Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[begleitung]

On 12/22/2021 at 1:17 PM, Guest guest said:

I think not many countries listen to what WHO said lah. I remember WHO said no need so fast take booster but many countries also go ahead of taking booster and even more booster.

It was an American scientist not affiliated with who.  
 

 

anyway i agree, who is a toothless organisation, driven by politics etc.  

[begleitung]

On 12/22/2021 at 4:28 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Israel is always the trend setter ha... They are the first to start vaccination, first to get booster jab, first to jab the children and first to get the 4th jab,  SG see nothing wrong then follow.

Then they should make ns compulsory for women too, like israel, lol….

 

i wonder what is the vaccination rate in Palestine. 

[sgmaven]

On 12/22/2021 at 9:49 AM, Guest Guest said:

No way we will escape from this omicron. But from what i see, this is the usual practice from govt, waiting for cases to become too high and health sector cannot cope, then they will start to do something about it. We have already seen it during the delta virus back then. Right now, we would just continue to open up big big and go out pa pa zao as per normal, no need to worry.

Of course we will not escape! Just wait for the cases to skyrocket. Then again, they are now relying on people to do ART tests by themselves. Firstly, there isn't any real training on how to do an ART test, so what makes you sure that what you get for your results are accurate? Secondly, except for those who are mandated to do ART and PCR tests, due to their vocation/work, how many actually do ART tests on their own volition and pay for their own test kits? Thirdly, since you are only asked to recover at home if you test positive (until an ART negative), how would you know if you got infected with Omicron?

[sgmaven]

On 12/22/2021 at 10:31 AM, Guest Guest Guest said:

Only solution to prevent omicron was 21 days mandatory quarantine for travellers and another circuit breaker for around 1 month, but it's too late now.

They didn't even do a 21 day quarantine when Delta was causing havoc locally, what makes you think they will do it for Omicron?

[sgmaven]

On 12/22/2021 at 12:59 PM, begleitung said:

I think they said it is more transmissible too. An expert on tv said, 1% of 1 million infected people is still a big number. The health system would collapse etc.

The increase in transmission is already a forgone conclusion. We already know how much more transmissible Delta was compared to the original wild strain, and Omicron is more transmissible than Delta...

[lonelyglobe]

On 12/23/2021 at 4:58 AM, sgmaven said:

Of course we will not escape! Just wait for the cases to skyrocket. Then again, they are now relying on people to do ART tests by themselves. Firstly, there isn't any real training on how to do an ART test, so what makes you sure that what you get for your results are accurate? Secondly, except for those who are mandated to do ART and PCR tests, due to their vocation/work, how many actually do ART tests on their own volition and pay for their own test kits? Thirdly, since you are only asked to recover at home if you test positive (until an ART negative), how would you know if you got infected with Omicron?

Precisely, are there any measures to ensure they do it daily? How they know if people just do once and use it for subsequent submission? 

 

They like to stress 98% are asymptomatic, true but that also mean 98% may not even know they are infected if they dont do the ART test. It seems their main concern is as long as u dont come hospital, that is ok, no problem.

 

Actual covid cases including omicron are definitely more than what have been reported to justify the cancellation of VTL, not to mention they have just extended the land VTL to all residents on 20 dec,  2 days before pressing the pause button show a serious lack of planning. 

Edited December 23, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[lonelyglobe]

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/singapore/story20211223-1225949

 

65起确诊感染奥密克戎变种毒株的冠病输入病例中，有53人是通过疫苗接种者旅游通道（VTL）抵境，当中超过九成是返新的新加坡公民、永久居民和长期居民。

 

65 omicron cases, 53 via very transmissible lane, 90% returning sporean, PR and long term stay. 

Edited December 23, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[Healing Therapy]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-12-23/omicron-upends-singapore-s-travel-strategy-as-returning-residents-face-chaos

[HendryTan]

Please keep to topic, out of topic posts Deleted.
 

[lonelyglobe]

On 12/21/2021 at 12:42 AM, lonelyglobe said:

Omicron cases todate:

 

65 imported

6 local

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/82-new-omicron-cases-in-spore-spike-due-to-change-in-covid-19-testing-practice-moh

 

Local: 6 + 17

Imported: 65 + 65

 

Change in the classification and with the festive season, we should be prepare for a huge surge in omicron. 

[Guest guest]

On 12/25/2021 at 9:03 AM, lonelyglobe said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/82-new-omicron-cases-in-spore-spike-due-to-change-in-covid-19-testing-practice-moh

 

Local: 6 + 17

Imported: 65 + 65

 

Change in the classification and with the festive season, we should be prepare for a huge surge in omicron. 

Omg, omicron cases are increasing sharply. People still don't care and bother and continue gathering and go to crowded places now.

[Guest Guest]

I feel very very happy today, so I want to spread the Christmas cheer. 

 

You know why I so happy today? Because everything that I said will happen, really did happen. And all of that happened even though people have thrown sarcastic remarks at me all along the way, tried to keep me quiet and silencing me, and even tried to block me everywhere. 

