Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest Guest]

On 2/23/2022 at 7:06 PM, Guest Wtf said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/high-numbers-indicate-the-omicron-wave-will-likely-peak-soon-say-experts

 

Excerpt from article: "a sharp rise in cases usually foreshadows a fall in numbers, signalling the end of a Covid-19 wave" ... 

 

 

 

Now that we have had one peak after another, maybe Captain Obvious can tell us if we will be having ANOTHER peak after this? Or perhaps that yearly $180 million dollar paid to Singapore Publishing House will be silencing that part of the story? 

[jlone]

https://news.nestia.com/detail_share/8438072?media_type=1&nestiaShareChannel=whatsapp#

[sgmaven]

Someone is going to say that the number of deaths per 100,000 cases is very low, so there is no need to worry. Even though the medical services are finite resources and not based on per 100,000 cases of COVID...

[singalion]

On 2/23/2022 at 7:05 AM, Guest Wtf said:

do you understand what ‘last 28 days’ means?
 

my goodness, the amount of effort you are putting into not admitting you are wrong is surely admirable but I am not going to keep discussing this same topic endlessly with you.
 

If you don’t like the way numbers are calculated, take it up with MOH. In the meantime, I will continue to use the correct and current figure of 99.7% of cases being mild and asymptomatic and you can make up whatever number you like for yourself.

 

Again you try to distract from the fact that the website of MOH does not indicate 0.04 for deaths but 0.03.

 

While your own calculation or figure you gave was wrong. For January 2022 it is not 0.04.

 

Your question on "last 28 days" is just a digression as you have been proven wrong and your calculations also.

 

Even today the number is unchanged, only the number of infected is updated in that section.

 

If I do a calculation for the past 28 days, I assume the number will be above 0.03 for deaths.

 

 

Why should I admit that I am wrong when

 

a) my calculations are correct

and

b) my assumption that only the first data of the total number of infected being updated seems correct.

 

 

 

[Guest Wide Berth]

On 2/23/2022 at 11:35 PM, jlone said:

https://news.nestia.com/detail_share/8438072?media_type=1&nestiaShareChannel=whatsapp#

There were a total of 1,587 Covid-19 cases in hospital on Wednesday, down from 1,608 on Tuesday, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its nightly update on case numbers.

 

There are 1,600 cases on average still in hospitals. These beds could otherwise be freed up for other medical issues. We have 2days with more than 20,000++ cases but still no imposition of stricter measures to bring down the number of covid cases. 

[singalion]

 

Note the detailed numbers for yesterday only mentioned the total infection numbers and did not indicate the other details. The other parts were only updated today mentioning the detailed data on ICU, deaths for yesterday etc and was just indicated by an update of yesterday's article 4 hours ago.

Also note the article with the numbers was only published after 1am yesterday.

That is why I only post here today.

 

S'pore sees new high of over 26,000 Covid-19 cases; public urged to visit hospitals only for emergencies

Published 23 Feb 2022 (for 22 Feb 2022)

SINGAPORE - The Ministry of Health (MOH) on Tuesday night (Feb 22) reiterated its call for the public to refrain from rushing to hospitals with non-emergency conditions, as Singapore saw a record high of 26,032 Covid-19 cases.

There were a total of 1,608 Covid-19 cases in hospital on Tuesday, up from the 1,606 on Monday.

 

With the latest update, hospitalisation numbers have exceeded the 1,000 mark for 18 days in a row.

There were 46 cases in the ICU, up from 44 on Monday. A total of 190 patients required oxygen support.

Four deaths were reported on Tuesday.

 

 

For today:

S'pore reports 20,312 new Covid-19 cases, 1,587 patients hospitalised

Published 23 Feb 2022

SINGAPORE - A total of 20,312 new Covid-19 cases were reported on Wednesday night (Feb 23), down from a record 26,032 infections on Tuesday.

This is the second day in a row that daily new cases have exceeded the 20,000 mark.

There were a total of 1,587 Covid-19 cases in hospital on Wednesday, down from 1,608 on Tuesday, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its nightly update on case numbers.

There were 46 cases in the intensive care unit and 200 patients required oxygen support, MOH added.

Seven deaths were also reported on Wednesday.

 

[singalion]

On 2/23/2022 at 11:55 AM, Guest Wtf said:

The main point is that Singapore and the US are at different points in their respective waves, that’s why US cases are currently falling (from a peak of 1.3 million on January 12) while Singapore cases are currently rising. Singapore case numbers have to peak before they can fall.
 

 

Interesting logic.

 

But the numbers could have peaked already and could decrease instead of increasing in such extremes more and more.

 

It is very lazy or easy to argue that the numbers have to peak first before they fall.

 

Omicron is here already since December 2021.

 

There is no buffer in place to reduce infections at the moment.

 

I am not sure if the Singapore government can serious go on with the current policy of inaction?

 

Even Netherlands, Germany, France, UK  etc introduced measures to reduce the spread when the Omicron infections started peaking in these countries...

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by singalion

[jlone]

On 2/24/2022 at 12:33 AM, Guest Wide Berth said:

There were a total of 1,587 Covid-19 cases in hospital on Wednesday, down from 1,608 on Tuesday, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said in its nightly update on case numbers.

 

There are 1,600 cases on average still in hospitals. These beds could otherwise be freed up for other medical issues. We have 2days with more than 20,000++ cases but still no imposition of stricter measures to bring down the number of covid cases. 

They are easing  and opening iso imposing stricter measures, mind you.

Crazy idiots !

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/24/2022 at 12:42 AM, singalion said:

 

Interesting logic.

 

But the numbers could have peaked already and could decrease instead of increasing in such extremes more and more.

 

It is very lazy or easy to argue that the numbers have to peak first before they fall.

 

Omicron is here already since December 2021.

 

There is no buffer in place to reduce infections at the moment.

 

I am not sure if the Singapore government can serious go on with the current policy of inaction?

 

Even Netherlands, Germany, France, UK  etc introduced measures to reduce the spread when the Omicron infections started peaking in these countries...

 

a) yes, maybe 26k was the peak, maybe not. You will only know when the peak was once you are past it but it will definitely take more than one day to know 

 

b) Singapore already has a huge number of measures and restrictions in place and is already much more limited in terms of what people can do than most of those countries you mention, even after they reintroduced their very time-limited measures

 

c) you say ‘interesting logic’ as if you know better than the scientists and politicians than all countries of the world bar two. I can’t work out if you are just a contrarian or deluded.

