Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[jlone]

 

[jlone]

 

[jlone]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/singapore-confirms-16870-new-covid-cases-highest-in-over-four-months-134951363.html

[sgmaven]

Unfortunately, most Singaporeans no longer treat COVID seriously anymore. Most people only wear masks where mandated, purely to adhere to rules. If you bother to look, most are not wearing them properly - their masks not fitted to seal their moth and nose. No wonder why so many new infections persist, even with our high vaccination rate. Coupled with the higher vaccine escape of the new variants, I expect even more local infections.

[singalion]

 

 

16,870 new Covid-19 cases in S'pore

 

ST Published 13 Jul 2022,

 

SINGAPORE - There were 16,870 new Covid-19 cases recorded in Singapore on Wednesday (July 13), almost triple the 5,979 cases on Tuesday.

 

The last time single-day cases was this high was on March 9, after the then-Omicron wave had peaked.

The Ministry of Health (MOH) said on its website that the increase was due to the spike normally seen after a long weekend.

 

MOH said there were 734 patients hospitalised, with 14 in intensive care and 90 requiring oxygen support.

There were three deaths reported.

 

 

 

The weekend peak. haha

 

Just wonder , if the world has any chance to get out of the Covid cycle???

 

 

 

 

[sgmaven]

On 7/14/2022 at 4:35 PM, singalion said:

Just wonder , if the world has any chance to get out of the Covid cycle???

There is no collective will to deal with it. Either "God" is merciful, and the virus mutates into something relatively harmless, or the governments will ask their people to suck it up and live with it...

[sgmaven]

By the way, the vaccine-development also shows the incredibly twisted drivers for vaccines. Big-Pharma is motivated to produce vaccines that will protect you from severe symptoms, but not to give you full immunity that you will not harbour any reservoir of virus. That way, they can keep selling more vaccines... Booster, after booster. This is the kind of vaccine that is similar to the statins used to control blood pressure and cholesterol. Once you go on it, you are on it for life.

 

Big-Pharma wants good returns on investment on its vaccines, so a constant demand for vaccines is essential to their plan. That is why no one really funds research into antibiotics, since it yields much lower profits. Meanwhile, the bacteria are mutating, and there are more and more Multi-drug Resistant Strains of Bacteria. Soon, there will be bacterial infections that no antibiotics will be able to handle. Why no new antibiotics? Because the profits aren't good enough...

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/14/2022 at 5:29 PM, sgmaven said:

By the way, the vaccine-development also shows the incredibly twisted drivers for vaccines. Big-Pharma is motivated to produce vaccines that will protect you from severe symptoms, but not to give you full immunity that you will not harbour any reservoir of virus. That way, they can keep selling more vaccines... Booster, after booster. This is the kind of vaccine that is similar to the statins used to control blood pressure and cholesterol. Once you go on it, you are on it for life.

 

Big-Pharma wants good returns on investment on its vaccines, so a constant demand for vaccines is essential to their plan. That is why no one really funds research into antibiotics, since it yields much lower profits. Meanwhile, the bacteria are mutating, and there are more and more Multi-drug Resistant Strains of Bacteria. Soon, there will be bacterial infections that no antibiotics will be able to handle. Why no new antibiotics? Because the profits aren't good enough...

Tinfoil hat time 

[sgmaven]

Some people just don't believe it, but Pfizer, who was one of the strongest companies in antibiotic development closed down its research lab on antibiotic development, due to the low expected return on investment. That is a fact, and not at all "tin foil" as some may claim...

 

Why big pharma has abandoned antibiotics -Article

Edited July 14, 2022 by sgmaven

[singalion]

Strangely Pfizer/Biontec has now a patent infringement claim from a German or so RMA research company, Curevac or so . 

 

Going to be interesting if they really stole the patent...

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/14/2022 at 5:58 PM, sgmaven said:

Some people just don't believe it, but Pfizer, who was one of the strongest companies in antibiotic development closed down its research lab on antibiotic development, due to the low expected return on investment. That is a fact, and not at all "tin foil" as some may claim...

 

Why big pharma has abandoned antibiotics -Article

the fact that a company withdraws form a non-profitable market is hardly the same thing as your ridiculous conspiracy-theory claim that ‘Big-Pharma is motivated to produce vaccines that will protect you from severe symptoms, but not to give you full immunity that you will not harbour any reservoir of virus. That way, they can keep selling more vaccines... Booster, after booster.’ 

