Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[singalion]

On 2/8/2022 at 6:13 PM, sgmaven said:

Events like the outbreak of Ebola have really been controlled by quarantine zones, limiting travel, and waiting for the outbreak to "burn itself out" due to its virulence. There have been numerous Ebola outbreaks to date, as well as outbreaks of SARS-type viruses from the original SARS, to MERS. All these diseases could easily have become global pandemics, if it were not well nipped in the bud. You tell me we have not experienced these?

 

If you take Covid-19, to me it is human error.

it seems that the Covid spread started in autumn but was ignored or the news supressed by local politicians as they always fear retribution.

Best signs to me were the fact that scientists and doctors were silenced.

 

Had China acted much earlier and disallowing travel, it might have been better contained.

 

Whether the origin was a natural cause or an accident in that Biological Institute, we will probably never know. I don't think China will have a policy to open public records for inspection in the next 50 or 75 years.

(Maybe a young Singaporean gay reads this in 2072? )

 

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 6:33 PM, singalion said:

If you take Covid-19, to me it is human error.

it seems that the Covid spread started in autumn but was ignored or the news supressed by local politicians as they always fear retribution.

Best signs to me were the fact that scientists and doctors were silenced.

Frankly, I think it would have happened, whatever country the virus surfaced in. Be it by ignorance, suppression of news/information or what not. Most local politicians do not have what it takes to handle a new disease outbreak.

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 6:31 PM, Guest Wtf said:

They could easily have become global pandemics but didn, therefore ‘a global pandemic is new to us all.’

 

apart from for you, somehow, who has managed to experience a global pandemic by reading about the 1918 pandemic and the black death. What other periods in history have you experienced through your reading? 

Someone seems to have the idea that you have to personally live through an event to learn from it, thus negating the importance of academic subjects like history. If you only learn things through your own personal physical experience, then perhaps even TV and the Internet are not good information for educating yourself.

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/8/2022 at 7:28 PM, sgmaven said:

Someone seems to have the idea that you have to personally live through an event to learn from it, thus negating the importance of academic subjects like history. If you only learn things through your own personal physical experience, then perhaps even TV and the Internet are not good information for educating yourself.

carry on being pedantic and completely missing the point.

 

and then carry on praying and complaining and talking about all the things that should have been done, based on all your learned knowledge (which is somehow equivalent to having lived through previous global pandemics) and incredible hindsight. 

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 7:48 PM, Guest Wtf said:

carry on being pedantic and completely missing the point.

 

and then carry on praying and complaining and talking about all the things that should have been done, based on all your learned knowledge (which is somehow equivalent to having lived through previous global pandemics) and incredible hindsight. 

Better than someone who resorts to personal attacks, when he realises that his own POV does not hold much water and is based on mere speculation.

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:11 PM, sgmaven said:

Better than someone who resorts to personal attacks, when he realises that his own POV does not hold much water and is based on mere speculation.

As I said to @singalion, let’s come back in six months time and see who was right. I look forward to your answers then. 

[singalion]

On 2/8/2022 at 7:25 PM, sgmaven said:

Frankly, I think it would have happened, whatever country the virus surfaced in. Be it by ignorance, suppression of news/information or what not. Most local politicians do not have what it takes to handle a new disease outbreak.

 

Please regret if I strongly object to it.

 

In Western European countries something like this would have had reporting.

The doctors would have highlighted it. There is no way that it keeps out of the news.

Then Governments must act.

 

Eg: There was a big issue on multi-resistent hospital germs in European hospitals. The deaths were just too much.

 

The only problem with Western governments are that it takes a certain time until awareness is reached or countermeasures set in place or certain democratic rules respected (because measures must be approved in parliaments etc).

 

I don't think you can compare the situation with China.

Media is just too controlled.

Any backlash to governments, local governments or anything is just supressed.

And reaction in China could be even faster, because there is no need for any parliament to approve.

But what happens, local governors keep silent and try to hide issues because they don't want to be blamed later for having done something wrong.

If you look at the initial stage of Covid in China, it is recorded how doctors were forced to keep quiet until it was too late.

 

Does anyone here really believe the death numbers from the first wave of Covid-19 from China???

If you do, then there is no need to further discuss.

 

There are other diseases. China has been trying for years to avoid any reports of swine flu.

There were many outbreaks in neighbouring countries, but China always denied being the originating country.

 

 

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:27 PM, singalion said:

Please regret if I strongly object to it.

Well, like I said, it either first gets suppressed by the government until it "explodes in their faces", and they take very swift and drastic measures (like China), or it slowly filters out through the scientific community, but the "democratic government" languishes until the situation becomes dire, and the inertia of the civil service can be overcome to tackle the situation. Both ways, there will be lots of unnecessary deaths.

[Guest Guest]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:27 PM, singalion said:

 

Please regret if I strongly object to it.

 

In Western European countries something like this would have had reporting.

The doctors would have highlighted it. There is no way that it keeps out of the news.

Then Governments must act.

 

Eg: There was a big issue on multi-resistent hospital germs in European hospitals. The deaths were just too much.

