Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest Guest]

On 2/13/2022 at 6:40 PM, Guest Berth said:

Actually 10,000 cases daily in SG is very high for a country with 5.5million people.  So we are not doing very well at all controlling the spread.
 

In Hong Kong, they have 1000+ cases per day and they are locking down. HK population is 7 million or so? 

 

... and New Zealand only have 20k cases since the onset of the pandemic almost 2 years ago, that's the number of cases Singapore has in 2 days. 

[singalion]

Is there any data how many Singaporeans rely on travel, tourism, MICE, entertainment etc, or work in these fields???

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/13/2022 at 6:52 PM, Guest Wtf said:

you find those measures proportionate for a virus where 99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic?
 

Wow. Well, you do you I guess. 

 

Oh ... and suddenly, your selective amnesia happened over here again, and you conveniently forgot that the transmissibility of the virus has gotten higher and you also forgot that you said "Of course, if there are more cases, there will be more deaths, nobody is denying that". How convenient! 

 

On 2/5/2022 at 5:17 PM, Guest Wtf said:

you still don’t understand statistics or percentages it seems? Of course, if there are more cases, there will be more deaths, nobody is denying that.

 

Oh! Wait! Wait! We all know what you are going to do next: say "covid bunkers", say "it's just the flu", claim poor comprehension on other people's part, fake ignorance, play retard.... Anything new? Something like you didn't write the post above and it was written by someone else?  

[Guest Guest]

On 2/13/2022 at 7:18 PM, singalion said:

Is there any data how many Singaporeans rely on travel, tourism, MICE, entertainment etc, or work in these fields???

 

 

 

There is as much data there as the data on hand with regards to the number of foreigners in Singapore who rely on travel, tourism, MICE, entertainment etc, or work in these fields. Do you have them? 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/13/2022 at 7:28 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Oh ... and suddenly, your selective amnesia happened over here again, and you conveniently forgot that the transmissibility of the virus has gotten higher and you also forgot that you said "Of course, if there are more cases, there will be more deaths, nobody is denying that". How convenient! 

 

 

Oh! Wait! Wait! We all know what you are going to do next: say "covid bunkers", say "it's just the flu", claim poor comprehension on other people's part, fake ignorance, play retard.... Anything new? Something like you didn't write the post above and it was written by someone else?  

What is this deranged rant actually trying to say? The sentences ‘Of course if there are more cases, there will be more deaths’ and ‘99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic’ are not contradictory in any way.
 

The 0.3% of severe cases will be 0.3% of however many cases there are. If that’s 1,000 cases, then there are 3 severe cases based on 0.3%, if there are 10,000, then it would be 30. You understand how percentages work, right?

 

Btw, as everybody claims that not all cases are being counted, then the 0.3% is likely to be overstated and the actual percentage even lower still. 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/13/2022 at 7:46 PM, Guest Wtf said:

What is this deranged rant actually trying to say? The sentences ‘Of course if there are more cases, there will be more deaths’ and ‘99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic’ are not contradictory in any way.
 

The 0.3% of severe cases will be 0.3% of however many cases there are. If that’s 1,000 cases, then there are 3 severe cases based on 0.3%, if there are 10,000, then it would be 30. You understand how percentages work, right?

 

Btw, as everybody claims that not all cases are being counted, then the 0.3% is likely to be overstated and the actual percentage even lower still. 

 

And here he is right on cue being the retard that he is, failing to connect the dots together and focusing only on the "99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic", while feigning ignorance on the increased number of deaths due to the increased transmissibility. Wtf is getting so predictable now. 

[Guest Wide Berth]

On 2/13/2022 at 6:52 PM, Guest Wtf said:

you find those measures proportionate for a virus where 99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic?
 

Wow. Well, you do you I guess. 
 

 

Why not proportionate when we are encountering 10,000 or so cases each day? 

[Guest Well said]

On 2/13/2022 at 6:53 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Anyone who doesn’t want to do quarantine uses VTL, Singaporean, PR or foreigner. So is your problem people not doing quarantine or foreigners or both? 

The problem is the number under VTL quota is too high. 

[Guest Berth]

On 2/13/2022 at 7:46 PM, Guest Wtf said:

What is this deranged rant actually trying to say? The sentences ‘Of course if there are more cases, there will be more deaths’ and ‘99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic’ are not contradictory in any way.
 

The 0.3% of severe cases will be 0.3% of however many cases there are. If that’s 1,000 cases, then there are 3 severe cases based on 0.3%, if there are 10,000, then it would be 30. You understand how percentages work, right?

 

Btw, as everybody claims that not all cases are being counted, then the 0.3% is likely to be overstated and the actual percentage even lower still. 

As you have said 0.3% of 10,000 is 30 severe cases. If we accept 10,000 cases per days without more restrictions and reduction in VTL quota, wouldn’t that be 30 severe cases per day? Wouldn’t that affect our healthcare system after awhile? People suffering from other illnesses may be denied of healthcare because medical care is diverted to treat these severe cases.  

