Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest Guest]

On 6/30/2022 at 5:25 PM, sgmaven said:

Don't forget that the original wild strain of the virus tended to show itself with a fever. That was why temperature scanners were used everywhere during the early days of the pandemic.

 

Now, with Omicron and its sub-variants, a fever is not as common a symptom. That is why temperature scanners have been retired all over the world (for detecting possible COVID infections). Can you suggest what sort of protocol you would administer to allow for transport and logistic staff entering the country, yet prevent ANY virus from entering our shores?

 

OH!  So you DO know that there were protocols for those transport drivers? But as expected, you came up with multiple excuses why lockdown will not work? Any new excuses that you also want to come up with? Insects and birds might come in through the Causeway into the country to spread the virus? The winds might blow the virus all the way from the USA and EU into the country?

 

If the country was run by foreigners like you in the past, it would have been better off staying in Malaysia.

 

On 6/30/2022 at 5:25 PM, sgmaven said:

Oh! You mean all those empty units in malls and in neighbourhoods have been empty all along? Come on! Lots of the suburban malls have so many more empty or vacated units than before the pandemic struck. In the past, most malls would have a ready tenant willing to take up a vacated unit if someone gives up the lease. You would have been able to see how even the more popular malls had problems finding tenants during the pandemic. Even now, with controls being reduced to a minimum, you still see empty units around (especially in the upper floors of suburban malls). If that is not evidence of businesses going under, I wonder what you think? Perhaps you think they decided to take their business to an even higher-priced location?

 

Why don't you bring this up to CNA and debate with the Minister of State for Trade and Industry, Low Yen Ling? Go tell her that she is a L-I-A-R.

[sgmaven]

On 6/30/2022 at 5:43 PM, Guest Guest said:

OH!  So you DO know that there were protocols for those transport drivers? But as expected, you came up with multiple excuses why lockdown will not work?

So, what protocol would you use to screen these transport workers who enter the country to deliver goods? Temperature-scanners don't work. So what are you suggesting? Otherwise, with the number who enter the country each day, you might as well let tourists in as well...

[Guest Guest]

On 6/30/2022 at 5:40 PM, sgmaven said:

I think memories are short when it comes to the pandemic and the control measures. During the lockdown, almost all shops except those selling groceries and medicines had to close. F&B could only be for takeaway, at best. So, if you were a shop selling, for example, electronic gadgets, you would have had to close. If you were an eatery, you would quickly have to pivot towards takeaway business, and move online. Those that did not jump on the food-delivery app bandwagon got hit very hard. And don't forget that the food delivery app companies also extracted a hefty margin, so many eateries had to increase prices or reduce portion size to keep going. You might say that those F&B businesses that did not embrace the food-delivery apps and went bust only had themselves to blame, but don't forget that all that was happening when business-owners were also faced with problems with staff - many working in F&B are not local, so accommodation for the staff, and whether they wanted to return to their homeland, etc.; as well as supply chain issues - many forget how we would suddenly run out of certain things in supermarkets due to the supply chain hiccups.

 

You mentioned travel agents and money changers, but you also forget those who do business targeted at tourists. There are souvenir shops that really only sell to tourists and visitors, for example. As for other businesses, don't forget that many businesses who do in-person mass events were severely impacted too. Events companies, pasar malam operators, etc.

 

OH!  And so you know that there was a lockdown in the past?? So, you know that "During the lockdown, almost all shops except those selling groceries and medicines had to close. F&B could only be for takeaway.... If you were an eatery, you would quickly have to pivot towards takeaway business, and move online"....

 

So whatever happened to your idea that a lockdown will mean that everyone gets thrown into Changi Prison and the lucky ones gets exiled into Pulau Tekong where people need to grow their own food supply etc? Wasn't that your interpretation of a "lockdown" the moment that suggestion comes up?? You mean.... that wasn't a lockdown in the past?

[Guest Guest]

On 6/30/2022 at 5:46 PM, sgmaven said:

So, what protocol would you use to screen these transport workers who enter the country to deliver goods? Temperature-scanners don't work. So what are you suggesting? Otherwise, with the number who enter the country each day, you might as well let tourists in as well...

 

I seeeee! So, just because YOU, the ULTIMATE brilliant mind in the entire country, cannot come up with a solution to the problem, so the country should just open up the borders WIDE open to let everyone in? That's what you were saying?

 

 

 

[Guest Captain Obvious]

On 6/30/2022 at 6:12 PM, Since u r here said:

all of u are aware that even though infected by covid virus, u may get a chance again right?

https://www.facebook.com/160823460655497/posts/pfbid08MYgdjHvmQweW7RYEzXeAxj6JoSuSR6zD65AvbbHNRCCwbdFtZY9bqkcxgURK1eol/?d=n

Thank you, Captain Obvious! 

[singalion]

On 6/30/2022 at 5:46 PM, sgmaven said:

So, what protocol would you use to screen these transport workers who enter the country to deliver goods? Temperature-scanners don't work. So what are you suggesting? Otherwise, with the number who enter the country each day, you might as well let tourists in as well...

 

Do PCR tests and let the fruits and vegetable rot on the trucks.... 😆

 

Fruits and vegetable are not just coming from Malaysia but also from Thailand... the latter transports also through Malaysia to Singapore... by trucks.

 

The Guest troll just submitted another self goal as again he is talking of a full lockdown, while earlier he said he was never asking for a full lockdown...

