Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest guest]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/unvaccinated-woman-92-first-omicron-related-death-in-singapore

[Guest guest]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-reports-3155-new-covid-19-cases-weekly-infection-growth-rate-rises-to-270

[singalion]

On 1/22/2022 at 4:46 PM, Guest guest said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/unvaccinated-woman-92-first-omicron-related-death-in-singapore

 

Tell your elderly and grandparents to get vaccinated. 

 

Tell them also: Avoid social contacts or leaving house if any medical conditions. 

 

As long as any Covid variant around too risky for unvaccinated and all who got "underlying medical conditions". 

 

=>

SINGAPORE - A 92-year-old unvaccinated woman has died from complications related to the Omicron Covid-19 variant - the first Omicron-related death in Singapore.

 

 

In a statement on Saturday (Jan 22), the Ministry of Health (MOH) said the woman had no known medical history and caught the virus from a family member.

She died about 10 days later on Thursday, MOH added.

 

 

Since March 2020 (already nearly two years) we know Covid is a death sentence to most elderly!...

If you can get vaccinated then please do. 

 

Edited January 22, 2022 by singalion

[lonelyglobe]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/509-covid-19-patients-in-hospital-35-need-oxygen-support-and-10-in-icu

 

5996 cases, record breaking. When u dont see the figure in the headline,  normally is quite chia lat.

Edited January 25, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[Guest guest]

On 1/26/2022 at 12:10 AM, lonelyglobe said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/509-covid-19-patients-in-hospital-35-need-oxygen-support-and-10-in-icu

 

5996 cases, record breaking. When u dont see the figure in the headline,  normally is quite chia lat.

if there is no lockdown soon, it's gonna be very hard to control

[Guest fuck covid]

On 1/26/2022 at 8:51 AM, Guest guest said:

if there is no lockdown soon, it's gonna be very hard to control

calm down, 99.7% infections are mild/asymptomatic

[singalion]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:22 AM, Guest fuck covid said:

calm down, 99.7% infections are mild/asymptomatic

 

But there will be deaths by those refusing to get vaccinated. Most vulnerable those above 60y and all having certain medical conditions ( heart, diabetes etc). 

 

Get vaccinated asap. 

 

I feel empathy for those people cannot get vaccinated due to imunocompromised reasons. Hopefully their employers allow them to work from home. 

 

The Omicron wave is going through the whole world now. 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Some  elderly die after vaccinated due to complication with their high dose of medicine that they are taking.That s why some refuse to go for vaccinated.

[jlone]

Anything that is over the limit is not good for the body, even sex.

[jlone]

Do have more concern n compassion for all the healthcare workers, esp those taking care of the covid patients. Life is hard for them.

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:59 AM, Guest Guest said:

Some  elderly die after vaccinated due to complication with their high dose of medicine that they are taking.That s why some refuse to go for vaccinated.

fake news. Or do you have a single scrap of evidence for this claim? 

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:22 AM, Guest fuck covid said:

calm down, 99.7% infections are mild/asymptomatic

EXACTLY. Plus, it has been announced for weeks to expect case numbers to increase - people calling for lockdown are somehow not keeping up with how the pandemic has evolved - things have changed and case number doesn’t matter anymore. The numbers to watch are hospitalisation, deaths and ICU rates. 

[Guest Guest]

It's almost hilarious to see how people starts redefining and shrinking their definition of a "victory", each time COVID-19 takes a step forward in winning against us. I'm just waiting for people to come tell us that we are victorious against COVID-19 because people are not dropping dead on the streets and the entire population has not been wiped out clean yet. Hahahaha. 

[Guest Guest]

On 1/26/2022 at 10:19 AM, jlone said:

Do have more concern n compassion for all the healthcare workers, esp those taking care of the covid patients. Life is hard for them.

 

All the more the reason why people who wants the economy re-opened should be forced to volunteer their services into the healthcare sector for the rest of the pandemic. 

[singalion]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:59 AM, Guest Guest said:

Some  elderly die after vaccinated due to complication with their high dose of medicine that they are taking.That s why some refuse to go for vaccinated.

 

Assuming you are having cause and causation wrong.

So far I did not see any adverse research blaming the death for elderly with medical conditions on their medication.

It is more the general weakness of the immune system due to the medical condition that results in the death.

 

It is known from the start that covid affects lungs, kidneys and other inner organs, even the brain.

 

Here a medical analysis:

 

 

• Published: 27 August 2021

Pre-existing health conditions and severe COVID-19 outcomes: an umbrella review approach and meta-analysis of global evidence

Conclusion

Risk of undesirable COVID-19 health outcomes is consistently increased in certain patient subgroups across geographical regions, showing high variability in others. The results can be used to inform COVID-19 vaccine prioritisation or other intervention strategies.