 

You know what I said that will happen, and it really happened?

 

I said the Covid virus will continue to mutate and become a bigger concern regardless if it is more deadly or not, and it did; I said the VTL will bring more of the virus into the country, and it did; I said the reopening of the economy is a mistake cos it will only allow an even bigger spread of the virus, and it did. 

 

And yet, people scold me and told me to go hide in the bunkers. And yet, Mods tried to make things difficult by deleting away Guest posts and even write into the program to auto censor Guest postings. 

 

But still, after all these, every single writings on the walls that I pointed out came true. Hahahaha. 

 

So I feel very happy today. Today is Christmas. And everything that I said will happen, really happened.

 

Merry Christmas, everyone. I think I will sleep good tonight. Zzzzzzz

[lonelyglobe]

Agreed economy need to open up slowly like 2 to 3 countries per month and not over 20 countries in 2 months, that just only show the level of greediness.

 

When omicron surface, a 3 to 5 day quarantine need to impose,  those need to go back for families will still go back but it can prevent those traveling for a pure shopping or makan  trip. 

 

Community screw also losen as compare to during the CB period and as usual like the KTV drama, after gym reported omicron cluster,  then they realised the gym did not follow procedure and need to close 10 days. 

[jlone]

On 12/25/2021 at 1:22 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Agreed economy need to open up slowly like 2 to 3 countries per month and not over 20 countries in 2 months, that just only show the level of greediness.

 

When omicron surface, a 3 to 5 day quarantine need to impose,  those need to go back for families will still go back but it can prevent those traveling for a pure shopping or makan  trip. 

 

Community screw also losen as compare to during the CB period and as usual like the KTV drama, after gym reported omicron cluster,  then they realised the gym did not follow procedure and need to close 10 days. 

If smart people can think and take action like ordinary thinking people, we will not end up in such trouble !

[lonelyglobe]

On 12/25/2021 at 2:51 PM, jlone said:

If smart people can think and take action like ordinary thinking people, we will not end up in such trouble !

Deep trouble indeed...

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/new-omicron-cluster-detected-all-10-cases-linked-to-bar-in-river-valley

 

Between 14 dec and 18 dec,  how many places would he have gone, how many came into contact and this is only 1 case.

 

The figures always seem to be not tally with what we know from the press as it jump really fast. Latest figure is 448: 369 imported + 79 community. This is only 2 weeks since we reported our first omicron here on 9 Dec.  No wonder VTL have to stop.

 

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[Kimochi]

Hoseh liao ~ exponential spread. 

[mate69]

Doomed 

[Guest 王粒红]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/03/health/covid-test-negative-contagious-wellness/index.html

 

Don't get a false sense of security with Covid-19 testing. Here's why you can test negative but still be infected and contagious

 

(CNN)If you think a negative test result means you don't have coronavirus, you could be wrong.

 

It can take days before a new infection shows up on a Covid-19 test.

"We know that the incubation period for Covid-19 is up to 14 days. And before that, you can be testing negative, and have no symptoms," emergency medicine physician Dr. Leana Wen told CNN. "But you could actually be harboring the virus and be able to transmit it to others."......

 

 

--->>>this means a person who is tested negative before he boards a plane or after he arrives at the destination CAN STILL be contagious and spread the disease.  Letting them travel around the country can mean spreading the virus around. 

 

To be safe, they should stay in the hotel until the incubation period is over. 

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/25/2021 at 12:56 PM, Guest Guest said:

I feel very very happy today, so I want to spread the Christmas cheer. 

 

You know why I so happy today? Because everything that I said will happen, really did happen. And all of that happened even though people have thrown sarcastic remarks at me all along the way, tried to keep me quiet and silencing me, and even tried to block me everywhere. 

 

You know what I said that will happen, and it really happened?

 

I said the Covid virus will continue to mutate and become a bigger concern regardless if it is more deadly or not, and it did; I said the VTL will bring more of the virus into the country, and it did; I said the reopening of the economy is a mistake cos it will only allow an even bigger spread of the virus, and it did. 

 

And yet, people scold me and told me to go hide in the bunkers. And yet, Mods tried to make things difficult by deleting away Guest posts and even write into the program to auto censor Guest postings. 

 

But still, after all these, every single writings on the walls that I pointed out came true. Hahahaha. 

 

So I feel very happy today. Today is Christmas. And everything that I said will happen, really happened.

 

Merry Christmas, everyone. I think I will sleep good tonight. Zzzzzzz

 

hahahahah - you still don’t get it!
 

you are even more terrified of omicron than you were of delta despite the fact that it currently looks as though omicron results in milder infections, and that vaccines are still effective in reducing severe illness and death for omicron cases. And yet you still think the whole of Singapore should be locked down, travel stopped and everyone should be forced to stay in their bunkers until this pandemic is over sometime in 2025 or after.

 

but please don’t let any facts of how dangerous Covid actually is get in the way of your happiness. At some point, you will realize that countries that followed an endemic approach will emerge stronger from the pandemic.