 

d) one final, final, final time on the numbers you are endlessly going on about - if you didn’t get 0.04% for your January calculation, you should share the working so it can be corrected. Here to help you (using the numbers you provided):

 

26/66316 x 100 = 0.039 (0.04 to two decimal places)

 

e) 99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic 

 

there is really little point for me to argue/discuss with someone who is consistently wrong and unable to either correct themselves or even move on. Thanks for the memories of the times I corrected you on: misreading in an article whether someone had tested positive or negative, your spectacular 108,000 deaths miscalculation/claim, the 99.7%, the January percentage, etc.

 

With this many mistakes, others readers should be aware to take your posts with a pinch of salt and check all the information independently for themselves. 

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/implementation-of-changes-to-covid-19-safe-management-measures-to-be-postponed-due-to-surge-in-cases-moh

‘It’s too much work to simplify’, apparently… 🤦‍♂️ 

[Guest Guest]

But we are already so getting used to the many changes these two years or so … “too much work” means …. 🤔

[singalion]

On 2/24/2022 at 8:10 AM, Guest Wtf said:

there is really little point for me to argue/discuss with someone who is consistently wrong and unable to either correct themselves or even move on. Thanks for the memories of the times I corrected you on: misreading in an article whether someone had tested positive or negative, your spectacular 108,000 deaths miscalculation/claim, the 99.7%, the January percentage, etc.

 

On 1/27/2022 at 12:31 PM, singalion said:

The report gives unvaccinated people a 85% higher risk of death compared to vaccinated (2 dose or booster).

Also note there is still a 0.5 % of deaths for vaccinated people. (That would make 23,000 rounded up 6 deaths in this group per week). [Note, there is correction as the number was not a percentage but on 100,000, representing the death in one week. It would result in 6 deaths per week for this group and 24 deaths for vaccinated people per month.]

The 9.7 % death rate for non vaccinated people would result in roughly 108,000 deaths taken the 1 mil group of unvaccinated Singapore residents... The number is not even looking at risks of people with underlying conditions.

[Note the number was corrected as the 9.7% was not a percentage but a reference to 100,000,

However note the number is indicative for one week only, therefore a monthly dead toll would be 432]

 

 

 

Please do not post here as if Omicron "is just a flu" and that there is no risk at all.

 

 

 

Firstly, you know very well that my false assessment derived from a mistaken percentage instead of a number out of 100,000  in my calculation in that previous post and it was corrected. I immediately recalculated the numbers. 

 

Secondly, you know also that I directly amended my post and inserted the correct numbers.

 

 

My earlier post even indicates the recalculated and corrected numbers.

 

Here is the version how it appears in my post from 27 Jan 2022.

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The report gives unvaccinated people a 85% higher risk of death compared to vaccinated (2 dose or booster).

Also note there is still a 0.5 % of deaths for vaccinated people. (That would make 23,000 rounded up 6 deaths in this group per week). [Note, there is correction as the number was not a percentage but on 100,000, representing the death in one week. It would result in 6 deaths per week for this group and 24 deaths for vaccinated people per month.]

 

The 9.7 % death rate for non vaccinated people would result in roughly 108,000 deaths taken the 1 mil group of unvaccinated Singapore residents... The number is not even looking at risks of people with underlying conditions.

[Note the number was corrected as the 9.7% was not a percentage but a reference to 100,000,

However note the number is indicative for one week only, therefore a monthly dead toll would be 432]

Please do not post here as if Omicron "is just a flu" and that there is no risk at all.

----

 

Why do you need to harp on that old thing, when the numbers appear in a corrected format on BW??????

 

Isn't your behaviour what you exactly call bickering?

 

One month following my post you can still repeat attacks while the numbers had been immediately corrected????

 

There is nothing that a claim "that I am consistently wrong on BW" .

 

Contrary to you, when I was wrong, I corrected myself.

 

Isn't your aim just to discredit other people here?

 

Plenty of times you have been wrong on BW, but I never saw any correction from you.

It were always other Members that needed to correct your wrong posts.

 

 

 

 

 

[singalion]

On 2/24/2022 at 8:10 AM, Guest Wtf said:

With this many mistakes, others readers should be aware to take your posts with a pinch of salt and check all the information independently for themselves. 

 

See more evidence that you just aim to discredit other Members here, when they do nothing than point to your inconsistencies.

 

When I did a mistake (aka wrong calculation), I corrected it.

 

At least I have the honesty to correct my errors.

 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by singalion

[singalion]

On 2/24/2022 at 8:10 AM, Guest Wtf said:

b) Singapore already has a huge number of measures and restrictions in place and is already much more limited in terms of what people can do than most of those countries you mention, even after they reintroduced their very time-limited measures

 

Your point b) has just been debunked by the latest media news...

 

You just invalidated or were invalidated by your own reasoning...

 

 

New Covid-19 measures slated to start on Feb 25 postponed due to infection surge

24 Feb 2022 The Straits Times

 

SINGAPORE - The implementation date for changes to existing Covid-19 safe management measures will be revised, with a new date to be announced shortly, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) on Thursday (Feb 24).

This is due to the current surge in daily cases, and the extensive work involved in going through the different rules in different settings, it said in a statement.

 

The current rules will remain in place in the meantime, it added.

 

[singalion]

On 2/24/2022 at 8:10 AM, Guest Wtf said:

d) one final, final, final time on the numbers you are endlessly going on about - if you didn’t get 0.04% for your January calculation, you should share the working so it can be corrected. Here to help you (using the numbers you provided):  26/66316 x 100 = 0.039 (0.04 to two decimal places)

a) yes, maybe 26k was the peak, maybe not. You will only know when the peak was once you are past it but it will definitely take more than one day to know 

 

b) Singapore already has a huge number of measures and restrictions in place and is already much more limited in terms of what people can do than most of those countries you mention, even after they reintroduced their very time-limited measures

 

c) you say ‘interesting logic’ as if you know better than the scientists and politicians than all countries of the world bar two. I can’t work out if you are just a contrarian or deluded.

 

e) 99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic 

 

there is really little point for me to argue/discuss with someone who is consistently wrong and unable to either correct themselves or even move on. Thanks for the memories of the times I corrected you on: misreading in an article whether someone had tested positive or negative, your spectacular 108,000 deaths miscalculation/claim, the 99.7%, the January percentage, etc.

