Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[bodybuildMLY]

On 12/9/2023 at 5:20 PM, singalion said:

 

Sorry but the two rearches have never been found as conclusive:

 

There are various scientific findings that Covid (even Omicron) is still deadlier than the normal flu virus.

 

 

The statistical numbers of Singapore on Covid and flu deaths already show this very clearly (even if you just take Omicron).

 

The vaccinations in the end made the difference of having less severe cases of Covid and less people requiring hospitalisation or who died on Covid.

 

You can't just take two months and compare both.

 

Certain scientists in same article already disputed the headline.

 

 

The European research lead exactly to the opposite result:

(It is strange that the European Research mentions exactly the opposite headline than above article).

Omicron appears more deadly than seasonal influenza, study suggests

April 7, 2023

 

 

European Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases

 

 

Adults hospitalized with the SARS-CoV-2 omicron variant have a higher death rate than those hospitalized with seasonal influenza, even though omicron is considered less virulent with lower case fatality rates than the delta and alpha strains. This is suggested by new research being presented at this year's European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases (ECCMID) in Copenhagen, Denmark (15–18 April).

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-04-omicron-deadly-seasonal-influenza.html

 

 

Covid-19 update: Omicron strain 40% more lethal than flu

March 3, 2022

 

The Omicron strain of Covid-19 is at least 40% more lethal than seasonal flu, according Japanese scientists, underscoring the potential danger of lifting pandemic curbs too quickly and underestimating the virus’s ongoing health risks.

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/covid-omicron-more-lethal-than-flu/?cf-view

 

COVID Omicron carries 4 times the risk of death as flu, new data show

News brief   August 26, 2023

 

After the emergence of the Omicron variant in 2022, France saw a high proportion of intensive care unit admissions and deaths from causes other than COVID-19 compared with previous variants.

 

Flu was tied to a yearly average of 15,654 deaths during the 2014-15 through 2018-19 seasons and 7,851 deaths from week 33, 2022, to week 12, 2023. During the latter period, 32,607 people died of COVID-19, or their deaths were related to the disease.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-omicron-carries-4-times-risk-death-flu-new-data-show

 

 

Please also don't forget long Covid, meaning illness people are suffering long time after having contracted covid. Such illnesses are not associated with flu.

 

 

 

 

Using similar argument, we do not know the effect of COVID-19 vaccination, albeit it does help during the initial spread of the virus to reduce death rate due to the virus. Yet, at the same time, the prolonged effect post-vaccination is still a matter of time.  

[Guest covidvacclongterm]

3 hours ago, bodybuildMLY said:

 

Using similar argument, we do not know the effect of COVID-19 vaccination, albeit it does help during the initial spread of the virus to reduce death rate due to the virus. Yet, at the same time, the prolonged effect post-vaccination is still a matter of time.  

 

sorry, that's also been debunked already: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60468900

[Guest Guest]

Heard the news reported that 5000 cases per day recently, and i have few colleagues are down with covid for the past few days, one after another, so scary. Looks like this covid wave the virus quite strong, many people got it. Now i also started to feel sick. 😅

[mate69]

9 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Heard the news reported that 5000 cases per day recently, and i have few colleagues are down with covid for the past few days, one after another, so scary. Looks like this covid wave the virus quite strong, many people got it. Now i also started to feel sick. 😅

Omgggggg

[Singroc]

10 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Heard the news reported that 5000 cases per day recently, and i have few colleagues are down with covid for the past few days, one after another, so scary. Looks like this covid wave the virus quite strong, many people got it. Now i also started to feel sick. 😅

So many people still not wearing masks on public transport. I am not surprise.

[bodybuildMLY]

On 12/11/2023 at 1:28 AM, Guest covidvacclongterm said:

 

sorry, that's also been debunked already: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60468900

 

Let's be more intelligent than just quoting 2022 BBC news article.

 

Vaccine effects and research about it takes a longitudinal study to have a better picture. It is now 2023. More and more studies will be made about it, albeit these studies may be detrimental for some factions due to political and economical reasons. 

 

For example. the COVID-19 virus may trigger dormant Epstein-Barr Virus in a person's body.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10292739/

 

It may come from infection or vaccination as both triggers the cytokine in the body. My dad had nasopharyngeal cancer, due to Epstein-Barr virus based on the biopsy report, this year which is very rare for the Malay community, and we have no history of familial cancer patients from any side of the family tree.

 

Let's be more prudent and err on the safer side. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by bodybuildMLY

[Guest China Virus is Back]

 

[singalion]

2 hours ago, bodybuildMLY said:

 

Let's be more intelligent than just quoting 2022 BBC news article.

 

Vaccine effects and research about it takes a longitudinal study to have a better picture. It is now 2023. More and more studies will be made about it, albeit these studies may be detrimental for some factions due to political and economical reasons. 

 

For example. the COVID-19 virus may trigger dormant Epstein-Barr Virus in a person's body.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10292739/

 

It may come from infection or vaccination as both triggers the cytokine in the body. My dad had nasopharyngeal cancer, due to Epstein-Barr virus based on the biopsy report, this year which is very rare for the Malay community, and we have no history of familial cancer patients from any side of the family tree.

 

Let's be more prudent and err on the safer side. 

 

For clarification: 

 

The potential trigger of the Epstein-Barr virus is not the Covid vaccination but the Covid 19 infection. 

 

The article touches the issue of increased Epstein-Barr virus in patients who suffered long Covid symptons after a severe infection. 