 

[sgmaven]

You mean Big-Pharma is not motivated solely by profits? The COVID-vaccines were developed to reduce the intensity of symptoms, and not to wipe out the virus. So, why not develop a vaccine that wipes out the virus in the body?

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/14/2022 at 8:57 PM, sgmaven said:

You mean Big-Pharma is not motivated solely by profits? The COVID-vaccines were developed to reduce the intensity of symptoms, and not to wipe out the virus. So, why not develop a vaccine that wipes out the virus in the body?

why not invent a flying carpet, turn water into gold and create a time machine? 
 

seriously, lose the tinfoil hat and realize how ridiculous you sound here. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/14/2022 at 8:57 PM, sgmaven said:

You mean Big-Pharma is not motivated solely by profits? The COVID-vaccines were developed to reduce the intensity of symptoms, and not to wipe out the virus. So, why not develop a vaccine that wipes out the virus in the body?

and try and use a bit of logical thought: how much more do you think the governments of the world would have paid for a ‘vaccine that wipes out the virus in the body’ and therefore ends the pandemic complete?
 

I would guess they would have pad a lot, so surely the profit motive to create this vaccine would have been incredibly high and it would therefore have been created if possible? 
 

There, doesn’t thinking things through sound more logical than conspiracy theories! 

[sgmaven]

I admire your thoughts that governments and organisations can operate in such altruistic fashion! Bravo!

 

If you look at the track record of Big Pharma, you will know that they are much less concerned about "curing" a disease, but are more interested in drugs that will get you hooked for an entire lifetime. That way, they have a lifetime's worth of recurring income!

 

Time and again, cases have surfaced, when Big Pharma hid facts from consumers, ranging from side-effects of drugs, to quashing the development of viable cures. From the likes of NSAIDs, to medications for gastric ulcers, it was only when the truth came to light through other sources that the companies came clean... And look at the Fentanyl epidemic in the West, and you will have a sense of what they are capable of!

 

Perhaps some developed countries would have paid billions to the drug companies to develop the vaccines (and they did), but since when is a some enough, when you know you can get more?

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/15/2022 at 2:54 AM, sgmaven said:

I admire your thoughts that governments and organisations can operate in such altruistic fashion! Bravo!

 

If you look at the track record of Big Pharma, you will know that they are much less concerned about "curing" a disease, but are more interested in drugs that will get you hooked for an entire lifetime. That way, they have a lifetime's worth of recurring income!

 

Time and again, cases have surfaced, when Big Pharma hid facts from consumers, ranging from side-effects of drugs, to quashing the development of viable cures. From the likes of NSAIDs, to medications for gastric ulcers, it was only when the truth came to light through other sources that the companies came clean... And look at the Fentanyl epidemic in the West, and you will have a sense of what they are capable of!

 

Perhaps some developed countries would have paid billions to the drug companies to develop the vaccines (and they did), but since when is a some enough, when you know you can get more?

you seem to have this very naive idea that the pharmaceutical industry has some kind of magic wand where it could just make diseases disappear if it wanted to.
 

If you want to believe in conspiracy theories and magic, be my guest.

[singalion]

On 7/15/2022 at 7:13 AM, Guest Wtf said:

you seem to have this very naive idea that the pharmaceutical industry has some kind of magic wand where it could just make diseases disappear if it wanted to.
 

If you want to believe in conspiracy theories and magic, be my guest.

 

You seem to give an impression as if pharmaceutical industry players are all altruistic.

 

Second I find it unfair that you smear sgmaven as one spreading "conspiracy theories".

 

Please do not confuse things.

Spreading conspiracy theories is surely not what sgmaven has been doing.

While he might have "hyped" the message a bit, but surely he did not "feed" any conspiracy or created one.

 

In the US pharmaceutical corporations have been sued for exactly having put patients on drugs that made them addicted and worse had serious side effects to health and mental state.

 

Substantiation:

 

McKesson Opioid Trial Begins With $95 Billion Potentially at Stake

• McKesson, others, showed callous disregard, Washington AG Says
• Trial comes as pharma industry racked up recent opioid wins

 

By  Jef Feeley 16 November 2021

McKesson Corp. and two other drug distributors say they could end up having to pay more than $95 billion if they lose a trial in Seattle over the opioid crisis that began Monday.