 

With this many mistakes, others readers should be aware to take your posts with a pinch of salt and check all the information independently for themselves. 

 

 

 

You can twist and turn and look for explanations:

 

The point is that the number of deaths at MOH's website is indicated at 0.03.

 

Still today it is at 0.03.

We can all see it!

 

Here: from today (24 Feb 2022! 

 

 

Over the last 28 days,

Infected  309,325   99.7% Had No or Mild Symptoms   0.2% Required Oxygen Supplementation 0.04% ICU 0.03% Died

 

But it is obvious that the MOH website does not do any rounding up to two decimals.

Do you have any information if they do? it looks very much that they don't do.

 

What do you then say, as the number is not 0.4 on MOH's website? According to your reasoning already since 1 Feb 2022 the number should reflect 0.04, but it is still today at 0.03... So how?

 

But the fact remains that the MOH website is still displaying exactly the same numbers since these numbers were put up on MOH... namely:

 

 

(2)

26/66316 x 100 = 0.039 (0.04 to two decimal places)

 

The decimals for January 2022 deaths are:

 

Total 26 deaths out of 66,316 infections = 0.0392

 

=> In your own reasoning the number of deaths since January 2022 should have indicated 0.04 (decimal).

But it never did.

 

(3)

The decimals for February 2022 (until 21 Feb) deaths are:

 

Total 103 deaths out of 241450 infections = 0.0426

 

 

 

=> Here you would need to explain us why the number as of today still remains at 0.03 on the MOH website.

 

Screenshot from just now:

 

 

 

I assume my personal assumpttion that the numbers behind the total Covid infections is simply not updated or re-calculated but remains as when it was published in that section. There can be no other explanation.

 

Meaning only the total number:

this one:

 

is from time to time updated.

[singalion]

On 2/24/2022 at 12:42 AM, singalion said:

There is no buffer in place to reduce infections at the moment.

I am not sure if the Singapore government can serious go on with the current policy of inaction?

Even Netherlands, Germany, France, UK  etc introduced measures to reduce the spread when the Omicron infections started peaking in these countries...

 

 

Looks like my prediction from yesterday was correct and my expectation that easing will be delayed was well foresighted...

 

Sometimes I have the feeling the authorities take inspiration from our discussion here... 😄

 

 

Relaxed rules for social gatherings suspended in face of COVID-19 surge: Singapore MOH

 

Singapore’s Ministry of Health today announced that it will postpone further easing of COVID-19 restrictions due to the current stress on hospitals.

 

The ministry said this after calling on the public to do its part in easing the pressure on hospitals in a week that saw confirmed cases surge above 20,000 cases two days in a row.

It puts a halt to relaxed rules governing social gatherings that were due to happen tomorrow and next week, including allowing unlimited social calls by groups of up to five, and doing away with social distancing for those wearing masks.

A new date for the changes, meant to streamline restrictions for easier compliance, will be announced “shortly,” the ministry said.

Though only 1,587 people are currently hospitalized, many public hospitals have been closing in on capacity. Two-hundred patients are on ventilators; 46 are in intensive care.

The ministry pleaded Tuesday for the public to stay out of hospital emergency departments if not in serious condition. It said health care workers were under “severe pressure.” It repeated the advisory this morning on its socials.

In total, Singapore has recorded 642,605 infections and 963 deaths to date.

 

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/24/2022 at 6:33 PM, singalion said:

 

Your point b) has just been debunked by the latest media news...

 

You just invalidated or were invalidated by your own reasoning...

 

 

New Covid-19 measures slated to start on Feb 25 postponed due to infection surge

24 Feb 2022 The Straits Times

 

SINGAPORE - The implementation date for changes to existing Covid-19 safe management measures will be revised, with a new date to be announced shortly, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) on Thursday (Feb 24).

This is due to the current surge in daily cases, and the extensive work involved in going through the different rules in different settings, it said in a statement.

 

The current rules will remain in place in the meantime, it added.

 

errrr, how is my point that Singapore already has tighter and more restrictions than the countries you mentioned  - even compared to the restrictions those countries introduced because of omicron - is debunked by Singapore maintaining those restrictions? 
 

I know you want to catch me out somewhere but your comment makes zero sense. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/24/2022 at 6:40 PM, singalion said:

 

You can twist and turn and look for explanations:

 

The point is that the number of deaths at MOH's website is indicated at 0.03.

 

Still today it is at 0.03.

We can all see it!

 

Here: from today (24 Feb 2022! 

 

 

Over the last 28 days,

Infected  309,325   99.7% Had No or Mild Symptoms   0.2% Required Oxygen Supplementation 0.04% ICU 0.03% Died

 

But it is obvious that the MOH website does not do any rounding up to two decimals.

Do you have any information if they do? it looks very much that they don't do.

 

What do you then say, as the number is not 0.4 on MOH's website? According to your reasoning already since 1 Feb 2022 the number should reflect 0.04, but it is still today at 0.03... So how?

 

But the fact remains that the MOH website is still displaying exactly the same numbers since these numbers were put up on MOH... namely:

 

 

(2)

26/66316 x 100 = 0.039 (0.04 to two decimal places)

 

The decimals for January 2022 deaths are:

 

Total 26 deaths out of 66,316 infections = 0.0392

 

=> In your own reasoning the number of deaths since January 2022 should have indicated 0.04 (decimal).

But it never did.

 

(3)

The decimals for February 2022 (until 21 Feb) deaths are:

 

Total 103 deaths out of 241450 infections = 0.0426

 

 

 

=> Here you would need to explain us why the number as of today still remains at 0.03 on the MOH website.

 

Screenshot from just now:

 

 

 

I assume my personal assumpttion that the numbers behind the total Covid infections is simply not updated or re-calculated but remains as when it was published in that section. There can be no other explanation.

 

Meaning only the total number:

this one:

 

is from time to time updated.

stop posting about this; nobody cares. Especially not coming from you who told me repeatedly that I was wrong to have calculated 0.04% for January and yet you have now calculated that number for yourself. 

 

i already told you, if you have a problem with the numbers shown, take it up with MOH. In the meantime, don’t tell me I am using an outdated number when I am using the official published figures - unless you have a verifiable alternative you can share (which you so far have not).

