Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest Jinxed!]

Expected...

 

S'pore-Hong Kong travel bubble deferred again after Covid-19 cases spike in S'pore

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/sg-hk-travel-bubble-deferred-again-after-covid-19-cases-spike-in-singapore

 

[Rugbywhite]

3 hours ago, jlone said:

Open Letter to Bloomberg.

Dear Bloomberg...

Thank you for your announcement that Singapore was the best place to take refuge from the surging Covid 19. I know your job is to sell readership but please try and pick another place that is big and has big resources like perhaps China. Since your publication on 27 April we have fallen from grace. You see your pronouncement has emboldened our leaders to throw caution to the wind. They got swell headed  and continue to import new cases on a daily basis, knowing fully well that our good neighbour India had massive infections in their country. Their excuse? We need cheap labour to fuel our economy. So they adopt a strategy of risk management as opposed to risk elimination.

We Singaporeans are the easiest people in the world to govern. We are the kiasu, kiasi people. They say jump we jump, they say hide we hide. That is why we kuai kuai put on mask, keep safe distance, and stay home.

I don't know if it is coincidental or pre-ordained that we should have this new wave after your publication of the ranking. The same phenomenon happened in Mar last year. WHO chief praised us  for keeping the lid down on the virus. Gold standard he said! Then wham!!! Big explosions of cases in the dormitories. We went into hiding, make big sacrifices. For 6 months we kena CB'd, then heaved a sigh of relief when we shifted into third gear, I mean Phase 3. 

Please you or some other mother f****rs please don't ever play a trick like this on us ever again. Our leaders are always looking out for praises like this to earn points for the next election. Sometimes they create their but thats is beside the point.

Truly yours,
Singkie.

 

You're going to try and blame an article in the FREE media for the issues in Singapore? are you off your meds?

 

Ask why you are the slowest first world country in the world to get and give out vaccine. Ask why your only plans to move out of this global pandemic were to close borders and hope it goes away. Ask why your state controlled media aren't asking these questions or reporting on the short, medium, and long term damage to not just the economy but also your future. Ask any damn question at your doorstep, then maybe you will get an answer, however your situation is nothing to do with an article in the global FREE press.

[Rugbywhite]

6 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

I dont think money is an issue as SG govt is very rich but more of limited supply.

 

Europe,  US and some other countries are probably keeping more doses than they required, production in India have been affected due to their current situation and they are one of the main vaccine producer. 

 

"Europe, US and some other countries are probably keeping more doses" you mean the ones they ordered over a year ago, the ones they bought and or made. We are also giving away doses to 3rd world countries, is Singapore 3rd world? 

And India is the worlds largest producer of generics, and the 3rd world is missing out on the production they were due from India, so I guess you are again saying that Singapore is third world and waiting free handouts from rich, capable, stable countries.

 

Maybe, just maybe, you didn't order or buy any, and that's why now the rest of the world is recovering, you are sliding backwards.

[Guest cannot lose]

2 hours ago, Nightingale said:

We are ranked 2nd highest.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/14/indian-covid-variant-which-countries-have-highest-infection-rates

 

We are always No. 1. Cannot lose. haha

 

Sg is so small. It only takes a few days to infect the whole population if this blows out of proportion.

 

  

[Guest first CB but now???]

19 hours ago, fourth said:

 

er... the racks in taiwan's supermarkets were cleared. 

 

yes could be but need to read carefully.

 

Taiwan never had any lockdown or CB at all!

And now is a situation where Taiwan could enter into a lockdown and I wouldn't wonder if Taiwanese read about panic buying in Singapore and then rushed to the shops...

 

The point is: It is irrational for Singaporeans or residents to rush to supermarkets for panic buying.

 

All previous implementations of more restrictive measures and even the local lockdown (CB)  have shown, there was no shortage of any supplies.

Shortage only happened due to panic buying from these locals in the days afterwards as supplies had to be stocked up again (rice, papers etc).

 

[singalion]

9 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

I dont think money is an issue as SG govt is very rich but more of limited supply.

 

Europe,  US and some other countries are probably keeping more doses than they required, production in India have been affected due to their current situation and they are one of the main vaccine producer. 

 

In my personal view:

 

a) either Singapore was a step too late to negotiate or reserve sufficient quantity of vaccines, or

b) negotiated too lengthy on the supply terms or price terms, or

c) wasn't the most interesting party for Pfizer/Biontech - Moderna for guaranteeing supplies as the total contingent of vaccines is much lower than let's say for Brazil. Population here is small.

 

I think all points a) - c) came together.

 

And don't forget, there are plenty of other countries wanting the supplies of the vaccines at the same time.

 

A smart move by Singapore had been (like what Germany did for Germany) to offer a manufacturing facility within Singapore to both companies and to assist for further re-distribution to Asia/ SEA...