Hopefully Singapore will stop the half past six approach it is adopting now to please people like you and instead follow the available evidence and follow a full endemic approach in 2022.

 

Merry Christmas! 
 

PS. Cry me a river that your posts were deleted but it’s not because anyone was trying to make your life difficult, it is because you were celebrating deaths of people, wishing death on other posters, and then somehow endlessly talking about karma - which you do not understand the concept of. 

[Steve5380]

On 12/24/2021 at 10:56 PM, Guest Guest said:

I feel very very happy today, so I want to spread the Christmas cheer. 

 

You know why I so happy today? Because everything that I said will happen, really did happen. And all of that happened even though people have thrown sarcastic remarks at me all along the way, tried to keep me quiet and silencing me, and even tried to block me everywhere. 

 

You know what I said that will happen, and it really happened?

 

I said the Covid virus will continue to mutate and become a bigger concern regardless if it is more deadly or not, and it did; I said the VTL will bring more of the virus into the country, and it did; I said the reopening of the economy is a mistake cos it will only allow an even bigger spread of the virus, and it did. 

 

And yet, people scold me and told me to go hide in the bunkers. And yet, Mods tried to make things difficult by deleting away Guest posts and even write into the program to auto censor Guest postings. 

 

But still, after all these, every single writings on the walls that I pointed out came true. Hahahaha. 

 

So I feel very happy today. Today is Christmas. And everything that I said will happen, really happened.

 

Merry Christmas, everyone. I think I will sleep good tonight. Zzzzzzz

 

You should not let the censure of people, their rejection of your ideas,  make you cynical and malevolent. 

 

You should feel very happy, sleep good Zzzzzzz, etc.  if the things you forecasted and became true are good and positive. Then, everyone else will celebrate with you.

 

But how can you feel very happy if some doomsday scenarios you forecasted became true?  It makes you happy that the virus continues to mutate and becomes a bigger concern, that more virus comes into your country?  How can you sleep so good because it became true what you predicted that more people now suffer from the virus and die?

[Guest Fuck covid]

Unfortunately there are many idiots like the Guest Guest  in SG who get happy whenever covid cases are on the rise and government imposes border restrictions or community restrictions. I really can't understand how can they become happy when people are in misery.

[Guest Guest]

On 12/26/2021 at 4:57 PM, Guest Fuck covid said:

Unfortunately there are many idiots like the Guest Guest  in SG who get happy whenever covid cases are on the rise and government imposes border restrictions or community restrictions. I really can't understand how can they become happy when people are in misery.

I think Guest is happy not because people are in misery, but rather he is happy because what he said beforehand turned out to be true despite many people here thought otherwise (or tried to prove / argue / debate that Guest is wrong).

 

Maybe a self victory for Guest himself … he arm chio liao … 

[sgmaven]

On 12/26/2021 at 10:03 AM, Guest Wtf said:

but please don’t let any facts of how dangerous Covid actually is get in the way of your happiness. At some point, you will realize that countries that followed an endemic approach will emerge stronger from the pandemic.

Hopefully Singapore will stop the half past six approach it is adopting now to please people like you and instead follow the available evidence and follow a full endemic approach in 2022.

The endemic approach relies on effective vaccines and people observing whatever social distancing protocols are in place. It also hopes that no new variant that is more deadly and transmissible emerges. That is a big hope.The endemic approach means that there will be more variants, since the virus will fester in the community. The question is whether the variants that emerge are more deadly.

 

I am not proposing everybody locks themselves at home, but a lot of the current behaviour (not wearing masks properly and not social distancing) is not good for the control of the pandemic.

 

For example, travelling overseas. I can understand people visiting family that they have not visited/met for more than 2 years. But going away for holidays to countries where COVID cases are on the rise is irresponsible.

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/26/2021 at 5:42 PM, sgmaven said:

The endemic approach relies on effective vaccines and people observing whatever social distancing protocols are in place. It also hopes that no new variant that is more deadly and transmissible emerges. That is a big hope.The endemic approach means that there will be more variants, since the virus will fester in the community. The question is whether the variants that emerge are more deadly.

 

I am not proposing everybody locks themselves at home, but a lot of the current behaviour (not wearing masks properly and not social distancing) is not good for the control of the pandemic.

 

For example, travelling overseas. I can understand people visiting family that they have not visited/met for more than 2 years. But going away for holidays to countries where COVID cases are on the rise is irresponsible.

I see your point and believe people should be mindful and manage their risk.

 

My point, though, is that what people who argue against endemic often don’t seem to realise is that covid is not going away, so there is really no alternative: you have to accept a certain level of spread in the community for society to function. Masks and everything can help to reduce exposure but at some point we will have to stop wearing masks and socially distancing: what happens then? At some point, we have to realise that we will all be infected by covid, just like we have all had the flu at one point or other. 
 