 

 

Liver and metabolic diseases

In liver and metabolic diseases (Fig. 1, the upper panel), the evidence was available for the following pre-existing conditions: chronic kidney disease, chronic liver disease (including cirrhosis and hepatitis), diabetes and dyslipidemia or hyperlipidemia.

Respiratory diseases

Regarding lung diseases (Fig. 1, the lower panel), the highest number of estimates was available for the (unspecified) diagnosis group of respiratory diseases (24 estimates), followed by COPD (21 estimates). For COPD, all but two risk estimates (for ICU admission and in-hospital mortality in WPR) were either below 2.0 or not significant.

 

Overweight, obesity or underweight

For overweight/obesity/underweight (Fig. 2, the lower panel), most estimates (34 out of 52) came from North America. Patients with severe obesity (BMI ≥ 40 kg/m²) had a particularly high risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes, including a more than threefold increased risk of ICU admission and death.

Circulatory diseases

For nine circulatory and heart diseases, most of 119 estimates came from North America and Europe (53 and 38 respectively; the upper panel of Fig. 2). In particular, heart failure was associated with an increased risk of hospitalisation in EUR and death in EUR and WPR.

 

Immunodeficiency related conditions

For conditions related to immunodeficiency, data from four regions were available (Fig. 3, the upper panel). Two- to sixfold increased risk was estimated for hospitalisation and death in organ transplant recipients in the studies from EUR and AMR North.

Neurological diseases or mental health disorders

In the group of neurological diseases/conditions related to mental health (Fig. 3, the middle panel), patients with dementia had a markedly increased risk of hospitalisation and death in North America.

Oncological diseases

Data for patients with oncological diseases were available only from three regions (Fig. 3, the lower panel). Active cancer was associated with increased hospital mortality due to COVID-19 in studies from Europe and North America.

 

Implication of evidence for policy

This review provides a global overview of currently available evidence across disease groups and geographic regions. Thereby, our work can support decision-makers worldwide in the process of identifying those who are at particularly high risk of hospitalisation, admission to intensive care unit and death related to COVID-19. This might be important for prioritising certain patient groups for vaccination against COVID-19, given the global vaccine supply shortage.

Conclusions

In this review, a number of pre-existing conditions were associated with hospitalisation, ICU admission and death in hospitalised with COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2-positive individuals when controlled for age. The strength of associations varied supposedly due to differences in definitions of pre-existing conditions and methodological approaches. The results may serve as an efficient starting point for policy-makers to prioritise patient groups for protection via vaccination and other health interventions against COVID-19.

 

If you want to learn what Covid-19 attacks, here is a good overview

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82862-5

 

Reader discretion is advised for this article.

 

 

Conclusion:

=> High risk group should receive vaccinations at first priority.

=> Such people concerned with any high risk group should go for vaccination (and not to come up with bizarre reasons for not getting vaccinated).

 

Covid 19 is a death sentence for most people and elderly with underlying medical conditions.

Vaccination reduces the risk of death.

 

Please do not spread falsehoods.

 

 

 

[singalion]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:22 AM, Guest fuck covid said:

calm down, 99.7% infections are mild/asymptomatic

 

On 1/26/2022 at 11:25 AM, Guest Wtf said:

EXACTLY. Plus, it has been announced for weeks to expect case numbers to increase - people calling for lockdown are somehow not keeping up with how the pandemic has evolved - things have changed and case number doesn’t matter anymore. The numbers to watch are hospitalisation, deaths and ICU rates. 

 

Let's not get complacent!

 

Most doctors and medical institutions still advice to keep safe distancing measures and mask wearing in place even with Omicron.

 

Also there is a danger for Omicron to mutate to something more severe in the long run. The more it spreads the more chances that it will.

 

 

People are taking such news (mild infections) too lightly. When you travel with the public transport the recent days, people are chatting as if there is no Omicron, masks are off at restaurants even when not eating or drinking, people strolling leisurely at parks, canals without mask.

Go to the clubbing spots, you will see groups of 20 - 30 pax all with mask down outside the bars and places hanging around chit chatting. People not keeping proper distance at queues etc.

People are behaving as if the measures are all taken back. 

The danger is for those with medical conditions and unvaccinated.

You go home and infect your mother, grandmother, uncle etc, that's it.

 

Be more responsible!

Stay at home as much as you can.

Wear the mask all times.

 

The virus empire strikes back!

 

 

Also I think the Government should distribute another round of ART tests for all residents.