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/13/2022 at 8:38 PM, Guest Berth said:

As you have said 0.3% of 10,000 is 30 severe cases. If we accept 10,000 cases per days without more restrictions and reduction in VTL quota, wouldn’t that be 30 severe cases per day? Wouldn’t that affect our healthcare system after awhile? People suffering from other illnesses may be denied of healthcare because medical care is diverted to treat these severe cases.  

Are you keeping up with the number in ICU? Since the delta wave, this has actually fallen massively since omicron arrived and even with cases hitting 10,000 a day. 
 

people with other illnesses are being denied care because too much priority has been given to covid cases. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/13/2022 at 8:05 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

And here he is right on cue being the retard that he is, failing to connect the dots together and focusing only on the "99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic", while feigning ignorance on the increased number of deaths due to the increased transmissibility. Wtf is getting so predictable now. 

Your stupidity is inherent and unavoidable - percentages, data, basic reading and understanding are all beyond you, which is terribly sad given that you have had 10 years of compulsory education.

 

My stupidity is to think that there is any point ever replying to any of your insane posts and thinking you might ever understand.
 

I’ll stop being stupid now because I can make that choice. 

[Guest Berth]

On 2/13/2022 at 9:15 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Are you keeping up with the number in ICU? Since the delta wave, this has actually fallen massively since omicron arrived and even with cases hitting 10,000 a day. 
 

people with other illnesses are being denied care because too much priority has been given to covid cases. 

So what’s wrong with wanting to reduce the covid cases from 10,000 per day to significantly lesser by imposing more restrictions? 
 

With fewer covid cases, people with other illnesses won’t be denied care then. Win-win both ways. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/13/2022 at 10:01 PM, Guest Berth said:

So what’s wrong with wanting to reduce the covid cases from 10,000 per day to significantly lesser by imposing more restrictions? 
 

With fewer covid cases, people with other illnesses won’t be denied care then. Win-win both ways. 

because covid is endemic: at some point, you will have to remove restrictions and then cases will increase again and then you reintroduce restrictions and on and on.
 

Everybody is going to be infected at some point no matter how many restrictions are in place - it is just a question of how long it takes. If anyone calling for lockdown now thinks it means the people being protected won’t get infected once the next lockdown is over or the one after that, then they are sadly mistaken.
 

 If you want the pandemic to drag on for another three years or more, then, sure keep adding more restrictions and keep locking down. If you want it over with, then accept a certain case number a day that is manageable for the health care system.

 

If Singapore can’t cope with under 25 people in ICU, then there is a serious problem with the healthcare system. 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/13/2022 at 10:01 PM, Guest Berth said:

So what’s wrong with wanting to reduce the covid cases from 10,000 per day to significantly lesser by imposing more restrictions? 
 

With fewer covid cases, people with other illnesses won’t be denied care then. Win-win both ways. 

btw, there is nothing wrong with wanting there to be a lower case number, I understand why people feel this way.I want there to have never been a pandemic in the first place. But we are where we are and the point is that covid is now endemic and has to be handled as such, which means balancing the spread of the virus with the needs of society.
 

The restrictions you call for in terms of imports for example, would lead to significant inflation (which is already high) and also food shortages - either companies wouldn’t bother delivering to Singapore due to the additional cost and manpower burden, or they will pass these costs onto Singaporeans. Also, do you know how much less money F&B makes doing delivery only? Why would any of them stay open? What would all the people who work in F&B do to earn money? 
 

It’s difficult now because we have been told for two years that covid is the scariest thing in the world but the measures taken have also had negative impacts in terms of health, mental health and economic impact. We need to move on from the pandemic mindset and work out how to live with covid. I am not saying get rid of all restrictions but I am saying that a balance needs to be struck. 
 

[Guest Wtf]

Anyway, I’ll stop commenting because many people here are not yet ready to move their thinking on and process the reality of endemic covid.
 

They would rather read dodgy calculations or lists of case numbers from one poster or another poster catastrophizing and talking about needing to pray for all who catch covid. Or, of course, the deranged rantings of the guest troll.
 

At some point the kpkb mindset and discussion from some posters here will move on but it won’t be from me repeating myself. 

[Guest Berth]

On 2/13/2022 at 10:13 PM, Guest Wtf said:

because covid is endemic: at some point, you will have to remove restrictions and then cases will increase again and then you reintroduce restrictions and on and on.
 

Everybody is going to be infected at some point no matter how many restrictions are in place - it is just a question of how long it takes. If anyone calling for lockdown now thinks it means the people being protected won’t get infected once the next lockdown is over or the one after that, then they are sadly mistaken.
 

 If you want the pandemic to drag on for another three years or more, then, sure keep adding more restrictions and keep locking down. If you want it over with, then accept a certain case number a day that is manageable for the health care system.

 

If Singapore can’t cope with under 25 people in ICU, then there is a serious problem with the healthcare system. 

