For gays who will be seniors one day - A Steve5380 Topic!

[Steve5380]

On 1/18/2022 at 1:29 AM, singalion said:

 

From the word meaning angle solitude and loneliness has different meanings, which might be clearer to English native speakers.

 

But Steve often prefers to argue on such word notions instead on the issue or he prefers to retort just not to be seen as if his point was not logic.

 

I agree with you that his points on the artists, scientists are flawed.

 

Would need to consult literature and music experts to reason whether Einstein, Beethoven enjoyed solitude or not.

 

It is natural and common sense that certain artists require solitude and silence to write their books, do their researches or compose a symphony.

But it does not say anything whether they enjoyed the solitude. We are not aware of this.

 

The other point Steve mentioned on solitude and social skills I found rather bizarre.

surely there are people who shy other people or groups because they have a problem to socialise or disgust socialising and prefer to stay loners. But it doesn't say anything about their social skills.

 

If Steve had looked for a good example, then it had been Verdi who avoided social events and only had a few friends.

But we don't know whether it was that he preferred solitude or whether he felt uncomfortable in larger groups?

 

There are people that can manage well being alone and can "entertain" themselves when nobody is around, other people have difficulties if they are alone or fail to get something done.

Surely, Steve, just to prove him right (which he wasn't) digressed from the actual topic which was that not upkeeping social contacts in old age have negative effects on health.

That was actually the starting point of discussion.

 

What it doesn't meant that elderly people should not have their "own" time or enjoy being alone. Nobody ever said that.

But what it was meant for was: Go for social events and social interaction, don't stay alone (in solitude) all the time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for supporting my assertion that loneliness and solitude are basically different.

 

Loneliness is A FEELING,  while solitude is A STATE OF BEING.

 

Now,... to know if loneliness or solitude were enjoyed or not,  this is difficult to determine in a person who has passed away, unless he left something written about.  But let's use our reason:  those extraordinary people who excelled in their skill and had to work in solitude to apply it,  wouldn't they have enjoyed the process?   Surely Einstein loved physics, and Beethoven must have been satisfied composing his unique music, which he knew was extraordinary. 

 

I understand that you are not old,  so you cannot personally know, feel, analyze what a senior person thinks and feels.  All you know about old age comes from hearsay.  Maybe one day when you are a senior you will realize that I am right.  Hopefully you do then out of your own experience.

 

There is so much blah blah blah  about how bad it is for old people to live alone.  This is correct all for people, not only seniors, who live in constant loneliness.  And the main argument in the case of old people is that they have disabilities and feeble mind and therefore they may need close assistance, and the lack of it may lead to their death.

 

What you don't know yet, is that old people who remain fully functional and have a good mind ARE NO DIFFERENT from younger people.  They don't need any special attention. They don't need a "loving constant human contact" any more than any young person needs.  What does change as we age is that we become more aware of our feelings, and our friendliness, empathy, compassion develops stronger from our experiences and understanding.  But this does not mean that we need to have always people around us to unload on them our friendliness, empathy, compassion.   

 

And so, I continue writing for gays who will be seniors one day:   If you now see around so many seniors who are bogged down from age,  walking with difficulty, having slurred speech, a facial expression with eyes lost in space,  ( I saw so many seniors like this sitting or laying on benches around Chinatown ), you indeed see what are normal seniors.

 

But there is no need to be "normal", "average".  We are not so normal to begin with, being gay instead of straight. What is important for you is to realize that this "normal" is not a rigid imposition of nature.  And to realize this, it is sufficient to know that there are normal people who escape this sad "normal",  that it is something attainable without superhuman efforts, and to read about how to achieve this exemption from "normal".   The rest is up to you.  Good luck!

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Edited January 18, 2022 by Steve5380

[singalion]

On 1/18/2022 at 11:46 PM, Steve5380 said:

Thank you for supporting my assertion that loneliness and solitude are basically different.

 

Loneliness is A FEELING,  while solitude is A STATE OF BEING.

 

But I said before that was not the crucial point on what I objected, same as I had used both words in the same sentence...

 

The difference is irrelevant to the discussion whether solitude or loneliness is a result of lack of social skills to which I objected.

 

Please refer to my previous posts on this topic.

 

 

As you might be aware, most Roman originated languages don't differentiate between loneliness and solitude.

 

[Steve5380]

On 1/18/2022 at 10:50 AM, singalion said:

 

As you might be aware, most Roman originated languages don't differentiate between loneliness and solitude.