 

More than 400,000 people have died in the US of overdoses since the early 2000s, when producers of prescription drugs like oxycodone and hydrocodone ramped up sales through pharmacies and doctors with few controls.

 

Teva Pharmaceuticals found liable in New York opioid trial

• Published  30 December 2021

A New York jury has found that drug maker Teva Pharmaceuticals and its affiliates helped fuel an opioid epidemic in the US state.

A lawsuit filed by the state's attorney general in 2019 accused Teva and other firms of aggressively marketing painkillers across the state, while doing nothing to minimise addiction.

US trial opens against companies accused of stoking opioid crisis

West Virginia lawsuit accuses drug distributors of fuelling opioid epidemic with excessive shipments of painkillers.

Drug companies accused of fomenting opioid addiction in the United States are facing millions of dollars in damages in a trial that opened on Monday in the state of West Virginia, which has been hit hard by the epidemic of addiction and overdoses.

The city of Huntington filed a federal lawsuit against three big drug distributors -AmerisourceBergen Drug Co, Cardinal Health Inc and McKesson Corp – alleging they pumped addictive painkillers into the state.

A US judge last month rejected the companies’ attempt to dismiss the West Virginia case.

Hundreds of similar lawsuits have been filed across the country, but the Huntington case has become the focus of national efforts to make drug companies pay for the social and medical costs of the addiction epidemic.

“Between 2006 and 2014, manufacturers and distributors of prescription opioids have showered the state of West Virginia with 1.1 billion hydrocodone and oxycodone pills,” the lawsuit alleges.

“The massive over-shipment amounts to 611 pain pills for every man, woman and child in the state.”

After West Virginia opioid verdict, another case postponed

The trial for a lawsuit accusing three major U.S. drug distributors of causing a health crisis throughout West Virginia has been postponed

July 06, 2022

 

In another lawsuit, the state of West Virginia reached a tentative $161.5 million settlement in May with Teva Pharmaceuticals Inc., AbbVie’s Allergan and their family of companies and a $26 million settlement in March with Endo Health Solutions.

 

 

=>

All involved pharmaceutical companies since the TEVA verdict are trying to find out of court settlements for their cases... to resolve the matters without going through trial... 

 

This is just one example...

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by singalion

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/15/2022 at 6:22 PM, singalion said:

 

You seem to give an impression as if pharmaceutical industry players are all altruistic.

 

Second I find it unfair that you smear sgmaven as one spreading "conspiracy theories".

 

Please do not confuse things.

 

In the US pharmaceutical corporations have been sued for exactly having put patients on drugs that made them addicted and worse had serious side effects to health and mental state.

 

Substantiation:

 

McKesson Opioid Trial Begins With $95 Billion Potentially at Stake

• McKesson, others, showed callous disregard, Washington AG Says
• Trial comes as pharma industry racked up recent opioid wins

 

By  Jef Feeley

16 November 2021

McKesson Corp. and two other drug distributors say they could end up having to pay more than $95 billion if they lose a trial in Seattle over the opioid crisis that began Monday.

 

More than 400,000 people have died in the US of overdoses since the early 2000s, when producers of prescription drugs like oxycodone and hydrocodone ramped up sales through pharmacies and doctors with few controls.

 

Teva Pharmaceuticals found liable in New York opioid trial

• Published  30 December 2021

A New York jury has found that drug maker Teva Pharmaceuticals and its affiliates helped fuel an opioid epidemic in the US state.

A lawsuit filed by the state's attorney general in 2019 accused Teva and other firms of aggressively marketing painkillers across the state, while doing nothing to minimise addiction.

US trial opens against companies accused of stoking opioid crisis

West Virginia lawsuit accuses drug distributors of fuelling opioid epidemic with excessive shipments of painkillers.

Drug companies accused of fomenting opioid addiction in the United States are facing millions of dollars in damages in a trial that opened on Monday in the state of West Virginia, which has been hit hard by the epidemic of addiction and overdoses.

The city of Huntington filed a federal lawsuit against three big drug distributors -AmerisourceBergen Drug Co, Cardinal Health Inc and McKesson Corp – alleging they pumped addictive painkillers into the state.

A US judge last month rejected the companies’ attempt to dismiss the West Virginia case.