Of course, you have to manage the number of cases so the health symptom is not overwhelmed by the small percentage of infected people who require care in hospital. The question of how many cases a country can handle is based on what the public will accept and what the healthcare system can handle. Unfortunately, there are still people like guest guest who can only accept zero cases and don’t understand that that ship has sailed a long time ago. 
 

Vaccination is critical to ensuring that people who are infected are better protected against severe illness and death. And variants will happen, just like with seasonal flu: again, these won’t be able to be avoided and are inevitable now that zero covid is not possible. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/25/2021 at 12:56 PM, Guest Guest said:

I feel very very happy today, so I want to spread the Christmas cheer. 

 

You know why I so happy today? Because everything that I said will happen, really did happen. And all of that happened even though people have thrown sarcastic remarks at me all along the way, tried to keep me quiet and silencing me, and even tried to block me everywhere. 

 

You know what I said that will happen, and it really happened?

 

I said the Covid virus will continue to mutate and become a bigger concern regardless if it is more deadly or not, and it did; I said the VTL will bring more of the virus into the country, and it did; I said the reopening of the economy is a mistake cos it will only allow an even bigger spread of the virus, and it did. 

 

And yet, people scold me and told me to go hide in the bunkers. And yet, Mods tried to make things difficult by deleting away Guest posts and even write into the program to auto censor Guest postings. 

 

But still, after all these, every single writings on the walls that I pointed out came true. Hahahaha. 

 

So I feel very happy today. Today is Christmas. And everything that I said will happen, really happened.

 

Merry Christmas, everyone. I think I will sleep good tonight. Zzzzzzz

hate to disturb your sleep and celebration but omicron will soon be treated like all the other variants 
 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/home-recovery-from-omicron-variant-replacing-quarantine-with-self-testing-to-be-introduced-in-time-moh?utm_campaign=stfb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3w5sCjeOQsJq7LYthfUeevh1VYEZ_50x0myHTZ9KcWSk2oaydvbkpT-ZQ

[sgmaven]

On 12/26/2021 at 6:49 PM, Guest Wtf said:

I see your point and believe people should be mindful and manage their risk.

And different people have different risk tolerance, I guess.

 

On 12/26/2021 at 6:49 PM, Guest Wtf said:

My point, though, is that what people who argue against endemic often don’t seem to realise is that covid is not going away, so there is really no alternative: you have to accept a certain level of spread in the community for society to function. Masks and everything can help to reduce exposure but at some point we will have to stop wearing masks and socially distancing: what happens then? At some point, we have to realise that we will all be infected by covid, just like we have all had the flu at one point or other.

COVID is not going away, due to the bad policy management by governments all over the world.

 

On 12/26/2021 at 6:49 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Vaccination is critical to ensuring that people who are infected are better protected against severe illness and death. And variants will happen, just like with seasonal flu: again, these won’t be able to be avoided and are inevitable now that zero covid is not possible. 

You are just hoping/expecting that no mutation occurs with significant vaccine escape that also happens to be very deadly. Again, I think this is a pure gamble. What will happen then? Another lockdown?

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/26/2021 at 7:36 PM, sgmaven said:

And different people have different risk tolerance, I guess.

 

COVID is not going away, due to the bad policy management by governments all over the world.

 

You are just hoping/expecting that no mutation occurs with significant vaccine escape that also happens to be very deadly. Again, I think this is a pure gamble. What will happen then? Another lockdown?

yes, different people have different risk tolerance but society cannot move at the speed of the most afraid or the speed of the most fearless, so there has to be a middle ground found which people can then manage within. 
 

there was a window of time when zero covid could have been achieved but it was a very short one at the beginning of the pandemic. With hindsight, it definitely would have been the better call to have had a global lockdown for a short period of time, compared to having a two year pandemic. But there still would have been no guarantees of eradicating covid - even in a lockdown, there are still people circulating, essential services that need to run, etc. 

 

If a mutation occurs that is more deadly and more infectious and vaccine resistant, then I am all for increased control measures and you would likely need some lockdown at least for those most at risk. But the risk profile of the current mutations doesn’t warrant this.
 

And you cannot remove all risk from life, so there will always be gambles. Decisions have to be made with the available information and anticipation of different scenarios but there will always be some gambling or risk management required, which means you cannot decide everything based on the worst possible scenario.

[Guest Guest]

On 12/26/2021 at 10:03 AM, Guest Wtf said:

 

hahahahah - you still don’t get it!
 

you are even more terrified of omicron than you were of delta despite the fact that it currently looks as though omicron results in milder infections, and that vaccines are still effective in reducing severe illness and death for omicron cases. And yet you still think the whole of Singapore should be locked down, travel stopped and everyone should be forced to stay in their bunkers until this pandemic is over sometime in 2025 or after.

 

but please don’t let any facts of how dangerous Covid actually is get in the way of your happiness. At some point, you will realize that countries that followed an endemic approach will emerge stronger from the pandemic.

Hopefully Singapore will stop the half past six approach it is adopting now to please people like you and instead follow the available evidence and follow a full endemic approach in 2022.