 

This Guest troll himself never comes up with any single solution but asks others to present solutions. The only thing he can do is trolling...

 

Don't waste your time with this troll...

 

 

Edited June 30, 2022 by singalion

[sgmaven]

On 6/30/2022 at 5:51 PM, Guest Guest said:

So whatever happened to your idea that a lockdown will mean that everyone gets thrown into Changi Prison and the lucky ones gets exiled into Pulau Tekong where people need to grow their own food supply etc? Wasn't that your interpretation of a "lockdown" the moment that suggestion comes up?? You mean.... that wasn't a lockdown in the past?

Where the hell did I ever say that? Can you please point me to that?

[sgmaven]

On 6/30/2022 at 5:54 PM, Guest Guest said:

I seeeee! So, just because YOU, the ULTIMATE brilliant mind in the entire country, cannot come up with a solution to the problem, so the country should just open up the borders WIDE open to let everyone in? That's what you were saying?

You have a knack for twisting my words... What I am saying is that if you are unable to guarantee that no new foreign imports of the virus will occur through transport/logistics workers, then why do you need to close the borders to other visitors?

[sgmaven]

On 6/30/2022 at 6:41 PM, singalion said:

Do PCR tests and let the fruits and vegetable rot on the trucks.... 😆

And we all know that PCR tests take time to process... So, yes, the fruits and vegetables can then rot under our hot and humid conditions.🤦‍♂️

 

ART tests aren't definitive either, so I do wonder how our dear Guest Guest troll would suggest we manage to maintain this semi-porous border, without running the risk of introducing new cases of COVID?

 

Meanwhile, he chooses to ignore the more than 20k active cases within the country...

[lonelyglobe]

On 6/30/2022 at 5:40 PM, sgmaven said:

You mentioned travel agents and money changers, but you also forget those who do business targeted at tourists. There are souvenir shops that really only sell to tourists and visitors, for example. As for other businesses, don't forget that many businesses who do in-person mass events were severely impacted too. Events companies, pasar malam operators, etc.

Your original post is about neighbourhood business, then you include tourist places. Unless you are able to provide figures,  otherwise this discussion should stop here as it will be meaningless to just say many,  i can also many are not affected at all, that is just a sweeping statement. 

Edited June 30, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[sgmaven]

On 6/30/2022 at 11:13 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Your original post is about neighbourhood business, then you include tourist places. Unless you are able to provide figures,  otherwise this discussion should stop here as it will be meaningless to just say many,  i can also many are not affected at all, that is just a sweeping statement. 

If you just want to look at neighbourhood businesses, then you can look at a lot of F&B that used to serve the supper crowd. So many of them have fallen on bad times since the pandemic, and have never recovered. Also affected are those shops that specialise in items used for travel, which you know, ground to a halt during the pandemic, though is on the rebound now. I used to smile to myself when Apple released the Air Tags, because hardly anyone was travelling at that point in time...

[Guest Guest]

 

On 6/30/2022 at 10:08 PM, sgmaven said:

You have a knack for twisting my words... What I am saying is that if you are unable to guarantee that no new foreign imports of the virus will occur through transport/logistics workers, then why do you need to close the borders to other visitors?

 

OH! Look who is complaining about anyone having a knack to twist a person's words! Who started the idea that it will require a nation to cut off its food supply from the rest of the world when the word "lockdown" was mentioned? And yet, when other people doubled down on you to say that a "lockdown" require everyone to  stay in Changi Prison, YOU complained? LOL!

 

So, again, who has a knack for twisting other people's words here?
 

 

On 6/30/2022 at 10:12 PM, sgmaven said:

And we all know that PCR tests take time to process... So, yes, the fruits and vegetables can then rot under our hot and humid conditions.🤦‍♂️

 

ART tests aren't definitive either, so I do wonder how our dear Guest Guest troll would suggest we manage to maintain this semi-porous border, without running the risk of introducing new cases of COVID?

 

Meanwhile, he chooses to ignore the more than 20k active cases within the country...

 

Yes ... yes ... yes ... PCR will take time to process .. fruits and vegetables will rot under our hot and humid weather.

 

So, are you saying that Singapore should therefore open its borders wide open to allow everyone unfettered entry into the country?

 

On 6/30/2022 at 6:41 PM, singalion said:

 

Do PCR tests and let the fruits and vegetable rot on the trucks.... 😆

 

Fruits and vegetable are not just coming from Malaysia but also from Thailand... the latter transports also through Malaysia to Singapore... by trucks.

 

The Guest troll just submitted another self goal as again he is talking of a full lockdown, while earlier he said he was never asking for a full lockdown...

 

This Guest troll himself never comes up with any single solution but asks others to present solutions. The only thing he can do is trolling...

 

Don't waste your time with this troll...

 

Really? "self goal as again he is talking of a full lockdown, while earlier he said he was never asking for a full lockdown..." ?

 

Show me those posts, singa--LIAR.

[lonelyglobe]

On 7/1/2022 at 2:22 AM, sgmaven said:

 a lot of F&B 

So many of them 

Figures? 

[sgmaven]

On 7/1/2022 at 8:33 AM, Guest Guest said:

So, are you saying that Singapore should therefore open its borders wide open to allow everyone unfettered entry into the country?