Hundreds of similar lawsuits have been filed across the country, but the Huntington case has become the focus of national efforts to make drug companies pay for the social and medical costs of the addiction epidemic.

“Between 2006 and 2014, manufacturers and distributors of prescription opioids have showered the state of West Virginia with 1.1 billion hydrocodone and oxycodone pills,” the lawsuit alleges.

“The massive over-shipment amounts to 611 pain pills for every man, woman and child in the state.”

After West Virginia opioid verdict, another case postponed

The trial for a lawsuit accusing three major U.S. drug distributors of causing a health crisis throughout West Virginia has been postponed

July 06, 2022

 

In another lawsuit, the state of West Virginia reached a tentative $161.5 million settlement in May with Teva Pharmaceuticals Inc., AbbVie’s Allergan and their family of companies and a $26 million settlement in March with Endo Health Solutions.

 

 

=>

All involved pharmaceutical companies since the TEVA verdict are trying to find out of court settlements for their cases... to resolve the matters without going through trial... 

 

This is just one example...

 

try and stick to the topic. @sgmavenmade one point that I pointed out was a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Which it is - it shows a complete lack of understanding of science, how drugs are developed, what is scientifically possible and of logic. 
 

He and you then broadened the topic into all the evils of the Pharma industry, while providing zero details or evidence that his original point i refuted is anything other than a conspiracy theory. 
 

When you have that, please post further. Otherwise, don’t bother because everything you cut and pasted here has zero relevance. 

[singalion]

On 7/15/2022 at 6:29 PM, Guest Wtf said:

try and stick to the topic. @sgmavenmade one point that I pointed out was a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Which it is - it shows a complete lack of understanding of science, how drugs are developed, what is scientifically possible and of logic. 
 

He and you then broadened the topic into all the evils of the Pharma industry, while providing zero details or evidence that his original point i refuted is anything other than a conspiracy theory. 
 

When you have that, please post further. Otherwise, don’t bother because everything you cut and pasted here has zero relevance. 

 

No, my post debunked your myths and your nasty way of trying to silence posters here (even resorting in calling them out as "conspiracy theorists").

 

I did not "broaden the topic" as you denied that pharma companies may have different motives. I added to the discussion, otherwise your whole discussion is out of topic also...

 

I also don't think that you are a pharmaceutical expert or with required knowledge to make this conclusion:

Big-Pharma is motivated to produce vaccines that will protect you from severe symptoms, but not to give you full immunity that you will not harbour any reservoir of virus.

 

 

It is clear that so far the pharmaceutical industry has not taken any major effort to create a total immunisation against Covid. Why are we otherwise at a stage requiring multiple vaccinations after vaccinations.

(So here you are back at the topic!, namely Covid.)

And if you compare this with other virus, there are some for which a one time vaccination is sufficient.

 

This about the logic that you failed to recognise.

 

 

 

Also as a Guest you surely don't have any authority to tell Members to stop posting at this forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/15/2022 at 6:39 PM, singalion said:

 

No, my post debunked your myths and your nasty way of trying to silence posters here (even resorting in calling them out as "conspiracy theorists").

 

I did not "broaden the topic" as you denied that pharma companies may have different motives. I added to the discussion, otherwise your whole discussion is out of topic also...

 

I also don't think that you are a pharmaceutical expert or with required knowledge to make this conclusion:

Big-Pharma is motivated to produce vaccines that will protect you from severe symptoms, but not to give you full immunity that you will not harbour any reservoir of virus.

 

 

It is clear that so far the pharmaceutical industry has not taken any major effort to create a total immunisation against Covid. Why are we otherwise at a stage requiring multiple vaccinations after vaccinations.

(So here you are back at the topic!, namely Covid.)

And if you compare this with other virus, there are some for which a one time vaccination is sufficient.

 

This about the logic that you failed to recognise.

 

 

 

Also as a Guest you surely don't have any authority to tell Members to stop posting at this forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another person who believes that there is some kind of magic wand you can wave to create a vaccine that can do whatever you want it to, totally negating the efforts of the scientists who did the best they could in the shortest time possible to create a vaccine that could help manage a global pandemic…. Wow. And now you tell me that because they can do something for one virus they can do the same for all viruses… double wow. You even put that in bold because you think it means something.