But maybe lack of sufficient brain storming or lack of (foreign?) talent within the government resulted in the fact for not  coming up with such a smart idea... [hopefully the last sentence was not too provocative. ha ha]

 

Compared to other countries, Singapore isn't doing so bad in vaccinating the population...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 17, 2021 by singalion

[Rugbywhite]

20 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

In my personal view:

 

a) either Singapore was a step too late to negotiate or reserve sufficient quantity of vaccines, or

b) negotiated too lengthy on the supply terms or price terms, or

c) wasn't the most interesting party for Pfizer/Biontech - Moderna for guaranteeing supplies as the total contingent of vaccines is much lower than let's say for Brazil. Population here is small.

 

I think all points a) - c) came together.

 

And don't forget, there are plenty of other countries wanting the supplies of the vaccines at the same time.

 

A smart move by Singapore had been (like what Germany did for Germany) to offer a manufacturing facility within Singapore to both companies and to assist for further re-distribution to Asia/ SEA...

But maybe lack of sufficient brain storming or lack of (foreign?) talent within the government resulted in the fact for not  coming up with such a smart idea... [hopefully the last sentence was not too provocative. ha ha]

 

Compared to other countries, Singapore isn't doing so bad in vaccinating the population...

 

 

 

 

 

You had my full attention until you went and ended it with a sentence in complete contradiction to reality. Compared to all developed nations Singapore is doing very badly on vaccinating the population.

 

If though you want to compare Singapore to say the worlds ten largest refuge camps, then sure, you are doing ok.  

[Guest Guest]

41 minutes ago, Guest first CB but now??? said:

yes could be but need to read carefully.

 

Taiwan never had any lockdown or CB at all!

And now is a situation where Taiwan could enter into a lockdown and I wouldn't wonder if Taiwanese read about panic buying in Singapore and then rushed to the shops...

 

The point is: It is irrational for Singaporeans or residents to rush to supermarkets for panic buying.

 

All previous implementations of more restrictive measures and even the local lockdown (CB)  have shown, there was no shortage of any supplies.

Shortage only happened due to panic buying from these locals in the days afterwards as supplies had to be stocked up again (rice, papers etc).

 

 

Oh! So it's Singaporeans' faults now? Taiwanese emptying their shelves is because they read about "our" rush? This is what happened when we have a weak spine government. The citizens gets blamed for everything now. 

[lonelyglobe]

1 hour ago, Guest cannot lose said:

 

We are always No. 1. Cannot lose. haha

 

Sg is so small. It only takes a few days to infect the whole population if this blows out of proportion.

 

  

We didnt lose,  if we take into account the land size and population size,  we probably came in first. Quite surprise we actually beat australia.

[singalion]

51 minutes ago, Rugbywhite said:

You had my full attention until you went and ended it with a sentence in complete contradiction to reality. Compared to all developed nations Singapore is doing very badly on vaccinating the population.

 

If though you want to compare Singapore to say the worlds ten largest refuge camps, then sure, you are doing ok.  

 

 

 

 

Singapore is placed in most rankings on vaccinations under the  top 20  worldwide (with 195 countries in the world).

 

Is that bad?

 

The rankings showing only the first vaccination can be ignored.

 

From those rankings on vaccinations Singapore doesn't fare so bad, but surely could speed up. (But, if the supply for those mRNA vaccines is not at hand, then it is difficult to increase the speed).

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

Vaccinations by country

	Doses administered		Pct. of population
	Per 100 people	Total	Vaccinated	Fully vaccinated
World	19	1,474,016,022	–	–
Seychelles	134	131,068	71%	63%
U.A.E.	117	11,450,769	–	–
Israel	116	10,529,230	60%	56%
San Marino	114	38,766	65%	50%
Bahrain	90	1,472,955	51%	39%
Chile	87	16,569,925	48%	40%
U.K.	85	56,677,012	55%	30%
Maldives	84	445,887	57%	27%
Malta	84	420,815	56%	28%
United States	82	273,545,207	47%	37%
Hungary	75	7,366,464	47%	28%
Mongolia	75	2,422,303	55%	20%
Qatar	72	2,035,475	42%	30%
Monaco	67	25,937	36%	31%
Uruguay	66	2,296,155	39%	27%
Bhutan	63	482,039	63%	–
Serbia	58	4,038,392	33%	25%
Iceland	56	203,735	41%	18%
Singapore	56	3,200,000	33%	23%
Canada	49	18,415,880	45%	3.8%
Germany	47	39,414,342	37%	11%
Lithuania	47	1,308,711	31%	16%
Spain	46	21,683,707	32%	15%
Dominica	46	33,037	27%	19%
Denmark	46	2,668,751	28%	18%
Italy	45	27,416,033	32%	14%
Austria	45	4,027,734	33%	12%
Belgium	45	5,205,148	34%	12%
Portugal	44	4,566,812	31%	13%
Estonia	44	579,308	30%	13%
Luxembourg	44	269,883	31%	13%
Finland	43	2,387,156	38%	5.1%
France	43	28,924,834	30%	13%

 

 

 

 

- Financial Times

 

Singapore at rank 17

 

 

			https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker/?areas=gbr&areas=isr&areas=usa&areas=eue&cumulative=1&populationAdjusted=1
-			CNN ranking Singapore around 22nd (if you exclude the territories belonging to other countries such as Gibraltar)
			https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2021/health/global-covid-vaccinations/

Edited May 17, 2021 by singalion

[Guest Guest]

4 hours ago, Rugbywhite said:

 

You're going to try and blame an article in the FREE media for the issues in Singapore? are you off your meds?

