what our govt suggest,  u dont want to listen to govt? Where you want to go?  

where does government say refrain from unnecessary travel?! 😂 

 

[Guest Jab jab jab]

On 12/16/2021 at 12:51 PM, sgmaven said:

🤦‍♂️

 

If you don't want to take an mRNA vaccine, then go get one of the Chinese ones that are less effective (Sinovax or Sinopharm), or even the AstraZeneca one... That said, the mRNA vaccines have all gone through Phase 3 trials successfully.

Just want to look at all sides and not be so set on one. That's why a thread exists.

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 3:15 PM, Guest Jab jab jab said:

Just want to look at all sides and not be so set on one. That's why a thread exists.

No one is stopping you looking from as many sides as you want but that doesn’t change that not all arguments are equally factually correct. So go for it and look at all the sides you can think of, from fairy dust to vast global conspiracies (to achieve what?) but then don’t be surprised if people call you out for believing and spreading misinformation and rumours.  

[lonelyglobe]

On 12/16/2021 at 1:44 PM, Guest Wtf said:

where does government say refrain from unnecessary travel?! 😂 

 

Caught u... Do sporean always need the govt to tell us do something then we will do it, willingly or unwillingly. A perfect example,  just because mask not compulsory in gym and people just dont wear. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 3:33 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Caught u... Do sporean always need the govt to tell us do something then we will do it, willingly or unwillingly. A perfect example,  just because mask not compulsory in gym and people just dont wear. 

errrrrr, caught me with what?! 🤦‍♂️ 

 

did you even read what you wrote? Let me help you…

 

you said:
 

On 12/16/2021 at 1:22 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Yes but no, anyone in their right mind should refrained from unnecessary travel for now and this is what our govt suggest,  u dont want to listen to govt? Where you want to go?  

 

I answered:

 

On 12/16/2021 at 1:44 PM, Guest Wtf said:

where does government say refrain from unnecessary travel?! 😂 

 

hope that helps 😂 

[lonelyglobe]

It would be rather foolish if the govt considered only the 7 african countries as high risk,  there again, we probably need to wait till the situation went out of control like the delta variant or for more countries to ban spore travellers  

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 3:55 PM, Nightingale said:

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/government-economy/new-rule-on-covid-19-test-for-returning-singaporeans-prs-not-a-straightforward

 

He added: "This is really a reminder to Singaporeans and PRs that they should avoid unnecessary travel out of Singapore during this period,

sorry to shout but THIS ARTICKE IS FROM MAY! 
 

Srsly…. When do you think VTLs were introduced? 

[Guest Jab jab jab]

On 12/16/2021 at 11:56 AM, Guest Wtf said:

 

But, of course, you are totally free to post whatever you like here and people can make up their own minds. 

Are you boss of BW?

[Guest Jab jab jab]

On 12/16/2021 at 3:20 PM, Guest Wtf said:

No one is stopping you looking from as many sides as you want but that doesn’t change that not all arguments are equally factually correct. So go for it and look at all the sides you can think of, from fairy dust to vast global conspiracies (to achieve what?) but then don’t be surprised if people call you out for believing and spreading misinformation and rumours.  

Can tell you are 200 per cent pro vaxer

 

I'm expecting pro vaxers to call me out just because I think differently 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:13 PM, Nightingale said:

 

 

 

yes, the quote you have shared is from May, just like the article you shared is from May. So he is reminding us from May about what to do in December?

 

what is your actual point? 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:30 PM, Guest Jab jab jab said:

Can tell you are 200 per cent pro vaxer

 

I'm expecting pro vaxers to call me out just because I think differently 

I am pro facts, not pro vaxx.

 

But, yes, please imagine that you are a misunderstood victim. I hate to break it to you but believing lies and misinformation is not the same as ‘thinking differently’, unless you class being gullible and open to manipulation as ‘thinking differently’. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:22 PM, Guest Jab jab jab said:

Are you boss of BW?

nope, and that’s why you are free to post as much nonsense as you like.
 

It’s actually better if you post more, so people can see the big gaps in your logic and reasoning. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:40 PM, Nightingale said:

Ren chun wu yao yi.

thanks once again for your valuable contribution 🤦‍♂️ 

[Guest Guest]

On 12/16/2021 at 2:10 PM, Nightingale said:

Ren chun wu yao yi.