 

You clearly have zero knowledge of pharmacology, biology or chemistry. But you are a member here, so that must be worth something, right? Or maybe,,,  you do understand that having membership here needs no qualifications, right? Therefore, waving it around as if it gives your posts some kind of added value is completely meaningless. 

[sgmaven]

On 7/15/2022 at 6:29 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Which it is - it shows a complete lack of understanding of science, how drugs are developed, what is scientifically possible and of logic.

I laugh, because I am not only a PhD in Science, but have worked incorporate R&D labs before. So thank you very much for thinking with your so-called "logic"... Little would you understand the power-play that is involved in corporate R&D, unless you have had previous experience. The scientists may have the most noble of intentions, but that is oft overruled by the marketers and management...

Edited July 15, 2022 by sgmaven

[sgmaven]

On 7/15/2022 at 7:13 AM, Guest Wtf said:

you seem to have this very naive idea that the pharmaceutical industry has some kind of magic wand where it could just make diseases disappear if it wanted to.
 

If you want to believe in conspiracy theories and magic, be my guest.

I guess you can say that science is like a magic wand. Borrowing from the "Marvel Universe" in Thor, magic is just a way that people use to explain away the science they do not understand...

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/15/2022 at 9:32 PM, sgmaven said:

I laugh, because I am not only a PhD in Science, but have worked incorporate R&D labs before. So thank you very much for thinking with your so-called "logic"...

phd ‘in science’ and a previous job in some non-specific corporate R&D labs?! Wow, it sounds like you must be an expert in immunology and vaccine development with your experience!  😂 

[sgmaven]

On 7/15/2022 at 9:48 PM, Guest Wtf said:

phd ‘in science’ and a previous job in some non-specific corporate R&D labs?! Wow, it sounds like you must be an expert in immunology and vaccine development with your experience!  😂 

Says he, who probably has no PhD in a Science, and no experience in corporate R&D...🙄

[sgmaven]

At least, I have personal friends who have worked in vaccine-development and in Big Pharma R&D... Do you, Mr. Guest Wtf?

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/15/2022 at 9:59 PM, sgmaven said:

Says he, who probably has no PhD in a Science, and no experience in corporate R&D...🙄

and yet I am somehow able to understand rational points of view and am not susceptible to believing dumb conspiracy theories and spreading them around. I must be magic! 
 

The ‘qualifications’ you mention are so vaguely expressed that they contribute about as much credibility to your apparent expertise on vaccine development  as singalion’s belief that because he is a blowing wind member, he is somehow also more qualified to speculate. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/15/2022 at 10:00 PM, sgmaven said:

At least, I have personal friends who have worked in vaccine-development and in Big Pharma R&D... Do you, Mr. Guest Wtf?

oh, so you haven’t personally done either? But surely you must have because you have a phd in science! 😂 
 

here are some straws, please clutch them…  
 

[Guest Hiao Chee 冰冰]

On 7/15/2022 at 9:32 PM, sgmaven said:

I laugh, because I am not only a PhD in Science, but have worked incorporate R&D labs before. So thank you very much for thinking with your so-called "logic"... Little would you understand the power-play that is involved in corporate R&D, unless you have had previous experience. The scientists may have the most noble of intentions, but that is oft overruled by the marketers and management...

I taught you before, your results were mediocre and your conduct is worse.  Your best trait is lie.

 

Yucks!

[sgmaven]

On 7/15/2022 at 10:17 PM, Guest Hiao Chee 冰冰 said:

I taught you before, your results were mediocre and your conduct is worse.  Your best trait is lie.

 

Yucks!

Oh wow! When did you teach me? Considering that, I think you are reaching out from beyond the grave?

[sgmaven]

On 7/15/2022 at 10:11 PM, Guest Wtf said:

and yet I am somehow able to understand rational points of view and am not susceptible to believing dumb conspiracy theories and spreading them around. I must be magic! 
 

The ‘qualifications’ you mention are so vaguely expressed that they contribute about as much credibility to your apparent expertise on vaccine development  as singalion’s belief that because he is a blowing wind member, he is somehow also more qualified to speculate. 

Apparently, with no educational qualifications or working experience, you are able to make "better" judgement? 🙄

[sgmaven]

By someone's judgement, the governments of the world should just have promised Big Pharma lots of money, and left them to develop what is best. No need for all the parallel development of vaccines with competing technologies, no need to worry, because Big Pharma is always altruistic and truthful...