 

Ask why you are the slowest first world country in the world to get and give out vaccine. Ask why your only plans to move out of this global pandemic were to close borders and hope it goes away. Ask why your state controlled media aren't asking these questions or reporting on the short, medium, and long term damage to not just the economy but also your future. Ask any damn question at your doorstep, then maybe you will get an answer, however your situation is nothing to do with an article in the global FREE press.

 

How is the repost of an article in the FREE press an allusion to blaming it on all the issues in Singapore? Are YOU off YOUR meds, nutcase? 

 

 

[Rugbywhite]

NY Times has some interesting irregularities compared to other press, and if you think Singapore is doing so well, can you then explain why you're sliding backwards into lockdown, only have 20% vaccinated, and countries that DID purchase vaccine are past 60% vaccinated and opening up?

[Rugbywhite]

1 minute ago, Guest Guest said:

 

How is the repost of an article in the FREE press an allusion to blaming it on all the issues in Singapore? Are YOU off YOUR meds, nutcase? 

 

 

Coward! show your face or sit down

[Guest Guest]

16 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Now even maids get to register ahead before singaporeans.

 

And for those who have taken their first shot, MOH is contemplating to extend the second shot to a later date, so that the maids can get their first shot. Lol! 

[Guest Guest]

2 minutes ago, Rugbywhite said:

Coward! show your face or sit down

 

Show me your face and I'd happily s(h)it on it. 

[Rugbywhite]

Just now, Guest Guest said:

 

Show me your face and I'd happily s(h)it on it. 

Coward

[singalion]

22 hours ago, Rugbywhite said:

NY Times has some interesting irregularities compared to other press, and if you think Singapore is doing so well, can you then explain why you're sliding backwards into lockdown, only have 20% vaccinated, and countries that DID purchase vaccine are past 60% vaccinated and opening up?

 

New York Times has the data from the source below, it is not NYT's own data:

Source: Vaccinations data from local governments via Our World in Data.

 

In most other forums on the vaccination rate, the countries on the top 25 are the same, therefore the data should be reliable.

 

You can't compare the vaccination rate with a soft lockdown happening here in Singapore now and the intrusion of the Indian variant into Singapore.

 

You must separate this.

 

With a 33% first dose vaccination rate, swift action in not letting the Indian variant into the country had been a priority.

 

Unfortunately, due to a lax or less selective immigration policy following news on the India situation, the Covid-19 India variant managed to slip through into Singapore.

 

With a 60% vaccination rate in the population, 40 % could have still caught the Covid-19 resulting in a total lockdown.

The problem is not the vaccination but the risk deriving from that variant.

 

I assume, the Government did not properly factor the risk from this B.1.617.2 - (India) variant...

Well, you could say, "no lesson learned"....

 

Actually, the one highest responsible is very silent at the moment....

 

 

If you look at the media, first reports from a surge in cases in India emerged end of February 2021...

Covid-19: India in a 'delicate phase' of its coronavirus battle as cases surge

BBC Published 27 February 2021

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56206004

 

After reporting a significant drop in the number of Covid-19 cases for months, some Indian states have seen a sharp uptick in infections in February. The BBC's Vikas Pandey and Soutik Biswas report.

In early February, physicians in Amravati district, some 700km (435 miles) from India's commercial capital, Mumbai, noticed a sudden surge in the number of people suffering from Covid-19.

Life in this cotton-growing district in the western state of Maharashtra had almost returned to normal after the first wave of infections last summer. The ICUs of the 1,600-bed state-run hospital and half-a-dozen private hospitals were nearly empty.

"But everything changed in February," says Anil Jadhav, a local journalist. "And now there's panic in the district."

Since the beginning of February, Amravati has recorded more than 10,000 cases and over 66 deaths from Covid. More than 1,000 were receiving treatment for the disease this week. The positivity rate is in frightful double digits. Amravati and a few other districts in Maharashtra have been again locked down.

The hotspots in a district of 2.5 million people are mainly congested urban areas, say locals.

 

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by singalion

[Guest Hold, hold on..... what??]

24 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

And for those who have taken their first shot, MOH is contemplating to extend the second shot to a later date, so that the maids can get their first shot. Lol! 

Like that effective meh?  I thought like antibiotics, you cannot suka suka break or extend the required dosage.