Here comes our beloved nightwhore.

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:40 PM, Nightingale said:

Ren chun wu yao yi.

the fact you post so often in the ‘joke of the day’ thread is highly appropriate 

[Guest Jab Jab Jab]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:43 PM, Guest Wtf said:

I am pro facts, not pro vaxx.

 

But, yes, please imagine that you are a misunderstood victim. I hate to break it to you but believing lies and misinformation is not the same as ‘thinking differently’, unless you class being gullible and open to manipulation as ‘thinking differently’. 

Spoken like a true guardian of the vaccine galaxy. But I don't fancy myself a misunderstood victim. Not even a victim. Just that not everyone will agree on an issue. Although, this covid discussion has proven rather divisive.

 

Who has been concealing information, telling half truths, giving people a false sense of security will be revealed in time to come.

Who has been gullible, easily manipulated and take every word as gospel truth will also realise their folly, hopefully sooner than later.

What is truth, misinformation can easily be switched and with supporting evidence too.

 

On 12/16/2021 at 4:53 PM, Guest Wtf said:

nope, and that’s why you are free to post as much nonsense as you like.
 

It’s actually better if you post more, so people can see the big gaps in your logic and reasoning. 

Yeah there's a gap...between us. We are acting like adversaries.

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 6:01 PM, Guest Jab Jab Jab said:

Spoken like a true guardian of the vaccine galaxy. But I don't fancy myself a misunderstood victim. Not even a victim. Just that not everyone will agree on an issue. Although, this covid discussion has proven rather divisive.

 

Who has been concealing information, telling half truths, giving people a false sense of security will be revealed in time to come.

Who has been gullible, easily manipulated and take every word as gospel truth will also realise their folly, hopefully sooner than later.

What is truth, misinformation can easily be switched and with supporting evidence too.

 

Yeah there's a gap...between us. We are acting like adversaries.

just share all your supporting evidence then, this will help people to understand where you are coming from, especially those of us who trust data and facts more than YouTube videos and WhatsApp groups. 

[singalion]

On 12/16/2021 at 12:42 AM, Guest Polarlingiam said:

The number of deaths in SG and US in 2021 were more than in 2020. In 2020, there were no vaccines, but there were vaccines in 2021. How do we explain this phenomenon? 

 

Because in 2020 was a strict lockdown for plenty of months during the worst season of the pandemic. Due to the lockdown the spread was prevented.

 

Second, the Delta variant is more infectious compared to the original, it spread more easily in the community.

 

Third, due to lack of some oversight, measures to curb the spread of covid were not taken as promptly as maybe required when Delta started spreading to the world.

 

Fourth, during these times when Delta spread the amount of vaccinated people with 2 vaccinations were just around 50% or even below that rate. Therefore, still a huge number of people were not sufficiently vaccinated.

 

 

[Guest Jab Jab Jab]

On 12/16/2021 at 7:09 PM, Guest Wtf said:

just share all your supporting evidence then, this will help people to understand where you are coming from, especially those of us who trust data and facts more than YouTube videos and WhatsApp groups. 

Shared already. Then you countered with your evidence. Back to I say, you said.

Haiz. People will believe what they want.

[singalion]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:17 AM, Guest Jab jab jab said:

Quite right. It comes down to who you'll believe. 

What I read is that both vaccinated and non vaccinated are part of daily death figures

 

But as usual as you always like to ignore facts:

 

The percentage of people who are vaccinated are much lower than the percentage of people who are not vaccinated.

You have to look at the relation of both numbers...

 

you cannot just say because in the news today 15 died of Covid and

8 are vaccinated but 7 are not vaccinated, more vaccinated people die.

 

How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?

To understand how the pandemic is evolving, it’s crucial to know how death rates from COVID-19 are affected by vaccination status.

 

November 23, 2021 - Last updated on December 10, 2021

 

Why we need to compare the rates of death between vaccinated and unvaccinated

During a pandemic, you might see headlines like “Half of those who died from the virus were vaccinated”. 

