Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 7:45 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

Seriously?? Proving my point regarding your stupidity by looking for support from @singalion here? OMG! You poor thing!  🤦‍♂️

 

 

On 2/7/2022 at 7:45 PM, Guest Guest said:

Someone needs to spray Baygon on this post to chase Guest Wtf away

ranting racism is a great look for you. 

[singalion]

On 2/7/2022 at 7:53 PM, sgmaven said:

I generally walk out of the elevator at my block if someone else steps in. I just take the next lift. Tried walking up and down the stairs... Okay if you are wearing something comfortable and can sweat it out. Cannot imagine being in office-wear and walking the stairs...

 

 

I was staying in an HDB for some years in the 13th floor and only used the elevator (was still that 1-6-11 stop type)  when I came back from overseas with a suitcase. The rest I walked.

 

I still walk the stairs in my condo. haha

Often I am faster than neighbours taking the lift to the same floor.

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/7/2022 at 7:59 PM, Guest Wtf said:

 

ranting racism is a great look for you. 

wonder what are you even doing in the SG forum?

[singalion]

On 2/7/2022 at 7:53 PM, sgmaven said:

What happens when masses are late for work, and blame it on crowd control at the MRT or buses? Frankly, I think it is the idea of two types of people in Singapore. Those who drive, and those who rely on public transport. Guess which group the policy-makers belong to?

 

I love this point.

but it is a bit off topic.

 

How often had I wanted to walk into the Ministry of Transport and request the Minister to take the public transport with me... for a ride... hm

(but don't forget... first class!)

 

I still have that picture from the newspaper somewhere with the then Transport minister when he took the MRT at Bishan (at the near to empty train during the passenger peaks years)  😂

 

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by singalion

[Guest Guest]

On 2/7/2022 at 7:59 PM, Guest Wtf said:

 

ranting racism is a great look for you. 

 

So, this has something to do with "racism" now? Come on! Give logic a break already! Suicide by attempted logic doesn't look good on retards. Wouldn't you be happier to go out partying and die by Covid? That's what you've always wanted, right? Go ahead, you won't be missed.  

[sgmaven]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:09 PM, singalion said:

I love this point.

but it is a bit off topic.

It is just like during the Delta wave, when numerous bus drivers tested positive, with clear transmission between drivers. They quickly claimed that bus transport was unlikely to lead to infection, and that the drivers were co-infected when they were gathered during their breaks.

[Guest Wtf]

 

On 2/7/2022 at 6:09 PM, sgmaven said:

I wonder how the virus, from being well-controlled, became endemic through the Delta wave?🙄

 

As vaccination rates went up, someone high up decided to make a bet that the virus could be controlled via vaccination. As such, they relaxed on entry requirements into Singapore, moved away from professionally-done PCR-testing to self-administered ART-testing, as well as dismantling much of the contact-tracing infrastructure that was set up. Not to mention the introduction of home recovery.

 

I am surprised no one has called this into question, and whether this was too big a gamble to take. Now, we talk about the endemic virus, but why has it become that way?

Most countries globally - with two very clear exceptions - have by now accepted that covid is or will be endemic and are attempting to deal with that in different ways. Even New Zealand, which had one of the most hardline ‘zero-covid’ approaches.

 

I am curious if you have thought about why has it become that way in all these other countries and why you think should Singapore be any different or how Singapore could have avoided this?

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:13 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

So, this has something to do with "racism" now? Come on! Give logic a break already! Suicide by attempted logic doesn't look good on retards. Wouldn't you be happier to go out partying and die by Covid? That's what you've always wanted, right? Go ahead, you won't be missed.  

Erm , yeah, calling someone ‘Ceca’, asking why they are on a Singapore forum, talking about bug spray and sharing links about incest in India to imply that someone is a product of incest is, indeed, racist. 

time for @G_M to delete all your garbage or at least move it to the flaming room. 

[sgmaven]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:28 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Most countries globally - with two very clear exceptions - have by now accepted that covid is or will be endemic and are attempting to deal with that in different ways. Even New Zealand, which had one of the most hardline ‘zero-covid’ approaches.