 

Merry Christmas! 
 

PS. Cry me a river that your posts were deleted but it’s not because anyone was trying to make your life difficult, it is because you were celebrating deaths of people, wishing death on other posters, and then somehow endlessly talking about karma - which you do not understand the concept of. 

 

People say they sleeping good, and you say people crying some rivers? I think you are the one who don't get it lor.

 

And of course everyone should be celebrating deaths and wishing deaths on others who are the cause of deaths of other good people. You think you are winning good karma, by wishing good long lives for those who are pushing for the reopening of the economy, just so that these people can earn their money on other people's deaths? Do you also wish for Adolf Hitler to be silently living his life happily somewhere, so that you can maybe give him a medal for sending people to the gas chambers? That's good karma for you? 

 

Yup, you just don't get it, do you? 

 

 

On 12/26/2021 at 7:11 PM, Guest Wtf said:

hate to disturb your sleep and celebration but omicron will soon be treated like all the other variants 
 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/home-recovery-from-omicron-variant-replacing-quarantine-with-self-testing-to-be-introduced-in-time-moh?utm_campaign=stfb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3w5sCjeOQsJq7LYthfUeevh1VYEZ_50x0myHTZ9KcWSk2oaydvbkpT-ZQ

 

Sure. Some people never learn, but it's ok. But so interesting to see eveything going back to what it was, just because of the complaints of some angmohs. Well, but it doesn't matter if the economy remains open or not, does it? What matters is the alert has already been sounded like what was said below:

 

"I said the Covid virus will continue to mutate and become a bigger concern regardless if it is more deadly or not, and it did; I said the VTL will bring more of the virus into the country, and it did; I said the reopening of the economy is a mistake cos it will only allow an even bigger spread of the virus, and it did. "

 

What others want to do or not upon hearing the alarm bells, want to listen or notupon hearing the alerts, is not his business anymore. He has done his part and sounded the alarm, and earned his good karma in that way. 

 

What about you? Whatever money you earned now, will be returned with interest accrued when the Grim Reaper comes a-knocking. The longer you take to pay, the larger the interest gets accrued. 

 

On 12/26/2021 at 6:49 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Vaccination is critical to ensuring that people who are infected are better protected against severe illness and death. And variants will happen, just like with seasonal flu: again, these won’t be able to be avoided and are inevitable now that zero covid is not possible. 

 

 

One last note: the latest reports says Omicron is 5x more transmissible than Delta, and no lesser in causing sever symptoms than Delta. That means we can also expect the deaths rates to be 5x more than before, and that's provided that the medical infrastructure can still keep up with that 5x more transmissibility. Omicron breaks through 2-dose vaccination, while the effectiveness of the 3rd "booster" shot remains to be seen, with Israel getting worried enough to have their own people go for a 4th shot. 

But of course, you wouldn't care if COVID deaths in Singapore numbers 500 or 2500, would you? It's just a tiny price for other people to to pay so that you can earn your money, right? Not in your own backyard mentality, right? 

 

So there! I've also done my part to earn good karma by pointing this writing out on the wall as well. Will also be sleeping well on Boxing Day tonight. Goodnight! Zzzz_zzzzzzzzzz

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:10 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

People say they sleeping good, and you say people crying some rivers? I think you are the one who don't get it lor.

 

And of course everyone should be celebrating deaths and wishing deaths on others who are the cause of deaths of other good people. You think you are winning good karma, by wishing good long lives for those who are pushing for the reopening of the economy, just so that these people can earn their money on other people's deaths? Do you also wish for Adolf Hitler to be silently living his life happily somewhere, so that you can maybe give him a medal for sending people to the gas chambers? That's good karma for you? 

 

Yup, you just don't get it, do you? 

 

 

 

Sure. Some people never learn, but it's ok. But so interesting to see eveything going back to what it was, just because of the complaints of some angmohs. Well, but it doesn't matter if the economy remains open or not, does it? What matters is the alert has already been sounded like what was said below:

 

"I said the Covid virus will continue to mutate and become a bigger concern regardless if it is more deadly or not, and it did; I said the VTL will bring more of the virus into the country, and it did; I said the reopening of the economy is a mistake cos it will only allow an even bigger spread of the virus, and it did. "

 

What others want to do or not upon hearing the alarm bells, want to listen or notupon hearing the alerts, is not his business anymore. He has done his part and sounded the alarm, and earned his good karma in that way. 

 

What about you? Whatever money you earned now, will be returned with interest accrued when the Grim Reaper comes a-knocking. The longer you take to pay, the larger the interest gets accrued. 

 

 

 

One last note: the latest reports says Omicron is 5x more transmissible than Delta, and no lesser in causing sever symptoms than Delta. That means we can also expect the deaths rates to be 5x more than before, and that's provided that the medical infrastructure can still keep up with that 5x more transmissibility. Omicron breaks through 2-dose vaccination, while the effectiveness of the 3rd "booster" shot remains to be seen, with Israel getting worried enough to have their own people go for a 4th shot. 