 

The article at no point makes any reference to increase of Epstein-Barr virus in Covid 19 vaccinated persons. 

 

Let's read and quote medical articles in their substance and not by just quoting something and creating allusions. 

 

However, there are newer researches that contradict the older researches on any link.

 

Thanks. 

 

 

[singalion]

here is the science article contradicting the other: (or making clarification that mild Covid infections do not trigger Eppstein Barr. 

 

 

Epstein-Barr virus reactivation is not causative for post-COVID-19-syndrome in individuals with asymptomatic or mild SARS-CoV-2 disease course

 

• Published: 15 November 2023

 

 

Post-COVID-19-Syndrome (PCS) frequently occurs after an infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2). However, the understanding of causative mechanisms is still limited. Aim of this study was to determine the PCS rate among SARS-CoV-2 seropositive blood donors as representatives of supposedly healthy adults, who had experienced an asymptomatic or mild COVID-19 disease course, and to examine whether Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) is reactivated in individuals reporting PCS.

 

Conclusion

Our data suggest that PCS in per se healthy, immunocompetent adults cannot be ascribed to a reactivation of EBV.

 

https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-023-08820-w

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

12 hours ago, Singroc said:

So many people still not wearing masks on public transport. I am not surprise.

Many people treat covid as common flu, no need to worry and scare. Just sick for few days and recovered.

[bluerunner]

Task Force will re-start to report covid cases starting 19 Dec.

Let's see how the numbers will go. At the meantime, mask up.

[Guest Guest]

32 minutes ago, bluerunner said:

Task Force will re-start to report covid cases starting 19 Dec.

Let's see how the numbers will go. At the meantime, mask up.

Yes. I already made this point earlier.

[Guest Keving]

Pap say after u take vaccine, when u got covid it will be like having fever and flu. How come now suddenly have to put beds at expo for covid patients to stay again?

[lonelyglobe]

On 12/14/2023 at 10:03 PM, Guest Guest said:

Many people treat covid as common flu, no need to worry and scare. Just sick for few days and recovered.

Yes,  government have successfully bring across that message but if that is the case,  then they should stop updating the weekly cases,  if we don't do that for common flu, so why for covid? Only create panic. 

 

Anyway even if they report 100k, the stubborn ones will still not wear mask,  the young ones will still take it lightly, I can see an increase in people wearing mask but 70-80% are still "boh chap".

[Guest Gueest]

On 12/16/2023 at 2:58 PM, bluerunner said:

Task Force will re-start to report covid cases starting 19 Dec.

Let's see how the numbers will go. At the meantime, mask up.

They reactive task force? Means covid situation is getting serious? This is worrying.

[Guest Guest]

21 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Yes,  government have successfully bring across that message but if that is the case,  then they should stop updating the weekly cases,  if we don't do that for common flu, so why for covid? Only create panic. 

 

Anyway even if they report 100k, the stubborn ones will still not wear mask,  the young ones will still take it lightly, I can see an increase in people wearing mask but 70-80% are still "boh chap".

Agreed, if they want to treat covid as common flu, why they create panic for people.

 

Many people would not revert to wearing mask even the covid cases went up sharply, since govt already ask us not to panic and treat covid as common flu. Unless govt mandate wearing of mask again, if not majority people would not bother to wear mask.

[Guest guest]

Gov should fine sick people not wearing mask in public

[singalion]

19 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Agreed, if they want to treat covid as common flu, why they create panic for people.

 

Seems that with Covid still more people require hospitalisation and more die than compared to flu. 

 

It is not creating panic but awareness. 

 

We also have a huge bunch of vulnerable people in the gay community. 

 

Just get your booster if the last one is too long ago. 

 

Ask your elderly relatives and grand parents to get a booster vaccination also. 

 

 

[singalion]

19 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Many people would not revert to wearing mask even the covid cases went up sharply, since govt already ask us not to panic and treat covid as common flu. Unless govt mandate wearing of mask again, if not majority people would not bother to wear mask.

 

It is like wearing condoms, if you intend to protect yourself, just wear a mask. 

 

If you don't , like sex, it's at your own risk  ...

 

Always calling the government for everything doesn't lead to people becoming more responsible. 

 

 

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[singalion]

latest numbers:

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics

 

weekly cases ranging around 59,000 that makes roughly 8.5 k new cases per day.

 

The true numbers should be higher as no reporting any longer.

 

 

If you look at the other numbers such as hospitalision, ICU etc 80% are at the age group 60 and above.

 

 

Tell you parents, grand parents to get a vaccination booster to avoid ending up in a hospital.

 

[Guest Guest]

On 12/21/2023 at 10:55 PM, singalion said:

latest numbers:

 

https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics

 

weekly cases ranging around 59,000 that makes roughly 8.5 k new cases per day.

 

The true numbers should be higher as no reporting any longer.

 

 

If you look at the other numbers such as hospitalision, ICU etc 80% are at the age group 60 and above.

 

 

Tell you parents, grand parents to get a vaccination booster to avoid ending up in a hospital.

 

8.5k per day is very scary, even the condition is mild or not very serious. It means covid virus still very contiguous. I have a colleague who got covid first time recently, he said the feeling of getting covid as compared to common flu is very different. The covid virus makes you feel sicker and more uncomfortable, but overall, the condition does not say very serious. So covid definitely not as what govt said, treat it as common flu.