 

I am curious if you have thought about why has it become that way in all these other countries and why you think should Singapore be any different or how Singapore could have avoided this?

Isn't this all based on the misguided hope that vaccines alone would be able to control the virus? Most countries chose to take this "easy way out" which turned out not to be totally workable. So they just changed the narrative into an "endemic" one.

 

As I said, if we had continued with proper contact tracing (using Analytics and TraceTogether data), as well as not reducing the quarantine period...

 

Now that so many are infected locally, of course we have to "embrace" the "endemic" virus. Of course, the use of self-administered ART and home recovery is going to increase the number of infections, but we are already past the point of no return. We just have to pray and hope for the best? 🙄

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:24 PM, sgmaven said:

It is just like during the Delta wave, when numerous bus drivers tested positive, with clear transmission between drivers. They quickly claimed that bus transport was unlikely to lead to infection, and that the drivers were co-infected when they were gathered during their breaks.

but that’s quite likely that they were infected this way, isn’t it? Because it’s not like drivers are all gathering together on the same bus. A cigarette break or similar is much more likely to be the reason for a cluster forming in that group. 

[sgmaven]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:35 PM, Guest Wtf said:

but that’s quite likely that they were infected this way, isn’t it? Because it’s not like drivers are all gathering together on the same bus. A cigarette break or similar is much more likely to be the reason for a cluster forming in that group. 

Or is it because they refused to test the passengers of those buses? You don't know, if you don't test. But they were mighty confident that it wasn't the case. Sounds to me a bit like what they do in the Red states in the US, cut down testing when cases are high...

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:34 PM, sgmaven said:

Isn't this all based on the misguided hope that vaccines alone would be able to control the virus? Most countries chose to take this "easy way out" which turned out not to be totally workable. So they just changed the narrative into an "endemic" one.

 

As I said, if we had continued with proper contact tracing (using Analytics and TraceTogether data), as well as not reducing the quarantine period...

 

Now that so many are infected locally, of course we have to "embrace" the "endemic" virus. Of course, the use of self-administered ART and home recovery is going to increase the number of infections, but we are already past the point of no return. We just have to pray and hope for the best? 🙄

the vaccines are controlling the virus in terms of reducing severe disease and death, this is clearly demonstrated. 
 

and with an endemic virus globally, what should Singapore have done - taken the Hong Kong approach? In the end, politicians have to make choices in a pandemic that balance a number of factors and one factor Singapore has to consider is that it is heavily dependent on being a connected international hub. 
 

[sgmaven]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:39 PM, Guest Wtf said:

the vaccines are controlling the virus in terms of reducing severe disease and death, this is clearly demonstrated. 

I am glad that you are so convinced about the good the vaccines are doing. While vaccines can reduce the severity of the initial infection, it says nothing about the long-term impact on the ACE-related systems of victims.

 

On 2/7/2022 at 8:39 PM, Guest Wtf said:

and with an endemic virus globally, what should Singapore have done - taken the Hong Kong approach? In the end, politicians have to make choices in a pandemic that balance a number of factors and one factor Singapore has to consider is that it is heavily dependent on being a connected international hub.

Like I said many times already. If we had not cut the amount of time for quarantine, and do good contact tracing, our case count wouldn't spiral out of control like it has now.

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:38 PM, sgmaven said:

Or is it because they refused to test the passengers of those buses? You don't know, if you don't test. But they were mighty confident that it wasn't the case. Sounds to me a bit like what they do in the Red states in the US, cut down testing when cases are high...

one of them could also have been infected at the supermarket or at home or in a thousand different settings. On the basis that the infection risk is based on proximity, concentration and duration of contact. I more lean to thinking that a masked passenger on the bus is unlikely to be infecting a masked driver and that that infection cluster came from other contact type where people where closer together, engaged in conversation and for a longer period of time. But none of us know for sure. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:43 PM, sgmaven said:

I am glad that you are so convinced about the good the vaccines are doing. While vaccines can reduce the severity of the initial infection, it says nothing about the long-term impact on the ACE-related systems of victims.