 

The difference is irrelevant to the discussion whether solitude or loneliness is a result of lack of social skills to which I objected.

 

 

You surely know the saying: "when in Rome, do like the Romans".   Here our conversation is in English, not a Roman language,  so what is or is not in Roman languages is irrelevant.

 

The discussion is not only whether solitude or loneliness is a result of lack of social skills.  It surely can be a contributing factor. But people without social skills can still avoid solitude or loneliness if they want.  They simply are not so good at socializing,  but they don't need to avoid it.  They don't even need to dislike it. 

 

What is really important, crucial in the topic of this thread is to clearly define what solitude is, and its fundamental difference from loneliness.  This is because so many of our BW peers are concerned about living alone in solitude, thinking that this is the same as "being lonely", something undesirable.   Instead, they should think: "Bless you,  solitude, for allowing me to live in a peaceful, quiet, undisturbed environment, instead of being constantly bothered by a loud complaining spouse and rowdy, loud, disobedient children, all full of needs."

 

Gays like us who live happily in solitude can even enhance happiness with the company of a pet,  a loving doggie who lays down at our feet and looks at us with eyes full of adoration. ( but worry about their vaccinations, anti-fleas, veterinarian visits, dog-food supplies, daily walk outside to poop, etc. )

 

Also, let's remember that solitude is a state of being that does not need to be permanent, but usually is temporary.  A typical life is a combination of solitude and socializing. Individual happiness does not require any fixed proportion of these two components, which should be completely up to circumstances and the wish of the individual.  With my disabled bf always at home I was satisfied,  and now that he is gone I am recovering my happiness being alone again.  It is good to be flexible! 

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Edited January 18, 2022 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

For gays who are not seniors yet,  one question may be of interest.  What is YOUNG?

 

The Houston Marathon, the 26 mile yearly run, was held last Sunday. 

 

The winner in the women's category was Keira D'Amato, a 37 year old mother of two.  37 years YOUNG

The winner in the men's category was James Ngandu, a 31 year old guy.  31 years YOUNG

 

So, why are guys in their 30s called "uncles"?  I have not known any uncle who won a marathon.  My uncles surely did not!  Now that athletes are following better life styles, their winning ages are rising.  I don't have much hope that winning ages will reach 78,  but on the other hand those of us who have not been obsessed with being athletic winners can perhaps remain mostly young at such an age?   

[Guest what???]

On 1/19/2022 at 4:52 AM, Steve5380 said:

 I don't have much hope that winning ages will reach 78,  but on the other hand those of us who have not been obsessed with being athletic winners can perhaps remain mostly young at such an age?   

Don't try to rewrite the definition of young in the dictionary.

[Steve5380]

On 1/18/2022 at 9:14 PM, Guest what??? said:

Don't try to rewrite the definition of young in the dictionary.

 

I wouldn't dare to rewrite anything, I have much respect for the dictionary.  What I see there is:

 

Young (adjective): having lived or existed for only a short time.  Great definition!

 

But... the dictionary does not define what is a "short time".  A microsecond?  A second? A century?  Time is too relative!

[Guest Rolling eyes]

On 1/19/2022 at 11:53 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

Young (adjective): having lived or existed for only a short time.  Great definition!

 

But... the dictionary does not define what is a "short time".  A microsecond?  A second? A century?  Time is too relative!

Whatever. As long as you think you are happy with your own narrative. 

 

[Steve5380]

On 1/19/2022 at 5:01 PM, Guest Rolling eyes said:

Whatever. As long as you think you are happy with your own narrative. 

 

 

Yes, Rolling eyes,  I am satisfied with my narrative.  What I post about the topic is what I think is helpful.  

[Guest kekekeke]

On 1/20/2022 at 7:17 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

Yes, Rolling eyes,  I am satisfied with my narrative.  What I post about the topic is what I think is helpful.  

Indeed.  This forum gave you plenty of satisfaction to go wild with your thoughts, sometimes it depart from reality which we compromised, due to your advance in years....kekekekeke

[Steve5380]

And I think it is helpful the following recent video I found on YouTube.  Yes, it is again about FASTING.

 

 

It is again about Dr. David Sinclair, the expert in longevity who is becoming (or is already) a celebrity. 