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/24/2022 at 6:42 PM, singalion said:

 

 

Looks like my prediction from yesterday was correct and my expectation that easing will be delayed was well foresighted...

 

Sometimes I have the feeling the authorities take inspiration from our discussion here... 😄

 

 

Relaxed rules for social gatherings suspended in face of COVID-19 surge: Singapore MOH

 

Singapore’s Ministry of Health today announced that it will postpone further easing of COVID-19 restrictions due to the current stress on hospitals.

 

The ministry said this after calling on the public to do its part in easing the pressure on hospitals in a week that saw confirmed cases surge above 20,000 cases two days in a row.

It puts a halt to relaxed rules governing social gatherings that were due to happen tomorrow and next week, including allowing unlimited social calls by groups of up to five, and doing away with social distancing for those wearing masks.

A new date for the changes, meant to streamline restrictions for easier compliance, will be announced “shortly,” the ministry said.

Though only 1,587 people are currently hospitalized, many public hospitals have been closing in on capacity. Two-hundred patients are on ventilators; 46 are in intensive care.

The ministry pleaded Tuesday for the public to stay out of hospital emergency departments if not in serious condition. It said health care workers were under “severe pressure.” It repeated the advisory this morning on its socials.

In total, Singapore has recorded 642,605 infections and 963 deaths to date.

 

 

 

Your use of English is interesting for sure: delaying easing is the same thing as taking action? I would suggest it is the exact opposite. 
 

[Guest Health Meanister]

Frankly, I don't get why you guys are at each other's throat. Nobody cares if the actual number is 0.04% or 0.03%. What difference does it make in the overall grand scheme of things? The cases are sky rocketing and people are dying.

I dont think even the health minister cares. You can fight all you want behind your individual screens, tomorrow will be a repeat of today. More cases and more deaths.

 

[singalion]

On 2/24/2022 at 7:53 PM, Guest Health Meanister said:

Frankly, I don't get why you guys are at each other's throat. Nobody cares if the actual number is 0.04% or 0.03%. What difference does it make in the overall grand scheme of things? The cases are sky rocketing and people are dying.

I dont think even the health minister cares. You can fight all you want behind your individual screens, tomorrow will be a repeat of today. More cases and more deaths.

 

 

Sure you are somehow right.

But that Guest WTF goes on and on.

Didn't you note that Guest WTF comments on every single of my posts here at this thread?

 

He just doesn't want to acknowledge how he contradicted himself, now insisting on that 0.04, as initially he said the numbers on MOH's website are accurate, when it reflects 0.03 for the past 15 days on the website and the calculation of the numbers of infected compared to deaths for the same period makes 0.04.

He himself detected after my hint and his calculation that the 0.03 on the MOH website can't no longer be correct, since he now says the number is 0.04.

 

But it is ok. I can rest it there.

 

 

 

Just on a note:

 

Unfortunately, the 0.03 or 0.04 make a sort of difference!

at 0.03   92.7 people will die or have died,

while

at 0.04  roughly 123,7 people will die or have died.

 

if you have some thought for the deceased from Covid, then...

 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by singalion

[singalion]

On 2/24/2022 at 7:49 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Your use of English is interesting for sure: delaying easing is the same thing as taking action? I would suggest it is the exact opposite. 
 

 

Withdrawing already decided easing measures or postponing them is not taking action by the Government?

Postponing any measures is not an action???

 

 

New Covid-19 measures slated to start on Feb 25 postponed due to infection surge

Delaying the in GST increase which was decided in 2018 was also no action by the Government???

 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by singalion

[Guest Wide Berth]

On 2/24/2022 at 8:10 AM, Guest Wtf said:

a) yes, maybe 26k was the peak, maybe not. You will only know when the peak was once you are past it but it will definitely take more than one day to know 

 

b) Singapore already has a huge number of measures and restrictions in place and is already much more limited in terms of what people can do than most of those countries you mention, even after they reintroduced their very time-limited measures

 

c) you say ‘interesting logic’ as if you know better than the scientists and politicians than all countries of the world bar two. I can’t work out if you are just a contrarian or deluded.

 

d) one final, final, final time on the numbers you are endlessly going on about - if you didn’t get 0.04% for your January calculation, you should share the working so it can be corrected. Here to help you (using the numbers you provided):

 

26/66316 x 100 = 0.039 (0.04 to two decimal places)

 

e) 99.7% of cases are mild or asymptomatic 

 

there is really little point for me to argue/discuss with someone who is consistently wrong and unable to either correct themselves or even move on. Thanks for the memories of the times I corrected you on: misreading in an article whether someone had tested positive or negative, your spectacular 108,000 deaths miscalculation/claim, the 99.7%, the January percentage, etc.

 

With this many mistakes, others readers should be aware to take your posts with a pinch of salt and check all the information independently for themselves. 

 

 

Singapore do not have huge number of of measures and restrictions in place. If that were true, why do we have 26,000+ and 20,000+ cases in last 2 days, and consistently 10,000+ odd cases per day since the start of 2022? 
 

In a small country of 5.5million, our infection rate is unacceptably high. That’s about 0.3% population infected per day. Our restrictions are very relaxed; there should be more restrictions such as no dine-in, limiting the quota of VTLs, making work from home default etc. We should reduce it to about 100cases per day for 6-9months first before we re-evaluate the measures. This will help ease the burden on our healthcare system. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/24/2022 at 9:48 PM, Guest Wide Berth said:

Singapore do not have huge number of of measures and restrictions in place. If that were true, why do we have 26,000+ and 20,000+ cases in last 2 days, and consistently 10,000+ odd cases per day since the start of 2022? 
 

In a small country of 5.5million, our infection rate is unacceptably high. That’s about 0.3% population infected per day. Our restrictions are very relaxed; there should be more restrictions such as no dine-in, limiting the quota of VTLs, making work from home default etc. We should reduce it to about 100cases per day for 6-9months first before we re-evaluate the measures. This will help ease the burden on our healthcare system. 

what was my actual sentence? Try reading properly before responding. 
 

and your proposal for ‘100 cases per day for 6-9 month’ as if that is any long term solution is no less ridiculous for the number of times you repeat it. 
 

Lastly, again: how is it that you specifically believe that somehow you have better insight and knowledge and a better proposal than literally every single country - bar two - in the whole wide world? 
 