 

But of course, you wouldn't care if COVID deaths in Singapore numbers 500 or 2500, would you? It's just a tiny price for other people to to pay so that you can earn your money, right? Not in your own backyard mentality, right? 

 

So there! I've also done my part to earn good karma by pointing this writing out on the wall as well. Will also be sleeping well on Boxing Day tonight. Goodnight! Zzzz_zzzzzzzzzz

wow, you managed to include an Adolf Hitler reference, more wishing death on people AND referring to yourself in the third person… you are totally incoherent.
 

Good luck to you for 2022, I hope you don’t lose too many more marbles. 

[sgmaven]

On 12/26/2021 at 7:50 PM, Guest Wtf said:

there was a window of time when zero covid could have been achieved but it was a very short one at the beginning of the pandemic. With hindsight, it definitely would have been the better call to have had a global lockdown for a short period of time, compared to having a two year pandemic. But there still would have been no guarantees of eradicating covid - even in a lockdown, there are still people circulating, essential services that need to run, etc.

Well, the world squandered that opportunity...

 

On 12/26/2021 at 7:50 PM, Guest Wtf said:

If a mutation occurs that is more deadly and more infectious and vaccine resistant, then I am all for increased control measures and you would likely need some lockdown at least for those most at risk. But the risk profile of the current mutations doesn’t warrant this.

How do you know that the current mutations don't warrant this? We haven't really seen the real impact of Omicron yet. I am not sure if you want to take the "South African Experience" as what will happen, since they have a disproportionately young population with a lot of pre-exposure to the previous strains of SARS-CoV2.

 

On 12/26/2021 at 7:50 PM, Guest Wtf said:

And you cannot remove all risk from life, so there will always be gambles. Decisions have to be made with the available information and anticipation of different scenarios but there will always be some gambling or risk management required, which means you cannot decide everything based on the worst possible scenario.

You cannot remove all risks from life, but you can make efforts to mitigate those risks. Gambling is quite another thing...

[jlone]

On 12/26/2021 at 5:42 PM, sgmaven said:

For example, travelling overseas. I can understand people visiting family that they have not visited/met for more than 2 years. But going away for holidays to countries where COVID cases are on the rise is irresponsible.

As the situation is not getting any better, to travel abroad is taking great risk ! 

Flights may be cancelled anytime as this just happened during Christmas with passengers stranded at airports.

So think twice if anyone do miss travelling to oversea for leisure or still thinking of travelling !

 

Edited December 26, 2021 by jlone

[sgmaven]

On 12/26/2021 at 9:32 PM, jlone said:

As the situation is not getting any better, to travel abroad is taking great risk ! 

Flights may be cancelled anytime as this just happened during Christmas with passengers stranded at airports.

So think twice if anyone do miss travelling to oversea for leisure or still thinking of travelling !

Well, some people don't think about these things when they "miss" travelling... And will kick up a big fuss if flights get cancelled.

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/26/2021 at 9:21 PM, sgmaven said:

Well, the world squandered that opportunity...

 

How do you know that the current mutations don't warrant this? We haven't really seen the real impact of Omicron yet. I am not sure if you want to take the "South African Experience" as what will happen, since they have a disproportionately young population with a lot of pre-exposure to the previous strains of SARS-CoV2.

 

You cannot remove all risks from life, but you can make efforts to mitigate those risks. Gambling is quite another thing...

Yes, the world missed that opportunity but, as I said, there is no guarantee that it would have worked, so it would still have been a gamble. And we are now nearly two years in, so I am not sure how helpful it is to keep going back to that point? 

 

For the current mutation to warrant it, you would need to be already seeing much higher omicron death rates in countries with omicron cases (eg the UK, most of Europe, Africa and the US) than you are. 

[sgmaven]

On 12/26/2021 at 10:06 PM, Guest Wtf said:

For the current mutation to warrant it, you would need to be already seeing much higher omicron death rates in countries with omicron cases (eg the UK, most of Europe, Africa and the US) than you are. 

You do know that deaths from COVID are a trailing statistic, don't you?

[Healing Therapy]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/it-could-be-a-long-road-to-recovery-even-after-patients-get-all-clear-from-covid-19

 

Afterall,  covid is not your common flu that simple as some have this misconceptions. 

[lonelyglobe]

On 12/25/2021 at 8:58 PM, lonelyglobe said:

The figures always seem to be not tally with what we know from the press as it jump really fast. Latest figure is 448: 369 imported + 79 community. This is only 2 weeks since we reported our first omicron here on 9 Dec.  No wonder VTL have to stop.

 

 

"As at Dec 25, MOH has detected 546 confirmed Omicron cases, comprising 443 imported cases and 103 local cases."

 

1 day can jump 100 case, no wonder need to quarantine at home. 

[mate69]

Yes, have to self-isolate at home, if not, the health system will surely be overwhelmed

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/26/2021 at 10:30 PM, sgmaven said:

You do know that deaths from COVID are a trailing statistic, don't you?