 

Quick! Hide the whistle-blowers that exposed how trial data was fudged by Pharma companies... They do not exist, promise!

[singalion]

On 7/15/2022 at 7:37 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Another person who believes that there is some kind of magic wand you can wave to create a vaccine that can do whatever you want it to, totally negating the efforts of the scientists who did the best they could in the shortest time possible to create a vaccine that could help manage a global pandemic…. Wow. And now you tell me that because they can do something for one virus they can do the same for all viruses… double wow. You even put that in bold because you think it means something.

 

You clearly have zero knowledge of pharmacology, biology or chemistry. But you are a member here, so that must be worth something, right? Or maybe,,,  you do understand that having membership here needs no qualifications, right? Therefore, waving it around as if it gives your posts some kind of added value is completely meaningless. 

 

Surely, you are misinterpreting my post.

 

How would you know what knowledge of pharmacology, biology or chemistry I have?

 

I simply pointed to something obvious...

 

Regarding some kind of magic... find my response here:

 

 

 

Your only aim here is trying to ridicule people and silence them.

(While you claim you are a know-it-all and think you know everything there is to know about anything....😂)

 

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by singalion

[singalion]

On 7/15/2022 at 9:59 PM, sgmaven said:

Says he, who probably has no PhD in a Science, and no experience in corporate R&D...🙄

 

Probably doesn't even have a degree and just a diploma ... 😂 if at all...

[sgmaven]

On 7/15/2022 at 10:44 PM, singalion said:

 

Probably doesn't even have a degree and just a diploma ... 😂 if at all...

He says I cannot comment because I do not have direct experience in Virology and Vaccine-Development... Does he? He already admitted to not having a PhD, or working in an R&D lab...

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/15/2022 at 10:44 PM, singalion said:

 

Probably doesn't even have a degree and just a diploma ... 😂 if at all...

 

On 7/15/2022 at 10:47 PM, sgmaven said:

He says I cannot comment because I do not have direct experience in Virology and Vaccine-Development... Does he? He already admitted to not having a PhD, or working in an R&D lab...

You can both carry on making ignorant comments all you want. I’m just surprised you don’t understand that you might be called out for them when you make them on a public forum where anyone can comment. 
 

But that’s enough of my time wasted on you two for now, enjoy each other.

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/15/2022 at 10:36 PM, sgmaven said:

By someone's judgement, the governments of the world should just have promised Big Pharma lots of money, and left them to develop what is best. No need for all the parallel development of vaccines with competing technologies, no need to worry, because Big Pharma is always altruistic and truthful...

 

Quick! Hide the whistle-blowers that exposed how trial data was fudged by Pharma companies... They do not exist, promise!

Errr. You were the one complaining the other day about people putting words in your mouth. And here you are doing just that. 
 

👏 

[sgmaven]

Some people can be so dismissive of others, and yet are without any educational qualifications in the field nor professional experience. Dunning-Kruger Effect, perhaps?

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/16/2022 at 3:23 PM, sgmaven said:

Some people can be so dismissive of others, and yet are without any educational qualifications in the field nor professional experience. Dunning-Kruger Effect, perhaps?

hahaha - you don’t any ‘educational qualifications in the field’ nor ‘professional experience’ either 😂 

 

The ‘qualifications’ you mentioned having were a non-specific ‘science’ phd (not one in, say, pharmacology because you would have surely mentioned that specifically) and having worked in corporate r&d labs - where you could have been working on ice cream flavours for all that means.
 

Dunning-Kruger Effect is on full display here. 
 

 

[sgmaven]

Someone is clutching at straws, trying to insinuate that my qualifications are not related to the Pharma industry, and my corporate R&D experience was in ice-cream flavours... Sometimes, I wish my professional experiences were related to ice-cream flavours! Go ahead and insinuate all you like, at least I know for certain that my "Science" PhD is indeed related with the Pharma industry, which is why some of my personal friends ended up leading research groups in Big Pharma... Better than someone who has nothing to go on, other than his delusions...