 

Here is something strange, which is that Sinclair is starting with a promotion of his sponsors, and he is associated with such sponsors.  This sounds like there is some INTEREST here, hmmm...,  but is there a CONFLICT of interests?

 

Pfizer promoting its vaccine, of which it must be profiting a lot, is this a conflict of interests?  No one will blame Pfizer since its vaccine is so extraordinary and it knows it while promoting it.  Sinclair is promoting his stuff while surely profiting a lot with it, and he sounds like he believes in its worth.  So... the conflict may not be there.

 

I have become more trustful of his theories, and the practice of fasting, since I have been involved with it for nearly a month.  My skepticism has been reduced by what my reason tells me.  I find nothing harmful in his theories and practices, and even if I can still be a sucker, the benefits if I am not can justify a little risk I take.

 

I like the products he promotes.  The glucose meter at levels.link/sinclair  he directs to seems to be a really useful thing. I am tempted to buy a one time membership of $199 for one month of use, to test my glucose response to all the various foods I eat or want to eat.  I am also interested in the metabolic tests with biomarkers he promotes at insidetracker.com/sinclar and I would pay the $500 for the ultimate test, if I can convince myself.   Although I know already much data from the lab works I get done yearly.  Will see...  maybe a present for my next birthday, ha ha.

 

But none of what he promotes is essential.  More "foolproof" are his recommendations and data he provides.  This is hard to dismiss as "quackery" since he has good qualifications.  The fact that they coincide with the recommendations by other experts like Mike Sisson in his book "two meals a day", Dr. Jamnadas in his videos, and...  why not?  the Indian guru SADGHURU, helps the trust that there is REALITY in these recommendations.

 

If you see me posting on BW in twenty years from now, this can be sign that David Sinclair and the others are right.    

[Guest His Fan]

Dr. David Sinclair is the guy who taught people to alter their DNA, to look young, thru foods.  No where in his past speech did he say about fasting, or did I miss out something?  May be is a recent thing.

[Steve5380]

On 1/19/2022 at 9:06 PM, Guest His Fan said:

Dr. David Sinclair is the guy who taught people to alter their DNA, to look young, thru foods.  No where in his past speech did he say about fasting, or did I miss out something?  May be is a recent thing.

 

I remember from his earlier videos him talking about his eating only once a day. This is definitely intermittent fasting. I don't remember in which video, but I had posted a bunch of them in this thread:

 

 

[InBangkok]

On 1/18/2022 at 10:10 PM, Steve5380 said:

I haven't known Einstein personally.  But I have done technical, intellectual work for most of my life. I was not a theoretical scientist but a developer of technology products and designer of hardware and software.  So I know about the concentration it takes to do useful intellectual work and produce satisfactory results.  This cannot be done properly but in solitude.

Oh puhlease! So you project your own experience in a totally different field from that of Einstein on to how he worked and evolved his theories. You then state your views on how Einstein worked as fact! Once again your typical modus operandi - making assumptions and then writing about them as fact! You have no idea about Einstein. You cannot put yourself back in time to even think about how he might have worked! 

 

On 1/19/2022 at 10:53 AM, Steve5380 said:

I wouldn't dare to rewrite anything, I have much respect for the dictionary.  What I see there is:

 

Young (adjective): having lived or existed for only a short time.  Great definition!

 

But... the dictionary does not define what is a "short time".  A microsecond?  A second? A century?  Time is too relative!

Now you expose another modus operandi. When posters start to question you, you get back at them with often meaningless dictionary definitions. I can just see you in your little eyrie, dictionary at hand, going over every post to see how you can trip up those who dare question you. You have frequently used the comparative "younger" to claim here on BW that you look younger than you really are. Well, no doubt diet and exercise help, but it would be hard for anyone not to look younger after expensive hair transplants, face lifts and botox injections, all of which you have boasted about. Odd that you have neither discussed or posted videos about these procedures (and how expensive they are) in this thread!

[Steve5380]

On 1/19/2022 at 9:32 PM, InBangkok said:

 

Oh puhlease! So you project your own experience in a totally different field from that of Einstein on to how he worked and evolved his theories. You then state your views on how Einstein worked as fact! Once again your typical modus operandi - making assumptions and then writing about them as fact! You have no idea about Einstein. You cannot put yourself back in time to even think about how he might have worked! 