Do you know that by the time you administer PCR tests on each lorry driver or air crew (for freight aircraft), and wait for the results before letting them enter the country, the whole supply chain would be decimated? Most lorry drivers coming in from Malaysia do it on a daily basis, some even doing multiple trips in a day. That allows for the volume of goods that needs to be brought into Singapore. Administering PCR tests on each driver would mean that each lorry would be delayed for at least a day, which significantly impacts the volume of goods that can be transported. Also, whereabouts do you suggest that these drivers be "quarrantined" at, while they wait for the results of their PCR tests? You also do know that a person testing negative on PCR on one day, could still test positive the next day, and hence be shedding virus just the same, don't you?

[sgmaven]

On 7/1/2022 at 8:33 AM, Guest Guest said:

And yet, when other people doubled down on you to say that a "lockdown" require everyone to  stay in Changi Prison, YOU complained? LOL!

Since when did anyone talk about Changi Prison? Please remind me, and refer me to the posts...

[sgmaven]

On 7/1/2022 at 11:07 AM, lonelyglobe said:

Figures? 

You can claim that I have confirmation bias, or something to that effect, but just a casual walk around my own neighbourhood and its malls, shows the number of shops that have been vacated. Of course, now that restrictions have been loosened, there are willing takers for the leases. However, that does not account for the shops that have stopped their business (and no, they did not just open up somewhere else).

[singalion]

On 7/1/2022 at 11:07 AM, lonelyglobe said:

Figures? 

 

Why don't you ask the Minister to give a proper breakdown?

 

Unless you walk around with closed eyes, but the Pandemic impact on the retail, hospitalisation, f&B has been obvious.

You did not see all those covered up shops in the heartland malls and the shopping belts?

 

Even at Orchard, take Far East Plaza, The Heeren upper floors, Centrepoint Mall, Central the small boutique area looked devastated starting by Sep - Dec 2020 and even worse in mid 2021. Many of the "famous" restaurants at Far East Plaza or Lucky Plaza died off. Same as plenty of the small niche boutiques are gone...

 

You can also walk the second floors on many heartland hawkers, the stalls are totally empty.

 

Straits times and other "mainstream" media ran various reports of food "entrepreneurs" and operators to having closed down their business (Either they went to early retirement or were unwilling to sustain more months with losses.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2022 by singalion

[singalion]

On 7/1/2022 at 8:33 AM, Guest Guest said:

Show me those posts, singa--LIAR.

OH! Look who is complaining about anyone having a knack to twist a person's words! Who started the idea that it will require a nation to cut off its food supply from the rest of the world when the word "lockdown" was mentioned? And yet, when other people doubled down on you to say that a "lockdown" require everyone to  stay in Changi Prison, YOU complained? LOL!

 

So, again, who has a knack for twisting other people's words here?
 

 

 

Yes ... yes ... yes ... PCR will take time to process .. fruits and vegetables will rot under our hot and humid weather.

 

So, are you saying that Singapore should therefore open its borders wide open to allow everyone unfettered entry into the country?

 

 

Really? "self goal as again he is talking of a full lockdown, while earlier he said he was never asking for a full lockdown..." ?

 

 

 

Thanks for telling us what troll is behind these posts.

 

Edited July 1, 2022 by singalion

[singalion]

On 6/30/2022 at 11:13 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Your original post is about neighbourhood business, then you include tourist places. Unless you are able to provide figures,  otherwise this discussion should stop here as it will be meaningless to just say many,  i can also many are not affected at all, that is just a sweeping statement. 

 

You know very well that you won't get any accurate statistics on this.

 

And surely the Government won't paint any picture that the situation is (was) bad...

 

 

[singalion]

Probably to sum it up:

 

With a vaccination rate at 92% of the total population (means inclusive of Foreign work pass holders) and under the condition of the new strains being under the Omicron category (having only "mild" impact) a lock down for Singapore and closing of borders does not make any sense.

 

Tell all those elderly and vaccination objectors to get vaccinated...

For the elderly the booster shots should be expedited...

 

Why are we talking about closing borders and lockdown here?

 

 

[singalion]

On 7/1/2022 at 8:33 AM, Guest Guest said:

Really? "self goal as again he is talking of a full lockdown, while earlier he said he was never asking for a full lockdown..." ?

 

Show me those posts, singa--LIAR.

 

Here you can have it in your own words.

 

Think people have  a short memory?

 

So, you did not ask for a full lockdown, really?

How dumb that BW shows it from your own post.

 

On 6/28/2022 at 5:29 PM, Guest Guest said:

We should never have opened up, just open up to make dollars and risked the lives of millions of people. See China, they are still having strict lockdowns when there is a spike in covid cases, definitely, there is something that they know about the covid.we should learn from them

[singalion]

 

S'poreans still travelling despite global resurgence of Covid-19 cases, missing luggage at airports worldwide

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/consumer/sporeans-still-travelling-despite-global-resurgence-of-covid-19-cases-missing-luggage-at-airports-worldwide

[jlone]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/halimah-yacob-tan-chuan-jin-edwin-tong-test-positive-for-covid-19

Edited July 5, 2022 by jlone

[jlone]

On 7/5/2022 at 12:21 PM, Since u r here said:

cheh! i tot what big news.....

her speech is peppered w propaganda .......abt fortunately she was vaccinated.......

 

the bigger news shd be yestday Parliamt sitting - Plenty of MPs gotten 1 by 1

Now it's their turn to get the feeling of covid

[Guest Bystander]

Edwin Tong not 1st time tio

[Guest Hiao Chee 冰冰]

You not afraid he sue you is it🤣

[singalion]

the Tuesday peak...