 

Like I said many times already. If we had not cut the amount of time for quarantine, and do good contact tracing, our case count wouldn't spiral out of control like it has now.

so how long would you have kept quarantine in place for? The next six months? Twelve? Longer? 

[sgmaven]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:43 PM, Guest Wtf said:

one of them could also have been infected at the supermarket or at home or in a thousand different settings. On the basis that the infection risk is based on proximity, concentration and duration of contact. I more lean to thinking that a masked passenger on the bus is unlikely to be infecting a masked driver and that that infection cluster came from other contact type where people where closer together, engaged in conversation and for a longer period of time. But none of us know for sure. 

Like I said, you don't test the passengers, you don't know. But somehow, they were so certain. Why? Because if they found that passengers got infected, the whole public transport system would be in turmoil...

 

It is just like how they squashed talk about Long-COVID...

[sgmaven]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:45 PM, Guest Wtf said:

so how long would you have kept quarantine in place for? The next six months? Twelve? Longer? 

Hello?!? I am talking about quarantine for new arrivals... Let them serve the 2 week quarantine, or isolate them in a transit hotel.

[Guest Guest]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:34 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Erm , yeah, calling someone ‘Ceca’, asking why they are on a Singapore forum, talking about bug spray and sharing links about incest in India to imply that someone is a product of incest is, indeed, racist. 

time for @G_M to delete all your garbage or at least move it to the flaming room. 

lol, the mods are my biggest supporters... Mods will never support you

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:47 PM, sgmaven said:

Hello?!? I am talking about quarantine for new arrivals... Let them serve the 2 week quarantine, or isolate them in a transit hotel.

sorry if I wasn’t clear, I meant how long would you keep the quarantine system in place for, not how long would you quarantine people for. 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/7/2022 at 8:34 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Erm , yeah, calling someone ‘Ceca’, asking why they are on a Singapore forum, talking about bug spray and sharing links about incest in India to imply that someone is a product of incest is, indeed, racist. 

time for @G_M to delete all your garbage or at least move it to the flaming room. 

 

Calling someone a CECA = racist? Bring that up to the MFA for that name;  

Sharing links about incest in India = racist? Bring that up to International Journal of Advanced Legal Research, which is the bunch of the people hosting the link and posting that article;  

Imply that someone is a product of incest = racist? Blame it on your own retarded brain. 

Asking why they are on a Singapore forum and talking about bug spray = racist? Yeah, typical retards trying to play victim. 

 

And finally, wailing for help when you cannot even hold your own fort after burning it down by igniting your own fire? This is typical of what happens when retards who cannot even comprehend logic wants to argue with adults: They get burned and start to cry father and cry mother. 

 

Hey, go die of COVID already. And I bet that's what you have been hoping for, haven't you? 

 

[sgmaven]

On 2/7/2022 at 9:04 PM, Guest Wtf said:

sorry if I wasn’t clear, I meant how long would you keep the quarantine system in place for, not how long would you quarantine people for. 

How long would you keep up with vaccinations and the boosters?

[Guest ffffffff]

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/life-in-quebecs-covid-hell/

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 9:26 PM, sgmaven said:

How long would you keep up with vaccinations and the boosters?

flu shots are adapted to the likely dominant strain and offered each year and especially encouraged for the vulnerable, I would guess it will be similar for covid. 
 

so, what about answering my question? 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 9:37 PM, Guest ffffffff said:

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/life-in-quebecs-covid-hell/

vigilant citizen? Give us a break 

[sgmaven]

On 2/7/2022 at 9:58 PM, Guest Wtf said:

flu shots are adapted to the likely dominant strain and offered each year and especially encouraged for the vulnerable, I would guess it will be similar for covid. 
 

so, what about answering my question? 

You either missed the point of my post, or are just trying to ignore it. I believe that proper segregation of people coming into Singapore, with adequate testing could have been done.