[Rugbywhite]

2 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

New York Times has the data from here, it is not own NYT data:

Source: Vaccinations data from local governments via Our World in Data.

 

In most other forums on the vaccination rate, the countries on the top 25 are the same, therefore the data should be reliable.

 

You can't compare the vaccination rate with a soft lockdown happening here in Singapore now and the intrusion of the Indian variant into Singapore.

 

You must separate this.

 

With a 33% first dose vaccination rate, swift action in not letting the Indian variant into the country had been a priority.

 

Unfortunately, due to a lax or less selective immigration policy following news on the India situation, the Covid-19 India variant managed to slip through into Singapore.

 

With a 60% vaccination rate in the population, 40 % could have still caught the Covid-19 resulting in a total lockdown.

The problem is not the vaccination but the risk deriving from that variant.

 

I assume, the Government did not properly factor the risk from this B.1.617.2 - (India) variant...

Well, you could say, "no lesson learned"....

 

Actually, the one highest responsible is very silent at the moment....

 

 

If you look at the media, first reports from a surge in cases in India emerged end of February 2021...

Covid-19: India in a 'delicate phase' of its coronavirus battle as cases surge

BBC Published 27 February 2021

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56206004

 

After reporting a significant drop in the number of Covid-19 cases for months, some Indian states have seen a sharp uptick in infections in February. The BBC's Vikas Pandey and Soutik Biswas report.

In early February, physicians in Amravati district, some 700km (435 miles) from India's commercial capital, Mumbai, noticed a sudden surge in the number of people suffering from Covid-19.

Life in this cotton-growing district in the western state of Maharashtra had almost returned to normal after the first wave of infections last summer. The ICUs of the 1,600-bed state-run hospital and half-a-dozen private hospitals were nearly empty.

"But everything changed in February," says Anil Jadhav, a local journalist. "And now there's panic in the district."

Since the beginning of February, Amravati has recorded more than 10,000 cases and over 66 deaths from Covid. More than 1,000 were receiving treatment for the disease this week. The positivity rate is in frightful double digits. Amravati and a few other districts in Maharashtra have been again locked down.

The hotspots in a district of 2.5 million people are mainly congested urban areas, say locals.

 

 

That's a well crafted selection of opinions and assumptions, shame that's all it is

[Guest U got racist brain]

26 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

And for those who have taken their first shot, MOH is contemplating to extend the second shot to a later date, so that the maids can get their first shot. Lol! 

Refrain from harping on the most vulnerable in Singapore.

 

What does it serve to Singapore if the maids (or any Foreigners in Singapore) spread the covid infection to locals.

 

You seriously got a split mind ... and nothing else than a racist brain.

 

If you had a bit of intelligence you would have seen the risk if maids get infected and how the spread would be multiplicative through Singapore. maids go doing groceries, bring kids to schools, kindergartens, pre-school, face the bosses and relatives etc and mingle around in public transport.

 

Would Singapore be Covid free if you just vaccinate the Singaporeans? yes or no? And what risk do you take if you don't vaccinate the foreigners here too?

 

You can't even get a clear rational view on such issues.

 

[Guest Guest]

30 minutes ago, Guest Hold, hold on..... what?? said:

Like that effective meh?  I thought like antibiotics, you cannot suka suka break or extend the required dosage.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/moh-studying-if-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-can-be-given-later-to-give-more-people

 

MOH claims that other country experts says OK, so it must be OK lor (just like how the other time they also says no need to wear mask unless you are sick because WHO said so, remember?)

 

20 minutes ago, Guest U got racist brain said:

Refrain from harping on the most vulnerable in Singapore.

 

What does it serve to Singapore if the maids (or any Foreigners in Singapore) spread the covid infection to locals.

 

You seriously got a split mind ... and nothing else than a racist brain.

 

If you had a bit of intelligence you would have seen the risk if maids get infected and how the spread would be multiplicative through Singapore. maids go doing groceries, bring kids to schools, kindergartens, pre-school, face the bosses and relatives etc and mingle around in public transport.

 

Would Singapore be Covid free if you just vaccinate the Singaporeans? yes or no? And what risk do you take if you don't vaccinate the foreigners here too?

 

You can't even get a clear rational view on such issues.

 

 

 How is that harping on the most vulnerable? Facts are facts. 

 

If you had a bit of intelligence you would have seen the risk if Singaporeans maids get infected and how the spread would be multiplicative through Singapore. Singaporeans maids go doing groceries, bring kids to schools, kindergartens, pre-school, face the bosses and relatives (which maids don't do) etc and mingle around in public transport.

 

Your maid more important than Singaporeans hor? What's going to be more important than Singaporean next? Your cat? Your dog? 🖕🖕 

[lonelyglobe]

 

Not a bad start but the problem now is not enough vaccine,  yet cannot admit not enough but put it in a nice way,  "exploring the possibility of administering one dose of vaccine". Same like no mask but also cannot admit dont have. 