 

12,784 new Covid-19 cases in Singapore, highest since March 22

 

Published 5 Jul 2022,

SINGAPORE - There were 12,784 new Covid-19 cases recorded in Singapore on Tuesday (July 5), about double the 5,946 cases on Monday.

There were two deaths reported.

There were 536 new imported cases, with 37 detected through PCR tests and 499 through ART.

 

 

[Guest Why?]

On 7/6/2022 at 10:38 PM, Since u r here said:

rising too, even for imported!!!

it is getting worrisome!

 

i wish to know are the imported due to foreigners or more of we locals returned from our overseas tour?

why? 

[Guest Guest]

On 6/29/2022 at 4:45 PM, sgmaven said:

I am ashamed of Singaporeans who call other people such things, just because they do not agree with their POV. Keep things civil.

 

Did you serve your Singapore national service? Carried arms? Wasted a couple of years protecting the nation? Are you even a local in the first place to be entitled to be ashamed of Singaporeans in the first place? If not, learn to shuddup. 

[sgmaven]

On 7/7/2022 at 4:16 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Did you serve your Singapore national service? Carried arms? Wasted a couple of years protecting the nation? Are you even a local in the first place to be entitled to be ashamed of Singaporeans in the first place? If not, learn to shuddup. 

Of course I served my 2.5 years in the army! And it was 2.5 years before it got shortened for most of the younger folk here.

 

Do you really think that NS is totally a waste of time? If that is so, then go ask many other countries, including the neutral countries like Switzerland, why they continue with the practice of compulsory conscription.

 

When I see what has happened in the Ukraine, and the people rushing to get trained to use a rifle, etc. I am thankful that I have at least been taught the basics. Yes, I am no longer a reservist, due to my age, but at least I know that I will still stand ready to protect my country.

Perhaps you take our own independence for granted, and will be the first to flee if a neighbouring country were to invade...

 

Shame on you! Hiding behind the mask of a Guest, and making baseless accusations. Perhaps it is you who should learn some manners and keep your mouth shut!

Edited July 7, 2022 by sgmaven

[sgmaven]

On 7/8/2022 at 3:50 PM, Since u r here said:

but what does this mean?"Слава Україні!" is it a Ukraine lang to supp them?  are u the batch of NS that supported our sg covid situation? if yes, thank u so muccch!

 

the mods wont be too happie if the topic derailed too far, do note

 

 

I supported the tight border controls and of social distancing in Singapore, when we did not have that many cases on our shores. In my view, the government slipped up with Delta, and they let things go out of control, with the first major wave on our shores - almost every family was affected at that stage (if not immediate family, then the extended family). By then, it was too late to rein things in, or to limit the entry of foreigners. Our community cases were causing more problems with transmission than foreigners visiting/transiting, or Singaporeans acquiring COVID-19 while overseas. That is why I think that the economic cost of closing our borders at this stage is not worth it.

 

It would be a totally different matter if our community cases were just a handful. In that case, I would have preferred if the government had better control of the borders. That said, it is easier said than done, with the latest sub-variants of Omicron being more illusive.

[Guest Guest]

On 7/8/2022 at 2:50 AM, sgmaven said:

Of course I served my 2.5 years in the army! And it was 2.5 years before it got shortened for most of the younger folk here.

 

On 7/8/2022 at 3:50 PM, Since u r here said:

are u the batch of NS that supported our sg covid situation? if yes, thank u so muccch!

 

aunty @Since u r here iq u don hv, eq u don hv, general knowledge u aso don hv, n now u cant read properly. he say he served 2.5 yr, den how to b e recent nsf to help out covid situation - he probably as old as u, half century alrdy, ppl so wise but u still act so gu-niang kid, tok nonsense nia

[Guest Guest]

 

 

On 7/8/2022 at 5:46 PM, sgmaven said:

I supported the tight border controls and of social distancing in Singapore, when we did not have that many cases on our shores. In my view, the government slipped up with Delta, and they let things go out of control, with the first major wave on our shores - almost every family was affected at that stage (if not immediate family, then the extended family). By then, it was too late to rein things in, or to limit the entry of foreigners. Our community cases were causing more problems with transmission than foreigners visiting/transiting, or Singaporeans acquiring COVID-19 while overseas. That is why I think that the economic cost of closing our borders at this stage is not worth it.

 

It would be a totally different matter if our community cases were just a handful. In that case, I would have preferred if the government had better control of the borders. That said, it is easier said than done, with the latest sub-variants of Omicron being more illusive.

 

That's the problem!

 

Other people learnt the lessons from Delta, knowing how the government slipped up and let things go out of control, with the first major wave on Singapore shores. And they knew that  it was too late to rein things in, or to limit the entry of foreigners by  then. And this is why some are calling for the tighter controls now. 

 

But for you ... you never learn. At this moment of time, handful or not handful, you just want to let the waves happen over and over again. You claim you have served your National Service. Is that what you were taught then? Letting more enemies come into the Singapore shores because a handful of them doesn't matter to you,  and/or many of them overrunning the country also doesn't matter to you anymore?  And all for what?  Economic cost of closing our borders at this stage is not worth it? 

 

Wow ... just wow! 

[sgmaven]

My dear Guest Guest, you only know how to hide behind the veil of the Guest moniker, and too afraid to reveal who you are. Meanwhile, you only know how to insult others and accuse them of all sorts of things that you have zero evidence of. You are no better than the likes of Trump, claiming a rigged election!