 

The only problem with Western governments are that it takes a certain time until awareness is reached or countermeasures set in place or certain democratic rules respected (because measures must be approved in parliaments etc).

 

I don't think you can compare the situation with China.

Media is just too controlled.

Any backlash to governments, local governments or anything is just supressed.

And reaction in China could be even faster, because there is no need for any parliament to approve.

But what happens, local governors keep silent and try to hide issues because they don't want to be blamed later for having done something wrong.

If you look at the initial stage of Covid in China, it is recorded how doctors were forced to keep quiet until it was too late.

 

Does anyone here really believe the death numbers from the first wave of Covid-19 from China???

If you do, then there is no need to further discuss.

 

There are other diseases. China has been trying for years to avoid any reports of swine flu.

There were many outbreaks in neighbouring countries, but China always denied being the originating country.

 

 

How can you not trust China? It has been most successful in controlling covid in the entire world, and FYI there is no evidence that COVID originated from China. 

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:21 PM, Guest Wtf said:

As I said to @singalion, let’s come back in six months time and see who was right. I look forward to your answers then. 

A man keeps insisting that it is 4pm, whatever time it is during the day. At noon, you know that he is wrong. 4 hours later, it is 4pm, and he is right. Was he right in the first place?

[singalion]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:11 PM, sgmaven said:

Better than someone who resorts to personal attacks, when he realises that his own POV does not hold much water and is based on mere speculation.

 

On 2/8/2022 at 9:21 PM, Guest Wtf said:

As I said to @singalion, let’s come back in six months time and see who was right. I look forward to your answers then. 

 

As you pull me into the picture:

My point is always:

However, personal attacks are not required at all.

Someone who has to resort to personal attacks in my view already lost his case.

 

You WTF have a habit to start ridicule all people who contradict your point and at the end you can only resort to insults and attacks.

By no way that is any debate culture.

 

If you can't make your point by substantiation or evidence, then there is no need to attack others.

Sure everyone can have a personal opinion, but that is not what is factual.

 

I might object to certain views or points made, but I would not go and write a 5 word response just containing attacks.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by singalion

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:32 PM, Guest Guest said:

How can you not trust China? It has been most successful in controlling covid in the entire world, and FYI there is no evidence that COVID originated from China. 

I will take your words as being very sarcastic...😀

[singalion]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:31 PM, sgmaven said:

Well, like I said, it either first gets suppressed by the government until it "explodes in their faces", and they take very swift and drastic measures (like China), or it slowly filters out through the scientific community, but the "democratic government" languishes until the situation becomes dire, and the inertia of the civil service can be overcome to tackle the situation. Both ways, there will be lots of unnecessary deaths.

 

You don't think they acted quite fast when the news broke out in February/March 2020?

I think so.

Usually such countries would take months to make a decision and present something for a vote in their parliaments.

 

I point some blame on China for not having alerted the rest of the world on a much earlier stage.

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:35 PM, singalion said:

You don't think they acted quite fast when the news broke out in February/March 2020?

I think so.

Usually such countries would take months to make a decision and present something for a vote in their parliaments.

 

I point some blame on China for not having alerted the rest of the world on a much earlier stage.

How many deaths occurred in Europe (outside China) and the US, before they actually took the necessary measures? Trump was even saying that it would "just go away". Remember that?

 

It is easy for pointing the finger at China, but if it weren't for the subsequent hard lockdown around Wuhan, the world would have had even less time to react to SARS-CoV2. You can blame the Wuhan local government for the initial suppression of the news, but what happened subsequently lockdown and all, benefited the entire world by slowing the spread of the pandemic. It was just that most governments just sat around doing nothing, until the situation exploded in their faces.

[singalion]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:21 PM, Guest Wtf said:

As I said to @singalion, let’s come back in six months time and see who was right. I look forward to your answers then. 

 

I don't want to wait 6 months.

 

I prefer to be a bit more restrictive on measures for the next 6 months instead of having 300 additional Covid deaths.

 

To be honest, as someone used to much more liberty, I don't find the current restrictions too restrictive in any way.

Surely, I dislike wearing masks, surely I miss certain events, surely it is bad if malls are overcrowded and you can't access, surely I miss travelling to other countries, but for the sake of less death and society  I have no issue to go on with the current measures for another months.

 

In Europe they still have laws that for small shops like bakeries only two customers are allowed to enter and other things. We don't even have such restrictions here.

 

[singalion]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:40 PM, sgmaven said:

How many deaths occurred in Europe (outside China) and the US, before they actually took the necessary measures? Trump was even saying that it would "just go away". Remember that?

 

It is easy for pointing the finger at China, but if it weren't for the subsequent hard lockdown around Wuhan, the world would have had even less time to react to SARS-CoV2. You can blame the Wuhan local government for the initial suppression of the news, but what happened subsequently lockdown and all, benefited the entire world by slowing the spread of the pandemic. It was just that most governments just sat around doing nothing, until the situation exploded in their faces.

 

Wasn't talking on US. (You can refer to my posts at the US thread... )

US is a different thing.