[Guest Wide Berth]

On 2/24/2022 at 10:33 PM, Guest Wtf said:

what was my actual sentence? Try reading properly before responding. 
 

and your proposal for ‘100 cases per day for 6-9 month’ as if that is any long term solution is no less ridiculous for the number of times you repeat it. 
 

Lastly, again: how is it that you specifically believe that somehow you have better insight and knowledge and a better proposal than literally every single country - bar two - in the whole wide world? 
 

Try understanding properly before assuming people did not read properly. 
 

And your proposal of living with 10,000, 20,000+ cases per day as if that is acceptable is no less ridiculous than ignoring more people with non-covid illnesses will be denied medical care due to surge in covid cases. 
 

Lastly, how is it that you specifically believe that somehow you have better insight and knowledge and a better proposal than the 2 countries who are steadfast in protecting the health and welfare of their own people and rejecting the fallacy of living with covid? 

[singalion]

On 2/24/2022 at 9:48 PM, Guest Wide Berth said:

Singapore do not have huge number of of measures and restrictions in place. If that were true, why do we have 26,000+ and 20,000+ cases in last 2 days, and consistently 10,000+ odd cases per day since the start of 2022? 
 

In a small country of 5.5million, our infection rate is unacceptably high. That’s about 0.3% population infected per day. Our restrictions are very relaxed; there should be more restrictions such as no dine-in, limiting the quota of VTLs, making work from home default etc. We should reduce it to about 100cases per day for 6-9months first before we re-evaluate the measures. This will help ease the burden on our healthcare system. 

 

While I agree with you that the number of daily new infections is outrageously high for Singapore, I don't agree that measures are too lax. 

 

Compared to the US , it's restrictive. Bars n Restaurants close at 10pm, mask wearing is mandatory, numbers of people in a group is restricted. 

 

I think the government should invest on more ideas in smart persuasion of the population to stay more at home for 2 - 4 weeks, control and reduce mall visitor count or shops and other suitable measures. maybe a short 10 day night curfew could help to reduce the spread. I m not sure numbers will go down without any such measures. But measures shouldn't amount to a full lockdown. 

 

Unfortunately, I don't see much creativity just this same message: Omicron is mild and not so severe. Such policy is counterproductive to bring infections down.  People will think, Omicron is nothing and behave accordingly. 

How many people chatter in public transport as before or behave in general as if Covid is over...

 

Maybe the Government needs more gay creative input...

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by singalion

[Steve5380]

On 2/23/2022 at 2:19 AM, Nightingale said:

In primary school English grammar, we were taught "no more XXX than" is the same meaning as "just as XXX as".  So "no more severe than" is the same as "just as severe as".

 

Please take this reply as nothing but a sudden curiosity.  

 

We all know that the regular flu is no more severe than covid.   In reality, it is much less severe.

But can we therefore say that the regular flu is just as severe as covid?   Would this not be wrong?

[Steve5380]

On 2/24/2022 at 5:15 PM, Nightingale said:

In this case, flu is apple while Covid is orange (in terms of nature).  In grammar, "John is no taller than Jane" means John is as tall as Jane.  I don't know if your primary school teachers ever taught you this way or whether you remember they ever taught this way.  But I remember my teachers drilled us this way.

 

My primary school teachers only taught me Spanish grammar.  But I learned logic quite early.  And English I learned mostly by myself.

 

"John is no taller than Jane"  in my logic mind does not exclude "John is smaller than Jane"  The two statements can be true simultaneously.  In this case, John and Jane are not of the same height.

[Guest Fuck covid]

On 2/25/2022 at 7:37 AM, Nightingale said:

Unfortunately, grammar and logic are not necessarily the same thing.  Grammar is pedantic e.g. "Me and my brother . . . ." is deemed grammatically wrong though it makes sense.  What is masculine / feminine in French can be feminine / masculine / neutral in German.  Pandas are called "bear cats" in Chinese instead of "cat bears" and this defies logic.

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/25/2022 at 1:18 AM, Guest Wide Berth said:

Try understanding properly before assuming people did not read properly. 
 

And your proposal of living with 10,000, 20,000+ cases per day as if that is acceptable is no less ridiculous than ignoring more people with non-covid illnesses will be denied medical care due to surge in covid cases. 
 

Lastly, how is it that you specifically believe that somehow you have better insight and knowledge and a better proposal than the 2 countries who are steadfast in protecting the health and welfare of their own people and rejecting the fallacy of living with covid? 

btw, to get to your target of 100 cases a day for six to nine months, with a virus as infectious as omicron, you are basically going to have to do a full circuit breaker for that whole time. We already have around 20,000 cases with all the current restrictions, so fiddling with VTLs or dine in is not going to be anywhere near enough to achieve and maintain a drastic reduction.  

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/25/2022 at 8:55 AM, Guest Wtf said:

btw, to get to your target of 100 cases a day for six to nine months, with a virus as infectious as omicron, you are basically going to have to do a full circuit breaker for that whole time. We already have around 20,000 cases with all the current restrictions, so fiddling with VTLs or dine in is not going to be anywhere near enough to achieve and maintain a drastic reduction.  

 

Basically, what you are saying is to let the fire which got started deliberately continue to burn, and to let it burn to the extent that there is no turning back, and then just wait for everyone to be burnt to death, all for the sake of your 黑心钱, right? So finally ... there you have it! Your intentions are all out in the open now. Well done! 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/24/2022 at 7:53 PM, Guest Health Meanister said:

Frankly, I don't get why you guys are at each other's throat. Nobody cares if the actual number is 0.04% or 0.03%. What difference does it make in the overall grand scheme of things? The cases are sky rocketing and people are dying.

I dont think even the health minister cares. You can fight all you want behind your individual screens, tomorrow will be a repeat of today. More cases and more deaths.

 

 

It's quite easy to understand why people are arguing if the actual number is "0.04% or 0.03%".

 

It's simply because Guest Wtf wants to distract other people away from the more critical issue of the hospital manpower shortage. And that's why he started picking on this inconsequential percentage number, just so that others do not whack him on the problems at the hospital and the society at large, created by the reckless reopening of the economy which he pushed for. 

 

Remember what he said just a few weeks ago and quoted below? He said: "To answer your question, I would impose more restrictions when we are reaching ICU capacity or the healthcare system cannot treat those who need it".