 

Did our COVID-19 case rate ever drop to a handful of new cases a day, after the Delta wave? No! So what rubbish about tightening controls at the border? You are advocating for the fire brigade to stand at the beaches, waiting for people coming in with matches, when your houses are already ablaze! Our case rates are in the thousands, and we already have no way of contact tracing and ring-fencing the spread of the disease. At the current numbers, you would have to quarrantine about 10% of the people in Singapore! Tell me how practical that is!

 

The government showed that it could do well with ring-fencing and contact tracing when cases were in the tens (double digits). Considering that the average person, even during the restrictions of before, comes into contact with about 1000 or more people, you can imagine what it would be like to try to quarrantine people now. It is like spilling the milk and trying to retrieve it... Too late!

 

As some people have mentioned before, more people are dying currently of Dengue than of COVID-19 in Singapore. Are we then going to seal off parts of Singapore if Dengue counts reach a certain number?

 

If you are so afraid of this current scenario, then I advice you to just stay home and not go out at all... Most Singaporeans would rather live with the risk of the disease (considering the much lower mortality rate currently), and enjoy some freedom of movement.

[Guest Guest]

On 7/9/2022 at 2:49 AM, sgmaven said:

My dear Guest Guest, you only know how to hide behind the veil of the Guest moniker, and too afraid to reveal who you are. Meanwhile, you only know how to insult others and accuse them of all sorts of things that you have zero evidence of. You are no better than the likes of Trump, claiming a rigged election!

 

Did our COVID-19 case rate ever drop to a handful of new cases a day, after the Delta wave? No! So what rubbish about tightening controls at the border? You are advocating for the fire brigade to stand at the beaches, waiting for people coming in with matches, when your houses are already ablaze! Our case rates are in the thousands, and we already have no way of contact tracing and ring-fencing the spread of the disease. At the current numbers, you would have to quarrantine about 10% of the people in Singapore! Tell me how practical that is!

 

The government showed that it could do well with ring-fencing and contact tracing when cases were in the tens (double digits). Considering that the average person, even during the restrictions of before, comes into contact with about 1000 or more people, you can imagine what it would be like to try to quarrantine people now. It is like spilling the milk and trying to retrieve it... Too late!

 

As some people have mentioned before, more people are dying currently of Dengue than of COVID-19 in Singapore. Are we then going to seal off parts of Singapore if Dengue counts reach a certain number?

 

If you are so afraid of this current scenario, then I advice you to just stay home and not go out at all... Most Singaporeans would rather live with the risk of the disease (considering the much lower mortality rate currently), and enjoy some freedom of movement.

 

So, your idea is to do border controls when there are only 10s of cases everyday, but then just let COVID rip through the entire population when it is more than that? Come, let us all clap for you! 

[sgmaven]

On 7/9/2022 at 3:57 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

So, your idea is to do border controls when there are only 10s of cases everyday, but then just let COVID rip through the entire population when it is more than that? Come, let us all clap for you! 

What is your proposed solution? Sealing up the country? Sealing the country at this stage isn't going to help, since we have our own reservoir of the virus to spread around the community. Or are you suggesting another lockdown in Singapore?

 

Then, you have "special dispensation" for food deliveries and other essentials. Since all these require people to transport, how do you prevent the transport workers who carry the virus from entering the country? Quarantine? You do know that many of these workers make multiple trips in and out of the country each day, don't you? Administering a quarantine system for them would choke up your supply chain. Also, where would you put these people while they are "serving their quarantine"?

 

You remind me of a person who wants the cake and eat it as well... You can't have things both ways, can you?

Edited July 8, 2022 by sgmaven

[Guest Guest]

On 7/9/2022 at 4:10 AM, sgmaven said:

What is your proposed solution? Sealing up the country? Sealing the country at this stage isn't going to help, since we have our own reservoir of the virus to spread around the community. Or are you suggesting another lockdown in Singapore?

 

Yes ... yes .... let COVID rip it through the entire country! Burn, everyone, BURN! Happy that I am agreeing with you now? 

 

 

On 7/9/2022 at 4:10 AM, sgmaven said:

Then, you have "special dispensation" for food deliveries and other essentials. Since all these require people to transport, how do you prevent the transport workers who carry the virus from entering the country? Quarantine? You do know that many of these workers make multiple trips in and out of the country each day, don't you? Administering a quarantine system for them would choke up your supply chain. Also, where would you put these people while they are "serving their quarantine"?

 

Excuse me, did you learn ANYTHING from the last lockdown in Singapore? And you claim you are a Singaporean? I guess some Singaporeans like you will NEVER learn, will you? No wonder the entire country was still not well equipped to combat COVID despite all that was learned during SARS. And now, even after Delta, Omicron is on the rise again. 

 

So, sure! Go ahead! Learn again and again, so what if more people drop dead along the way, right? 

 

 

On 7/9/2022 at 4:10 AM, sgmaven said:

 

You remind me of a person who wants the cake and eat it as well... You can't have things both ways, can you?

 

Why not? And besides, even if I can't, why should you be the one to tell if I should only wanting the cake, or if I should  be eating it? 

[Guest Dumb af]

On 7/9/2022 at 4:39 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Yes ... yes .... let COVID rip it through the entire country! Burn, everyone, BURN! Happy that I am agreeing with you now? 