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/16/2022 at 4:22 PM, sgmaven said:

Someone is clutching at straws, trying to insinuate that my qualifications are not related to the Pharma industry, and my corporate R&D experience was in ice-cream flavours... Sometimes, I wish my professional experiences were related to ice-cream flavours! Go ahead and insinuate all you like, at least I know for certain that my "Science" PhD is indeed related with the Pharma industry, which is why some of my personal friends ended up leading research groups in Big Pharma... Better than someone who has nothing to go on, other than his delusions...

so many words to say nothing new or anything specific.

 

anyway, keep spreading your baseless conspiracy theories online - with zero evidence - if it helps you fill the time.

 

time for me to move on to some more intelligent discussions with people irl. 

[sgmaven]

On 7/16/2022 at 4:36 PM, Guest Wtf said:

so many words to say nothing new or anything specific.

 

anyway, keep spreading your baseless conspiracy theories online - with zero evidence - if it helps you fill the time.

 

time for me to move on to some more intelligent discussions with people irl. 

Ever so dismissive without an ounce of credibility!🙄

[singalion]

On 7/16/2022 at 7:33 AM, Guest Wtf said:

Errr. You were the one complaining the other day about people putting words in your mouth. And here you are doing just that. 
 

👏

 

On 7/16/2022 at 4:16 PM, Guest Wtf said:

hahaha - you don’t any ‘educational qualifications in the field’ nor ‘professional experience’ either 😂 

 

The ‘qualifications’ you mentioned having were a non-specific ‘science’ phd (not one in, say, pharmacology because you would have surely mentioned that specifically) and having worked in corporate r&d labs - where you could have been working on ice cream flavours for all that means.
 

Dunning-Kruger Effect is on full display here. 
 

 

 

On 7/16/2022 at 4:36 PM, Guest Wtf said:

so many words to say nothing new or anything specific.

 

anyway, keep spreading your baseless conspiracy theories online - with zero evidence - if it helps you fill the time.

 

time for me to move on to some more intelligent discussions with people irl. 

 

On 7/16/2022 at 7:31 AM, Guest Wtf said:

 

You can both carry on making ignorant comments all you want. I’m just surprised you don’t understand that you might be called out for them when you make them on a public forum where anyone can comment. 
 

But that’s enough of my time wasted on you two for now, enjoy each other.

 

Quote Guest Wtf:

 

 

"You can both carry on making ignorant comments all you want. I’m just surprised you don’t understand that you might be called out for them when you make them on a public forum where anyone can comment. 

 

But that’s enough of my time wasted on you two for now, enjoy each other."

 

Quote end from Guest Wtf. 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/16/2022 at 5:01 PM, sgmaven said:

Ever so dismissive without an ounce of credibility!🙄

😂 so says the guy whose ‘experience’ with covid vaccine development apparently comes from ice cream flavours research. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/16/2022 at 6:12 PM, singalion said:

 

 

 

 

Quote Guest Wtf:

 

 

"You can both carry on making ignorant comments all you want. I’m just surprised you don’t understand that you might be called out for them when you make them on a public forum where anyone can comment. 

 

But that’s enough of my time wasted on you two for now, enjoy each other."

 

Quote end from Guest Wtf. 

 

Oh dear… all that cutting and pasting for what?  

[sgmaven]

On 7/16/2022 at 7:13 PM, Guest Wtf said:

😂 so says the guy whose ‘experience’ with covid vaccine development apparently comes from ice cream flavours research. 

I wonder who is claiming patently false things, like my experience in ice-cream flavour research. It shows how well-removed from the corporate R&D scene you are, since corporate research into flavours and fragrances in Singapore happens to be only a recent thing. Go check up companies like Givaudan, and you will know that their "creative centre" in Singapore was only established in 2015, while Symrise established their Flavour Innovation and Technology Centre in 2017.

[singalion]

Actually I read somewhere that the numbering of the new variants seem to be flawed from WHO.

 

The variant that spread in Portugal BA.4 had nothing to do with Omicron and they are new variants that emerged independent from the South African subcontinental Omicron that started somewhere last year...

 

Seems that WHO does not intend to give new names to the newly emerging variants...

 

 

2 imported cases of new Omicron subvariant BA.2.75 reported in Singapore

Published July 17, 2022

 

SINGAPORE — Two imported Covid-19 cases with the Omicron subvariant BA.2.75 have been found in Singapore as of Thursday (July 14), said the Ministry of Health (MOH). 

 

In response to CNA's queries, MOH said that both individuals had recently travelled to India and had immediately self-isolated after testing positive for Covid-19.