With that president in 2020 in denial, what do yo expect...

 

The country in Europe that reacted a bit too slow was the UK.

The rest came with swift lock downs. In particular once as the news broke from Italy on the huge amount of deaths.

 

About China:

You forgot that China had a lockdown in Wuhan or the province but did not restrict outbound traveling from Chinese.

That was the issue how most of the virus spread to Europe and other parts.

 

[Guest Fuck covid]

Calm down, guys!  the discussion is getting too heated, here's a meme to lighten the mood (to be just taken as a joke)

Let's just hope things get back to normal soon. No one wants lockdowns or stricter measures(except on Guest on BW)

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:44 PM, singalion said:

The country in Europe that reacted a bit too slow was the UK.

The rest came with swift lock downs. In particular once as the news broke from Italy on the huge amount of deaths.

Don't you think that countries like Italy and Spain reacted slowly? By the time they detected their first cases, word was already out about COVID. Considering how porous borders are in Europe, I was surprised that so many countries did not shut borders faster. Compare that with how they reacted when Omicron was first detected in South Africa, and they started banning flights from South Africa and surrounding countries almost immediately.

 

On 2/8/2022 at 9:44 PM, singalion said:

About China:

You forgot that China had a lockdown in Wuhan or the province but did not restrict outbound traveling from Chinese.

That was the issue how most of the virus spread to Europe and other parts.

Do not forget that at that stage, not many cases had been detected outside Wuhan and the surrounding cities.

[singalion]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:55 PM, sgmaven said:

Do not forget that at that stage, not many cases had been detected outside Wuhan and the surrounding cities.

 

Can you be sure it didn't?

 

There were reports that the virus had spread from or /to other places (not Wuhan) because action from the Chinese government was slow.

 

Models on virus spread have stated a time from August - October 2019 for the start of spread.

 

ARTE the European TV channel reported on this in a documentary some months back.

 

There are plenty of articles

https://www.livescience.com/how-early-was-coronavirus-covid-circulating.html

 

Here is one.

 

The problem is that the Chinese government disallowed the examination of blood samples and just permitted samples from two cases in Wuhan to be taken by the WHO researchers.

 

The WHO has just started a new initiative to get the Chinese government to open the documents.

 

ZURICH, Feb 5 (Reuters) - The head of the World Health Organization said on Saturday he had discussed with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang the need for stronger collaboration on the origins of COVID-19, a subject of controversy that has strained Beijing's relations with the West.

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has previously pressed China to be more forthcoming with data and information related to the origin of the virus.

 

[sgmaven]

On 2/8/2022 at 11:05 PM, singalion said:

Can you be sure it didn't?

 

There were reports that the virus had spread from or /to other places (not Wuhan) because action from the Chinese government was slow

No, I cannot be sure, since I am not privy to the information.

 

That said, lots can be speculated about the origins of the virus. However, do remember that not every country is quick to identify a new viral disease, and identify the first victims. Take the Omicron variant. Even though SARS-CoV2 had been circulating in the world at that point, it was South Africa who alerted the world about the emergence of this variant. Later testing and analysis revealed that the variant was older than what was initially suspected, and there were earlier victims of the variant from other countries in the region. People were quick to point the finger at South Africa, but it really was at the forefront of genomic testing of SARS-CoV2 in Africa, and hence was the first to detect the variant. For all we know, the SARS-CoV2 virus could have actually emerged in another country, but only was discovered in Wuhan due to the relatively high population density in China.

 

Yes, you can say that China's refusal to allow for further examination of blood samples is suspicious, but then again we don't know what their real reasons for preventing the further examination of the samples are.

[Guest Guest]

On 2/7/2022 at 11:10 PM, sgmaven said:

How do you know?

 

He "knows" because he is the retard here who will say anything and tell any lies, just so that he can earn more money and maybe also bring his entire village from overseas into the country. And he "knows" everything, to the extent that he can supposedly speak for the Ministers and even WHO.

 

 

 

 

 

On 2/8/2022 at 8:28 AM, Guest Wtf said:

I can’t say I ‘know’ but based on looking at the evidence and reading about the experience with omicron in other countries and also how/why previous pandemics have ended, I choose to be optimistic. 

 

Oh! Now you say you "can’t say I ‘know’ " and yet you can be so affirmative in telling others that the situation "won't be so dire" like below? The word 'won't' connotes a more definite occurrence; if we say "it won’t be so dire", we are indicating that there is no doubt about it. When we say "that may happen", we are specifically saying it may or it may not happen.

 

 

On 2/7/2022 at 10:50 PM, Guest Wtf said:

it won’t be so dire. 

 

You have any simple comprehension of English, retard? Shouldn't you go back to your bunker kindergarten to learn your ABCs again?  

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/9/2022 at 8:06 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

He "knows" because he is the retard here who will say anything and tell any lies, just so that he can earn more money and maybe also bring his entire village from overseas into the country. And he "knows" everything, to the extent that he can supposedly speak for the Ministers and even WHO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh! Now you say you "can’t say I ‘know’ " and yet you can be so affirmative in telling others that the situation "won't be so dire" like below? The word 'won't' connotes a more definite occurrence; if we say "it won’t be so dire", we are indicating that there is no doubt about it. When we say "that may happen", we are specifically saying it may or it may not happen.