 

 

 

Excuse me, did you learn ANYTHING from the last lockdown in Singapore? And you claim you are a Singaporean? I guess some Singaporeans like you will NEVER learn, will you? No wonder the entire country was still not well equipped to combat COVID despite all that was learned during SARS. And now, even after Delta, Omicron is on the rise again. 

 

So, sure! Go ahead! Learn again and again, so what if more people drop dead along the way, right? 

 

 

 

Why not? And besides, even if I can't, why should you be the one to tell if I should only wanting the cake, or if I should  be eating it? 

IMH wifi seems to be working again, I guess. 

[Guest Guest]

On 7/9/2022 at 11:38 AM, Guest Dumb af said:

IMH wifi seems to be working again, I guess. 

 

Yes, your post came through from IMH. Please remember to use the test forum below for such test posts in the future. 

 

https://www.blowingwind.io/forum/forum/35-test-forum/ 

 

[sgmaven]

Obviously, some people just like to complain about things, without having any workable solutions. They also accuse others that they are not Singaporean, but don't show any "qualities" that show that they themselves are Singaporean. I think they are just here to create strife and discord. North Korean, perhaps? 🙄

 

This individual keeps stating that the number of infections keeps increasing, and the government still has not closed the borders. But if the infection rate is so high locally, that the virus is considered to be widely-circulating in the country, what is the point of closing the borders, and causing economic problems?

 

At the same time, the individual keeps talking about the deaths by COVID-19, which have been much lower than before the advent of vaccinations, but does not mention that most of these deaths are due to people who caught the disease locally from local Singaporeans, and most are not vaccinated!

 

I have mentioned before that Dengue is currently hospitalising and killing more people on our shores. So perhaps that individual may want to rant and rave about that too? Also, traffic accidents killed more than 100 people in Singapore last year, does the individual then want to ban all vehicular traffic?

 

[Guest Guest]

 

On 7/9/2022 at 4:49 PM, sgmaven said:

 

This individual keeps stating that the number of infections keeps increasing, and the government still has not closed the borders. But if the infection rate is so high locally, that the virus is considered to be widely-circulating in the country, what is the point of closing the borders, and causing economic problems?

 

 

 

So, basically, what you are saying is this: when the number is too low, there's no need to close the borders; when the numbers is too high, it is pointless to close the borders, right?

 

So, in other words, just keep the borders open forever, and that is what you are saying, correct? 

 

On 7/9/2022 at 4:49 PM, sgmaven said:

At the same time, the individual keeps talking about the deaths by COVID-19, which have been much lower than before the advent of vaccinations, but does not mention that most of these deaths are due to people who caught the disease locally from local Singaporeans, and most are not vaccinated!

 

Really? Deaths by COVID-19 have been much lower than before the advent of vaccinations?? Are you sure??? Or perhaps you are a liar? 

 

By December 2021 which is 2 years after COVID-19 was first discovered, 87% of the population is supposed to be fully vaccinated.     https://www.straitstimes.com/multimedia/graphics/2021/06/singapore-covid-vaccination-tracker/index.html?shell

 

But yet, 40% of the COVID deaths still happened in this first half year alone. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/ 

 

You can fool yourself to think that vaccination is going to be the solution to the COVID problem. But numbers don't lie: vaccination will not work on its own without social distancing and borders closure and monitoring.  

 

 

On 7/9/2022 at 4:49 PM, sgmaven said:

I have mentioned before that Dengue is currently hospitalising and killing more people on our shores. So perhaps that individual may want to rant and rave about that too? Also, traffic accidents killed more than 100 people in Singapore last year, does the individual then want to ban all vehicular traffic?

 

 

Are you sure dengue is killing more people on our shore? Reports like these sure indicate otherwise: "There was one reported death due to local dengue infection from Jan - Mar 2022." https://www.nea.gov.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-library/q1-dengue-surveillance-data-jan-mar-2022.pdf

 

And if traffic accidents killed more than 100 people in Singapore last year, then what about the number of COVID deaths in this half year alone: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/ 

 

 

 

Did you catch some liar-bugs from singa-liar? 

[sgmaven]

On 7/9/2022 at 5:48 PM, Guest Guest said:

So, basically, what you are saying is this: when the number is too low, there's no need to close the borders; when the numbers is too high, it is pointless to close the borders, right?

 

So, in other words, just keep the borders open forever, and that is what you are saying, correct?

Please do not put words into my mouth. It makes sense if you close borders if your local case rates are very low (a few a day - less than 10), since you can easily ring-fence the cases and isolate/quarantine those who have been in contact with those cases. However, you cannot even try to do that once the case rates are in the thousands, since you will be quarantining millions of people! If the risk of importing the disease is less significant than local transmission, then I would say that economic implications of border closures would support the case of keeping borders opened.

 

Please get your head around it. Just because someone disagrees with your POV does not give you the right to berate them!

[sgmaven]

Note that most of the people who have died from COVID-19 since the advent of vaccinations have been the UNVACCINATED.

[sgmaven]

On 7/9/2022 at 5:48 PM, Guest Guest said:

And if traffic accidents killed more than 100 people in Singapore last year, then what about the number of COVID deaths in this half year alone: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/

Did I say that more people died on the roads compared with that from COVID-19? What I implied was a similar proportion of people (in the hundreds) died on roads, and whether you would take the position to stop the use of vehicular traffic... You have a real knack of putting words into my mouth!