 

I don’t know about others but I don’t want lockdown like what we have in 2020. The restrictions now are too relaxed thus we see 10,000 cases each day. We just need to tighten the restrictions like no dine-in, and limit the quota for VTLs etc. This is to delay as long as possible the time when almost everyone is infected. Is that unreasonable? 

[lonelyglobe]

On 2/13/2022 at 10:34 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Anyway, I’ll stop commenting because many people here are not yet ready to move their thinking on and process the reality of endemic covid.
 

Thank you for not posting.

[Guest Berth]

On 2/13/2022 at 10:28 PM, Guest Wtf said:

btw, there is nothing wrong with wanting there to be a lower case number, I understand why people feel this way.I want there to have never been a pandemic in the first place. But we are where we are and the point is that covid is now endemic and has to be handled as such, which means balancing the spread of the virus with the needs of society.
 

The restrictions you call for in terms of imports for example, would lead to significant inflation (which is already high) and also food shortages - either companies wouldn’t bother delivering to Singapore due to the additional cost and manpower burden, or they will pass these costs onto Singaporeans. Also, do you know how much less money F&B makes doing delivery only? Why would any of them stay open? What would all the people who work in F&B do to earn money? 
 

It’s difficult now because we have been told for two years that covid is the scariest thing in the world but the measures taken have also had negative impacts in terms of health, mental health and economic impact. We need to move on from the pandemic mindset and work out how to live with covid. I am not saying get rid of all restrictions but I am saying that a balance needs to be struck. 
 

10,000+ cases per day is not the right time now to move on from the pandemic. Tighter restrictions are required to bring them down to say 100 cases then we decide to open up more.
 

F&B can take this opportunity to reinvent themselves to move away from the in-store kind of business model and leverage on delivery. This bodes well too  for post-pandemic as if they master the new model well, they longer need to pay for expensive rent. 

[Guest Wide Berth]

On 2/13/2022 at 10:34 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Anyway, I’ll stop commenting because many people here are not yet ready to move their thinking on and process the reality of endemic covid.
 

They would rather read dodgy calculations or lists of case numbers from one poster or another poster catastrophizing and talking about needing to pray for all who catch covid. Or, of course, the deranged rantings of the guest troll.
 

At some point the kpkb mindset and discussion from some posters here will move on but it won’t be from me repeating myself. 

Good to stop commenting because the reality now is we still have high infection rates. In fact the rates now are the highest since the start of the pandemic. So repeatedly saying we should process the reality of endemic covid is overly premature. Wait till the cases dwindle down a lot lower than 10000 cases then we discuss again. 

[lonelyglobe]

On 2/13/2022 at 6:40 PM, Guest Berth said:

Actually 10,000 cases daily in SG is very high for a country with 5.5million people.  So we are not doing very well at all controlling the spread.
 

In Hong Kong, they have 1000+ cases per day and they are locking down. HK population is 7 million or so? 

Umm.... Maybe i forget to put very  well in inverted comma "very well", ha..  

Absolutely, if we consider population and land size, it probably equal to 100,000 cases in UK perhaps. 

[lonelyglobe]

For those who watch the news tonight,  they mention US study on the booster jab,  the effective rate reduce sharply after 4 months. We start booster shot in sept, mening more people would need a 4th jab?

 

Not to mention for 3rd jab is only about 60% taken. Somehow,  i always wonder if today our vaccination rate is low,  would they still dare to open up? Or probably they will make it compulsory for everyone. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[lonelyglobe]

On 2/13/2022 at 7:13 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

VTLs shouldn't even have existed in the first place. The VTLs are just here to open the economy big and wide for the influx of all the COVID variants to cull off Singaporeans. Singaporeans who wants to come back from overseas can always do so, serving the entire non-reduced quarantine time period after returning on non-VTL flights.

 

Remember i called the VTL as very transmissible lane even before they told us VTL is responsible for spike of omicron. It is simply stupid to let people come in, be it foreigner or local without any quarantine.

 

I dont think it should be stop but at least have a 3 - 5 days quarantine period. This would "catch" as many omicron as possible and more importantly,  deter sporean to travel out for reason like need to update new photo on social media?

 

For those working here, if they dont want to go back because of a 3-5 day quarantine, then seriously how close are their relationship? Lets not pretend we care about this,  otherwise our first VTL should be with Malaysia and not Germany,  which is as good as the whole of Europe  as all the border already open in Sept.

 

Even when Omicron strikes,  we did not stop VTL.  We just "stop the sales of new tickets" for a month into SG while thousands who have purchased their ticket still come in without quarantine despite the fact that a lot tested positive upon arrival. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[singalion]

S'pore reports 9,420 new Covid-19 cases, 1,272 patients hospitalised

Published 13 Feb 2022

SINGAPORE - A total of 9,420 Covid-19 cases were reported on Sunday (Feb 13). Of these, 9,195 of them were local ones, down from 10,325 local cases reported on Saturday.

But there were also four deaths on Sunday, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its nightly update on case numbers.