Yep. But countries where omicron has already been more widely circulating have taken that into account and are now publishing data that suggest that hospitalization and death rates from omicron infections are lower. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/27/2021 at 8:59 AM, Guest Wtf said:

Yep. But countries where omicron has already been more widely circulating have taken that into account and are now publishing data that suggest that hospitalization and death rates from omicron infections are lower. 

 

You mean reports like these? 

 

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-26/jump-in-child-covid-hospitalizations-in-new-york-sparks-concerns-in-california-amid-omicron

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article256855937.html

 

And the best summary so far from https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/23/omicron-causing-60-amsterdam-covid-cases-omt-studying-hospitalization-rate :

"that does not mean that the new variant will lead to fewer hospitalizations because Omicron is more contagious and spreads very fast. "The bad news you have to face is that with high numbers of infections, you will still end up with a lot of hospitalizations.""

 

I am surprised mods can allow for such misleading posts to be listed here, just to lure people further into complacency so that people can continue to earn their money as businessman.

 

The second Omicron cluster has already been detected at a BAR:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-omicron-variant-cluster-singapore-vinyl-bar-river-valley-moh-2401166 

"The Health Ministry also announced that a cluster of 10 Omicron COVID-19 cases linked to a bar on River Valley Road has been detected. The primary case in the cluster, Case 280860, is a traveller who arrived in Singapore on Dec 14 from the United States via a vaccinated travel lane (VTL) flight. His on-arrival test was negative for COVID-19, and he tested positive for COVID-19 on Dec 18, MOH said."

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/26/2021 at 7:50 PM, Guest Wtf said:

And you cannot remove all risk from life, so there will always be gambles.

 

So, as long as your own life is not at stake, it is always OK to gamble away other people's lives? 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/27/2021 at 12:47 PM, Guest Wtf said:

 

You mean reports like these? 

 

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-26/jump-in-child-covid-hospitalizations-in-new-york-sparks-concerns-in-california-amid-omicron

 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article256855937.html

 

And the best summary so far from https://nltimes.nl/2021/12/23/omicron-causing-60-amsterdam-covid-cases-omt-studying-hospitalization-rate :

"that does not mean that the new variant will lead to fewer hospitalizations because Omicron is more contagious and spreads very fast. "The bad news you have to face is that with high numbers of infections, you will still end up with a lot of hospitalizations.""

 

I am surprised mods can allow for such misleading posts to be listed here, just to lure people further into complacency so that people can continue to earn their money as businessman.

 

The second Omicron cluster has already been detected at a BAR:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-omicron-variant-cluster-singapore-vinyl-bar-river-valley-moh-2401166 

"The Health Ministry also announced that a cluster of 10 Omicron COVID-19 cases linked to a bar on River Valley Road has been detected. The primary case in the cluster, Case 280860, is a traveller who arrived in Singapore on Dec 14 from the United States via a vaccinated travel lane (VTL) flight. His on-arrival test was negative for COVID-19, and he tested positive for COVID-19 on Dec 18, MOH said."

 

 

On 12/27/2021 at 12:55 PM, Guest Wtf said:

 

So, as long as your own life is not at stake, it is always OK to gamble away other people's lives? 

 

wow, guest guest doesn’t even have a grip on who they are anymore and is now posting as me 😂 🤦‍♂️ 
 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:10 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

People say they sleeping good, and you say people crying some rivers? I think you are the one who don't get it lor.

 

And of course everyone should be celebrating deaths and wishing deaths on others who are the cause of deaths of other good people. You think you are winning good karma, by wishing good long lives for those who are pushing for the reopening of the economy, just so that these people can earn their money on other people's deaths? Do you also wish for Adolf Hitler to be silently living his life happily somewhere, so that you can maybe give him a medal for sending people to the gas chambers? That's good karma for you? 

 

Yup, you just don't get it, do you? 

 

 

 

Sure. Some people never learn, but it's ok. But so interesting to see eveything going back to what it was, just because of the complaints of some angmohs. Well, but it doesn't matter if the economy remains open or not, does it? What matters is the alert has already been sounded like what was said below:

 

"I said the Covid virus will continue to mutate and become a bigger concern regardless if it is more deadly or not, and it did; I said the VTL will bring more of the virus into the country, and it did; I said the reopening of the economy is a mistake cos it will only allow an even bigger spread of the virus, and it did. "

 

What others want to do or not upon hearing the alarm bells, want to listen or notupon hearing the alerts, is not his business anymore. He has done his part and sounded the alarm, and earned his good karma in that way. 

 

What about you? Whatever money you earned now, will be returned with interest accrued when the Grim Reaper comes a-knocking. The longer you take to pay, the larger the interest gets accrued. 

 

 

 

One last note: the latest reports says Omicron is 5x more transmissible than Delta, and no lesser in causing sever symptoms than Delta. That means we can also expect the deaths rates to be 5x more than before, and that's provided that the medical infrastructure can still keep up with that 5x more transmissibility. Omicron breaks through 2-dose vaccination, while the effectiveness of the 3rd "booster" shot remains to be seen, with Israel getting worried enough to have their own people go for a 4th shot. 