 

 

You obviously have never read anything about Einstein.  But I have, therefore I know. There are multitudes of articles that describe Einstein's likeness for solitude.  Like these ones, out of many:

 

https://www.azquotes.com/author/4399-Albert_Einstein/tag/solitude

 

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/column-einstein-shunned-phones-in-favor-of-quiet-reflection-and-solitude/2209416/

 

 

On 1/19/2022 at 9:32 PM, InBangkok said:

 

Now you expose another modus operandi. When posters start to question you, you get back at them with often meaningless dictionary definitions. I can just see you in your little eyrie, dictionary at hand, going over every post to see how you can trip up those who dare question you. You have frequently used the comparative "younger" to claim here on BW that you look younger than you really are. Well, no doubt diet and exercise help, but it would be hard for anyone not to look younger after expensive hair transplants, face lifts and botox injections, all of which you have boasted about. Odd that you have neither discussed or posted videos about these procedures (and how expensive they are) in this thread!

 

 

You are back to your modus operandi of trying to smear me in any way you think is possible, and by doing so you show the stupidity and mistakes of your attempt.  Look at the quotation of my post and where it came from, and you will see how wrong you are.

 

And please,  don't keep contaminating my thread with posts out of topic!  I might have to start reporting your posts.

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Edited January 20, 2022 by Steve5380

[InBangkok]

On 1/20/2022 at 6:17 AM, Steve5380 said:

What I post about the topic is what I think is helpful.  

Oh yes. You are always helpful. Another of your traits. After all, as you yourself have written in a BW post -

 

"I feel that I am a role model in many aspects of life."

 

A role model surrounded by quacks whose quackery he tries to get younger guys to believe.

[InBangkok]

On 1/20/2022 at 10:49 AM, Steve5380 said:

And please,  don't keep contaminating my thread with posts out of topic!  I might have to start reporting your posts.

What has been "out of topic" when I respond only to what you write? Oh, do go ahead with your reporting. You have done it before by complaining to the moderators about me as well as other posters. A bit like a small child complaining to mummy about being bullied at school. So childish! It's another of your traits seemingly - a trait of seniors, no doubt.

 

On 1/20/2022 at 10:49 AM, Steve5380 said:

You obviously have never read anything about Einstein.  But I have, therefore I know. There are multitudes of articles that describe Einstein's likeness for solitude. 

There you go again! Pure assumption - and pure incorrect assumption! So you "know" because you have read something. You have no idea how Einstein worked. And you state categorically I have "never read anything about Einstein." What a joke! Your memory clearly fails you because I wrote this only two days ago -

 

On 1/18/2022 at 1:23 PM, InBangkok said:

Indeed of the many with whom he worked on his theory of relativity, the engineer Michele Besso and the mathematician Marcel Grossmann, as well as his first wife Mileva Maric, were especially important. He also consulted regularly with other leading experts of the day including Gunnar Nordstrom, Friedrich Kottler, Adriaan Fokker and Erwin Finlay Freundlich. Later he sought out astronomers regarding his Theory and worked together with them on many experiments. 

 

So I have not read anything about Einstein. You are so WRONG! Go ahead! Register your complaint!

[Steve5380]

On 1/19/2022 at 10:01 PM, InBangkok said:

What has been "out of topic" when I respond only to what you write? Oh, do go ahead with your reporting. You have done it before by complaining to the moderators about me as well as other posters. A bit like a small child complaining to mummy about being bullied at school. So childish! It's another of your traits seemingly - a trait of seniors, no doubt.

 

 

It is not you, I can handle you with one arm tied behind my back, ha ha.  It is about the important topic of the thread, the valuable information for gays who will be seniors one day,  information you badmouth and contaminate with your constant bitching about my alleged shortcomings.   Maybe I should send you some candy so that you keep occupied and don't bother here  

 

On 1/19/2022 at 10:01 PM, InBangkok said:

 

There you go again! Pure assumption - and pure incorrect assumption! So you "know" because you have read something. You have no idea how Einstein worked. And you state categorically I have "never read anything about Einstein." What a joke! Your memory clearly fails you because I wrote this only two days ago -

 

So I have not read anything about Einstein. You are so WRONG! Go ahead! Register your complaint!

 

 

It is not assumption.  It is knowledge coming directly from Einstein's writing.  Haven't you read the  Einstein quotes in the link I posted?   You probably have not.  You may not be interested.  If you didn't know that Einstein liked, sought and worked in solitude, you know practically nothing about his habits.  And you know little about highly intellectual work.  How could you know,  if your own work has been nothing but dealing with professional musicians and shuffling them around, musicians who do their work in ensembles and orchestras, not in solitude.  But one never hears about orchestras of physicians who work all together "playing physics".  They have meetings, but they mostly work and study in solitude.