 

Edited May 17, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[Neh Neh]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/moh-studying-if-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-can-be-given-later-to-give-more-people

 

MOH claims that other country experts says OK, so it must be OK lor (just like how the other time they also says no need to wear mask unless you are sick because WHO said so, remember?)

 

 

 How is that harping on the most vulnerable? Facts are facts. 

 

If you had a bit of intelligence you would have seen the risk if Singaporeans maids get infected and how the spread would be multiplicative through Singapore. Singaporeans maids go doing groceries, bring kids to schools, kindergartens, pre-school, face the bosses and relatives (which maids don't do) etc and mingle around in public transport.

 

Your maid more important than Singaporeans hor? What's going to be more important than Singaporean next? Your cat? Your dog? 🖕🖕 

Why chinese vaccine not available here?

[Guest Guest]

6 hours ago, Neh Neh said:

Why chinese vaccine not available here?

 

你搞什么鬼？！你不要跟我太过分！

[lonelyglobe]

7 hours ago, Neh Neh said:

Why chinese vaccine not available here?

There are already 200,000 doses of chinese vaccine sitting in our warehouse since Feb but waiting for approval to be used.

 

What happen is sometime in april last year, not sure if that is consider early or late, SG have place option to purchase with deposit for various type of vaccines. These 200,000 doses are purchased and not free gift from china. Now will be interesting to see the fate of these vaccines. 

Edited May 18, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[Guest Guest]

Just went for second dose. Ask doctor how long can this vaccine last after injection. Doctor couldn't answer my question  push it to mOH. 

[superflawless]

You really don't want Chinese vaccine. Read this:

 

Seychelles, the world’s most vaccinated nation, has had a surge in cases despite much of its population being inoculated with Sinopharm. Sinopharm is China's vaccine for Covid-19.

 

 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/worlds-most-vaccinated-nation-spooked-183254060.html

[superflawless]

Sinopharm vaccine draws questions after Seychelles COVID-19 case spike

As of May 17, the country reported a total of 9,184 COVID-19 cases and a seven-day average of 402 cases. The spike in cases has raised doubts about the effectiveness of Sinopharm’s vaccine, though it remains unknown how many of the new cases involving vaccinated people received the Chinese vaccine.

 

https://www.bioworld.com/articles/507156-sinopharm-vaccine-draws-questions-after-seychelles-covid-19-case-spike

[Guest u bragg?]

31 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Just went for second dose. Ask doctor how long can this vaccine last after injection. Doctor couldn't answer my question  push it to mOH. 

ur post is out of thread topic. 

 

No need to bragg. plenty guy wait for 1st vaccine. 

 

Read in google abt the length of protect. Dun bother us. 

 

[Guest Guest]

See the Jade Rasif case can see how many giant loopholes on the ground, and others starting to voice out with similar experience. Even have people coming from highly infectious country asking for refund after early release from SHN.

 

https://mothership.sg/2021/05/jade-rasif-helper-covid-19/

[LeanMature]

3 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

There are already 200,000 doses of chinese vaccine sitting in our warehouse since Feb but waiting for approval to be used.

 

What happen is sometime in april last year, not sure if that is consider early or late, SG have place option to purchase with deposit for various type of vaccines. These 200,000 doses are purchased and not free gift from china. Now will be interesting to see the fate of these vaccines. 

 

MOH said seeking "more data" from China before using it.  Already sitting in the warehouse for past 3 months.  

[singalion]

 

But the more recent trial results suggest the Sinovac is less effective compared to even Astra-Zeneca .

 

The WHO approval is simply outstanding because as of today the manufacturer Sinovac has refused to submit trials on side effects of the vaccine and in particular to side effects for people above 60y.

The issue is Trial III results for elderly above 60y and older are still outstanding from Sinovac. currently there are just preliminary results from these trials, which is not sufficient to issue a complete approval by WHO.

 

Soon 6 months have passed but Sinovac has not reported any newer and final trial results to WHO.

As long as this is outstanding WHO will not approve the vaccine.

 

Trials on elderly suggest, effectiveness on Sinovac is less.

 

Sinovac contributed to doubts due to their lack of transparency. Trial results from Brazil were not released but on request from Sinovac held back.

 

 

 

 

On 1 April 2021, a preliminary report^[38] from a phase III clinical trial in Chile^[39] revealed that CoronaVac is safe and induces humoral and cell-mediated immunity in adults (18–59 years old) and the elderly (60 years or older) similar to previous phase II trials conducted in China with the same age groups and immunization schedule consisting of two doses with a 14-day interval. The adverse effects were mild and local, mainly limited to pain at the injection site, which was more common in adults.A robust increase of T helper cells (CD4⁺) secreting interferon gamma was detected 14 days after both doses in response to stimulation with peptides of the S protein and of other viral particles, but the response to S protein peptides was reduced in the elderly due to a natural reduction of activated CD4⁺ T cells in this age group, as found in studies of other vaccines. The immune response of cytotoxic T cell (CD8⁺) was not as robust.