 

 

 

You have any simple comprehension of English, retard? Shouldn't you go back to your bunker kindergarten to learn your ABCs again?  

I guess the internet access is M/W/F at IMH this week… keep on trolling 🤡 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/8/2022 at 11:05 PM, singalion said:

 

Can you be sure it didn't?

 

There were reports that the virus had spread from or /to other places (not Wuhan) because action from the Chinese government was slow.

 

Models on virus spread have stated a time from August - October 2019 for the start of spread.

 

ARTE the European TV channel reported on this in a documentary some months back.

 

There are plenty of articles

https://www.livescience.com/how-early-was-coronavirus-covid-circulating.html

 

Here is one.

 

The problem is that the Chinese government disallowed the examination of blood samples and just permitted samples from two cases in Wuhan to be taken by the WHO researchers.

 

The WHO has just started a new initiative to get the Chinese government to open the documents.

 

ZURICH, Feb 5 (Reuters) - The head of the World Health Organization said on Saturday he had discussed with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang the need for stronger collaboration on the origins of COVID-19, a subject of controversy that has strained Beijing's relations with the West.

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has previously pressed China to be more forthcoming with data and information related to the origin of the virus.

 

 

First and foremost, it is already accepted by the general world that the virus originated from Wuhan, looking at how it was epicenter of the pandemic at the beginning, regardless any models on virus spread stating that it started at a time from August - October 2019.

 

Secondly, even if they are not the the place where the first virus originated, they are still the place where the tipping point happened and created the global mess now. And all these happened at the beginning because of their inactivity. At this time and age, there is no arguing of that.

 

So regardless if anyone wanted to split hair and define the spread of the virus as the place where the virus was first created or not, China will remain guilty as charged for being the first (epicenter) to spread the virus, including allowing lockdown info to be leaked, and thereby allowing Wuhan residents to escape into other countries, including Singapore, to cause the spread.  

[Guest Guest]

On 2/9/2022 at 8:17 AM, Guest Wtf said:

I guess the internet access is M/W/F at IMH this week… keep on trolling 🤡 

 

And of course, only the permanent residents at IMH himself would know such things and such acronyms, wouldn't they?  

[Guest Guest]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:21 PM, Guest Wtf said:

As I said to @singalion, let’s come back in six months time and see who was right. I look forward to your answers then. 

 

Hahahaha! Even if half the population drop dead from COVID in six months time, you will still declare victory and claim that you are right, simply because YOU HAVE ALREADAY EARNED YOUR MONEY in that time, right? While the rest of us care more about people's LIVES, your measure as to who is right and who is wrong is based on how much MONEY you alone have earned and how many of your villagers you have brought in, right??    

[Guest CECA]

On 2/9/2022 at 9:37 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Hahahaha! Even if half the population drop dead from COVID in six months time, you will still declare victory and claim that you are right, simply because YOU HAVE ALREADAY EARNED YOUR MONEY in that time, right? While the rest of us care more about people's LIVES, your measure as to who is right and who is wrong is based on how much MONEY you alone have earned and how many of your villagers you have brought in, right??    

I enjoy seeing some ignorant people like this still doing KPKB about CECA

[singalion]

On 2/9/2022 at 3:50 AM, sgmaven said:

No, I cannot be sure, since I am not privy to the information.

 

That said, lots can be speculated about the origins of the virus. However, do remember that not every country is quick to identify a new viral disease, and identify the first victims. Take the Omicron variant. Even though SARS-CoV2 had been circulating in the world at that point, it was South Africa who alerted the world about the emergence of this variant. Later testing and analysis revealed that the variant was older than what was initially suspected, and there were earlier victims of the variant from other countries in the region. People were quick to point the finger at South Africa, but it really was at the forefront of genomic testing of SARS-CoV2 in Africa, and hence was the first to detect the variant. For all we know, the SARS-CoV2 virus could have actually emerged in another country, but only was discovered in Wuhan due to the relatively high population density in China.

 

Yes, you can say that China's refusal to allow for further examination of blood samples is suspicious, but then again we don't know what their real reasons for preventing the further examination of the samples are.

 

Do you think Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique and Malawi have a first class alert system, when it comes to any virus?

Do you think that people in these countries go to the doctor like Singaporeans going to the General Practitioner (not just for MC)?

 

There are different theories spreading (by renown scientists and "shamans") on the origins of Omicron.

One theory line argues that the virus went from humans to rodents (mutated) and then back to humans, others say the treatment with molnupiravir caused the mutation...

 

Same as for the origin, not sure we will ever know the real cause of the Omicron variant.

At least South Africa opened all facts to the scientists.

 

China had been advised to open all registers, it had been the best measure to prevent any suspicion that the country needs to hide certain facts.

Now it looks again like the bad guy on the block.