Another 1,272 people were hospitalised with Covid-19, up from the 1,206 cases on Saturday. This is the ninth day in a row that hospitalisation numbers have crossed the 1,000 mark.

 

 

[singalion]

On 2/14/2022 at 12:27 AM, lonelyglobe said:

Remember i called the VTL as very transmissible lane even before they need to tell us VTL is responsible for spike of omicron. It is simply stupid to let people come in, be it foreigner or local without any quarantine.

 

About one imported Covid-19 case detected out of every 1,000 travellers under VTL scheme

Published 5 Nov 2021, 8:40 pm SGT

 

 

SINGAPORE - About one in every 1,000 travellers who entered Singapore under the Vaccinated Travel Lane (VTL) scheme has been an imported Covid-19 case in the eight weeks since the scheme started.

 

In response to queries, the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) said on Wednesday (Nov 3) that 14 imported Covid-19 cases were detected among 13,731 travellers who entered Singapore between Sept 8 and Nov 1.

 

The authority said 7,702 of the travellers were short-term visitors or long-term pass holders who are required to apply for a Vaccinated Travel Pass to enter the Republic under the VTL scheme. There were eight Covid-19 cases detected in this group.

 

There were also 5,353 Singapore citizens and permanent residents who returned through the VTL. Six imported Covid-19 cases were detected in this group.

 

The remaining 676 VTL travellers were children aged 12 and below. No imported Covid-19 cases were detected in this group.

 

Singapore’s Long-Awaited Reopen Was Flopping Even Before Omicron

Bloomberg 30 November 2021

 

• Data show under one-quarter of allowable quota being utilized

Some 20,510 travelers received approval to enter Singapore since the first travel lanes kicked off in early September through Nov. 26, just 12.5% of the around 164,500 people theoretically allowed in under the nation’s daily quotas. Including Singapore citizens, permanent residents and children aged 12 and below who don’t need to apply for re-entry approval, that figure rises to 37,001, still only 22.5% of the total possible.

 

53 of 65 Omicron cases detected in Singapore as at Monday arrived via VTL

Updated 23 Dec 2021, 11:41 pm SGT

 

 

SINGAPORE - Fifty-three of the 65 confirmed imported Omicron cases detected in Singapore as at Monday (Dec 20) had arrived via the vaccinated travel lane (VTL), said the Ministry of Health (MOH).

 

Of these cases, 41 were detected through on-arrival polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests, while the remaining 12 were detected through the Republic's enhanced testing regime.

 

More than 90 per cent of the Omicron cases who returned via the VTL were returning Singaporeans, permanent residents and long-term residents, said MOH, in response to queries from The Straits Times.

 

 

Updates On Border Measures for Travellers

 

31st Dec 2021

1.     When the Omicron variant of concern surfaced globally, the Multi-Ministry Taskforce (MTF) announced enhanced testing regime for travellers arriving via the Vaccinated Travel Lanes (VTLs) to reduce the risk of spread of Omicron into Singapore. As of 30 December 2021, we have detected 912 Omicron imported cases; of whom 685 were detected through our enhanced testing regime for VTL travellers.

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/updates-on-border-measures-for-travellers_31_Dec_2021

 

 

 

Looks like Omicron changed the game...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 13, 2022 by singalion

[Guest Guest]

On 2/13/2022 at 10:13 PM, Guest Wtf said:

because covid is endemic: at some point, you will have to remove restrictions and then cases will increase again and then you reintroduce restrictions and on and on.
 

Everybody is going to be infected at some point no matter how many restrictions are in place - it is just a question of how long it takes. If anyone calling for lockdown now thinks it means the people being protected won’t get infected once the next lockdown is over or the one after that, then they are sadly mistaken.
 

 If you want the pandemic to drag on for another three years or more, then, sure keep adding more restrictions and keep locking down. If you want it over with, then accept a certain case number a day that is manageable for the health care system.

 

If Singapore can’t cope with under 25 people in ICU, then there is a serious problem with the healthcare system. 

 

 

"under 25 people in ICU"? Are there only under 25 people in ICU right now? What's next? "under 25 people dead daily"?? 

 

COVID is endemic only because a few people made it so. As a matter of fact, COVID might even be endemic in Singapore only because ONE policy-maker who had wanted the schools to remain open at the beginning of the pandemic era, giving the excuse that children need to go to school because there is nobody at home to look after them and the children need to eat lunch at school. What a JOKE! 

 

And that person is now in the MMTF getting the entire country to go endemic living.    

 

On 2/13/2022 at 10:28 PM, Guest Wtf said:

btw, there is nothing wrong with wanting there to be a lower case number, I understand why people feel this way.I want there to have never been a pandemic in the first place. But we are where we are and the point is that covid is now endemic and has to be handled as such, which means balancing the spread of the virus with the needs of society.
 

The restrictions you call for in terms of imports for example, would lead to significant inflation (which is already high) and also food shortages - either companies wouldn’t bother delivering to Singapore due to the additional cost and manpower burden, or they will pass these costs onto Singaporeans. Also, do you know how much less money F&B makes doing delivery only? Why would any of them stay open? What would all the people who work in F&B do to earn money? 
 