 

Delays in releasing results

On 23 December 2020, researchers in Brazil said the vaccine was more than 50% effective, but withheld full results at Sinovac's request, raising questions about transparency as it was the third delay in releasing results from the trials.^[15] When São Paulo state officials announced the protection rate, they declined to provide a more detailed breakdown of the trial, such as information about age groups and side effects of the vaccine.^[14] Scientists said the lack of transparency about the data ran the risk of damaging CoronaVac's credibility, with Brazilians and others world-wide already reluctant to take it.

 

 

Here is the latest update from WHO:

 

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/who-inches-closer-to-approval-of-chinese-sinopharm-and-sinovac-vaccines/

Sinovac might be approved despite outstanding tests from WHO due to the urgency to get the world vaccinated.

Note Sinovac vaccine is the costliest.

 

WHO Inches Closer to Approval of Chinese Sinopharm and Sinovac Vaccines

Medicines & Vaccines 03/05/2021

 

The Chinese vaccines from Sinopharm and Sinovac could be approved by the end of this week, noted the WHO Assistant Director-General for Drug Access, Vaccines and Pharmaceuticals Mariangela Simao, speaking at a WHO press conference on Monday.

“We are finalizing the assessment of Sinopharm [but] there’s still some documentation that needs to be added,”

Despite the lack of published data for the two vaccines, as well as their hefty price, both seem to have met the WHO’s minimum efficacy requirement of 50%, the WHO’s chairperson of Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) said late last month.

 

Sinovac: Brazil results show Chinese vaccine 50.4% effective

Published 13 January 2021

A coronavirus vaccine developed by China's Sinovac has been found to be 50.4% effective in Brazilian clinical trials, according to the latest results released by researchers.

It shows the vaccine is significantly less effective than previous data suggested - barely over the 50% needed for regulatory approval.

The Chinese vaccine is one of two that the Brazilian government has lined up.

Brazil has been one of the countries worst affected by Covid-19.

Sinovac, a Beijing-based biopharmaceutical company, is behind CoronaVac, an inactivated vaccine. It works by using killed viral particles to expose the body's immune system to the virus without risking a serious disease response.

Several countries, including Indonesia, Turkey and Singapore, have placed orders for the vaccine.

 

China’s Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine 67% effective in preventing symptomatic infection - Chile govt report

China’s Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine 67% effective in preventing symptomatic infection - Chile govt report

 

 

 

 

China’s Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine 67% effective in preventing symptomatic infection - Chile govt report

 

Reuters April 17, 2021

 

China's Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine was 67% effective in preventing symptomatic infection, data from a huge real-world study inChile has shown, a potential boost for the jab which has come under scrutiny over its level of protection against the virus.

 

 

 

Serious adverse reactions of Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine in HK are within the expected range: experts

 

 

 

 

 

Thailand sticks with Sinovac vaccine after cases of 'stroke-like' side effects

April 21, 2021

 

 

Thailand will continue to use COVID-19 vaccine from China's Sinovac Biotech (SVA.O) following six reports of unusual "stroke-like" side effects among recipients, government-appointed experts said on Wednesday.

Six medical personnel in Rayong province, east of Bangkok, who were inoculated earlier this month experienced symptoms similar to those of a stroke, the panel of experts said, including drowsiness and numbness in the limbs.

 

 

The Japan Times May 13, 2021

But unlike those companies (Pfizer / Astra-Zeneca )— and even Russia’s Sputnik shot — it still hasn’t published any data in an academic journal, the gold standard experts use to assess a vaccine.

By January, Sinovac’s vaccine had seen four different efficacy rates — ranging from as high as 91% to as low as 50% — triggering concern among scientists and putting a question mark over its ability to protect against the virus still paralyzing the globe.

THE BEST WAY FOR THE SINOVAC VACCINE TO BE JUDGED IS FOR ITS DATA TO BE PUBLISHED IN PEER-REVIEWED ARTICLES, WHICH “PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THESE STUDIES AND CLINICAL TRIALS HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY AND SHOWN SOLID EFFICACY RESULTS,” SAID DAVID HEYMANN, AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST AT THE LONDON SCHOOL OF HYGIENE AND TROPICAL MEDICINE.

That Chinese vaccines are now being administered outside of the country and around the world is a significant achievement, one that would have been “virtually unthinkable” before the pandemic, said Brad Loncar, chief executive officer of Loncar Investments, .

“Without a doubt the transparency the Chinese companies and regulators have exhibited is nowhere near the highest levels and needs improvement,” he said. “That’s what is required to gain the public’s highest confidence in medicine, and it is why the United States has achieved this gold standard.”

“If China wants to be a global leader in medicine on that level in the future, at some point it will have to get there from a transparency and regulatory standpoint.”