It would be wrong to draw any conclusions about whether the vaccines are protecting people from the virus based on this headline. The headline is not providing enough information to draw any conclusions.

 

Let’s think through an example to see this.

Imagine we live in a place with a population of 60 people.

 

 

Then we learn that of the 10 who died from the virus, 50% were vaccinated.

 

 

The newspaper may run the headline “Half of those who died from the virus were vaccinated”. But this headline does not tell us anything about whether the vaccine is protecting people or not.

To be able to say anything, we also need to know about those who did not die: how many people in this population were vaccinated? And how many were not vaccinated?

 

 

Now we have all the information we need and can calculate the death rates:

• of 10 unvaccinated people, 5 died → the death rate among the unvaccinated is 50%
• of 50 vaccinated people, 5 died → the death rate among the vaccinated is 10%

We therefore see that the death rate among the vaccinated is 5-times lower than among the unvaccinated.

 

In the example, we invented numbers to make it simple to calculate the death rates. But the same logic applies also in the current COVID-19 pandemic. Comparisons of the absolute numbers, as some headlines do, is making a mistake that’s known in statistics as a ‘base rate fallacy’: it ignores the fact that one group is much larger than the other. It is important to avoid this mistake, especially now, as in more and more countries the number of people who are vaccinated against COVID-19 is much larger than the number of people who are unvaccinated (see our vaccination data). 

 

This example was illustrating how to think about these statistics in a hypothetical case. Below, you can find the real data for the situation in the COVID-19 pandemic now.

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by singalion

[singalion]

 

Fact-check: Are vaccinated people dying at a faster rate than unvaccinated people?

Monique Curet, PolitiFact.com

 

2 Dec 2021

 

Viral Facebook post: COVID-19 death rates in England are higher among vaccinated people than unvaccinated. 

   

PolitiFact's ruling: False

Here's why: Referencing one chart in a 30-page report while omitting important context, bloggers falsely claimed in an article that COVID-19 death rates in England are much higher among vaccinated people than unvaccinated.

The article included the headline, "COVID death rates 4 to 1, vaccinated to unvaxxed." It was shared on Facebook in a post that was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

The claim makes a statistical error. The ratio it cites is based on raw numbers of deaths among vaccinated and unvaccinated people. It does not compare death rates, which would take into account the size of each group.

The claim references a chart in a UK Health Security Agency report that indicates during a three-week period in October and November, England had 3,430 deaths from COVID-19. Of those deaths, 2,822 were people who had at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and 587 were unvaccinated people. The rest were people whose vaccination status was not known.

The article linked in the claim doesn’t include those specific data points, but cites the ratio between them — 4.8 to 1 — as evidence that "The vaccine is deadlier than the virus."

However, "it’s not a valid comparison," said Luke Weeks, senior communications officer for the UK Health Security Agency, which recently replaced the agency known as Public Health England.

"Well over 90% of the adult population is double vaccinated, so the vaccinated cohort is over nine times the size of the unvaccinated cohort," Weeks said, "A very small percentage of a large population is still more people than a higher percentage of a very small one."

The same vaccine surveillance report the blog post cites provides the statistics in this context. During the three-week period, it says, England had 54.9 COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people among those who were vaccinated and 125.4 deaths per 100,000 among those who were unvaccinated.

The vaccines offer more than 90% protection against mortality, the health agency’s report says.

Though the vaccine surveillance report was issued by the UK Health Security Agency, which encompasses all countries in the United Kingdom, the data in the report is only from England, Weeks said.

The claim was published by Mic Drop Politics, which copied the text of its post from another blog called The Expose.

The data about the numbers of deaths among the vaccinated and unvaccinated from the UK Health Security Agency is included in the Expose version, but not in the Mic Drop Politics article, which mentions only the ratio.

We rate the claim, "COVID death rates 4 to 1, vaccinated to unvaxxed," False. 