[Steve5380]

I really like David Sinclair, and I watched his latest video "exercise, heat, cold and other stressors.."

 

 

Why I like him?   He speaks intelligently with a sharp mind. This is a reason why I also like the Mayor turned US politician Pete Buttigieg. They also look good and healthy, although Sinclair is 12 years older at 52,  but he does not look this age. Maybe Sinclair, like Buttigieg, is also "one of us"?

 

But I mostly like Sinclair because he is competent. He is no "quack", he does not bullshit... much, ha ha.  I have looked up some of the biology he speaks about, and it is genuine.   In this video he speaks about exercising, and although this is not his specialty, what he says makes sense and coincides with what the experts in this field say and what some of my experience is. 

 

What is new and interesting is is his explanation of the "adversity mimetic",  how our biology benefits from being stressed by adversity.  I don't have previous knowledge of this, but I have no reason to distrust him.  What he says has changed my previous bad idea of hot saunas and cold baths, or what I am starting to experiment, showering with alternating very hot water and cold water.  Also the benefit of hyperbaric oxygen is new to me.  I look forward to a time when hyperbaric chambers will be offered to the public inexpensively.  

 

Sinclair sure makes a lot of money with his methods and procedures.  But I have not discovered any deceptive trait in him.  And, what is important,  I don't think there is any risk of trying out what he preaches.  Especially FASTING, I have not found any risk factor in trying this,  on the contrary, all my experience has been positive.

 

And for you Singaporeans,  another reason to trust him is that he was invited and gave a conference about his research and findings at Singapore's NUS.  I am sure your excellent university does not invite just any "quack" or bullshitter!

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Edited January 20, 2022 by Steve5380

[Guest His fan]

On 1/21/2022 at 7:13 AM, Steve5380 said:

I really like David Sinclair,

 

 

Why I like him?   He speaks intelligently with a sharp mind. 

But I mostly like Sinclair because he is competent. He is no "quack", he does not bullshit... much, ha ha.  

 

I like him too and nearly fell in love with him. I listened to his video 4 years ago when he talked about longevity. You are late to knowing him. Now leave him alone with him, privately. He is mine.

[Steve5380]

On 1/20/2022 at 9:20 PM, Guest His fan said:

I like him too and nearly fell in love with him. I listened to his video 4 years ago when he talked about longevity. You are late to knowing him. Now leave him alone with him, privately. He is mine.

 

Oh I am so sorry!  I didn't know that he is yours.  

 

I have known him only for the last few months, so you definitely have priority.  And I have to congratulate you for your good choice. is it OK if I am just interested in his biology findings, nothing more private?  I leave this to you, and surely you and him will become centenarians.  If I have any question about his programs, I will ask you, since I doubt that he comes here to BW.

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Edited January 23, 2022 by Steve5380

[InBangkok]

On 1/20/2022 at 10:58 PM, Steve5380 said:

It is not assumption.  It is knowledge coming directly from Einstein's writing.  Haven't you read the  Einstein quotes in the link I posted?   You probably have not.  You may not be interested.  If you didn't know that Einstein liked, sought and worked in solitude, you know practically nothing about his habits.  And you know little about highly intellectual work.

And you clearly did not read my post. And yet again you merely double down in the hope of advancing your ASSUMPTIONS.

 

On 1/20/2022 at 10:58 PM, Steve5380 said:

How could you know,  if your own work has been nothing but dealing with professional musicians and shuffling them around, musicians who do their work in ensembles and orchestras, not in solitude.

And you do not remember earlier posts. Failing memory perhaps? I have explained I worked with orchestral musicians for a small part of my life. Even so, do you expect musicians who have to spend a great deal of time learning their parts prior to rehearsals do so other than being on their own? But then you have never been a professional musician so how could you know? You merely make up ASSUMPTIONS and attempt to make readers believe it is the truth. YOUR truth is frequently not the truth at all!

[Steve5380]

On 1/20/2022 at 10:43 PM, InBangkok said:

And you clearly did not read my post. And yet again you merely double down in the hope of advancing your ASSUMPTIONS.