The more test, the earlier they know on their infection, the less people they infect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by singalion

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/26/2022 at 11:45 AM, Guest Guest said:

It's almost hilarious to see how people starts redefining and shrinking their definition of a "victory", each time COVID-19 takes a step forward in winning against us. I'm just waiting for people to come tell us that we are victorious against COVID-19 because people are not dropping dead on the streets and the entire population has not been wiped out clean yet. Hahahaha. 

covid-19 is a virus, it is not a sentient being that is winning anything against anyone. Framing a pandemic in terms of a war is completely unhelpful because this implies that the virus must be defeated, meaning eliminated, which it won’t be.
 

So the question now is how to live with the virus, with the understanding that most people are going to be infected at some point in their lives going forward, the only question is how comfortable you are with the speed of spread.
 

Social distancing and other measures will reduce speed but please don’t expect that we are heading back to zero cases anywhere. What number of cases a day will you accept? 

[Guest Guest]

On 1/26/2022 at 1:36 PM, Guest Wtf said:

covid-19 is a virus, it is not a sentient being that is winning anything against anyone. Framing a pandemic in terms of a war is completely unhelpful because this implies that the virus must be defeated, meaning eliminated, which it won’t be.
 

So the question now is how to live with the virus, with the understanding that most people are going to be infected at some point in their lives going forward, the only question is how comfortable you are with the speed of spread.
 

Social distancing and other measures will reduce speed but please don’t expect that we are heading back to zero cases anywhere. What number of cases a day will you accept? 

Why can't we follow Taiwan & HK? They are following the zero case approach and have been very successful in that. Remember every life is precious and should be saved.

[Guest Guest]

On 1/26/2022 at 1:00 PM, singalion said:

 

 

Let's not get complacent!

 

Most doctors and medical institutions still advice to keep safe distancing measures and mask wearing in place even with Omicron.

 

Also there is a danger for Omicron to mutate to something more severe in the long run. The more it spreads the more chances that it will.

 

 

People are taking such news (mild infections) too lightly. When you travel with the public transport the recent days, people are chatting as if there is no Omicron, masks are off at restaurants even when not eating or drinking, people strolling leisurely at parks, canals without mask.

Go to the clubbing spots, you will see groups of 20 - 30 pax all with mask down outside the bars and places hanging around chit chatting. People not keeping proper distance at queues etc.

People are behaving as if the measures are all taken back. 

The danger is for those with medical conditions and unvaccinated.

You go home and infect your mother, grandmother, uncle etc, that's it.

 

Be more responsible!

Stay at home as much as you can.

Wear the mask all times.

 

The virus empire strikes back!

 

 

Also I think the Government should distribute another round of ART tests for all residents.

The more test, the earlier they know on their infection, the less people they infect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is why we need a lockdown, hard to stay home when need to go to work in crowded trains and buses

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/26/2022 at 6:22 PM, Guest Guest said:

This is why we need a lockdown, hard to stay home when need to go to work in crowded trains and buses

Are you serious? You want to lockdown a whole country for a virus where 99.7% of reported cases have mild or no symptoms (which means that the actual rate of cases with serious illness is probably even less than 0.3% of cases, due to not all cases being reported).

 

How long are you going to lockdown for? What case number is acceptable to you before opening up again? At what point do you need to lockdown again after that? 
 

Please try and think a bit before advocating for ridiculous, unsustainable solutions. 
 

 

[lonelyglobe]

On 1/26/2022 at 6:22 PM, Guest Guest said:

This is why we need a lockdown, hard to stay home when need to go to work in crowded trains and buses

On 1/26/2022 at 8:51 AM, Guest guest said:

if there is no lockdown soon, it's gonna be very hard to control

Cannot lock down, that will be devastating to the economy and more importantly admitting their mistake from VTL to 50% workfocre back to office in the midst of omicron tsunami. 

 

Instead we should now just:

 

1.) boost booster shot,  we should have 80% and not 60% by now. Give angpao for the elderly? 

 

2.) boost children vaccination rate,  50% is not good enough. 

 

3.) boost infection rate (since they just need to stay at home and rest)  and see if we can achieve herd immunity. 

 

On 1/26/2022 at 6:20 PM, Guest Guest said:

Why can't we follow Taiwan & HK? They are following the zero case approach and have been very successful in that. Remember every life is precious and should be saved.

Unfortunately we have more important thing to save like SIA and changi airport among other things. Even New Zealand seems quite successful to contain the spread till now.

[Guest guest]

On 1/26/2022 at 7:02 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Are you serious? You want to lockdown a whole country for a virus where 99.7% of reported cases have mild or no symptoms (which means that the actual rate of cases with serious illness is probably even less than 0.3% of cases, due to not all cases being reported).

 

How long are you going to lockdown for? What case number is acceptable to you before opening up again? At what point do you need to lockdown again after that? 
 