It’s difficult now because we have been told for two years that covid is the scariest thing in the world but the measures taken have also had negative impacts in terms of health, mental health and economic impact. We need to move on from the pandemic mindset and work out how to live with covid. I am not saying get rid of all restrictions but I am saying that a balance needs to be struck. 
 

 

Ohhhhhh ... so "considerate" of you to even tell us you are concerned of "inflation" now, just like how you are concerned about the mental health of those suicide-prone people last time. If you are really so concern about inflation, why are you not calling out against the upcoming GST-hike during all these times of inflation??

 

And now you tell people you understand why people want lower case number? STOP FAKING IT, PLEASE! YOU MAKE ME WANT TO PUKE! ALL YOU EVER CARED ABOUT IS YOURSELF AND YOUR MONEY! 

 

On 2/13/2022 at 9:18 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Your stupidity is inherent and unavoidable - percentages, data, basic reading and understanding are all beyond you, which is terribly sad given that you have had 10 years of compulsory education.

 

My stupidity is to think that there is any point ever replying to any of your insane posts and thinking you might ever understand.
 

I’ll stop being stupid now because I can make that choice. 

 

Your stupidity is to think that anyone might ever understand why the entire country will accept higher number of deaths just so that you can go earn your money. 

 

On 2/13/2022 at 10:34 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Anyway, I’ll stop commenting because many people here are not yet ready to move their thinking on and process the reality of endemic covid.
 

They would rather read dodgy calculations or lists of case numbers from one poster or another poster catastrophizing and talking about needing to pray for all who catch covid. Or, of course, the deranged rantings of the guest troll.
 

At some point the kpkb mindset and discussion from some posters here will move on but it won’t be from me repeating myself. 

 

Not only should you stop commenting, you should go die from COVID already. 

 

[singalion]

S'pore reports 9,420 new Covid-19 cases, 1,272 patients hospitalised

Published 13 Feb 2022

SINGAPORE - A total of 9,420 Covid-19 cases were reported on Sunday (Feb 13). Of these, 9,195 of them were local ones, down from 10,325 local cases reported on Saturday.

But there were also four deaths on Sunday, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its nightly update on case numbers.

Another 1,272 people were hospitalised with Covid-19, up from the 1,206 cases on Saturday. This is the ninth day in a row that hospitalisation numbers have crossed the 1,000 mark.

 

S'pore reports 1,332 Covid-19 patients hospitalised, 9,082 new cases

Published 14 Feb 2022

SINGAPORE - A total of 1,332 patients in Singapore were hospitalised with Covid-19 on Monday (Feb 14), up from 1,272 people the day before.

 

This is the 10th day in a row that hospitalisation numbers have crossed the 1,000 mark.

There were 9,082 cases in total reported on Monday, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its nightly coronavirus update.

There were nine deaths on Monday, said MOH.

There were also 23 patients in intensive care unit (ICU), with a total of 147 requiring oxygen support, down from 162 on Sunday.

 

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/number-of-covid-19-omicron-deaths-in-spore-currently-four-times-fewer-than-delta-deaths-at-its-peak
 

 

[Guest Patron]

Imagine a poor frog leaping out of his well & got to read this thread, he would probably think doomsday is near. Let's keep things in perspective, the symtoms for Omicron is relatively mild compared to its predecessors, that's why the latest MOH protocol for those tested positive is to self quarantine at home for the next 72hrs until their ART tests come back as negative, else continue to isolate till 12pm on day 7 after which they are free to go regardless they have recovered or not 

(see https://www.covid.gov.sg/unwell/overview or extracted clause #3 below). 

"3. If you continue to test positive, continue to self-isolate and self-test daily until you obtain a negative result OR until 12pm on Day 7 (for vaccinated individuals and children below 12 years old) or Day 14 (for unvaccinated / partially vaccinated individuals aged 12 years old and above), whichever comes earlier."

Also since last week, MOH has stopped issuing health risk warnings (HRW) to those with close contact to Covid in the public, only the immediate household of the infected person will be notified after filling in their online form.

This is really good news for those who are scared to visit the sauna for fear of being contact traced.

 

[lonelyglobe]

Then please remove the stupid trace together, dont make the hawker centre look like a prison, dont need to wayang wayang anymore

Edited February 15, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[jlone]

On 2/15/2022 at 1:26 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Then please remove the stupid trace together, dont need yo wayang wayang anymore. 

But many people will be out of job if there is no more trace together, esp those working for check-in at malls n hawkers centers. 

[singalion]

We all know the mortality rate for Omicron is lower than for Delta or the both two initial variants.

 

But still there are people dying from Omicron.

 

I don't parrot what some politicians say for local newspapers but I make my own mind on data.

 

Omicron is still a risk for unvaccinated, people with underlying medical conditions, imunocompromised and everyone who is above 50y old.

 

The death rate is for long no longer at 0.03 considering the death toll from the past months.