[Guest Dumb af]

On 7/9/2022 at 10:05 PM, Since u r here said:

it was a surprise reversal by them!!!!!! they usu dont give u a choice!
Cos some claimed the MRNA doesnt work well for non-omicron virants

this is also why sg has stopped offering boosters too

errr, China doesn’t have mRNA vaccine 🤦‍♂️ 

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/9/2022 at 7:07 PM, sgmaven said:

Please do not put words into my mouth. It makes sense if you close borders if your local case rates are very low (a few a day - less than 10), since you can easily ring-fence the cases and isolate/quarantine those who have been in contact with those cases. However, you cannot even try to do that once the case rates are in the thousands, since you will be quarantining millions of people! If the risk of importing the disease is less significant than local transmission, then I would say that economic implications of border closures would support the case of keeping borders opened.

 

Please get your head around it. Just because someone disagrees with your POV does not give you the right to berate them!

 

On 7/9/2022 at 7:11 PM, sgmaven said:

Note that most of the people who have died from COVID-19 since the advent of vaccinations have been the UNVACCINATED.

 

On 7/9/2022 at 7:13 PM, sgmaven said:

Did I say that more people died on the roads compared with that from COVID-19? What I implied was a similar proportion of people (in the hundreds) died on roads, and whether you would take the position to stop the use of vehicular traffic... You have a real knack of putting words into my mouth!

i admire your patience in trying to explain to the hysterical guest troll but it won’t make any difference. Their responses are either:

 

- illiterate 

- innumerate 

- ‘so you want everyone to die’

- ‘I know you are but what am I’

- ‘you’re a liar’

 

it’s hopeless… 

[Guest Guest]

 

On 7/9/2022 at 7:07 PM, sgmaven said:

Please do not put words into my mouth. It makes sense if you close borders if your local case rates are very low (a few a day - less than 10), since you can easily ring-fence the cases and isolate/quarantine those who have been in contact with those cases. However, you cannot even try to do that once the case rates are in the thousands, since you will be quarantining millions of people! If the risk of importing the disease is less significant than local transmission, then I would say that economic implications of border closures would support the case of keeping borders opened.

 

Please get your head around it. Just because someone disagrees with your POV does not give you the right to berate them!

 

 

WHAT????? "It makes sense if you close borders if your local case rates are very low (a few a day - less than 10)"???? That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard! You might as well shut the borders after COVID cases all over the world has blown over and is gone forever! 

 

And just to use your own logic on you now, since the number of monkeypox cases now only stands at 4, this should absolutely meet your criteria to shut down Singapore entire borders, shouldn't it? 

 

 

 

On 7/9/2022 at 7:11 PM, sgmaven said:

 

Note that most of the people who have died from COVID-19 since the advent of vaccinations have been the UNVACCINATED.

 

So? Is it a good excuse to keep the borders wide open simply because "most of the people who have died from COVID-19 since the advent of vaccinations have been the UNVACCINATED"??

 

Regardless if they are vaccinated or unvaccinated, does anyone of them deserve any less protection from the COVID? Not forgetting many of the old people are already immuno-compromised and they may not even be suitable for any type of vaccination shots then! 

 

In the future, during a war, would you also like to use the unvaccinated, the old and the babies as human shields for your own personal safety, just like how you are using the excuse that these people are unvaccinated and deserve to die for your economic benefits? 

 

 

 

On 7/9/2022 at 7:13 PM, sgmaven said:

Did I say that more people died on the roads compared with that from COVID-19? What I implied was a similar proportion of people (in the hundreds) died on roads, and whether you would take the position to stop the use of vehicular traffic... You have a real knack of putting words into my mouth!

 

No, you did not simply "imply" that a similar proportion of people (in the hundreds) died on roads. You not only blatantly claimed that "traffic accidents killed more than 100 people in Singapore last year", you also claimed that "Dengue is currently hospitalising and killing more people on our shores". Your post is quoted below:

 

On 7/9/2022 at 4:49 PM, sgmaven said:

I have mentioned before that Dengue is currently hospitalising and killing more people on our shores. So perhaps that individual may want to rant and rave about that too? Also, traffic accidents killed more than 100 people in Singapore last year, does the individual then want to ban all vehicular traffic?

 

 

But let me play along with your warped logic for a second: If traffic accidents killed an equivalent number of people in Singapore last year as it does with COVID, then the government should INDEED be imposing more restrictive rules and impose more traffic patrols along the roads 24/7/365. If traffic accidents killed an equivalent number of people in Singapore last year as it does with COVID, then the government should also be imposing more restrictive use of cars on the roads, instead of letting everyone use their cars as and when they want to, like the way they are allowing free flow of human traffic in and out and all around the country now. 

 

 

 

As for you, you have a real knack of claiming that people are putting words into your mouth! Who claimed that "Dengue is currently hospitalising and killing more people on our shores"? That is a big fat LIE. Now, did I put words into your mouth there? 

[jlone]

No point arguing among one another.

It's not going to change the situation and the garment won't be bothered by all these suggestions.

Unless you enjoy writing and shooting one another.

Thank you

[sgmaven]

On 7/12/2022 at 11:13 AM, Guest Guest said:

WHAT????? "It makes sense if you close borders if your local case rates are very low (a few a day - less than 10)"???? That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard! You might as well shut the borders after COVID cases all over the world has blown over and is gone forever! 

 

And just to use your own logic on you now, since the number of monkeypox cases now only stands at 4, this should absolutely meet your criteria to shut down Singapore entire borders, shouldn't it?