Please try and think a bit before advocating for ridiculous, unsustainable solutions. 
 

 

lockdown till the disease is gone forever

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:02 PM, Guest guest said:

lockdown till the disease is gone forever

thank you for confirming you are not serious and for the laugh! 😂 

[Guest Guest]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:09 PM, Guest Wtf said:

thank you for confirming you are not serious and for the laugh! 😂 

do you think people losing their lives and burdening the healthcare system is a joke ?

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:14 PM, Guest Guest said:

do you think people losing their lives and burdening the healthcare system is a joke ?

no, I think the comment about having a lockdown ‘until the disease is gone forever’ is an absolute joke.

 

i assume you never drink, smoke or eat junk food? I assume you never drive or sit in a car because it might be in an accident? Or cross the road? Or do any sport that might cause an injury? Or do any of the million other things people do each day even though they carry small risks of losing their lives or burdening the healthcare system?
 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:56 PM, Guest Wtf said:

no, I think the comment about having a lockdown ‘until the disease is gone forever’ is an absolute joke.

 

i assume you never drink, smoke or eat junk food? I assume you never drive or sit in a car because it might be in an accident? Or cross the road? Or do any sport that might cause an injury? Or do any of the million other things people do each day even though they carry small risks of losing their lives or burdening the healthcare system?
 

 

The risk to fall sick and need hospitalisation due to COVID is very high for seniors(60+)

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/27/2022 at 8:03 AM, Guest Guest said:

The risk to fall sick and need hospitalisation due to COVID is very high for seniors(60+)

It is higher than for other age groups, but it is not ‘very high’. And it is lower if they are vaccinated. 
 

You can read all the stats on MOH site - better to get up to date information. 

[Steve5380]

Rather than confronting the high cost of a lockdown,

 

could the Singapore government, which has so much money,  buy say 10 million N95 or KN95 masks and distribute them for free to the millions who need additional protection, like it is now done in America?

[Guest Guest]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:56 PM, Guest Wtf said:

no, I think the comment about having a lockdown ‘until the disease is gone forever’ is an absolute joke.

 

i assume you never drink, smoke or eat junk food? I assume you never drive or sit in a car because it might be in an accident? Or cross the road? Or do any sport that might cause an injury? Or do any of the million other things people do each day even though they carry small risks of losing their lives or burdening the healthcare system?

 

LOL！

 

Just to justify the reopening of the economy, people now claimed COVID to create only "small risks of losing (people's) lives or burdening the healthcare system"? So, if we do not reopen the economy, I guess more people will die and the healthcare system will be bludgeoned? 

 

But I guess people will use ANY excuse to earn their money, wouldn't they? Oh, by the way, inflation has been reported to have hit an 8 year high at 4%. And GST is going to be increased from 7% to 9% too. Let me guess, are you going to hike up your prices by more than 4% and even charge GST at 9%, perhaps even though your company might not even be GST-registered? 

 

Even if it is meant to be money earned at the expense of other people's deaths, you will do anything just to earn your money, won't you? 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/27/2022 at 9:18 AM, Steve5380 said:

Rather than confronting the high cost of a lockdown,

 

could the Singapore government, which has so much money,  buy say 10 million N95 or KN95 masks and distribute them for free to the millions who need additional protection, like it is now done in America?

There have been six distribution rounds of free masks in Singapore, via the Temasek foundation. Over three million masks were given out in the most recent round, which ended on January 23. Singapore has no shortage of masks and they are mandatory to be worn in public - indoors and outdoors - in most situations, except when eating, drinking or exercising.

 

[Steve5380]

On 1/26/2022 at 7:41 PM, Guest Wtf said:

There have been six distribution rounds of free masks in Singapore, via the Temasek foundation. Over three million masks were given out in the most recent round, which ended on January 23. Singapore has no shortage of masks and they are mandatory to be worn in public - indoors and outdoors - in most situations, except when eating, drinking or exercising.

 

 

This is commendable.  But what type of masks were given out?   The N95, KN95 are much superior to the simple cloth or surgery masks,  and they are highly protective.  This is why healthcare providers use them.  And different from what they do, they can be reused many times.

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/27/2022 at 9:38 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

LOL！

 

Just to justify the reopening of the economy, people now claimed COVID to create only "small risks of losing (people's) lives or burdening the healthcare system"? So, if we do not reopen the economy, I guess more people will die and the healthcare system will be bludgeoned? 

 

But I guess people will use ANY excuse to earn their money, wouldn't they? Oh, by the way, inflation has been reported to have hit an 8 year high at 4%. And GST is going to be increased from 7% to 9% too. Let me guess, are you going to hike up your prices by more than 4% and even charge GST at 9%, perhaps even though your company might not even be GST-registered? 