 

We are all speculating on what could have been anyway. It is far too late at this juncture to rein in the spread of the Omicron variant on our shores... The "endemic" approach has led to the high numbers. We don't know what the long-term consequences of the spread of the virus in the community. Time will tell. Hopefully, it wouldn't be as dire...

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 10:46 PM, sgmaven said:

You either missed the point of my post, or are just trying to ignore it. I believe that proper segregation of people coming into Singapore, with adequate testing could have been done.

 

We are all speculating on what could have been anyway. It is far too late at this juncture to rein in the spread of the Omicron variant on our shores... The "endemic" approach has led to the high numbers. We don't know what the long-term consequences of the spread of the virus in the community. Time will tell. Hopefully, it wouldn't be as dire...

it won’t be so dire. 

[sgmaven]

On 2/7/2022 at 10:50 PM, Guest Wtf said:

it won’t be so dire. 

How do you know?

[lonelyglobe]

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20220207-1240341

 

For those who understand chinese. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/7/2022 at 11:10 PM, sgmaven said:

How do you know?

I can’t say I ‘know’ but based on looking at the evidence and reading about the experience with omicron in other countries and also how/why previous pandemics have ended, I choose to be optimistic. 

[Guest ffffffff]

On 2/7/2022 at 9:59 PM, Guest Wtf said:

vigilant citizen? Give us a break 

You are given a break. VC isn't for you.

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:20 AM, Guest ffffffff said:

You are given a break. VC isn't for you.

no, it is for conspiracy theorists and the paranoid. 

[Guest ffffffff]

On 2/8/2022 at 10:26 AM, Guest Wtf said:

no, it is for conspiracy theorists and the paranoid. 

Yes it is   But it is backed with evidence.

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/8/2022 at 1:52 PM, Guest ffffffff said:

Yes it is   But it is backed with evidence.

you could say it is quite amusing but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it is ‘backed by evidence’ and I definitely wouldn’t use it as a source for information about covid 19. Better to stick to reading on there about lady gaga being an Illuminati puppet - at least it’s funny. 

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 8:28 AM, Guest Wtf said:

I can’t say I ‘know’ but based on looking at the evidence and reading about the experience with omicron in other countries and also how/why previous pandemics have ended, I choose to be optimistic. 

Then it is as much a guess as anything. Frankly, everyone's hope for the "endemic" approach is that it will "fade away" like what happened with the Spanish Flu epidemic. Don't forget that the mutation of viruses (and the Omicron variant is not the "end of the line") can go both ways. Just because we have been "lucky" in the past, doesn't mean a more deadly form doesn't emerge. Of course I am not hoping for things to go bad, but the long-term toll of this virus is yet to be known.

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/8/2022 at 2:32 PM, sgmaven said:

Then it is as much a guess as anything. Frankly, everyone's hope for the "endemic" approach is that it will "fade away" like what happened with the Spanish Flu epidemic. Don't forget that the mutation of viruses (and the Omicron variant is not the "end of the line") can go both ways. Just because we have been "lucky" in the past, doesn't mean a more deadly form doesn't emerge. Of course I am not hoping for things to go bad, but the long-term toll of this virus is yet to be known.

All the opinions here are as much guesses as anything, whether that is my optimism or your panicking, praying and complaints and doom and gloom.
 

A global pandemic is new for all of us and we are all interpreting the data and news available with our own biases and reacting from there to form our opinions and guesses. 

[Guest ffffffff]

On 2/8/2022 at 2:04 PM, Guest Wtf said:

you could say it is quite amusing but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it is ‘backed by evidence’ and I definitely wouldn’t use it as a source for information about covid 19. Better to stick to reading on there about lady gaga being an Illuminati puppet - at least it’s funny. 

You won't believe anything in  VC just like you won't believe stuff that isn't official about COVID.

[singalion]

On 2/7/2022 at 11:14 PM, lonelyglobe said:

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20220207-1240341

 

For those who understand chinese. 

 

For those who understand English:

 

News Singapore

 

Long-term after effect will be more common when Omicron strikes?