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/9/2022 at 1:20 PM, Guest CECA said:

I enjoy seeing some ignorant people like this still doing KPKB about CECA

 

People even happier telling truths. So you happy, people happy, everyone happy. Yay...

[singalion]

While some here cry 哭爸哭母, still run on those myths that foreigners take jobs of locals and forget their very own immigrant origins... 

other "countries" seem to fight against Covid becoming "endemic" within their borders.

Approx 3000 new cases at much higher population in one weekd compared to 5,000 - 6,000 daily at certain island states...

 

But the drive for Lam could be from the "at all costs" defence policy on Covid imposed from a bigger country nearby... that might be the underlying reason for the harsher policy.

 

 

Hong Kong imposes strictest COVID-19 curbs as daily cases hit new high for second day running

 

Hong Kong’s leader announced the city’s strictest COVID-19 restrictions to date on Tuesday, including banning multi-household private gatherings and barring the unvaccinated from supermarkets, as new cases rose to 625, a record for the second day in a row.

 

Speaking to reporters after her weekly Executive Council meeting, Chief Executive Carrie Lam said the new measures include banning gatherings of more than two households in private places from Thursday, and closing hair salons and religious venues from Thursday to Feb. 23. 

 

Premises including gyms and beauty parlors, which were earlier ordered to close till Feb. 18, will also be asked to remain shuttered till Feb. 23. 

 

For the cross-household private gathering ban, officials conceded that they would not proactively seek to enforce the regulation, but would take actions if they find such violations later such as during the contract tracing process.

 

Authorities added that caregivers from a different household will not be counted as such, hence a gathering can take place with two different households and a caregiver who does not live with them.

 

The cap on gatherings in public places will be lowered from four to two from Thursday.

 

The announcement of the new measures came as the city reported 625 new cases on Tuesday, with 621 local infections.

 

Health officials added there were 2,628 confirmed cases reported in the last two weeks.

 

The source for 898 of these infections still cannot be traced; most of them found in districts such as Sha Tin, Sham Shui Po, Kowloon City and Kwai Tsing.

 

More than 85 percent are of the Omicron variant.

 

Authorities said many of the cases originated from cross-family gatherings.

 

Lam also said six more venues will be added to the list of premises that require a vaccine pass for entry.

 

They are religious venues, hair salons, supermarkets, markets, shopping centres and department stores, which are in addition to places such as restaurants and cinemas that will be closed to the unvaccinated from Feb. 24, 2022.

 

“We have not made it mandatory to get vaccinated through legislation. We have not reached this stage… We are just making it inconvenient… We are using very tough measures because we have to protect Hong Kong,” said Lam.

 

She added she has given enough time for the public to get jabbed, despite some complaining of difficulties in making bookings for vaccination.

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by singalion

[sgmaven]

On 2/9/2022 at 3:27 PM, singalion said:

Do you think Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique and Malawi have a first class alert system, when it comes to any virus?

Do you think that people in these countries go to the doctor like Singaporeans going to the General Practitioner (not just for MC)?

Exactly! Just the same thing could happen in many places, and we would be none the wiser, until it spreads to a place with significant population density and development for it to be detected.

 

You can say that China withholding information of the origins of SARS-CoV2 is suspicious, and I will give you that, but it still does not mean anything.

[singalion]

On 2/9/2022 at 4:07 PM, sgmaven said:

You can say that China withholding information of the origins of SARS-CoV2 is suspicious, and I will give you that, but it still does not mean anything.

 

However your last point speaks volumes why China should have released the data or more data.

 

Because in the end it will never be 100% conclusive.

 

Then, what was the risk of exposing the data?

 

Just look at Putin, the one opposition guy was poisoned with this Novichok but is there any 100% conclusive evidence it was instructed by Putin or originated from Russia?

He can just go on and deny. And nobody can do anything against it.

 

Same would have been with China.

In the end they just can keep opposing and denying any outcome.

 

Now it looks to the world that China has to hide something.

 

If you read such scientific essays there is never any 100% , but this "may" , more or less plausible language...

 

 

 

[sgmaven]

You never know why China is withholding the data. There could be other reasons, perhaps linked to national security. If this were the case, then they would rather not release the data, even if it makes them look bad/guilty...

[singalion]

 

Drop?

 

 

New local Covid-19 cases in Singapore drop to 10,175; patients hospitalised increase to 1,205

ST 9 Feb 2022

 

The number of new locally transmitted cases fell to 10,175 from 12,791 on Tuesday, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its daily update.

Of the new local cases on Wednesday, 2,514 were detected through polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests.

Another 7,661 cases were detected through antigen rapid tests (ART), which means the patients displayed no symptoms or their symptoms were mild. 

 

Four people died of Covid-19, MOH said.

 

 

 

Wasn't the 13,000 new cases recently explained as a backlog from CNY???

[lonelyglobe]

First 2 day after CNY when the cases shoot past 10k,  they give excuse that is because most clinic close and the 2 day's number should be divided by 4.

 

Then 1 week after CNY, still got 10k,  i wonder what can they say? Oh, maybe can say CNY is celebrated over 15 days even though ALL clinics already open.