 

And you do not remember earlier posts. Failing memory perhaps? I have explained I worked with orchestral musicians for a small part of my life. Even so, do you expect musicians who have to spend a great deal of time learning their parts prior to rehearsals do so other than being on their own? But then you have never been a professional musician so how could you know? You merely make up ASSUMPTIONS and attempt to make readers believe it is the truth. YOUR truth is frequently not the truth at all!

 

Look who is speaking (writing) 

 

It was you who scolded me for writing that Einstein did his genial discoveries work in solitude.  And it was me who said that people who do very intellectual work need to do most of it in solitude (on their own) and I mentioned among these the artists. But your contact with your musicians must have been in the orchestra and orchestral rehearsals,  not when they were in solitude studying and practicing their instrument.

 

YOUR truth is usually not the truth at all.  Definitely not when you call people in the videos I posted, like David Sinclair, a "quack".   I hope you do this just to scold me and not because you believe what you say,  since it should benefit YOU TOO to learn what they say and apply it to yourself.  You also are not the youngest anymore! You should live a long life to save your boyfriend the pain of grieving.

[singalion]

 

Maybe this can clarify the issue:

 

 

https://paw.princeton.edu/article/einstein-loner-or-social

 

Was Einstein really a loner? In his Alumni Day lecture “Finding Einstein in a Crowd,” history professor Michael Gordin examined the popular image of Einstein “as someone isolated, separate, cloistered, a genius sitting in an ivory tower.”

Instead, Gordin presented an Einstein who was a “fundamentally social person, integrated into a large number of personal networks and engaged with the world around him.” Gordin showed how other people have been cropped out of photographs of Einstein. And he demonstrated how Einstein’s quotes about loneliness have been taken out of context. “Almost every time Einstein says, ‘I like being alone,’ it’s in a speech or in a context at a time when he’s very much worried about politics. The more turbulent and bad politics gets, the more he appreciates the value of being alone.”

 

“If we want to value Einstein as a brilliant person, we should maybe change our perception of how brilliance comes about, rather than force him into a mold he didn’t belong to,” said Gordin.

 

 

 

Einstein loved going on sailing trips alone, but the reason was for not being distracted by any nuisance and having a chance to reflect on his "findings" and theories in silence.

 

Some philosophy Professors  have misinterpreted this as Einstein loving solitude. But is was the need of a genius to have the silence to think on his theories.

 

What is certain, Einstein, a man of brilliance and intelligence was often asked on political matters and then he escaped giving any comment, same as he was worried about political developments. But this was taken out of context as in real he was a very social person.

 

 

 

[Steve5380]

On 1/21/2022 at 12:29 AM, singalion said:

 

Maybe this can clarify the issue:

 

 

Very good.  I have clarified the issue repeatedly,  and anything may help to put some reality into the head of a perennial contradictor.  

 

To seek solitude does not mean at all that the person is shy, a loner, introverted, weird.  Even the most gregarious person will also seek solitude ( if for nothing else, to pee, poo, shower, etc.  ha ha )

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Edited January 21, 2022 by Steve5380

[singalion]

On 1/21/2022 at 10:09 PM, Steve5380 said:

To seek solitude does not mean at all that the person is shy, a loner, introverted, weird.  Even the most gregarious person will also seek solitude ( if for nothing else, to pee, poo, shower, etc.  ha ha

 

Have I anywhere said this that seeking solitude means that a person is shy, a loner, introverted, weird???

 

No!

 

[Steve5380]

On 1/21/2022 at 11:25 AM, singalion said:

 

Have I anywhere said this that seeking solitude means that a person is shy, a loner, introverted, weird???

 

No!

 

 

If so, you must agree with my statement   

[Steve5380]

Here I come with David Sinclair again!   But I won't say "I like him", since "Guest His Fan" has declared that Sinclair is his!

 

I find this video one of the best about Sinclair.  The interviewer starts by reciting Sinclair's credentials:  Impressive!  This should add much credence to what he speaks about.

 

Then, it is about his work, findings, opinions about the impact of longevity and how to bring his findings to the masses. He gives the impression that,  besides being a smart businessman intended to make a bunch of money,  he is sincere about his desire to help humanity.  And he may have a good chance of success.  If he and other biologists find ways to change old age to a state of good health and good mental functionality, followed by a quick death when the time is right,  what a service this will be to all of us!   As usual, the video is long, but worth watching it throughout

 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2022 by Steve5380

[Guest huh?]