 

Even if it is meant to be money earned at the expense of other people's deaths, you will do anything just to earn your money, won't you? 

 

Your mixing up of everything and the fact that you think that 0.3% is somehow a big risk shows the total futility of thinking it possible to have any kind of intelligent discussion with you.
 

Just keep posting your little memes and whatever else. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/27/2022 at 9:44 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

This is commendable.  But what type of masks were given out?   The N95, KN95 are much superior to the simple cloth or surgery masks,  and they are highly protective.  This is why healthcare providers use them.  And different from what they do, they can be reused many times.

If you want to comment on Singapore issues on a Singapore forum, it wouldn’t hurt to keep up to date with what is happening in Singapore or to do some research on the topics you comment about.
 

Just Google ‘Temasek foundation mask distribution’ and you will find all the information. From that search, I can tell you that the current masks have N-95 grade filtration. 

[Steve5380]

On 1/26/2022 at 7:48 PM, Guest Wtf said:

If you want to comment on Singapore issues on a Singapore forum, it wouldn’t hurt to keep up to date with what is happening in Singapore or to do some research on the topics you comment about.
 

Just Google ‘Temasek foundation mask distribution’ and you will find all the information. From that search, I can tell you that the current masks have N-95 grade filtration. 

 

I didn't know what Temasek foundation is, so thanks for the information.  Then, with these N95 masks on, people should not feel so much at risk, being fully vaccinated on top of it.

[Guest Guest]

On 1/27/2022 at 9:45 AM, Guest Wtf said:

Your mixing up of everything and the fact that you think that 0.3% is somehow a big risk shows the total futility of thinking it possible to have any kind of intelligent discussion with you.
 

Just keep posting your little memes and whatever else. 

 

So, will closing the economy cause 3% of the population to die? Or will it just affect maybe 3% of your profits?  

 

Can you please just stop pretending that you care whether 0.3% of the people will die, or whether 30% of the people will die. Why don't you just admit that your push for the reopening of the economy is just to satisfy your bank account and your wallet? Your intentions are seen through so easily. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/27/2022 at 9:52 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

I didn't know what Temasek foundation is, so thanks for the information.  Then, with these N95 masks on, people should not feel so much at risk, being fully vaccinated on top of it.

exactly, those measures and the fact that only 0.3% of registered covid cases in Singapore are severe confirm that people should not feel so much at risk but some people have been conditioned to be frightened the last two years and are now struggling to adapt to understand the ways the pandemic has changed.
 

Some people, like guest guest, are just   incapable of understanding pretty much anything, so the pandemic is especially hard for them. 

[Steve5380]

On 1/26/2022 at 8:04 PM, Guest Wtf said:

exactly, those measures and the fact that only 0.3% of registered covid cases in Singapore are severe confirm that people should not feel so much at risk but some people have been conditioned to be frightened the last two years and are now struggling to adapt to understand the ways the pandemic has changed.
 

Some people, like guest guest, are just   incapable of understanding pretty much anything, so the pandemic is especially hard for them. 

 

Only 83.6% of the Singapore population is fully vaccinated.  How much is (1 - 0.836) x 5 million? 

 

820,000 not fully vaccinated Singaporeans are at increased risk of contracting covid,  multiplied by 0.003, is 2,460. There are 2,460 potential severe cases of covid.  THIS is what needs attention.   Your country should impose mandatory vaccination for these 820,000 irresponsible people who snub vaccination. 

 

America should do the same, make vaccination mandatory.  But you know how wishy-washy American politics is!  You have a better chance in Singapore with not so many "freedoms of choices". 

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/27/2022 at 11:06 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

Only 83.6% of the Singapore population is fully vaccinated.  How much is (1 - 0.836) x 5 million? 

 

820,000 not fully vaccinated Singaporeans are at increased risk of contracting covid,  multiplied by 0.003, is 2,460. There are 2,460 potential severe cases of covid.  THIS is what needs attention.   Your country should impose mandatory vaccination for these 820,000 irresponsible people who snub vaccination. 

 

America should do the same, make vaccination mandatory.  But you know how wishy-washy American politics is!  You have a better chance in Singapore with not so many "freedoms of choices". 

91% of the eligible population is vaccinated.  This will increase as more 5-11 year olds are classified as fully vaccinated. 

[singalion]

On 1/26/2022 at 6:20 PM, Guest Guest said:

Why can't we follow Taiwan & HK? They are following the zero case approach and have been very successful in that. Remember every life is precious and should be saved.

 

Could also follow China and lock all people into their homes...

 

Maybe Taiwan and HongKong are less relevant nowadays and have less business travel etc compared to Singapore.

The tourism sector has a huge junk of revenue for Singapore.