 

Why is it so difficult for the white monkeys to admit infection already went out of control? 

[sgmaven]

Well, if you look at the behaviour of the general public during the first 2 days of CNY and CNY Eve, you will note that many of them flouted the rules limiting each household to 5 unique visitors a day. It is thus not surprising that with the infectiousness of the Omicron variant, that the number of cases will balloon.

 

In actual fact, I am sure that they know that the spread is already out of control. However, this fits their "endemic" approach to the virus. As long as the hospitals and ICUs do not get overloaded, such that they cannot cope with other medical procedures. That is why they keep telling the public to recover at home, and only go to the hospitals if they experience very severe symptoms.

 

As I have mentioned before, there are 2 sets of people in Singapore. Those who have no choice but to go to work in their workplace, travelling by public transport, and living in high-density public housing with a lot of shared facilities that increase the likelihood of community spread; and those who can elect to work remotely, drive their own car, and live in a private house.

 

Even if the second set of people come down with COVID, they are likely to get the best medical care in premium wards of private hospitals, with cutting edge medicine. Those from the first set, will have to recover at home, using paracetamol and hope that symptoms do not get worse, and the virus does not spread to the other members of their household.

 

I am not sure if you realise what medicines they prescribe in publicly-subsidised polyclinics and hospitals. Some of the things they prescribe for the flu in polyclinics, I know, are just better dumped into the bin. Too bad, you have already paid for it, though it is "subsidised" in cost. I wonder if you can actually refuse those medications, and hence avoid payment?

[Guest Expect]

On 2/10/2022 at 1:13 AM, lonelyglobe said:

First 2 day after CNY when the cases shoot past 10k,  they give excuse that is because most clinic close and the 2 day's number should be divided by 4.

 

Then 1 week after CNY, still got 10k,  i wonder what can they say? Oh, maybe can say CNY is celebrated over 15 days even though ALL clinics already open.

 

Why is it so difficult for the white monkeys to admit infection already went out of control? 

Please la! Way back before CNY, they have declare that you will see more than 30k per day, now is just dessert. You are just reading one piece of news to make a mountain out of a molehill.

 

This is a pandemic and you want freedom but when they put pressure on freedom you made noise. What you want them to do? Close all gyms and swimming pools? Close all saunas and onsens? Or close all market and shopping malls?

[Guest Guest]

On 2/10/2022 at 3:00 AM, Guest Expect said:

Please la! Way back before CNY, they have declare that you will see more than 30k per day, now is just dessert. You are just reading one piece of news to make a mountain out of a molehill.

 

This is a pandemic and you want freedom but when they put pressure on freedom you made noise. What you want them to do? Close all gyms and swimming pools? Close all saunas and onsens? Or close all market and shopping malls?

 

So, making a declaration that we will see more than 30k per day makes it OK for us to see more than 10k per day now?

 

How about they make a declaration that we will see more than 100k per day, I guess that makes it OK for us to see more than 60k per day? Better still, why don't they just declare that more than half our population will drop dead from COVID soon, I guess that will be OK for you if only 10% of the population die from it? Or maybe you will only find it not OK only when they spell out your family member names one by one and tell you specifically which one of them they want to die from COVID? 

 

Please la! Use your brains a bit. 

[Guest Guest]

Anyway, it's after Covid infection, right? So, who cares anyway? As long as people earn their money now, who cares what happens after that? One year on, people will be opening champagne to claim "victory" against COVID and say that the endemic living is the "right" way of life anyway. 

 

https://www.asiaone.com/world/covid-19-patients-are-more-likely-develop-heart-problems-even-year-later-study-finds?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1AL7n9LnUYgHANbGWa3fZIluwoGWLS34bvjilNuVaWtsjrftxIdg3b_E8#Echobox=1644387570

 

Covid-19 patients are more likely to develop heart problems - even a year later, study finds

FEBRUARY 09, 2022PUBLISHED AT 10:06 AMBy ZHUANG PINGHUI SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST

People who have had Covid-19 are at higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and it can happen a year after infection, according to an analysis of US health data by Washington University researchers.

 

Those complications include disruptive heart rhythms, inflammation of the heart, blood clots, stroke, coronary artery disease, heart attack, heart failure or even death, said the study published in the journal Nature Medicine on Monday (Feb 7).

 

The researchers said previously healthy people and young people were among those who had developed such heart problems.

Senior author Ziyad Al-Aly, an assistant professor at Washington University’s School of Medicine in St Louis, said governments and health systems should be prepared to deal with “the likely significant contribution” of the Covid-19 pandemic to a rise in cardiovascular disease.

 

“Because of the chronic nature of these conditions, they will likely have long-lasting consequences for patients and health systems and also have broad implications on economic productivity and life expectancy,” Al-Aly wrote on Twitter on Monday. “Addressing the challenges posed by long Covid will require a much needed, but so far lacking, urgent and coordinated long-term global response strategy.”