Sources

• Email interview, Luke Weeks, senior communications officer, UK Health Security Agency, Nov. 26, 2021
• Mic Drop Politics, "COVID Death Rates 4 To 1, Vaccinated to Unvaxxed," Nov. 19, 2021
• Office for National Statistics, "Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights: Vaccines," Nov. 23, 2021
• The Expose, "Covid Deaths Ratio Vaxxed to Unvaxxed 4:1 – Corporate Media Should Be Censored for Spreading Disinformation," Nov. 17, 2021
• UK Health Security Agency, About Us, accessed Nov. 30, 2021
• UK Health Security Agency, "COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report: Week 45," Nov. 11, 2021

 

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 8:00 PM, Guest Jab Jab Jab said:

Shared already. Then you countered with your evidence. Back to I say, you said.

Haiz. People will believe what they want.

what did you share? That one article? That’s your whole thesis?

oh dear…. 
 

Where you are correct is when you say that people can believe what they want - of course they can, but that doesn’t change that there are some things that are factually proven and probable and some things that are not. You can believe in the things that are not it you want to.  
 

You can believe that gravity doesn’t exist or that the earth is flat if you want, there are still people who do despite all evidence to the contrary. And there is as little point discussing gravity or the shape of the earth with them as there is discussing covid or vaccines with you because they are not interested in facts. 

 

. 

[singalion]

On 12/16/2021 at 6:58 AM, Guest Jab Jab Jab said:

I was thinking that the Covid situation is a great excuse to:

 

1) Strip people of their human rights and liberty to life.

2) Divide and conquer. eg Vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

3) Have people live in fear, anxiety and misery so they will give you a blank cheque to do whatever you want to end the current situation.

4) Incinvenience people with all sorts of ridiculous restrictions.

5) People HAVE to live the way you see fit.

6) Impose invasive surveillance technology so that everyone is being watched and tracked. Hello Melville, you'll love this. That is if you are still alive. 

7) Instill fear, paranoia and distrust among people. eg "oh no, I better avoid people as anybody could be infected."

8. Make people do things they don't want to do.

9) Create a need for dictatorships. Eg there's an enemy out there. We need your unequivocal supoort to fight this. We cannot have dissent. We must be one. All or nothing.

10)  Prepare for a New World Order.

 

Isn't that what they call these conspiracy theories and Qanon stuff???

 

The above seems to be taken from an Anti Vaccination Association (Australian Vaccination-risks Network) from Australia from 2019.

It was created against certain mandatory vaccinations in Australia already before the Corona pandemic.

 

Reasoning is nearly the same.

 

Just look at the copy and past error from that No 9

"We need your unequivocal support to fight this"

 

looks like that was copied from somewhere else.

 

To me above is evidence not to take this Guest for serious. He is just plastering BW full of this nonsense stuff.

It seems to me also that this Guest is not a Singaporean and does not stay in Singapore.

(Nothing against other people posting here, but just as an alert that someone is abusing this forum to plaster it with these messages and following a certain agenda).

 

I mean I could already talk about Human Rights and Singapore... ha ha

 

 

 

 

[singalion]

On 12/16/2021 at 7:21 AM, Guest Guest said:

Similarly, the government was really stupid to think that getting the population vaccinated is a good excuse to re-open the economy, when in fact this is a completely reckless act. 

 

Which means the government should have taken a position to let more businesses go bankrupt.

 

What had been more reckless?

 

did you move around Singapore?

Have you seen upper floors of certain (even heartland) malls with covered up posters where businesses closed down.

Have you read about certain chains reducing their outlets.

 

Do you know what that means?

 

Even with the government "re-opening" the business still suffer as there are restrictions.

 

It is always easy to comment when sitting comfortably at the sofa in your HDB and not being in charge of something...

 

 

[Guest Jab jab jab]

On 12/16/2021 at 8:18 PM, Guest Wtf said:

what did you share? That one article? That’s your whole thesis?

oh dear…. 
 

Where you are correct is when you say that people can believe what they want - of course they can, but that doesn’t change that there are some things that are factually proven and probable and some things that are not. You can believe in the things that are not it you want to.  
 

You can believe that gravity doesn’t exist or that the earth is flat if you want, there are still people who do despite all evidence to the contrary. And there is as little point discussing gravity or the shape of the earth with them as there is discussing covid or vaccines with you because they are not interested in facts. 

 

. 