 

Zhang Jinpei Posted / February 7, 2022 8:07 PM

 

 

In just three months, the Omicron virus has swept the world, becoming the main strain in Europe, the United States and Singapore.

 

Although related research and clinical data show that the Omicron strain causes mild symptoms, as more and more mildly ill patients recover from Omicron, another public concern begins to emerge: Omicron Will there be any long term consequences after recovery? Will there be "Long COVID" symptoms like the early mutated virus?

Australia, India: There have been cases of "long-term coronavirus"

Four weeks after recovery, Morgan Cherry, a confirmed Omicron virus patient, still feels fatigued, the ABC reported on January 26.

 

Cheri, 28, was diagnosed with the Omicron virus on Christmas Day 2021. He has mild symptoms because he loves sports and fitness and has received two doses of the vaccine. Three days after the diagnosis, the only symptom was fatigue.

 

What Cherry did not expect was that the symptoms of fatigue did not disappear over time, but persisted for weeks. Now Cherry has to reduce the frequency of exercise, and even often go to bed at 8 pm.

 

Omicron's long-term symptoms are also seen in India. Dr. Shashank Joshi, a well-known endocrinologist in India and a member of the anti-epidemic team in Maharashtra, said in an interview with The Times of India on February 6 that there were mysterious Chron's patients suffer from "long-term coronavirus" symptoms such as fatigue and muscle pain.

 

He estimates that two out of every 10 Omicron patients in India experience a lingering problem.

 

"Long-term coronavirus" symptoms

Due to the relatively short duration of Omicron's appearance, research into its long-term symptoms is still ongoing. However, judging from relevant reports from Australia and India, fatigue and muscle pain are basically consistent with the long-term symptoms of the original virus and early mutant strains of the coronavirus.

 

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), “Long Covid” is defined as having symptoms that persist for more than four weeks after contracting the coronavirus. The symptoms of "long-term COVID-19" generally last from several weeks to several months, and occur after the initial symptoms are recovered or cured, so it is also called the "Long Term conditions" of COVID-19.

 

The World Health Organization (WHO), the UK National Health Service (NHS) and the US CDC all individually list the main symptoms of "long-term coronavirus disease", which are basically the same:

 

Mild disease does not mean no long-term risk of COVID-19

 

Omicron virus has milder symptoms than early mutated viruses. Does it mean that the probability of long-term symptoms is lower?

 

The "New York Times" article on January 19 pointed out that mild initial symptoms do not mean that the probability of the Omicron virus causing "long-term coronavirus disease" is reduced. Some patients who were infected with other strains early and had mild or even asymptomatic symptoms eventually developed long-term symptoms that lasted for months.

 

The long-term Covid-19 rehabilitation clinic of the Mount Sinai Health System in New York has seen hundreds of patients with mild symptoms since the outbreak, and these patients eventually turned into "long-term Covid-19."

 

Neuroscientist David Putrino, who runs the clinic, told the ABC that the severity of symptoms during the acute phase (the first four weeks of infection) did not predict which patients would end up with "long-term Covid-19".

 

Putrino believes that even if the new mutant virus has mild symptoms, as the number of infections surges, more people will experience "long-term coronavirus disease".

People with high risk of "long-term coronavirus disease"

Judging from other strains of Omicron before, the data shows that 1 to 30% of the confirmed cases have "long-term coronavirus disease".

 

According to a September 2021 Oxford University study, 37% of people with COVID-19 will experience at least one long-term consequences within three to six months of recovery.

 

Singapore also published a study on long-term symptoms of Covid-19 in July 2021. A survey by Singapore's National Centre for Infectious Diseases of 288 Covid-19 patients in three public hospitals found that of the 183 patients who returned to the hospital for follow-up visits, one in 10 still had symptoms of coughing and shortness of breath six months after contracting the virus. Symptoms such as persistent fatigue, dizziness, and insomnia are also present, but are less common.