 

For the study, the researchers analysed anonymous medical records in a database kept by the US Department of Veterans Affairs. They looked at the records of 153,760 people who had tested positive for Covid-19 from March 1, 2020 to Jan 15, 2021. This health information was compared with that of two control groups: more than 5.6 million patients who did not have Covid-19 during that period; and over 5.8 million people who were patients in 2017, before the pandemic.

The study did not give details of which coronavirus variants people were infected with or how many had been vaccinated, but vaccines were not widely available in the period and the Delta and Omicron strains had yet to emerge.

 

Heart health was followed and analysed over a period of about a year. The researchers found that cardiovascular disease – including heart failure and death – occurred in 4 per cent more people who had been infected with Covid-19 than who had not.

 

Compared to those in the control groups, people who had contracted Covid-19 were 72 per cent more likely to suffer from coronary artery disease, 63 per cent more likely to have a heart attack, and 52 per cent more likely to have a stroke.

 

The researchers said the risk of developing heart problems after having Covid-19 was evident regardless of age, sex and other cardiovascular risk factors – including obesity, hypertension, diabetes and chronic kidney disease – and could develop in people who had not previously had cardiovascular disease.

 

They said the risk was also evident among those who had not been hospitalised during the acute phase of the disease – a group representing the majority of people who have had Covid-19. And the risk increased according to the severity spectrum of Covid-19 they experienced, from non-hospitalisation to hospitalisation and intensive care.

 

The researchers concluded there was substantial risk of developing cardiovascular problems after going through the acute phase of Covid-19, even after a year, and that care strategies after infection should include attention to heart health and disease.

 

“The findings emphasise the need for continued optimisation of strategies for primary prevention of Sars-CoV-2 infections,” the authors wrote, referring to the virus that causes Covid-19. “The best way to prevent long Covid and its myriad complications, including the risk of serious cardiovascular sequelae, is to prevent Sars-CoV-2 infection in the first place.”

 

Given the growing number of people globally with Covid-19, this risk could potentially affect a large number of people around the world, according to the researchers.

 

More than 397 million people have been infected with the virus worldwide, with more than 5.75 million deaths, since the pandemic began.

 

[lonelyglobe]

On 2/10/2022 at 3:00 AM, Guest Expect said:

Please la! Way back before CNY, they have declare that you will see more than 30k per day, now is just dessert. You are just reading one piece of news to make a mountain out of a molehill.

 

This is a pandemic and you want freedom but when they put pressure on freedom you made noise. What you want them to do? Close all gyms and swimming pools? Close all saunas and onsens? Or close all market and shopping malls?

Dont be stupid, go back to my post in early Dec, i already expect a omicron tsunami in SG, the reason for them to say it will be over 10k so that when it happen,  they can say already inform you and if it dont happen, they can claim is because they have manage it well, is like head or tail they also win, got it? My question is why is it so difficult to admit mistake? 

[Guest ffffffff]

https://mothership.sg/2022/02/covid-19-over-in-sweden/

[sgmaven]

On 2/10/2022 at 10:03 AM, lonelyglobe said:

My question is why is it so difficult to admit mistake? 

Because it pertains to their mandate to rule. It has always been an unspoken contract that the people should just be obedient and obey the laws and rules, and the government will take care of the rest. They being all-knowing, and us being ignorant. If they admit that they were wrong, then it goes against that premise.

 

To me, it is part of the growing pains of a democracy. Taiwan was like that not that long ago too...

[singalion]

On 2/10/2022 at 8:20 PM, sgmaven said:

Because it pertains to their mandate to rule. It has always been an unspoken contract that the people should just be obedient and obey the laws and rules, and the government will take care of the rest. They being all-knowing, and us being ignorant. If they admit that they were wrong, then it goes against that premise.

 

To me, it is part of the growing pains of a democracy. Taiwan was like that not that long ago too...

 

But don't you think "they" are overdoing?

 

A bit more humanity and people would understand. 

 

Nobody is perfect. Error is human. 

 

How can anyone predict anything of Covid even 70%?

 

 

[sgmaven]

On 2/10/2022 at 11:30 PM, singalion said:

 

But don't you think "they" are overdoing?

 

A bit more humanity and people would understand. 

 

Nobody is perfect. Error is human. 

 

How can anyone predict anything of Covid even 70%?

 

 

Of course I do, but that would make them look "normal"! They want to continue to propagate the idea of their elite status...

[singalion]

New local Covid-19 cases in Singapore triple to 13,046; 6 more deaths reported

Published 4 Feb 2022,

SINGAPORE - The number of locally transmitted Covid-19 cases in Singapore has tripled, with 13,046 cases reported as at noon on Friday (Feb 4).

There were 4,087 cases reported on Thursday.

Six more people died of Covid-19.

7,639 new local Covid-19 cases in S'pore; 1,074 patients hospitalised

 

Published 6 Feb 2022, 10:02 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - The total number of locally transmitted Covid-19 cases in Singapore fell to 7,639 on Sunday (Feb 6), down from 10,208 the day before.

However, the number of people hospitalised with Covid-19 rose to 1,074 cases, up six from the 1,068 cases on Saturday, said the Ministry of Health in its daily update.