 

You must look at all sides.

 

The way forward was vaccinations. The statistics reveal it every day: Those unvaccinated are the ones at highest risk.

 

 

 

[singalion]

On 1/26/2022 at 7:02 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Are you serious? You want to lockdown a whole country for a virus where 99.7% of reported cases have mild or no symptoms (which means that the actual rate of cases with serious illness is probably even less than 0.3% of cases, due to not all cases being reported).

 

How long are you going to lockdown for? What case number is acceptable to you before opening up again? At what point do you need to lockdown again after that? 
 

Please try and think a bit before advocating for ridiculous, unsustainable solutions. 
 

 

 

You must brush up your maths a bit.

 

Let's say 90% are vaccinated.

 

Singapore has 5.6 mil residents.

 

That makes 560,000 unvaccinated people.

 

Official numbers reported from Singapore to certain institutions says 2 doses vaccinated is at 83% (booster at 52%)

 

Then the unvaccinated people are at around 1 million.

 

I am not proposing any lockdown, but you cannot reduce the risk at such misleading levels as what you posted above.

 

You should look up the numbers from the unvaccinated deaths.

 

Here a report from the US:

During April 4–December 25, 2021, a total of 6,812,040 COVID-19 cases among unvaccinated persons and 2,866,517 cases among fully vaccinated persons were reported among persons aged ≥18 years in 25 U.S. jurisdictions; 94,640 and 22,567 COVID-19–associated deaths among unvaccinated and fully vaccinated persons, respectively, were reported by December 4 (Table 1). Average weekly, age-standardized rates of cases and deaths (events per 100,000 population) were higher during periods of Delta predominance and Omicron emergence than during pre-Delta and Delta emergence periods and were consistently higher in all periods among unvaccinated persons (range = 64.0–725.6 [cases] and 1.5–11.4 [deaths]) than among fully vaccinated persons (range = 7.4–230.9 and 0.1–0.7).

 

 

COVID-19–associated deaths

Omicron emergence (first week in December 2021)††

2,230

9.7

682

0.5

NC

(Note: this is just looking at Omicron and not the other Covid 19 variants)

 

Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 2). Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) during October–November. Age-standardized case IRRs among unvaccinated persons compared with fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose declined from 13.9 during October–November to 4.9 during December, representing potential decreases in crude VE for infection from 93% to 80%, respectively. Comparing unvaccinated persons with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, age-standardized case IRRs during October–November and December were 4.0 and 2.8 respectively, representing decreases in VE from 75% to 64%. During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively. Protection improved among persons who received a booster dose compared with not receiving a booster, regardless of primary series vaccine product type. Booster doses provided the largest gains in protection among persons aged ≥65 years followed by persons aged 50–64 years when compared with those aged 18–49 years.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

 

The report gives unvaccinated people a 85% higher risk of death compared to vaccinated (2 dose or booster).

 

Also note there is still a 0.5 % of deaths for vaccinated people. (That would make 23,000 rounded up 6 deaths in this group per week). [Note, there is correction as the number was not a percentage but on 100,000, representing the death in one week. It would result in 6 deaths per week for this group and 24 deaths for vaccinated people per month.]

 

The 9.7 % death rate for non vaccinated people would result in roughly 108,000 deaths taken the 1 mil group of unvaccinated Singapore residents... The number is not even looking at risks of people with underlying conditions.

[Note the number was corrected as the 9.7% was not a percentage but a reference to 100,000,

However note the number is indicative for one week only, therefore a monthly dead toll would be 432]

 

 

 

Please do not post here as if Omicron "is just a flu" and that there is no risk at all.

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by singalion

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/27/2022 at 12:31 PM, singalion said:

 

You must brush up your maths a bit.

 

Let's say 90% are vaccinated.

 

Singapore has 5.6 mil residents.

 

That makes 560,000 unvaccinated people.

 

Official numbers reported from Singapore to certain institutions says 2 doses vaccinated is at 83% (booster at 52%)

 

Then the unvaccinated people are at around 1 million.

 

I am not proposing any lockdown, but you cannot reduce the risk at such misleading levels as what you posted above.

 

You should look up the numbers from the unvaccinated deaths.

 

Here a report from the US:

During April 4–December 25, 2021, a total of 6,812,040 COVID-19 cases among unvaccinated persons and 2,866,517 cases among fully vaccinated persons were reported among persons aged ≥18 years in 25 U.S. jurisdictions; 94,640 and 22,567 COVID-19–associated deaths among unvaccinated and fully vaccinated persons, respectively, were reported by December 4 (Table 1). Average weekly, age-standardized rates of cases and deaths (events per 100,000 population) were higher during periods of Delta predominance and Omicron emergence than during pre-Delta and Delta emergence periods and were consistently higher in all periods among unvaccinated persons (range = 64.0–725.6 [cases] and 1.5–11.4 [deaths]) than among fully vaccinated persons (range = 7.4–230.9 and 0.1–0.7).