 

In January 2022, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) released the latest statistics showing that of the 17.8 million confirmed patients in the country, a total of 1.3 million had "long-term Covid-19". Of these, about 890,000 (70%) were infected at least 12 weeks ago, and more than 500,000 (40%) were diagnosed at least a year ago.

 

The ONS also collected more than 350,000 people with "long-term Covid-19" symptoms, which, after analysis, were more common in the following groups of people:

    35 to 69 years old
    female
    People with other medical conditions and limited mobility
    Medical and social service practitioners
    Residents of poverty-stricken areas

 

Where does "long-term coronavirus disease" come from?

Why does "long-term coronavirus disease" appear? The medical community currently has three theories about this.

 

The first is that after the initial infection, the virus that remains in the body can cause inflammation, leading to "long-term Covid-19."

 

The second theory is that other viruses lurking in the body are activated by the coronavirus. According to a recent study published in the American scientific journal Cell, these viruses include the Epstein-Barr virus (also known as human herpesvirus type 4) in human blood.

 

The third theory is that the body's autoimmune response is stimulated by the coronavirus. In a normal immune response, the virus activates antibodies, but sometimes the antibodies mistakenly attack normal cells. In general, women are more likely to develop autoimmune diseases, which explains why "long-term coronavirus disease" is more common in women.
Study: Vaccines can reduce the chance of 'long-term coronavirus disease'

 

So can vaccines reduce the probability of "long-term coronavirus disease"?

A UK study published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases, which analysed the statistics of 1.2 million adults who received at least one dose of the vaccine between December 2020 and July 2021, found that compared with those who had not been vaccinated Compared with those who contracted the virus after completing two doses, the probability of developing "long-term coronavirus disease" was halved.

 

Another study published on medRxiv, an American medical research website, surveyed nearly 30,000 coronavirus patients in the UK between the ages of 18 and 69 and found that the probability of unvaccinated people developing "long-term coronavirus disease" is Seven to 10 times more than those who received at least one dose of the vaccine.

 

Even if the first dose of the vaccine is administered after being infected with the coronavirus, the probability of developing "long-term coronavirus disease" is lower than if the vaccine is not vaccinated.

 

 

 

The article is an early reminder for those who have been playing down an Omicron infection.

 

 

[singalion]

Latest News

Something is Terribly Wrong in Quebec aka COVID Hell

The Canadian province of Quebec boasts one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. It also holds another title: Harshest lockdowns and most oppressive sanitary measures in the world. Here’s a look at life in Quebec right now.

Published on January 24, 2022

By Vigilant Citizen

 

 

 

I made an effort to read the article.

 

Plenty of Western Countries have seen people protesting against the Covid restrictions.

There are still some who claim that Covid-19 is an invention of Governments to restrict liberties.

 

 

When you look at the list of restrictions on the Omicron wave that the author complains about:

 

2022

Needless to say, 2022 started poorly in Quebec. Despite the fact that studies showed that Omicron was much weaker than previous variants, Quebec doubled down on the restrictions. Here are some of the measures that are currently in effect in Quebec.

• All private gatherings are banned
• All public events are canceled, including sporting events
• All restaurants, bars, and casinos are closed
• All places of worship are closed (funerals are limited to 25 people)
• All gyms are closed, extracurricular activities are canceled, most sporting activities are banned
• All schools were closed until January 17th. Youth sports are banned.
• All spas and saunas are closed
• Mask mandate in all public places. Schoolchildren as young as 6 years old must wear masks in school at all times, including during phys ed.
• Vaccine passports are required for most outdoor activities such as ski resorts

 

I assume these are really hardships and serious restrictions.

Yes, you are right dear author: Singaporeans had it better: Gay saunas were open during the Omicron wave!

 

The article contains various inaccuracies.

One of them:

Quote:

On December 31th 2021, Quebec became the only place in the world to impose another curfew on the entire population.

 

For example not only Canada implemented lockdown policies on Omicron but also, Denmark, Australia, the Netherlands, Austria and plenty other countries.

 

This part was the best:

This article zoomed in on Quebec, a Canadian province where democracy has been on hold since 2020 and basic freedoms are being chipped away with no public debates and full media cooperation.