 

On 2/5/2022 at 5:09 PM, Guest Wtf said:

sorry to be so blunt but you are so fucking stupid that there is zero point discussing anything with you. 
 

why do you care whether something is more infectious or not if, in parallel, it is also less severe? This obsession with infection rates above all other metrics is totally ridiculous for a virus where 99.7%+ of cases are mild or asymptomatic in a population with an incredibly high vaccination rate. To answer your question, I would impose more restrictions when we are reaching ICU capacity or the healthcare system cannot treat those who need it. 

 

and what is your obsession the idea that economy = evil!? What do you live on? Where does that money come from? Where do you think jobs come from? How is food paid for? Seriously, try joining the rest of us in the real world and not some covid paranoid cuckoo land. 

 

Now that MOH is already asking people not to go visit GPs, isn't this already the stage that "the healthcare system cannot treat those who need it"? And yet, he is still NOT asking for more restrictions. What a JOKE! So to distract everyone from what he had said earlier, he starts monopolizing of this thread with his incoherent ramblings and endless repetition of the same inconsequential point on the percentage like a scratched record.

 

And you know what else is the best part about this argument? The person who is arguing with him on this inconsequential number ii a master of such distraction tactics in multiple other threads, and he is falling for his very same old trick that he is using anywhere else.   

  

 

[Guest Guest]

 

On 12/14/2021 at 7:46 AM, Guest Wtf said:

lol

 

1000 day quarantine, complete lockdown, close all borders forever!!!
 

or, you can just get back in your bunker and let everybody else live their lives and manage the (minimal) risk for themselves. 

 

2 months ago, he was making a mockery and undermining the severity of the 1000 daily infections;

2 months later, he still couldn't care if the numbers surged past 20,000 cases daily. 

This type of people just can't wait to have the entire Singapore population gets infected with COVID.

The entire world can die or suffer long-COVID symptoms and that is none of his business as long as he can earn his money. 

[Guest Guest]

 

On 11/27/2021 at 8:38 PM, Guest Fuck covid said:

Usually if a virus is more transmissible, it becomes less potent. Let's pray that the new variant is less potent 🙏

 

Now, nature has proven that @Guest Fuck covid is stupid, and he has always been praying to the wrong god. 

 

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2022/2/18/22940749/omicron-variant-symptoms-ba-2-severe-covid

 

 

 

What they’re saying: “It might be, from a human’s perspective, a worse virus than BA.1 and might be able to transmit better and cause worse disease,” said Dr. Daniel Rhoads, section head of microbiology at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio, according to CNN.

 

Why it matters: Kei Sato, a researcher at the University of Tokyo who led the study, told CNN that this suggests that the BA.2 subvariant of the omicron should be considered the same COVID-19 strain as omicron.

• “It looks like we might be looking at a new Greek letter here,” said Deborah Fuller, a virologist at the University of Washington School of Medicine, according to CNN.

 

 

 

[singalion]

For the record:

 

at

https://www.moh.gov.sg/

Over the last 28 days,

Infected

322,669

 

(The system doesn't allow to copy a full screenshot from that part).

 

 

 

=> it is clear that the other numbers right from the Total infections is not updated on a daily basis or even monthly, but only the number of total infections the last 28 days is updated daily. Yesterday, the number of infected was 309,325.

From here you can assume that the percentage numbers have been unchanged since the day they were put up on this website by MOH.

 

Reason: The percentage of deceased people should already be above 0.03.  

(The number of people in ICU may be already higher also.)

 

 

 

[singalion]

For those who say these numbers are not much relevant.

 

The 0.03% number of deceased people the past 28 days gives reference on how many deaths can be expected in the coming days as long as Omicron is not overcome.

 

From my rough calculation the number should be nearing 0.046 at the moment.

 

Let us take the provisional 0.429 % which I calculated for the first 21 days in February.

 

This would mean that from the number of infected about 138.42 people will die from Covid within 1 month.

 

 

Maybe now can understand why this number is relevant.

 

 

Note also that the classification of who died due to Covid is very restrictive in Singapore.

Many cases with underlying other medical conditions that have deceased were not classified as Covid deaths but under the different sections.

This can easily be seen from other country data that contributes a liver failure for example to Covid as Covid was the main cause of illness. In other relevant countries the percentage of death by Omicron is indicated as 1.31%.

 

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by singalion

[Guest Health Meanister]

On 2/25/2022 at 12:09 PM, singalion said:

For those who say these numbers are not much relevant.

 

The 0.03% number of deceased people the past 28 days gives reference on how many deaths can be expected in the coming days as long as Omicron is not overcome.

 

From my rough calculation the number should be nearing 0.046 at the moment.

 

Let us take the provisional 0.429 % which I calculated for the first 21 days in February.

 

This would mean that from the number of infected about 138.42 people will die from Covid within 1 month.

 

 

Maybe now can understand why this number is relevant.

 

 

Why this obession with death? Its too late to help those who are dead.

How about concentrating on how to encourage more people to get their booster shot?

Get all of your loved ones boostered. 

[singalion]

On 2/25/2022 at 12:14 PM, Guest Health Meanister said:

Why this obession with death? Its too late to help those who are dead.

How about concentrating on how to encourage more people to get their booster shot?

Get all of your loved ones boostered. 

 

It is not an obsession with death but a projection on the seriousness of Omicron.

 

Regarding vaccination:

I said this in many posts since mid January 2022

 

On 1/22/2022 at 5:12 PM, singalion said:

Tell your elderly and grandparents to get vaccinated. 

Tell them also: Avoid social contacts or leaving house if any medical conditions. 

As long as any Covid variant around too risky for unvaccinated and all who got "underlying medical conditions". 

Since March 2020 (already nearly two years) we know Covid is a death sentence to most elderly!...

If you can get vaccinated then please do. 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/25/2022 at 12:14 PM, Guest Health Meanister said:

Why this obession with death? Its too late to help those who are dead.

How about concentrating on how to encourage more people to get their booster shot?

Get all of your loved ones boostered. 

 

I think you are missing the point completely. 

 

Just by getting a person boostered is not a solution in itself. This is akin to the misleading statement that the "vaccination gives you superpowers". Such misperception allows people to pin too much hope on a single part of the solution alone, instead of seeing the entire solution which is the administration of the booster shot together with all the restriction measures to prevent the virus from spreading all over the country.

 

And that is the full solution to prevent further deaths, and the same solution which could have prevented previous deaths as well.  