Don't see any point in us trying to convince one another

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/16/2021 at 8:44 PM, Guest Jab jab jab said:

Don't see any point in us trying to convince one another

Correct. You won’t convince me because you have literally zero facts or evidence (otherwise you would share it), and i won’t convince you because you are too deep down the antivaxx 🐰🕳 to even recognise what’s true or not anymore.
 

So better you stop posting and replying to me. 

[sgmaven]

Some people do not know how to read statistics, so that if 2 fully-vaccinated people die of COVID, and 1 unvaccinated person dies; they will say that it is useless to get vaccinated. In reality, there are so many more fully-vaccinated people (at 90+% of the eligible population) than the unvaccinated. Hence, the rate of death (or probability of death), is far smaller if you are vaccinated than if you are unvaccinated. Some people just don't understand math...

[lonelyglobe]

https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/swimming-spore-out-of-world-cships-after-4-swimmers-test-positive-for-covid-19

[sgmaven]

On 12/16/2021 at 9:29 PM, lonelyglobe said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/swimming-spore-out-of-world-cships-after-4-swimmers-test-positive-for-covid-19

Quite revealing, that the sportsmen we send abroad to compete in a global meet can also test positive...

[lonelyglobe]

On 12/15/2021 at 11:31 PM, lonelyglobe said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/changi-airport-staff-couple-who-dined-at-4-restaurants-in-orchard-and-scotts-road

 

Very rich,  2 day 4 restaurants, for the rich ones here,  check if you happen to be there that day. 

 

A 3 day quarantine would have easily catch him and stop community spread. How did the luggage man even kena? Not the best time to go airport for shopping or makan.  

 

So total omicron is 16 + 3, must help MOH to monitor. 

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/singapore/story20211217-1223833

 

Jump to 24 liao, 21 + 3. 

Edited December 16, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[Guest guest]

think at least 4 now they shld report omicron numbers until more stabilize den stop reprtng ma

[singalion]

 

 

SINGAPORE - Three more people tested preliminarily positive for the Omicron Covid-19 variant, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) on Wednesday (Dec 15).

 

All three cases are fully vaccinated and have mild or no symptoms. They are recovering in isolation wards at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases.

 

One is a 36-year-old man who travelled to Singapore via the vaccinated travel lane from the United States.

His pre-departure test in the US on Dec 6 and his on-arrival polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test on Dec 8 were both negative.

 

However, he tested positive for Covid-19 for his supervised antigen rapid test (ART) on Dec 10. His PCR test result also came back positive on Dec 11.

His wife is the second case. The 34-year-old was placed on quarantine on Tuesday (Dec 14) as she had been identified as a close contact of her husband, and tested positive for Covid-19 on the same day. The couple had dined at four restaurants over two days - Mizuki at Ngee Ann City, Li Bai Cantonese Restaurant at Sheraton Towers Singapore, and Merci Marcel at Palais Renaissance on Dec 8, and Signs A Taste Of Vietnam Pho at Orchard Gateway on Dec 9.

 

 

 

How were they able to move out of their house until the result of the arrival PCR Test?

Are they some VIPs?

 

As per the regulation you need to self isolate until you have the result from the arrival PCR Test?

 

What went wrong here?

 

 

 

[singalion]

On 12/17/2021 at 7:35 AM, Guest Wtf said:

 

It’s badly written but I would assume they are referring to a second PCR test that was done after the positive ART test. The article does clearly state that their arrival tests were negative, so they were within the rules to be out and about on December 8:

 

‘One is a 36-year-old man who travelled to Singapore via the vaccinated travel lane from the United States.

His pre-departure test in the US on Dec 6 and his on-arrival polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test on Dec 8 were both negative.’

 

 

 

If it is badly written, they should have clarified the positive PCR was the 2nd test after arrival following to the positve ART test?

 

Ok. But then the infection must have been caught at the airport in US or on the flight from another passenger or worse at the airport in Changi on arrival??? You got 48 hours for the test prior to the return and one test on arrival. 

 

[=> they should re-implement the day 3 PCR test]

 

Actually, I expected SQ to leave space in between of passengers for Economy, during my own VTL in October when I walked to the Economy I was shocked that people were squeezed as normal.