 

I don't see any urgent need to raise the amount of social gatherings above 5. Same as I don't find using TraceTogether is of any serious issue to anyone.

 

He [Health Minister Ong Ye Kung] was responding to Mr Lim Biow Chuan (Mountbatten SMC), Mr Christopher de Souza (Holland-Bukit Timah GRC) and Mr Gerald Giam (Aljunied GRC), who asked about the target criteria to ease up on current Covid-19 restrictions and to allow social gatherings of more than five.

 

Despite being more 'mild,' omicron continues recent spike in deaths

Feb 14, 2022

Lisa Miller, an epidemiologist and associate dean at the Colorado School of Public Health

Miller said it was "too early to make a lot of conclusions" about omicron and mortality because data will continue to be backfilled. 

"Unfortunately, we expected deaths to rise because we know that omicron, even though it was somewhat less severe — it still was a deadly infection for some people," she said. "So yeah, we expected that mortality would rise, or that number of deaths would rise. And we also know that was particularly the case for unvaccinated people. ... I think it’s incredibly unfortunate, and we could’ve saved lives if we’d vaccinated more people and if more people had chosen to get vaccinated and boosted

https://denvergazette.com/premium/despite-being-more-mild-omicron-continues-recent-spike-in-deaths/article_1c3e5254-8dec-11ec-97c2-7795d9fe4c5c.html

 

 

 

I still make a bet that the mortality rate for normal influenza will turn out lower than the current Omicron mortality rate.

 

 

[singalion]

On 2/15/2022 at 1:26 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Then please remove the stupid trace together, dont make the hawker centre look like a prison, dont need to wayang wayang anymore

 

Hey, Lonelyglobe, don't forget the TraceTogether at Hawkers is directed against unvaccinated people. It is meant to trouble them and to persuade them to get vaccinated. If you the Government had made it too easy for people to keep unvaccinated then the other rest would continue to suffer much longer (until ease of any restrictions).

 

If Singapore can reach a 97/98% of two dose vaccinated population, then the Government does not need any such restrictions at hawker centres.

 

The unvaccinated should be happy that at public transport/MRT you do not need to scan!

 

Anyhow Hawker Centres in Singapore don't look like the most iconic places and with thrilling design in Singapore!

 

[singalion]

On 2/15/2022 at 1:31 PM, jlone said:

But many people will be out of job if there is no more trace together, esp those working for check-in at malls n hawkers centers. 

 

In particular those young student looking boys you meant, which you will not see any longer once the TraceTogether booth is gone. ha ha

[Guest Guest]

On 2/15/2022 at 1:11 PM, Guest Wtf said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/number-of-covid-19-omicron-deaths-in-spore-currently-four-times-fewer-than-delta-deaths-at-its-peak
 

 

 

So much for "not posting anymore". But yet, here he is and as expected, trying to brainwash us into thinking that COVID deaths are OK, using the excuse that the COVID-death rate has dropped since Delta time. Like I have kept reiterating, why can't he be the one to die himself? Then we will be happy to tell his family that his death is also ok because he was asking for it himself. 

 

On 2/15/2022 at 1:18 PM, Guest Patron said:

Let's keep things in perspective, the symtoms for Omicron is relatively mild compared to its predecessors, that's why the latest MOH protocol for those tested positive is to self quarantine at home for the next 72hrs until their ART tests come back as negative

 

Are you sure that is the reason for the latest MOH protocol? Whose perspective is that?  Or perhaps the hospitals are already overwhelmed? 

 

 

[lonelyglobe]

On 2/15/2022 at 1:31 PM, jlone said:

But many people will be out of job if there is no more trace together, esp those working for check-in at malls n hawkers centers. 

Not really, currently there are more job avilable than job seeker. SIA start recruiting,  so the young ones can go and apply. The elderly can go NTUC or Sheng Siong,  not to forget delivery also need a lot of manpower.

 

As SG re-open to the world by end Mar,  travel and hospitality sector will need a lot of staff too. This is the best time to send them for training so we can welcome 20 to 30 million visitor once the door open. Whatever lost during the last 2 years must earn back in a few months. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[Guest Patron]

On 2/15/2022 at 5:03 PM, singalion said:

Lisa Miller, an epidemiologist and associate dean at the Colorado School of Public Health

Miller said it was "too early to make a lot of conclusions" about omicron and mortality because data will continue to be backfilled. 

"Unfortunately, we expected deaths to rise because we know that omicron, even though it was somewhat less severe — it still was a deadly infection for some people," she said. "So yeah, we expected that mortality would rise, or that number of deaths would rise. And we also know that was particularly the case for unvaccinated people. ... I think it’s incredibly unfortunate, and we could’ve saved lives if we’d vaccinated more people and if more people had chosen to get vaccinated and boosted

https://denvergazette.com/premium/despite-being-more-mild-omicron-continues-recent-spike-in-deaths/article_1c3e5254-8dec-11ec-97c2-7795d9fe4c5c.html

I still make a bet that the mortality rate for normal influenza will turn out lower than the current Omicron mortality rate.