 

The problem is , there are people who believe this!

 

 

What I missed in the article was the coming out of the "journalist" whether he was vaccinated or not...

But I have a personal assumption why he is that angry on the measures...

 

And please take a look at that video of the kids in the Quebec TV show. It is so funny. And people take this serious. haha (that's the best of it).

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

This is what a good government does which really cares for it's people: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/hong-kong-further-tightens-its-tough-covid-19-rules-as-cases-soar

[Guest ffffffff]

On 2/8/2022 at 2:04 PM, Guest Wtf said:

you could say it is quite amusing but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it is ‘backed by evidence’ and I definitely wouldn’t use it as a source for information about covid 19. Better to stick to reading on there about lady gaga being an Illuminati puppet - at least it’s funny. 

Not only Gaga. Most music industry are puppets. Can read yourself.  Britney. Katy, Madonna.,

[Guest ffffffff]

On 2/8/2022 at 5:19 PM, singalion said:

Latest News

Something is Terribly Wrong in Quebec aka COVID Hell

The Canadian province of Quebec boasts one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. It also holds another title: Harshest lockdowns and most oppressive sanitary measures in the world. Here’s a look at life in Quebec right now.

Published on January 24, 2022

By Vigilant Citizen

 

 

 

I made an effort to read the article.

 

Plenty of Western Countries have seen people protesting against the Covid restrictions.

There are still some who claim that Covid-19 is an invention of Governments to restrict liberties.

 

 

When you look at the list of restrictions on the Omicron wave that the author complains about:

 

2022

Needless to say, 2022 started poorly in Quebec. Despite the fact that studies showed that Omicron was much weaker than previous variants, Quebec doubled down on the restrictions. Here are some of the measures that are currently in effect in Quebec.

• All private gatherings are banned
• All public events are canceled, including sporting events
• All restaurants, bars, and casinos are closed
• All places of worship are closed (funerals are limited to 25 people)
• All gyms are closed, extracurricular activities are canceled, most sporting activities are banned
• All schools were closed until January 17th. Youth sports are banned.
• All spas and saunas are closed
• Mask mandate in all public places. Schoolchildren as young as 6 years old must wear masks in school at all times, including during phys ed.
• Vaccine passports are required for most outdoor activities such as ski resorts

 

I assume these are really hardships and serious restrictions.

Yes, you are right dear author: Singaporeans had it better: Gay saunas were open during the Omicron wave!

 

The article contains various inaccuracies.

One of them:

Quote:

On December 31th 2021, Quebec became the only place in the world to impose another curfew on the entire population.

 

For example not only Canada implemented lockdown policies on Omicron but also, Denmark, Australia, the Netherlands, Austria and plenty other countries.

 

This part was the best:

This article zoomed in on Quebec, a Canadian province where democracy has been on hold since 2020 and basic freedoms are being chipped away with no public debates and full media cooperation.

 

The problem is , there are people who believe this!

 

 

What I missed in the article was the coming out of the "journalist" whether he was vaccinated or not...

But I have a personal assumption why he is that angry on the measures...

 

And please take a look at that video of the kids in the Quebec TV show. It is so funny. And people take this serious. haha (that's the best of it).

 

 

 

At least you read and made objective comments

 

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 2:52 PM, Guest Wtf said:

A global pandemic is new for all of us and we are all interpreting the data and news available with our own biases and reacting from there to form our opinions and guesses. 

A global pandemic is new to all? Or is it just that we have never learnt anything from the past? Wasn't the Spanish Flu a global pandemic that killed so many after the Great War? Weren't other diseases like the Black Death?

 

The only new variables in this COVID pandemic are the closely-connected nature of the world today, as well as the emergence of social media.

[singalion]

On 2/7/2022 at 10:46 PM, sgmaven said:

You either missed the point of my post, or are just trying to ignore it. I believe that proper segregation of people coming into Singapore, with adequate testing could have been done.