At least I thought they would leave a seat in between empty. If you look at the YTL flights since October you pay a premium for the VTL which comes to around 1.5k to 3k on top (economy) and around 4k on top for business.

 

And all these efforts for safe distancing doesn't work, because people bump together on boarding, outside before boarding etc. They could handle that differently.

 

According to SQ the air is filtered and (what they say) chance to get infect through aerosols during the flight are low.

 

Looks like Omicron is already all over in the US.

 

 

[singalion]

On 12/17/2021 at 7:52 AM, Guest Jab Jab Jab said:

Omniron is spread by VTL travellers. What other proof do you need?

You are cute.

 

Where is your substantiation that Omicron is spread by VTL travelers???

 

Unfortunately, you never posted any proof that Omicron is spread by VTL travelers.

 

Please substantiate with facts.

 

Don't post untruths.

 

[singalion]

On 12/17/2021 at 4:58 AM, sgmaven said:

I hope that more people kick up a fuss about this issue. If VTL travellers can roam around Singapore without waiting for confirmation of their on-arrival COVID tests, then we are open to much more risk in Singapore!

 

Sorry, as WTF pointed out, the arrival PCR Test was negative.

The Straits article was drafted in a confusing manner as they left out that the positive PCR was not the arrival PCR but the day 3 or 4 PCR following the day 3 ART test.

That traveller from US in the Straits times report who visited with his wife 4 restaurants in 2 days (damn he must have missed the local food,...😆)  was only detected on the day 3 ART test, after which I assume they made a PCR to reconfirm the positive.

 

This means, that probably the government should extend the self isolation to 3 days after arrival for VTL. Just to reduce any potential spread to the community.

 

[Guest Jab Jab Jab]

On 12/17/2021 at 11:07 AM, singalion said:

 

Sorry, as WTF pointed out, the arrival PCR Test was negative.

The Straits article was drafted in a confusing manner as they left out that the positive PCR was not the arrival PCR but the day 3 or 4 PCR following the day 3 ART test.

That traveller from US in the Straits times report who visited with his wife 4 restaurants in 2 days (damn he must have missed the local food,...😆)  was only detected on the day 3 ART test, after which I assume they made a PCR to reconfirm the positive.

 

This means, that probably the government should extend the self isolation to 3 days after arrival for VTL. Just to reduce any potential spread to the community.

 

So cute of you to believe that omicron is not already in community

[singalion]

On 12/16/2021 at 1:22 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Yes but no, anyone in their right mind should refrained from unnecessary travel for now and this is what our govt suggest,  u dont want to listen to govt? Where you want to go?  

 

Some foreigners here haven't seen their parents, kids, grandparents, wife etc for 2 years...

 

Why did they start the VTL in the first place?

for these reasons.

 

One of our staff is from Malaysia and both parents in quite bad shape due to age. Motivation at work is low if the staff always thinks that parents will die before she can meet them. Father was at hospital just some months ago. It is stress on her.

 

We have another staff who has been paying a room in Singapore for near to 1 year, went back to Malaysia just before March 2020 and never had a chance to come back to Singapore. She is also still in Malaysia.

Others in such situation might have been sacked from the company.

But we still employ her and doing WFH with her. Not every company would do that. It is also extra work for us to scan every detail, send over etc etc.

 

One MD in our office building has been stuck in Thailand for the past 19 months and cannot return to Singapore. Just with VTL he has chance to return. Do you think all these scenario so easy for these families?

Just think this MD Employment pass expired during his absence and what then with his wife and children stuck here?

I have already met stupid local landlords who thought people on Social Visit Pass are illegal to stay in a condo flat and went to the police...

Don't think all this is easy as it looks.

 

These are just some examples I m sure there are more and even worse ones.

 

Don't think so simple.

 

[lonelyglobe]

English too good also got problem,  cannot read and understand simple one, better have half-past-six english for better understanding. 

 

I dont see how SG can avoid a omicron tsunami, out on a fri afternoon,  shopping centre was so crowded,  the train was fully packed at 3pm, eating places full even after lunch hour, where got economic no good? Everywhere so crowded, just need a few omicron carriers,  thats it. 