 

We should be wary of the manner the data are being manipulated by the govt & the MSM to instil fear on those who still refuse to get vaccinated.  Some of these statistics for Covid-19 deaths are rather misleading, for example a person who was killed in a car accident but was tested positive would still be classified as Covid-19 death. The same goes to those who died of other more serious health conditions, the authorities will still attribute them to Covid-19. 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/15/2022 at 6:15 PM, Guest Patron said:

 

We should be wary of the manner the data are being manipulated by the govt & the MSM to instil fear on those who still refuse to get vaccinated.  Some of these statistics for Covid-19 deaths are rather misleading, for example a person who was killed in a car accident but was tested positive would still be classified as Covid-19 death. The same goes to those who died of other more serious health conditions, the authorities will still attribute them to Covid-19. 

 

I don't think anyone will classify deaths due to car accidents and or other complications as COVID-deaths. On the contrary, it is obvious from the start of the pandemic, many of the deaths related to COVID were classified as other factors just to keep the numbers low. Everything was blamed as "other underlying conditions".   

 

But that being said, and not that I am supportive of the anti-vaxxers, I am getting the feeling that the government is trying to unfairly use this group of unvaccinated people as a red herring to blame for all the increase in cases nowadays.

 

It's just like how the religious people will start blaming Satan for everything that goes wrong in their life. Now, due to their own failed policies which has led to the increased number of COVID-infected and COVID-deaths, all fingers are pointing towards the unvaccinated now .

[lonelyglobe]

https://mothership.sg/2022/02/moh-update-covid-19-feb-15/

 

A new record, CNY over,  need to think of a new excuse. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[Guest guest]

On 2/15/2022 at 10:05 PM, lonelyglobe said:

https://mothership.sg/2022/02/moh-update-covid-19-feb-15/

 

A new record, CNY over,  need to think of a new excuse. 

Super scary, cases almost 20,000! Omicron really highly infectious! Now really cannot mingle with people with mask down. Totally unsafe.

[Guest Guest]

On 2/15/2022 at 10:05 PM, lonelyglobe said:

https://mothership.sg/2022/02/moh-update-covid-19-feb-15/

 

A new record, CNY over,  need to think of a new excuse. 

 

No need new excuses.

 

All they need to do is to say that they had already anticipated this 10k-20k daily cases, and make it sound as if such preemptive useless forewarnings is going to be helpful with anything in controlling COVID. And they also need some people to come into this forum and say that "the economy is not opened wide enough for me to earn my money".  

 

Then everyone will just all go ahead and pretend that everything is OK, especially after the party come out and praise themselves on how well they have done a good job in controlling the pandemic by culling off Singaporeans, first of their jobs, and then their lives.  

[Guest Guest]

On 2/15/2022 at 10:40 PM, Guest guest said:

Super scary, cases almost 20,000! Omicron really highly infectious! Now really cannot mingle with people with mask down. Totally unsafe.

 

No! Everyone must go out so that Guest Wtf can earn his money. 

[singalion]

19,420 new Covid-19 cases in Singapore, 1,355 patients hospitalised

Published 15 Feb 2022

SINGAPORE - There were a record 19,420 new Covid-19 cases on Tuesday (Feb 15), up from 9,082 on Monday, said the Ministry of Health in its daily update.

The daily number of cases is the highest since the pandemic hit Singapore shores in January 2020.

Seven people died, said the MOH update.

 

 

[singalion]

 

 

 

 

Longer wait for some buses as SBS Transit faces shortage of 80 drivers amid Covid-19 surge

 

Updated 15 Feb 2022, 9:46 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - There was a shortage of almost 80 SBS Transit bus drivers on Tuesday (Feb 15), due to an unprecedented surge in the number of drivers who tested positive for Covid-19.

The public transport operator gave this update in a Facebook post on Tuesday, saying this has resulted in longer waiting times for some bus services.

 

"For this, we do apologise to affected passengers for the inconvenience caused and seek their understanding," it said.

SBS Transit said it is monitoring the situation closely and will be working with the Land Transport Authority (LTA) to make adjustments, such as increasing the interval time between buses for some services.

More double-decker buses that can accommodate more passengers will also be deployed for certain services as the situation evolves, it added.

The transport operator noted that with the growing wave of Covid-19 infections in the community, the number of bus drivers being affected by the virus has also been on the rise.

 

 

SBS Transit said that 99 per cent of its drivers have been vaccinated, and that they display no or mild symptoms while they recover in isolation.

 

The operator reminded commuters to factor in longer waiting times for buses when planning their journeys.

 

 

 

 

Why arent 100% of the drivers vaccinated?

 

 

My Fairprice online order was delayed by 5 days also due to same reason (manpower shortage).

 

[lonelyglobe]

On 2/16/2022 at 12:19 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

No need new excuses.