 

[Guest Goulash Which Is Very Posh]

Nightingale, stop spreading PRC propaganda on Blowing Wind, because you are not helping advance the conversation. The PRC can never do any wrong in your mind, the same way Trump can never do any wrong in the minds of his followers, and you are dishing out the same type of paranoid conspiracy fantasies. None of the vaccines are perfect, but several are better than the PRC vaccine, and that is why more people are hesitant to use it. End of tale.

[Guest Guest]

On 5/16/2021 at 8:07 PM, Nightingale said:

Firstly, prove that I am a traitor.

 

Still need evidence one meh? You are the notorious 叛徒走狗卖国贼 of BW.

 

On 5/16/2021 at 8:07 PM, Nightingale said:

Secondly, prove my hatred for Singaporeans.

 

Oh... Just take a good look at how you jump at the chance to scold Singaporeans. 

 

On 5/16/2021 at 8:07 PM, Nightingale said:

Thirdly, when did I say supplies in other countries are going to be unavailable.

 

That seems to be the only reason in your mind as to why people go clear out the shelves, isn't it? That's what you say of Singaporeans, didn't you? So you have other reasons? Reasons that apply only to foreigners but not to Singaporeans, just so that you can justify shelves-clearing by foreigners but not by Singaporeans? 

 

On 5/16/2021 at 8:07 PM, Nightingale said:

Lastly, most of important of all, go see a shrink (as urged by the Moderator before).

 

On the contrary, the mods told us 你有病, so that's why they were so lenient with you with all your countless trolling and xenophilia love for anyone foreign. 

[Guest Guest]

On 5/16/2021 at 11:31 PM, Guest Tomato said:

 

Why is it that when one debates, and when there is no (intelligent) facts to rebut, one must always have to resort to not-happy-get-out kind of argument?  It is actually a loser mentality.

 

Did you tell that to the MP who made such a statement to all Singaporeans in Parliament? 

[Guest Goulash Which Is Very Posh]

8 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

On the contrary, the mods told us 你有病, so that's why they were so lenient with you with all your countless trolling and xenophilia love for anyone foreign. 

 

Nightingale does not love 'all foreigners' ... he only loves all PRCs ... and all things PRC.

 

The truth is he wants to be a PRC and he wants Singapore to be a satellite of the PRC.

[Guest Guest]

Delhi chief minister Arvind Kejriwal on Tuesday warned the Centre of a new variant of coronavirus disease (Covid-19) found in Singapore and said that it can result in India's third wave.

The virus, Kejriwal said, is extremely dangerous for children and asked Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led government to immediately halt air services with Singapore and prioritise vaccination drive for children.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/singapore-virus-can-be-india-s-3rd-wave-extremely-dangerous-for-kids-warns-arvind-kejriwal-101621329215829.html

[singalion]

21 hours ago, Rugbywhite said:

That's a well crafted selection of opinions and assumptions, shame that's all it is

Sorry, it was actually reasoning on the basis of facts and data available... 😉

[singalion]

I actually don't understand why the two Chinese vaccines are so costly?

 

You can read the price even "political" in moving it just 1 USD below Moderna.

 

This is ripping off poorer countries.

Considering Sinovac and Sinopharm to be "old school" vaccines and not mRNA based new inventions, the price seems not justified in my personal view.

 

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by singalion

[singalion]

 

7 hours ago, superflawless said:

You really don't want Chinese vaccine. Read this:

 

Seychelles, the world’s most vaccinated nation, has had a surge in cases despite much of its population being inoculated with Sinopharm. Sinopharm is China's vaccine for Covid-19.

 

 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/worlds-most-vaccinated-nation-spooked-183254060.html

 

7 hours ago, superflawless said:

Sinopharm vaccine draws questions after Seychelles COVID-19 case spike

As of May 17, the country reported a total of 9,184 COVID-19 cases and a seven-day average of 402 cases. The spike in cases has raised doubts about the effectiveness of Sinopharm’s vaccine, though it remains unknown how many of the new cases involving vaccinated people received the Chinese vaccine.

 

https://www.bioworld.com/articles/507156-sinopharm-vaccine-draws-questions-after-seychelles-covid-19-case-spike

 

Just for clarification:

Singapore bought the Sinovac  vaccine called CoronaVac and not this second one quoted above called Sinopharm.

 

 

[singalion]

2 hours ago, Nightingale said:

And here's an article for you to peruse but of course if your prejudice against China still holds your mind after all those pro-Western  media bombardments, then it's up to you.

China  Sinovac  Shot  Seen  Highly  Effective  in  Real  World  Study

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-11/china-s-sinovac-shot-found-highly-effective-in-real-world-study

 

 

But Bloomberg is US media.

This defeats your argument on bias by Western media or "the West" preventing Sinovac from getting approval.

 

In my assessment it was the transparency issue caused by Sinovac itself for getting negative image.

 

Why did they hold back the Brazil trial results? Was there something to hide?