On 1/24/2022 at 3:34 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

I find this video one of the best about Sinclair.  The interviewer starts by reciting Sinclair's credentials:  Impressive!  This should add much credence to what he speaks about.

 

He still looks very young, at his middle age (about 54yo).  Everything he said is very relevant to people around his age.  Do think his message is still relevant to your age group?

[Steve5380]

On 1/23/2022 at 6:58 PM, Guest huh? said:

He still looks very young, at his middle age (about 54yo).  Everything he said is very relevant to people around his age.  Do think his message is still relevant to your age group?

 

Still relevant at my age?  I have not heard him say anything about what range of ages his advices apply.  But he speaks of his father, who is 82 y.o. ,  and he is very impressed by how he is doing following his advices.  

 

He also predicts that in the future, 80 years will not be old, but people will live beyond 100 on average. And if he is right with his anti-aging, and I start following it rigorously...  I may start getting younger!   If each calendar year I go back 2 biological years,  by 98 my biological age will be 58, by 128 I will be back to 28 years of biological age.   I would not like to get much younger,  and I will try to stay at 28 for another 100 years or so.   

[InBangkok]

On 1/24/2022 at 9:37 AM, Steve5380 said:

He also predicts that in the future, 80 years will not be old, but people will live beyond 100 on average. And if he is right with his anti-aging, and I start following it rigorously...  I may start getting younger!   If each calendar year I go back 2 biological years,  by 98 my biological age will be 58, by 128 I will be back to 28 years of biological age.   I would not like to get much younger,  and I will try to stay at 28 for another 100 years or so.   

You hit the nail on the head. He basically talks about the future and people born today. Sorry to say he does not talk about people who today are 78 years old.

 

And I can just see young Singaporeans working hard at their jobs and perhaps also taking some daily exercise being prepared to exist on one meal a day as the 'expert' suggests.

 

The real question I guess is how many younger people today have the remotest desire to live to 120? Then, how is society as a whole going to finance that much older generation. We already know that countries like Singapore and Japan are in trouble with a birth date that is below replacement. Singapore imports a vast number of overseas workers and Japan is finally considering it.

Edited January 24, 2022 by InBangkok

[InBangkok]

On 1/24/2022 at 7:58 AM, Guest huh? said:

He still looks very young, at his middle age (about 54yo).

Not difficult when you are speaking to a camera with light from the front (as it mostly is) and a little from the sides. Not sure of your age, but well positioned lighting can easily make anyone in his mid-50s look more like his mid-30s.

[singalion]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:06 PM, InBangkok said:

You hit the nail on the head. He basically talks about the future and people born today. Sorry to say he does not talk about people who today are 78 years old.

 

And I can just see young Singaporeans working hard at their jobs and perhaps also taking some daily exercise being prepared to exist on one meal a day as the 'expert' suggests.

 

The real question I guess is how many younger people today have the remotest desire to live to 120? Then, how is society as a whole going to finance that much older generation. We already know that countries like Singapore and Japan are in trouble with a birth date that is below replacement. Singapore imports a vast number of overseas workers and Japan is finally considering it.

 

People have always looked to live "eternally", or as long as possible.

 

Life expectancy used be around 55years until around the early 20th century. Since the 1930s it increased year by year

 

 

 

Not sure if the wish to live as long as possible comes from the fear of death or to "procrastinate" thinking about death.

People take health supplements, add funny things into soups and eat chicken essence to live as long as possible.

 

A culture from the center of the east seems to have created a lot of "supplements" to make you live longer (not sure if they all really help).

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6880673/

 

But the people are getting older, it is a fact.

 

Although there are some who prefer to die earlier and don't intend to live to the "last minute".  why are there clinics that help you to die. Many countries are looking into the legal background of doctors who assist, in softer methods of sui--cide (assisted sui--cide). 

 

So, as a summary, there are some who intend to live as long as possible and others who have the opposite intention and intend to shorten their life at the final stages and not all due to potential suffering from diseases.

 

 

[Guest Natural]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:23 PM, InBangkok said:

Not difficult when you are speaking to a camera with light from the front (as it mostly is) and a little from the sides. Not sure of your age, but well positioned lighting can easily make anyone in his mid-50s look more like his mid-30s.

At least, he is natural even with the right lightings, and speaking from his own house with no make up.   Unlike some people who did thick make-up and still look old with all the right lightings and angles.