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/25/2022 at 12:09 PM, singalion said:

 

Maybe now can understand why this number is relevant.

 

 

The number is completely irrelevant, because some people just don't give a damn who and how many dies of COVID in Singapore as long as they can earn their money. 

[Guest Wide Berth]

On 2/25/2022 at 8:55 AM, Guest Wtf said:

btw, to get to your target of 100 cases a day for six to nine months, with a virus as infectious as omicron, you are basically going to have to do a full circuit breaker for that whole time. We already have around 20,000 cases with all the current restrictions, so fiddling with VTLs or dine in is not going to be anywhere near enough to achieve and maintain a drastic reduction.  

 

 

 

If it has to come to a full circuit breaker kind of tightening of measures, then so be it, rather than trying to accept a 10,000+ to 20,000+ cases per day when the healthcare system is already severely strained as evidenced by MOH calling for more nurses and volunteers? We can start off by cutting VTLs quotas by 90% and remove dine-in. See where it takes us. These are no circuit breaker measures as people still can go out for non-essential stuff like visiting friends. 
 

Right now, we have not tightened any restrictions for a few months already and infection cases are not dropping but increasing. So what’s next to bring down covid cases? Do nothing and expect them to drop? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result. 

[singalion]

The first measure was already to postpone relaxing the rules.

 

If the high numbers around 20k prevail for the coming 5 days, I predict, some heavier measures will be implemented.

 

It is just a matter of time.

 

But if the numbers out of a sudden decline, then probably not.

 

Haven't we heard it before? "It will be gone by the summer..."  haha

 

The pressure on the health system is not "healthy".

 

 

[Guest Guest]

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/singapore/let-me-get-covid-please-shifting-views-of-virus-in-singapore-prompts-expert-to-warn-against-actively-seeking-out-infection/ar-AAUgDpx?li=AAAHpny&ocid=mailsignout

 

OMG ... this is what happens when the government tries to promote "endemic living" by lowering its guard and having people go around undermining the seriousness of the COVID virus by claiming that it is just the flu, and making statements like "Sooner or later, every one of us will meet the virus." 

  

Excerpt: 

"After advertising tech firm manager Lukas Ng kept telling his friends he wanted to "catch Covid-19", one of them wrote a song about it. A line in the lyrics of the song, that friends of the 32-year-old have been circulating among themselves goes: "Let me get Covid, please!"

 

Ng's eagerness to get Covid-19 is not the norm but it's part of a marked change in attitudes that Singaporeans - especially younger, healthier people - have towards the virus, since the government called for mindsets to change.

 

This is scary. What have the government done??? It almost reminds me of what we used to call the HIV bug-chasers during the AIDS pandemic, except those fools were trying to get themselves infected with HIV last time. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/25/2022 at 2:43 PM, Guest Wide Berth said:

If it has to come to a full circuit breaker kind of tightening of measures, then so be it, rather than trying to accept a 10,000+ to 20,000+ cases per day when the healthcare system is already severely strained as evidenced by MOH calling for more nurses and volunteers? We can start off by cutting VTLs quotas by 90% and remove dine-in. See where it takes us. These are no circuit breaker measures as people still can go out for non-essential stuff like visiting friends. 
 

Right now, we have not tightened any restrictions for a few months already and infection cases are not dropping but increasing. So what’s next to bring down covid cases? Do nothing and expect them to drop? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result. 

If people can visit friends etc, the numbers are not going to suddenly reduce to 100 cases a day. And look at how many imported cases there are now compared to local cases… cutting VTLs is not going to make any difference.

 

if you have practical, realistic suggestions, please make them. Otherwise, just keep living in some fantasy land where stopping dine in is magically going to fix everything. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/25/2022 at 12:09 PM, singalion said:

For those who say these numbers are not much relevant.

 

The 0.03% number of deceased people the past 28 days gives reference on how many deaths can be expected in the coming days as long as Omicron is not overcome.

 

From my rough calculation the number should be nearing 0.046 at the moment.

 

Let us take the provisional 0.429 % which I calculated for the first 21 days in February.

 

This would mean that from the number of infected about 138.42 people will die from Covid within 1 month.

 

 

Maybe now can understand why this number is relevant.

 

 

Note also that the classification of who died due to Covid is very restrictive in Singapore.

Many cases with underlying other medical conditions that have deceased were not classified as Covid deaths but under the different sections.

This can easily be seen from other country data that contributes a liver failure for example to Covid as Covid was the main cause of illness. In other relevant countries the percentage of death by Omicron is indicated as 1.31%.

 

 

more nonsense from you: ‘the classification of who died due to Covid is very restrictive in Singapore’

 

the criteria of what classifies as a covid death or not is fixed by the WHO:
 

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf

 

This is also a topic that has developed during the course of the pandemic and as the understanding of covid has changed. 
 

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

 

Finally, how do you propose omicron be ‘overcome’? What does that look like? 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/25/2022 at 1:18 AM, Guest Wide Berth said:

Try understanding properly before assuming people did not read properly. 
 

And your proposal of living with 10,000, 20,000+ cases per day as if that is acceptable is no less ridiculous than ignoring more people with non-covid illnesses will be denied medical care due to surge in covid cases. 
 

Lastly, how is it that you specifically believe that somehow you have better insight and knowledge and a better proposal than the 2 countries who are steadfast in protecting the health and welfare of their own people and rejecting the fallacy of living with covid? 

“2 countries who are steadfast in protecting the health and welfare of their own people”

😆 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/hong-kong-families-despair-as-covid-19-rules-may-separate-them-from-children

[Guest Wtf]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/doctors-nurses-struggle-to-cope-as-covid-19-patients-flock-to-ae-depts-many-with-mild-symptoms
 

“When The Straits Times spoke to doctors in the various A&E departments of public hospitals, many said they continue to see droves of patients who have tested positive on ART kits but display little or no symptoms, stretching waiting times as well as the already thinning resources and strained manpower.

 

The doctors and healthcare workers requested anonymity, so their names have been changed.

 

Remy, 30, a doctor who works in the A&E department of a public hospital, said that the most recent surge of Omicron cases has hit the emergency departments hard, with senior and junior doctors seeing double the number of patients per shift on a daily basis.

 

He said: "Many of these patients have the mindset that because they have presented themselves to the A&E department, they need to be seen immediately."