 

 

COVID-19–associated deaths

Omicron emergence (first week in December 2021)††

2,230

9.7

682

0.5

NC

(Note: this is just looking at Omicron and not the other Covid 19 variants)

 

Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 2). Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) during October–November. Age-standardized case IRRs among unvaccinated persons compared with fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose declined from 13.9 during October–November to 4.9 during December, representing potential decreases in crude VE for infection from 93% to 80%, respectively. Comparing unvaccinated persons with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, age-standardized case IRRs during October–November and December were 4.0 and 2.8 respectively, representing decreases in VE from 75% to 64%. During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively. Protection improved among persons who received a booster dose compared with not receiving a booster, regardless of primary series vaccine product type. Booster doses provided the largest gains in protection among persons aged ≥65 years followed by persons aged 50–64 years when compared with those aged 18–49 years.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

 

The report gives unvaccinated people a 85% higher risk of death compared to vaccinated (2 dose or booster).

 

Also note there is still a 0.5 % of deaths for vaccinated people. (That would make 23,000 deaths in this group).

 

The 9.7 % death rate for non vaccinated people would result in roughly 108,000 deaths taken the 1 mil group of unvaccinated Singapore residents... The number is not even looking at risks of people with underlying conditions.

 

 

 

Please do not post here as if Omicron "is just a flu" and that there is no risk at all.

 

 

 

you are mixing apples and oranges, on the one hand talking about Singapore’s total unvaccinated population which includes under 18s. You then cite studies that only consider 18 years and older, so the numbers and assumptions you then make are already not valid. Also the figures you quote are pre-omicron. 
 

Finally the 9.7 number you mention is not 9.7%, it is 9.7 per 100,000 people based on the number of deaths in a group (unvaccinated people) divided by the total number of people in this group and given per 100,000 people. Check our world in data for more details. 

[lonelyglobe]

Not to forget quite a portion of the vaccinated include those who have taken china vaccine and we know the protection for severe disease for china vaccine is about 60% as compared to those Pfizer and Moderna, 90% and 97% respectively.

[Guest Guest]

Another variant arrives: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/14-infected-with-omicron-stealth-subvariant-in-thailand-one-dies

 

I repeat again, the only solution is stricter border controls and lockdowns(along with vaccinations) to save lives.

[Guest Small Tige]

On 1/27/2022 at 10:04 AM, Guest Wtf said:

exactly, those measures and the fact that only 0.3% of registered covid cases in Singapore are severe confirm that people should not feel so much at risk but some people have been conditioned to be frightened the last two years and are now struggling to adapt to understand the ways the pandemic has changed.
 

Some people, like guest guest, are just   incapable of understanding pretty much anything, so the pandemic is especially hard for them. 

So we wear masks, get excluded from many places if unvaccinated, cannot have more than 5 people visiting but then should not be frightened?
 

The messaging is quite conflicting. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/27/2022 at 9:10 PM, Guest Guest said:

Another variant arrives: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/14-infected-with-omicron-stealth-subvariant-in-thailand-one-dies

 

I repeat again, the only solution is stricter border controls and lockdowns(along with vaccinations) to save lives.

thank you for repeating yourself again and reminding me to thank god that you are nowhere near being in any position of decision-making authority. 

[singalion]

On 1/27/2022 at 1:11 PM, Guest Wtf said:

you are mixing apples and oranges, on the one hand talking about Singapore’s total unvaccinated population which includes under 18s. You then cite studies that only consider 18 years and older, so the numbers and assumptions you then make are already not valid. Also the figures you quote are pre-omicron. 
 

Finally the 9.7 number you mention is not 9.7%, it is 9.7 per 100,000 people based on the number of deaths in a group (unvaccinated people) divided by the total number of people in this group and given per 100,000 people. Check our world in data for more details. 

 

Sorry, I am not mixing apples with oranges.

I don't think the population data will exclude any 18y old and younger.

As to my knowledge these persons are also residents and counted as residents in Singapore.

 

Also the <Banned Words> be-low 1-8 to 11y old are currently getting vaccinated. I don't think they are excluded from the statistics.

 

The per 100,000 was an oversight as I did not read the footnote to the table. I will recalculate the numbers tomorrow.

 

If you had opened the table then you had seen that the death numbers were exclusive for Omicron. I did not even add the death numbers from the normal Covid (Alpha variant) and Delta variant. 

The table indicates all of them.

the numbers are not outdated but refer to the latest available data from CDC.