Three more people died of Covid-19, up from the two deaths reported on Saturday

 

7,629 new local Covid-19 cases in Singapore; 1,165 patients hospitalised

Published 7 Feb 2022,

SINGAPORE - There were 91 more patients hospitalised with Covid-19 on Monday (Feb 7), bringing the number to 1,165, from 1,074 the day before.

However, the number of new locally transmitted cases fell to 7,629 from 7,639 the day before, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its daily update.

This is the third day in a row hospitalisation numbers have crossed the 1,000 mark.

Three people died of Covid-19, MOH said on Monday.

 

Number of new local Covid-19 cases rises to 12,791 in S'pore; 1,194 patients hospitalised

 

Published 8 Feb 2022, 10:46 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - The total number of locally transmitted Covid-19 cases in Singapore rose to 12,791 on Tuesday (Feb 8), up from 7,629 the day before.

There were 29 more patients hospitalised with Covid-19, bringing the number to 1,194, up from 1,165 on Monday, said the Ministry of Health in its daily update.

This is the fourth day in a row hospitalisation numbers have crossed the 1,000 mark.

Three people died of Covid-19, MOH said.

 

New local Covid-19 cases in Singapore drop to 10,175; patients hospitalised increase to 1,205

 

Published 9 Feb 2022, 10:23 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - There were 1,205 hospitalised Covid-19 cases on Wednesday (Feb 9), with 30 patients in the intensive care unit (ICU).

Four people died of Covid-19, MOH said.

 

10,542 new local Covid-19 cases in S'pore; 1,212 patients hospitalised and 1 death

Published 10 Feb 2022, 10:15 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - A total of 1,212 people with Covid-19 were hospitalised on Thursday (Feb 10), up from the 1,205 cases the day before.

One person died, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its daily update.

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/11/2022 at 12:56 PM, singalion said:

New local Covid-19 cases in Singapore triple to 13,046; 6 more deaths reported

Published 4 Feb 2022,

SINGAPORE - The number of locally transmitted Covid-19 cases in Singapore has tripled, with 13,046 cases reported as at noon on Friday (Feb 4).

There were 4,087 cases reported on Thursday.

Six more people died of Covid-19.

7,639 new local Covid-19 cases in S'pore; 1,074 patients hospitalised

 

Published 6 Feb 2022, 10:02 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - The total number of locally transmitted Covid-19 cases in Singapore fell to 7,639 on Sunday (Feb 6), down from 10,208 the day before.

However, the number of people hospitalised with Covid-19 rose to 1,074 cases, up six from the 1,068 cases on Saturday, said the Ministry of Health in its daily update.

Three more people died of Covid-19, up from the two deaths reported on Saturday

 

7,629 new local Covid-19 cases in Singapore; 1,165 patients hospitalised

Published 7 Feb 2022,

SINGAPORE - There were 91 more patients hospitalised with Covid-19 on Monday (Feb 7), bringing the number to 1,165, from 1,074 the day before.

However, the number of new locally transmitted cases fell to 7,629 from 7,639 the day before, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its daily update.

This is the third day in a row hospitalisation numbers have crossed the 1,000 mark.

Three people died of Covid-19, MOH said on Monday.

 

Number of new local Covid-19 cases rises to 12,791 in S'pore; 1,194 patients hospitalised

 

Published 8 Feb 2022, 10:46 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - The total number of locally transmitted Covid-19 cases in Singapore rose to 12,791 on Tuesday (Feb 8), up from 7,629 the day before.

There were 29 more patients hospitalised with Covid-19, bringing the number to 1,194, up from 1,165 on Monday, said the Ministry of Health in its daily update.

This is the fourth day in a row hospitalisation numbers have crossed the 1,000 mark.

Three people died of Covid-19, MOH said.

 

New local Covid-19 cases in Singapore drop to 10,175; patients hospitalised increase to 1,205

 

Published 9 Feb 2022, 10:23 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - There were 1,205 hospitalised Covid-19 cases on Wednesday (Feb 9), with 30 patients in the intensive care unit (ICU).

Four people died of Covid-19, MOH said.

 

10,542 new local Covid-19 cases in S'pore; 1,212 patients hospitalised and 1 death

Published 10 Feb 2022, 10:15 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - A total of 1,212 people with Covid-19 were hospitalised on Thursday (Feb 10), up from the 1,205 cases the day before.

One person died, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its daily update.

 

 

what point are you trying to make? 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/11/2022 at 2:05 PM, Guest Wtf said:

what point are you trying to make? 

Another CB is needed to bring down the cases.

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/11/2022 at 3:12 PM, Guest Guest said:

Another CB is needed to bring down the cases.

same question as every time you say this: what are you going to do after another CB?

 

[Kimochi]

Now picture this :

 

Another new and more lethal virus outbreak. 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/11/2022 at 4:05 PM, Guest Wtf said:

same question as every time you say this: what are you going to do after another CB?

 

Wait wtf will ask you “what point are you trying to make?” …. 😅

[Guest Guest]

… referring to Kimochi’s response … 😅