 

But of course, you wouldn't care if COVID deaths in Singapore numbers 500 or 2500, would you? It's just a tiny price for other people to to pay so that you can earn your money, right? Not in your own backyard mentality, right? 

 

So there! I've also done my part to earn good karma by pointing this writing out on the wall as well. Will also be sleeping well on Boxing Day tonight. Goodnight! Zzzz_zzzzzzzzzz

a Christmas quiz for you…

 

in your opinion:

 

- how many covid cases are acceptable per day in Singapore?

 

 - how many covid deaths are acceptable per year in Singapore?

 

- how many suicides caused by covid restrictions are acceptable per year in Singapore?

 

 - how many businesses going bust due to covid restrictions are acceptable per year in Singapore?

 

 - how many flu deaths per year were you comfortable with pre-covid? 
 

bonus question: for border closures and lockdowns, how long do you keep these in place?

 

if you start to think properly and logically about these questions, rather than knee-jerk panicking, you will see that choices have to be made; for example, you can’t answer ‘zero’ to all of the first three questions. You might not be comfortable or able to make these decisions but that doesn’t mean that other people don’t have to. 

[sgmaven]

I think that we all agree that it is easy to say this and that, as long as you and your loved ones are not involved in the statistic.

 

Any COVID death that involves someone you love is not acceptable.

 

The question is what is the difference in exposure by different people? If you have to take public transport and live in a densely-packed estate, surely your exposure is much higher than someone who drives himself (and only himself) to work, living in a bungalow.

[Guest Surprise?]

Today Omicron in Singapore is at a whopping 438 cases within week after Africa's 1st case. Of which 87% cases are imported into Singapore. 

[lonelyglobe]

On 12/27/2021 at 6:05 PM, Guest Surprise? said:

Today Omicron in Singapore is at a whopping 438 cases within week after Africa's 1st case. Of which 87% cases are imported into Singapore. 

90% of the imported came in quarantine free and start to infect the community but no problem,  they are still very confident though i dont know where the confidence came from.

 

Up to 50% of a company workforce can go back office from 1 Jan and door open up for african countries once again.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/travellers-from-10-african-countries-can-now-enter-transit-through-singapore

 

 

[sgmaven]

On 12/27/2021 at 6:37 PM, lonelyglobe said:

90% of the imported came in quarantine free and start to infect the community but no problem,  they are still very confident though i dont know where the confidence came from.

 

Up to 50% of a company workforce can go back office from 1 Jan and door open up for african countries once again.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/travellers-from-10-african-countries-can-now-enter-transit-through-singapore

 

 

Endemic... They are not gonna bother, unless the hospitals cannot cope...

[Guest Wtf]

On 12/27/2021 at 5:45 PM, sgmaven said:

I think that we all agree that it is easy to say this and that, as long as you and your loved ones are not involved in the statistic.

 

Any COVID death that involves someone you love is not acceptable.

 

The question is what is the difference in exposure by different people? If you have to take public transport and live in a densely-packed estate, surely your exposure is much higher than someone who drives himself (and only himself) to work, living in a bungalow.

so zero is your acceptable number of covid deaths? Because all Covid deaths are death of a loved one for someone. 
 

So this means the deaths from increased suicide rate due to Covid restrictions don’t matter? Remember, you can’t have zero for everything… 

[7heaven]

On 12/27/2021 at 9:43 PM, Guest Wtf said:

so zero is your acceptable number of covid deaths? Because all Covid deaths are death of a loved one for someone. 
 

So this means the deaths from increased suicide rate due to Covid restrictions don’t matter? Remember, you can’t have zero for everything… 

Has there been data to suggest suicide rate due to Covid restrictions has increased? 

[Guest guest]

On 12/27/2021 at 6:37 PM, lonelyglobe said:

90% of the imported came in quarantine free and start to infect the community but no problem,  they are still very confident though i dont know where the confidence came from.

 

Up to 50% of a company workforce can go back office from 1 Jan and door open up for african countries once again.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/travellers-from-10-african-countries-can-now-enter-transit-through-singapore

 

 

When delta variant starts to spread in many countries back then, they also still very confidence and said no problem. Omicron is just a repeat of delta episode. 

[sgmaven]

On 12/27/2021 at 9:43 PM, Guest Wtf said:

so zero is your acceptable number of covid deaths? Because all Covid deaths are death of a loved one for someone. 
 

So this means the deaths from increased suicide rate due to Covid restrictions don’t matter? Remember, you can’t have zero for everything… 

I am not sure where you got your suicide statistics from, although there was talk of mental health issues due to lockdowns. Anyway, I never said that we have to go through another hard lockdown, but proper ring-fencing and contact tracing need to be done. For as long as people are told to recover at home, there is always the probability for others in the household to be infected and pass it on to others before being detected as positive for COVID. This is the primary issue that is of concern.