 

We are all speculating on what could have been anyway. It is far too late at this juncture to rein in the spread of the Omicron variant on our shores... The "endemic" approach has led to the high numbers. We don't know what the long-term consequences of the spread of the virus in the community. Time will tell. Hopefully, it wouldn't be as dire...

 

But again, take the government cost and management requirements.

 

Even with the bigger threats of Alpha to Delta variants, the government permitted travellers to go back to their home to self isolate.

The problem starts here. In the usual setting of 2 (in some cases 3) generations in one house, were the people able to really separate?

Did you ever look at the list of do's and don'ts for the home self isolation or home quarantine?

 

On the other hand, countries like Thailand with strict hotel quarantine, the virus still spread into the community.

 

The Government is just taking a more realistic approach on the defence against Covid.

Omicron being less severe in the impact.

The vaccination status.

And looking at the cost of countering infections...

 

But the they should have advised people here more often on how to protect the vulnerable or reduce risk.

They might have been advised to re-introduce the Work From Home scheme more stringently for a month.

 

 

 

[singalion]

Unfortunately, you can read a lot of unscientific posts here.

 

For example: mask wearing doesn't prevent getting infected even if also the covid spreader is wearing a mask also if you are in a small enclosed room or elevator. The virus load in the aerosols is still much too high and will infect the other person.

Which means, you can sit inside a security guard house next to your colleague, both wearing masks does not prevent to infect the other.

You can reduce the persons inside lifts (has anyone ever checked the amount of people in lifts?) but if you are unlucky, you get infected.

 

for Delta the government re-implemented the total amount of mall visitors, for Omicron they don't do.

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/8/2022 at 5:53 PM, sgmaven said:

A global pandemic is new to all? Or is it just that we have never learnt anything from the past? Wasn't the Spanish Flu a global pandemic that killed so many after the Great War? Weren't other diseases like the Black Death?

 

The only new variables in this COVID pandemic are the closely-connected nature of the world today, as well as the emergence of social media.

Wow, you were alive during tbe 1918 pandemic and you are still here and commenting so many years later! Congratulations! 

[sgmaven]

There is continual misleading messaging during this pandemic. Take the latest government "propaganda" to get kids vaccinated, by saying it will protect their loved ones (ie. their grandparents). This is still being propagated, when we already know that the viral load in a vaccinated kid is the same as the viral load in an unvaccinated kid. If so, what is the impact of "protecting their loved ones"?

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 6:06 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Wow, you were alive during tbe 1918 pandemic and you are still here and commenting so many years later! Congratulations! 

Someone obviously doesn't read history then...

[sgmaven]

Events like the outbreak of Ebola have really been controlled by quarantine zones, limiting travel, and waiting for the outbreak to "burn itself out" due to its virulence. There have been numerous Ebola outbreaks to date, as well as outbreaks of SARS-type viruses from the original SARS, to MERS. All these diseases could easily have become global pandemics, if it were not well nipped in the bud. You tell me we have not experienced these?

[singalion]

On 2/8/2022 at 5:53 PM, sgmaven said:

A global pandemic is new to all? Or is it just that we have never learnt anything from the past?

 

We learnt a little from the past.

 

Don't forget there was already Sars in 2003.

 

But travel reductions and arrival checks reduced the spread for the 2003 Sars (in Singapore).

 

Funny to me is that plenty of the "influenza" type of virus originated from China...

 

There is some recent research that the Spanish Flu originated in China also.

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/8/2022 at 6:13 PM, sgmaven said:

Events like the outbreak of Ebola have really been controlled by quarantine zones, limiting travel, and waiting for the outbreak to "burn itself out" due to its virulence. There have been numerous Ebola outbreaks to date, as well as outbreaks of SARS-type viruses from the original SARS, to MERS. All these diseases could easily have become global pandemics, if it were not well nipped in the bud. You tell me we have not experienced these?

They could easily have become global pandemics but didn, therefore ‘a global pandemic is new to us all.’

 

apart from for you, somehow, who has managed to experience a global pandemic by reading about the 1918 pandemic and the black death. What other periods in history have you experienced through your reading?