Does an uninfected person get infected by monkey pox, just because that person inadvertently came into close proximity (without physical contact) with someone who is infected with monkey pox? Please do not confuse modes of transmission and therefore use wrong techniques to control transmission!

 

On 7/12/2022 at 11:13 AM, Guest Guest said:

So? Is it a good excuse to keep the borders wide open simply because "most of the people who have died from COVID-19 since the advent of vaccinations have been the UNVACCINATED"??

 

Regardless if they are vaccinated or unvaccinated, does anyone of them deserve any less protection from the COVID? Not forgetting many of the old people are already immuno-compromised and they may not even be suitable for any type of vaccination shots then!

The government has offered free vaccinations to everyone in Singapore (including non-citizens) during the mass vaccination exercise. So, unless you have special medical reasons why you cannot be vaccinated, I really don't believe you should punish the majority (vaccinated) for the minority who choose not to be vaccinated (vaccine-skeptics). As for the truly immuno-compromised, they are susceptible to getting infected by all manner of virus and bacteria, and should be taking special precautions anyway. Don't think that immuno-compromised people are ONLY vulnerable to COVID-19. They die from the flu and many common illnesses. Hence, these people should be extra careful, and probably shelter at home.

 

On 7/12/2022 at 11:13 AM, Guest Guest said:

In the future, during a war, would you also like to use the unvaccinated, the old and the babies as human shields for your own personal safety, just like how you are using the excuse that these people are unvaccinated and deserve to die for your economic benefits?

There you go... Putting words into my mouth again... Where have I even suggested such nonsense before?

 

On 7/12/2022 at 11:13 AM, Guest Guest said:

No, you did not simply "imply" that a similar proportion of people (in the hundreds) died on roads. You not only blatantly claimed that "traffic accidents killed more than 100 people in Singapore last year", you also claimed that "Dengue is currently hospitalising and killing more people on our shores". Your post is quoted below

107 people died on the roads in 2021 (107 Deaths on the Roads - CNA source). Do you mean this is fake news? You should report this to the government then...

 

On 7/12/2022 at 11:13 AM, Guest Guest said:

But let me play along with your warped logic for a second: If traffic accidents killed an equivalent number of people in Singapore last year as it does with COVID, then the government should INDEED be imposing more restrictive rules and impose more traffic patrols along the roads 24/7/365. If traffic accidents killed an equivalent number of people in Singapore last year as it does with COVID, then the government should also be imposing more restrictive use of cars on the roads, instead of letting everyone use their cars as and when they want to, like the way they are allowing free flow of human traffic in and out and all around the country now.

The number of people who died on the roads in Singapore have always exceeded 100 in the past 10 years (except for the year 2020, which seems to be an anomaly) Number of fatalities in traffic accidents in Singapore from 2012 to 2021 source. In fact, these numbers used to be even higher. Does that mean that the government should be "imposing more restrictive use of cars on the roads" like you suggest? What sort of restrictions should then be imposed? Does that mean that buses will also be restricted by your rules?

[singalion]

On 7/9/2022 at 12:20 AM, Guest Guest said:

Other people learnt the lessons from Delta, knowing how the government slipped up and let things go out of control, with the first major wave on Singapore shores. And they knew that  it was too late to rein things in, or to limit the entry of foreigners by  then. And this is why some are calling for the tighter controls now. 

 

How do you know that Delta only slipped through to Singapore due to foreigners?

 

The case reported in the news there has never been any evidence who was the first one to have being infected with Delta in Singapore.  There is no certainty how anyone got infected with Delta.

The next seat occupant could have been a Singaporean and infected the first one during the flight...

 

It is too simple but false to state that Delta came to Singapore just by foreigners...

 

Imported case simply refers to someone who was infected overseas or during the flight to Singapore but doesn't say anything whether the person is a foreigner or local...

There is no conclusive evidence who was the first case that imported the Delta variant to Singapore (Unless any government releases this info, which I doubt.)

 

ST, 24 Jun 2021

Two of them are Singaporeans and the other two are permanent residents. All returned from India.

 

CNA: 18 Jun 2021

While MOH did not say when the first Delta variant case was confirmed in Singapore and which case this was, figures from the global epidemic tracker GISAID show that the first Delta case was detected here on Apr 1.

The GISAID data did not indicate if this first case was local or imported.

 

Here you have a timeline:

 

CNA: 25 Mar 2021

Among the new infections reported on Thursday, the sole symptomatic case is a Singaporean woman who returned from India.

 

CNA, 28 Mar 2021

Of the 12, one is Singaporean and two are permanent residents who returned from India.

 

CNA, 01 Apr 2021

3 SINGAPOREANS AMONG IMPORTED CASES

Of the 26 imported cases, three are Singaporeans who had returned from Indonesia, Yemen and India.

 

ST, 10 Jun 2021

It did not say when the first case was detected but an infection on April 28 was later attributed to the Delta variant or B16172.

 

ST, 24 Jun 2021

Two of them are Singaporeans and the other two are permanent residents. All returned from India.

 

=> Singaporeans also returned to Singapore from India, Nepal etc during the early times when Delta was peaking in India.

 

You forget that during those times most people arriving in Singapore where returning Singaporeans. Any social visitors were just a tiny minority.

Check the numbers that Changi airport publishes on arrivals and you will see the facts.

 

There were also Singaporeans that travelled to India in February, March 2021 against all advice from the Singapore Government and returned back.

 

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by singalion