 

According to 26-year-old A&E doctor Claire, about two-thirds of patients she saw were assessed to be at the third level of priority for care, P3. Some symptoms that fall into the P3 level are sprains, minor injuries, minor abdominal pain, vomiting, fever, rashes, and mild headaches.”

 

[Guest Guest]

On 2/25/2022 at 4:15 PM, Guest Wtf said:

If people can visit friends etc, the numbers are not going to suddenly reduce to 100 cases a day. And look at how many imported cases there are now compared to local cases… cutting VTLs is not going to make any difference.

 

if you have practical, realistic suggestions, please make them. Otherwise, just keep living in some fantasy land where stopping dine in is magically going to fix everything. 

 

And what is YOUR practical, realistic suggestions to reduce to 100 cases a day? Let everybody dies of COVID? Let's hear you say it out loud: "Let COVID burn through the entire land and let everyone die from it". Go ahead, say it to everyone here. 

 

And did you complain about the larger number of imported cases when the VTLs were opened? So now that the floodgates has been breached wide open and there is more local cases than imported cases, you want everyone to just surrender and leave the VTLs wide opened for more imported cases to come in? Oh! How smart you are! I bet you will also be the first to surrender the entire Singapore to the enemy the moment one of them set foot onto the land during a war.

 

I am seriously doubting where your loyalty lies now. I doubt if you are even local. And even if you are a local, I am beginning to suspect that you might just be another "Dickson Yeo". 

 

 

On 2/25/2022 at 4:28 PM, Guest Wtf said:

“2 countries who are steadfast in protecting the health and welfare of their own people”

😆

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/hong-kong-families-despair-as-covid-19-rules-may-separate-them-from-children

 

OH! So now you are suddenly sooo concerned about Hong Kong families' despair as Covid-19 rules may separate them from children? Did Singaporean families despair when their children were quarantined?

 

Please stop all the false pretense of any concern for any human beings already. If you couldn't even care if people gets separated due to COVID-deaths, why should you start worrying about people getting separated due to COVID-quarantine?  Besides, if not for the surge in our local cases, will more people even need to be quarantine in the first place?

 

You are such a stupid hypocrite not to realize you basically shot into your own goal. 

 

 

On 2/25/2022 at 4:32 PM, Guest Wtf said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/doctors-nurses-struggle-to-cope-as-covid-19-patients-flock-to-ae-depts-many-with-mild-symptoms
 

“When The Straits Times spoke to doctors in the various A&E departments of public hospitals, many said they continue to see droves of patients who have tested positive on ART kits but display little or no symptoms, stretching waiting times as well as the already thinning resources and strained manpower.

 

The doctors and healthcare workers requested anonymity, so their names have been changed.

 

Remy, 30, a doctor who works in the A&E department of a public hospital, said that the most recent surge of Omicron cases has hit the emergency departments hard, with senior and junior doctors seeing double the number of patients per shift on a daily basis.

 

He said: "Many of these patients have the mindset that because they have presented themselves to the A&E department, they need to be seen immediately."

 

According to 26-year-old A&E doctor Claire, about two-thirds of patients she saw were assessed to be at the third level of priority for care, P3. Some symptoms that fall into the P3 level are sprains, minor injuries, minor abdominal pain, vomiting, fever, rashes, and mild headaches.”

 

 

So P3 care means no need care? If not for the surge in COVID cases, all these P3 care will still be managed by the doctors at the A&E, and the doctors won't be complaining about such cases in the first place. 

 

Don't go blame the patients for seeing the doctor. Blame people like you for causing the surge in cases in the first place. If not for the surge in the daily COVID-infected, all these P3 cases will just be another case in another day at the A&E.   

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 2/25/2022 at 5:03 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

And what is YOUR practical, realistic suggestions to reduce to 100 cases a day? Let everybody dies of COVID? Let's hear you say it out loud: "Let COVID burn through the entire land and let everyone die from it". Go ahead, say it to everyone here. 

 

And did you complain about the larger number of imported cases when the VTLs were opened? So now that the floodgates has been breached wide open and there is more local cases than imported cases, you want everyone to just surrender and leave the VTLs wide opened for more imported cases to come in? Oh! How smart you are! I bet you will also be the first to surrender the entire Singapore to the enemy the moment one of them set foot onto the land during a war.

 

I am seriously doubting where your loyalty lies now. I doubt if you are even local. And even if you are a local, I am beginning to suspect that you might just be another "Dickson Yeo". 

 

 

 

OH! So now you are suddenly sooo concerned about Hong Kong families' despair as Covid-19 rules may separate them from children? Did Singaporean families despair when their children were quarantined?

 

Please stop all the false pretense of any concern for any human beings already. If you couldn't even care if people gets separated due to COVID-deaths, why should you start worrying about people getting separated due to COVID-quarantine?  Besides, if not for the surge in our local cases, will more people even need to be quarantine in the first place?

 

You are such a stupid hypocrite not to realize you basically shot into your own goal. 

 

 

 

So P3 care means no need care? If not for the surge in COVID cases, all these P3 care will still be managed by the doctors at the A&E, and the doctors won't be complaining about such cases in the first place. 

 

Don't go blame the patients for seeing the doctor. Blame people like you for causing the surge in cases in the first place. If not for the surge in the daily COVID-infected, all these P3 cases will just be another case in another day at the A&E.   

 

 

🎺 🎶 

[singalion]

On 2/25/2022 at 4:25 PM, Guest Wtf said:

more nonsense from you: ‘the classification of who died due to Covid is very restrictive in Singapore’

 

the criteria of what classifies as a covid death or not is fixed by the WHO:
 

https://www.who.int/classifications/icd/Guidelines_Cause_of_Death_COVID-19.pdf

 

This is also a topic that has developed during the course of the pandemic and as the understanding of covid has changed. 
 

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

 

Finally, how do you propose omicron be ‘overcome’? What does that look like? 

 

Sorry wrong:

 

Singapore has made clear in various publications that it defers from the usual classification.

( I am not the first one who commented on this here).

 

 

You don't present any facts that Singapore informed or confirmed that it fully adheres to the WHO classification guidelines.

 

The WHO document is a mere guideline and is not binding on the member countries.

 

The article from the Association of American Medical Colleges is irrelevant to the issue as it does not say anything on Singapore.

 

Your permanent calling of anything in question what I write in this thread is already questionable.

 

Please facts not some links to here and there that are irrelevant and don't support your point.