 

Here the quote:

On January 21, 2022, this report was posted online as an MMWR Early Release.

 

 

 

The main point of my post was, which is still valid, there are still deaths for unvaccinated people from Omicron and numbers are not that negligible as you intend to paint here.

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by singalion
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[Guest Wtf]

On 1/28/2022 at 2:21 AM, singalion said:

 

Sorry, I am not mixing apples with oranges.

I don't think the population data will exclude any 18y old and younger.

As to my knowledge these persons are also residents and counted as residents in Singapore.

 

Also the <Banned Words> be-low 1-8 to 11y old are currently getting vaccinated. I don't think they are excluded from the statistics.

 

The per 100,000 was an oversight as I did not read the footnote to the table. I will recalculate the numbers tomorrow.

 

If you had opened the table then you had seen that the death numbers were exclusive of Omicron. I did not even add the death numbers from the normal Covid (Alpha variant) and Delta variant. 

The table indicates all of them.

the numbers are not outdated but refer to the latest available data from CDC.

 

Here the quote:

On January 21, 2022, this report was posted online as an MMWR Early Release.

 

 

 

The main point of my post was, which is still valid, there are still deaths for unvaccinated people from Omicron and numbers are not that negligible as you intend to paint here.

 

 

 

What do you class as negligible? 
 

Look, all the data on how many people are vaccinated or not is available, plus mortality rates for different countries. Go to our world in data for global data and cross check with mom for the Singapore part. 
 

You don’t have to make assumptions and then draw from random data points to make an alarmist calculation.

 

Tell us how it looks when you have calculated correctly - I guarantee it is  nowhere near the 108,000 potential deaths you claimed. 

[Steve5380]

On 1/27/2022 at 7:10 AM, Guest Guest said:

Another variant arrives: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/14-infected-with-omicron-stealth-subvariant-in-thailand-one-dies

 

I repeat again, the only solution is stricter border controls and lockdowns(along with vaccinations) to save lives.

 

You could propose to build a "Singapore bubble" like the Chinese have built the Olympics Bubble?

 

But it will be much more difficult to keep a tight bubble for 5.6 million people plus the many foreigners who need to come to SG as part of the extensive commerce activity of the island.

 

And in addition to that,  Singapore has always been against bubble,  like bubble gum.

[InBangkok]

On 1/28/2022 at 9:33 AM, Steve5380 said:

You could propose to build a "Singapore bubble" like the Chinese have built the Olympics Bubble?

 

But it will be much more difficult to keep a tight bubble for 5.6 million people plus the many foreigners who need to come to SG as part of the extensive commerce activity of the island.

 

And in addition to that,  Singapore has always been against bubble,  like bubble gum.

Apart from that fatuous final comment, it might help if you did your research before commenting. As of 2 days ago the South China Morning Post was reporting "dozens of positive covid cases found in Beijing's Olympic bubble." As of 24 hours ago the number had risen to 106. So what would be the point of Singapore having a similar covid bubble? It's a nonsense idea given that Changi airport remains open and flights continue to arrive and depart, despite testing and tracing.

 

You would have done well to check the facts about Taiwan which has all but completely closed borders.  As an island, it could have been covid free like Tonga. It remains closed because covid numbers are actually increasing!

 

[singalion]

On 1/28/2022 at 8:05 AM, Guest Wtf said:

What do you class as negligible? 
 

Look, all the data on how many people are vaccinated or not is available, plus mortality rates for different countries. Go to our world in data for global data and cross check with mom for the Singapore part. 
 

You don’t have to make assumptions and then draw from random data points to make an alarmist calculation.

 

Tell us how it looks when you have calculated correctly - I guarantee it is  nowhere near the 108,000 potential deaths you claimed. 

 

 Cross check with MOM?

 

The MOH data stops at 31 Dec 2021. there is no update for Omicron.

The point was Omicron.

 

The MOH data does not even detail what they understand as "population".

It the explanation it says:

About Singapore's COVID-19 Vaccination Programme

The COVID-19 vaccination programme protects Singaporeans against COVID-19, as well as businesses and jobs through the progressive re-opening of Singapore.

 

Are they only counting the 91 % for Singaporeans?

 

 

Just to add:

You are the one here pretending as if Omicron can be neglected.

Take a look at US and Europe and you will see whether Omicron is just mild and does not cause death.

 

It is a threat to non vaccinated people and in particular to elderly or people above 60 years.

Don't play down any risks for these groups.

 

There have been 113 deaths in Singapore from Covid since 1 Dec 2021.

 

(By the way I am not saying or promoting any stricter measures or a lockdown, but just pointing to the fact that you cannot describe Omicron just as a mild virus. )

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by singalion