 

They have since fully recovered, added the ministry.

 

The BA.2.75 subvariant, which is nicknamed Centaurus, was first detected in India in early May.

 

Since then, there have been cases reported in nearly 10 other countries, including the United Kingdom, United States, Australia, Germany and Canada.

 

"There is currently no evidence to indicate that BA.2.75 has substantially different virulence or severity compared to its Omicron predecessors," said MOH on Saturday.

 

 

 

[singalion]

 

 

This is a good reminder:

 

Be carefull if you travel to countries which still check on any potential covid infection on entry...

 

SG couple who spent almost $3,000 on Korea vacation test positive for Covid, end up in quarantine for 7 of their 8-day holiday

Anna Maria Romero - 25 July 2022

 

 

Others, however, are not out of the pandemic woods yet, including one couple from Singapore who were forced to spend 7/8ths of their holiday to South Korea in quarantine in an accredited facility.

What adds insult to injury is that the couple, a Mr Li and Ms Huang, spent almost $3,000 for flights, hotels, and travel other necessities for their long-planned and quite overdue holiday to Korea.

 

They told Shin Min Daily News they had intended to spend four days in Seoul and the rest of their trip at Jeju Island.

 

But Covid reared its ugly head, despite the fact that Mr Li and Ms Huang, who are both 25, are fully vaccinated. 

 

Additionally, the results of the Antigen Rapid Test (ART) for both were negative.

 

They had taken the tests before the flight, but started showing symptoms of the virus while on board the plane.

 

On July 13, the first day of their holiday, the Covid test results of Mr Li and Ms Huang ended up being positive.

 

According to that country’s current regulations, short-term visitors to South Korea must take a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) shortly after arrival either at the airport or at a medical facility near their accommodation.

 

“If the on-arrival test result is positive, 7-day quarantine is required. Korean nationals and ARC holders may self-quarantine at home while short-term visitors will serve the quarantine at an allocated quarantine facility,” according to an Embassy Notice from the Republic of Korea.

 

Mr Li and Ms Huang, therefore, had to stay in a quarantine hotel for seven days upon their arrival in Korea.

 

At first, they did not think they had contracted Covid, even though they both had dry and itchy throats during the flight.

 

Mr Li later had a fever and a sore throat, and Ms Huang lost her voice.

 

They both felt better soon and by the eighth day, upon release from quarantine, they spent their last day in Korea shopping and eating.

 

They are hoping they’ll be able to recoup some of their losses since they had bought travel insurance for the trip.

 

Edited July 25, 2022 by singalion

[bluerunner]

Seen soooo many people out there being complacent. 
- not wearing mask in shopping mal

- not wearing mask on public transport and in the lift

- not wearing mask while queuing up for food at hawker center. Not mask up when fInished eating and continue to talk loudly. 

- just because they are outdoor, they are not mask but gather in group chit-chatting. 
 

These behaviours are as if Covid19 has gone for good or has never happened. 
 

[Guest science fiction]

On 7/27/2022 at 6:36 PM, bluerunner said:

Seen soooo many people out there being complacent. 
- not wearing mask in shopping mal

- not wearing mask on public transport and in the lift

- not wearing mask while queuing up for food at hawker center. Not mask up when fInished eating and continue to talk loudly. 

- just because they are outdoor, they are not mask but gather in group chit-chatting. 
 

These behaviours are as if Covid19 has gone for good or has never happened. 
 

 

2020 marks the era where the human race have to mask up for life!

[Guest Wtf]

On 7/27/2022 at 6:36 PM, bluerunner said:

Seen soooo many people out there being complacent. 
- not wearing mask in shopping mal

- not wearing mask on public transport and in the lift

- not wearing mask while queuing up for food at hawker center. Not mask up when fInished eating and continue to talk loudly. 

- just because they are outdoor, they are not mask but gather in group chit-chatting. 
 

These behaviours are as if Covid19 has gone for good or has never happened. 
 

Or people have thought about the risk and decided that it’s OK to move on with their lives based on the risk profile of covid? We can’t wear masks forever… go look at how life has moved on in other countries. 
 

Singapore is doing a good job in trying to strike a balance of blanket restrictions for protection vs. people  taking personal responsibility and living normally. Let’s not over obsess about things like maskless  people talking outdoors or diners continuing to talk after eating.