 

All they need to do is to say that they had already anticipated this 10k-20k daily cases, and make it sound as if such preemptive useless forewarnings is going to be helpful with anything in controlling COVID. And they also need some people to come into this forum and say that "the economy is not opened wide enough for me to earn my money".  

 

Then everyone will just all go ahead and pretend that everything is OK, especially after the party come out and praise themselves on how well they have done a good job in controlling the pandemic by culling off Singaporeans, first of their jobs, and then their lives.  

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20220216-1243289

 

New excuse,  increase due to 2 different strain of omicron. They never expect the 20,000 record to be reaching so soon, now they decided to raise the number to 30,000 cases daily,  irregardless of how mild omicron are,  the number are simply disgusting and what is even more disgusting is to pay million dollars for a fortune teller to predict what the number will be? No, all of us here can predict 40,000 to 50,0000 daily and prediction is free.

 

Instead we need someone who are able to come up with concrete plans to reduce the number of infection and not just keep predicting the increase in the number of infection and yes "economy" is a very strong and useful weapon to make sure sporean listen and obey. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[Guest Wtf]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/up-to-5-household-visitors-at-a-time-more-vtls-to-come-spores-new-covid-19-rules-at-a-glance
 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/16/2022 at 6:42 PM, Guest Wtf said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/up-to-5-household-visitors-at-a-time-more-vtls-to-come-spores-new-covid-19-rules-at-a-glance
 

 

More VTLs? More opening? More socializing? More deaths? As long as people like Wtf can earn your money and the government can get more out from that impending 9% GST from Singaporeans and tourists alike, who cares?

 

 

 

[Guest Piang]

Those people who are advocating for stricter controls and more lockdowns are likely the ones who never isolate themselves but yet go out and mingle with the general population. Hypocrisy to the max.

 

These people  only know how to kao bei kao bu. If they are truly  passionate to their cause, how come never see them  petition to the government for them to live in the offshore Islands where they can isolate themselves forever for all I care and distance themselves  from the rest of us who embrace the endemic approach. How come I never see more volunteers helping or encourage the elderly and the vulnerable to stay at home..

 

What a bunch  of losers ! The only ability they know is to complain and complain that the government is not doing a good job. Yup, the ruling government is not perfect and have their shortfalls.. but it's not as if we can depend on the opposition party... Worker's Party  *eyes rolled*

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/15/2022 at 10:40 PM, Guest guest said:

Super scary, cases almost 20,000! Omicron really highly infectious! Now really cannot mingle with people with mask down. Totally unsafe.

 

Hi @alien

[Guest Guest]

On 2/16/2022 at 7:12 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

More VTLs? More opening? More socializing? More deaths? As long as people like Wtf can earn your money and the government can get more out from that impending 9% GST from Singaporeans and tourists alike, who cares?

 

 

 

 

 And such further relaxation of the restrictions happened when Covid cases has peaked to almost 20k daily cases too. It just goes to show what our government really cares about, and what they DON'T. 

 

On 2/16/2022 at 7:58 PM, Guest Piang said:

Those people who are advocating for stricter controls and more lockdowns are likely the ones who never isolate themselves but yet go out and mingle with the general population. Hypocrisy to the max.

 

These people  only know how to kao bei kao bu. If they are truly  passionate to their cause, how come never see them  petition to the government for them to live in the offshore Islands where they can isolate themselves forever for all I care and distance themselves  from the rest of us who embrace the endemic approach. How come I never see more volunteers helping or encourage the elderly and the vulnerable to stay at home..

 

What a bunch  of losers ! The only ability they know is to complain and complain that the government is not doing a good job. Yup, the ruling government is not perfect and have their shortfalls.. but it's not as if we can depend on the opposition party... Worker's Party  *eyes rolled*

 

 

 

Yeah right, and what exactly are we depending on that 10% opposition presence in Parliament for? As if that 10% is so big... 

 

And it does not make sense to claim that "people who are advocating for stricter controls and more lockdowns are likely the ones who never isolate themselves but yet go out and mingle with the general population". On the contrary, it makes more sense to be saying that "people who are NOT advocating for stricter controls and more lockdowns are likely the ones who are cheering and clapping for each covid deaths that has happened in Singapore."

[Guest As if]

On 2/16/2022 at 9:17 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Yeah right, and what exactly are we depending on that 10% opposition presence in Parliament for? As if that 10% is so big... 

 

Well, Singaporeans voted for it... And with the recent WP's saga, I can see why..

 rightfully so..

 

On 2/16/2022 at 9:17 PM, Guest Guest said:

 "people who are NOT advocating for stricter controls and more lockdowns are likely the ones who are cheering and clapping for each covid deaths that has happened in Singapore."

 

Nobody is clapping over the covid deaths. We are just accepting it the way it is as we have done all can. But of course if some feel it's not enough and fear dearly for their lives, well by all means go find ways to smuggle yourself into China or HK, or be refugees in those countries.. dun  worry the PRC will protect you with their covid zero policies.. Or you can camp yourself in Singapore's offshore islands and live there as hermits for all we care.