 

Why did Sinovac come out on such a late stage with trial results for the group of 60y and above?

 

Singapore surely had approved the Sinovac vaccine if Sinovac had not delayed the test and trial results.

 

Blame Sinovac's strategy in causing more concern than trust in their vaccine.

(It is all over the place to read and not only from US or European media).

 

 

 

Regarding the other parts of your post I may respond in a different thread.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by singalion

[Rugbywhite]

53 minutes ago, singalion said:

Sorry, it was actually reasoning on the basis of facts and data available... 😉

No it wasn't it was ignoring fact to look in the direction of opinion you wish to be truth

[Rugbywhite]

25 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

When I said Western media, I am referring to a vast majority of them.  If 1 or 2 journalists decide to be fair and square, then they will report according to their conscience.  As for the transparency issue, I am not in the know.  Note that the most of the Western media is heavily prejudiced and I wouldn't trust everything they say.  When Huawei told the West about the gentleman's agreement on NO MUTUAL SPYING and to be signed in black and white, the West rejected it.  Even when Huawei offered its software code to prove its sincerity, the West still scream spying, technology theft etc.  When the US imposed tariffs on China goods, it's ok but when China does it, it's called "violating WTO rules".  They lie again about being forbidden to set up shops in China when there are so many Western enterprises thriving there.  All just to "show" that China is ruled by an ironclad communist regime.  If the West does not like anything, they say it's security issue.  If the West like it to the detrimental of others, it's called freedom & democracy.  When the HK mobs ruined the streets, the Liberation Army did not intervene and Trump called the mobsters "democracy fighters".  But when the protestors in US took the streets, Trump sent the troops and called the protesters "mobs".  Remember what Pompeo proudly said in a video?  "We cheat, we lie, we steal ..."  Too bad you have been immersed in their lies for too long such that your mind is conditioned to think along those lines.

Is you complaining that other countries have a free media part of the covid discussion?

Or are you just proud that the media for your country is run and controlled by the government so you only ever get the reports they want you to have?

 

[Guest Tree]

1 hour ago, Nightingale said:

Dr Leong on Channel 8 news now asking everyone to wear Certified high filtration rate Surgical Masks for 1 month instead of cloth mask. He said to wear the cloth mask over the surgical mask if wanna look pretty.

When buying surgical masks, always buy graded surgical masks.
Take care especially when buying online.
What are graded surgical masks?
1.  They have the CE label - Certificate of Compliance.  If there is no CE label on the box, don't get it.
2.  The BFE (bacterial filtration efficiency) level should be at least 95%. If 98% or 99%, even better.

The USA grading equivalent is at least ASTM Level 2, but most of the surgical masks sold in SG use the CE grading.

Remember to:
1. Pinch on the nose strap to fit/mould to your nose shape.
2. Pull down to your chin to reduce air leaks.
3. Before disposing, cut off the loops - lest marine animals get trapped in these...

 

 

My company provided masks for employees all come in plastic packets. These masks are blue in color.  They don't come in a box.. I wonder if these are consider high filtration rate surgical masks and if they even have the CE label.  

[Rugbywhite]

@Nightingale Ah, so your country complete lack of freedom of press and speech is ok, because other countries have corporations involved in their freedom of speech and press?

 

Also you missed the question about how other countries having freedom, unlike you, was part of the conversation on covid, maybe if you want to talk about your lack of freedom you should start a thread on that.

[Rugbywhite]

8 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

Freedom is never absolute, be it in the West or East.  One must not see everything in black & white as even here, we have corporations involved with our govt.  On the other hand, even a reasonable amount of limitation of freedom of speech has its own benefits especially if the masses are not enlightened enough.  Since this thread is about Sg Covid, let's not digress into other countries or freedom of speech etc.  Set up your agenda in another thread please.

Rofl, I'm going to assume the end of that sentence was you talking to yourself, rather than repeating what I said to you and hoping no one noticed

[Guest Guest]

28 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

 

At least China does not force countries to buy from it.  Compare below:

 

They don't force countries to buy from it? 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/16/china-coronavirus-vaccine-visas/

 

Look at the vaccine politics that China is playing. Yeah.. Of course someone is going to argue and say that such vaccine politics is not 'forcing'. 

 

 

[Rugbywhite]

4 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

by  Micheal Tan

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158268467403176&id=700288175

 

Are you in agreement with this post, of repost to point out the racism in it?

 

Hard to guess from your other posts and you didn't say. 

[singalion]

2 hours ago, Rugbywhite said:

No it wasn't it was ignoring fact to look in the direction of opinion you wish to be truth

 

But then you need to say what fact I ignored.

[Rugbywhite]

1 minute ago, singalion said:

 

But then you need to say what fact I ignored.

All the ones you brushed over and said things like "And you need to factor" when you don't need to factor, you need to potentially allow for.

 

And I also don't "Need to" tell you what you know you brushed over