Edited December 17, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[lonelyglobe]

https://mothership.sg/2021/12/man-wear-thong-mask/

 

Tot this was funny, though not in SG but u never known when it is going to happen here.

[sgmaven]

On 12/17/2021 at 5:24 PM, lonelyglobe said:

https://mothership.sg/2021/12/man-wear-thong-mask/

 

Tot this was funny, though not in SG but u never known when it is going to happen here.

Trust the Floridians! Anyway, I don't really think it is funny. He could be carrying Omicron, and hence, be spreading the virus throughout the flight. These anti-maskers in the States are loonies!

[singalion]

On 12/17/2021 at 5:29 PM, sgmaven said:

Trust the Floridians! Anyway, I don't really think it is funny. He could be carrying Omicron, and hence, be spreading the virus throughout the flight. These anti-maskers in the States are loonies!

 

It is their liberty to die from Covid!

Unfortunately, they may take other people with them to death. That is the selfish thing.

 

 

[Guest check]

so which site can we chk no of omicron cases in sg?

[sgmaven]

On 12/17/2021 at 7:27 PM, Guest check said:

so which site can we chk no of omicron cases in sg?

I don't think that there is any website available. MOH only does genomic studies on a small sample of cases, so we don't really know what the real numbers are. Meanwhile, channel news asia and straits times usually follow up on the numbers, but these are fed by MOH.

[sgmaven]

It is interesting that everyone seems to link the Omicron variant with South Africa, since that is where it was first detected and reported (24 Nov). It so happens that South Africa has the most advanced labs for genomic surveillance of the corona virus in Sub-Saharan Africa, and does a lot of work on identifying mutations.

 

We now know that there were cases testing positive for Omicron from Botswana on 11 Nov, and 14 Nov in South Africa. So, the variant might not have developed in South Africa, but in a neighbouring country.

 

Source: US CDC

[lonelyglobe]

On 12/17/2021 at 7:27 PM, Guest check said:

so which site can we chk no of omicron cases in sg?

MOH will release through media so it all depends......if we can have 4 swimmers out of 14 tested positive (be it delta or omicron) and if they have not gone for the competition, probably they wont even know since they are asymptomatic.

[sgmaven]

Four Singapore Sailing Federation officials test positive for COVID-19 at Cambodia meet - Channel News Asia

[sgmaven]

On 12/17/2021 at 10:40 PM, lonelyglobe said:

if we can have 4 swimmers out of 14 tested positive (be it delta or omicron) and if they have not gone for the competition, probably they wont even know since they are asymptomatic.

"The Straits Times understands that three of the swimmers are asymptomatic, while one has a cough, fever and loss of smell and taste but does not require medical attention." Not all were asymptomatic. Just like in the case of the sailing team in Cambodia. One has a fever.

[Guest Skoda]

On 12/17/2021 at 1:32 PM, singalion said:

 

Where is your substantiation that Omicron is spread by VTL travelers???

 

Unfortunately, you never posted any proof that Omicron is spread by VTL travelers.

 

Please substantiate with facts.

 

Don't post untruths.

 

Assuming you are correct that VTL travellers didn’t spread omicron, does it mean omicron also originated from Singapore besides South Africa?

[sgmaven]

On 12/17/2021 at 11:22 PM, Guest Skoda said:

Assuming you are correct that VTL travellers didn’t spread omicron, does it mean omicron also originated from Singapore besides South Africa?

Don't forget that there are many other people who travel into Singapore, who could have carried Omicron here. I am not pointing fingers, but we know that the staff at Changi Airport were the first local cases, but that does not mean they got it from VTL travellers. It could have been SCs/SPRs coming back from overseas, or it could have been brought in by flight crews from various aircraft.

 

I remember that the Delta wave in Sydney has introduced through a pilot on a cargo flight. The pilot stayed over in Sydney, and passed it on to the limo driver transferring them to their hotel. The said pilot left the very next day, but the driver who was then carrying the virus, was out and about in the community, causing an avalanche in cases.

 

Unless we are 100% sure about the information, let's not jump into conclusions and blame any particular group or groups of people.

[jlone]

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/omicron-more-likely-to-reinfect-than-delta-no-milder-study/ar-AARV95M?ocid=msedgntp