[Steve5380]

On 1/23/2022 at 11:06 PM, InBangkok said:

You hit the nail on the head. He basically talks about the future and people born today. Sorry to say he does not talk about people who today are 78 years old.

 

And I can just see young Singaporeans working hard at their jobs and perhaps also taking some daily exercise being prepared to exist on one meal a day as the 'expert' suggests.

 

The real question I guess is how many younger people today have the remotest desire to live to 120? Then, how is society as a whole going to finance that much older generation. We already know that countries like Singapore and Japan are in trouble with a birth date that is below replacement. Singapore imports a vast number of overseas workers and Japan is finally considering it.

 

When Sinclair talks about the future it is to realistically predict that the advances he sees will take time to be fully developed, and he does not say that they don't apply to older people.  This is evident by the introduction of his senior father into the conversation. 

 

Already there is something EXTRAORDINARY taking place:  the movement to redefine biological ageing as a disease!

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4471741/

 

The benefit of this is that current drugs that have anti-aging benefits will be able to be prescribed "off label" for this purpose.  For example, Sinclair brings out the benefit of the anti-diabetes drug metformin to help in the metabolism of sugar in healthy people without diabetes, and he says he is taking it.   I am tempted to do the same, but I don't want to ask doctors like my son to improperly prescribe it for me. 

 

The significance of this movement to define aging as a disease shows that anti-aging is not some rogue move of alleged "quacks" like Dr. Sinclair to become famous and rich,  but that there is a consensus forming among the community of biology scientists that there is a whole new field of medicine to explore. 

 

I might be left behind in my seniority from the largest gains of this movement,  but particularly young guys working hard and exercising and eating well in their pursuit of health could benefit tremendously.  This is why it is important that young guys like our fellow gays here KNOW about these advances and have reasons to trust them.

 

How will increased longevity affect society?  If you had watched the last video with Sinclair I posted, you would know the answer.  The health care of seniors today is very costly.  Much resources are required to keep them alive for decades with so many chronic diseases that affects them.   In contrast,  if the DISEASE old-age can be CURED and seniors live healthy until a quick decline and death comes along,  so many resources could be saved.  I have a personal experience with my late brother-in-law,  who was sufficient healthy to stay out of hospitals and live at home until shortly before reaching his 100th birthday, he suddenly passed away.  What a good way to end it all!  I wish I go the same way.  Imagine if there were no more need for old-folks homes,  retirement communities, etc. and seniors could enjoy living with grandchildren and grand-grandchildren until one day... puff!!  their souls go somewhere else.  

 

And here is the conclusion reached in the NCBI paper I quoted earlier:

 

Conclusion

We believe that aging should be seen as a disease, albeit as a disease that is a universal and multisystemic process. Our current healthcare system doesn't recognize the aging process as the underlying cause for the chronic diseases affecting the elderly. As such, the system is setup to be reactionary and therefore about 32% of total Medicare spending in the United States goes to the last 2 years of life of patients with chronic illnesses, without any significant improvement to their quality of life (Cooper, 1996; Neuberg, 2009). Our current healthcare system is untenable both from a financial and health and well-being prospective. Even minimal attenuation of the aging process by accelerating research on aging, and development of geroprotective drugs and regenerative medicines, can greatly improve the health and well-being of older individuals, and rescue our failing healthcare system.

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Edited January 24, 2022 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:21 AM, singalion said:

 

People have always looked to live "eternally", or as long as possible.

 

Not sure if the wish to live as long as possible comes from the fear of death or to "procrastinate" thinking about death.

 

 

You forgot about an important reason to live as long as possible:  HAPPINESS!

 

I am not lying when I see my present and future life as senior as one of happiness, lack of preoccupations and stress, and I have to add, a genuine interest in seeing what the future will be.

 

Watch a majority of seniors who are healthy.  What will you see?  You find that they are kind and they smile a lot. 

 

BTW... In the graph of life expectancy you posted,  from my date of birth in 1943 my expectancy should be around the 50s.   I have now exceeded this live expectancy by more than 20 years, and I am as healthy as ever.  So why shouldn't I aspire to exceed it even more... much more....?   

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Edited January 24, 2022 by Steve5380

[Guest Funny]

On 1/24/2022 at 10:37 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

Still relevant at my age?  I have not heard him say anything about what range of ages his advices apply.  But he speaks of his father, who is 82 y.o. ,  and he is very impressed by how he is doing following his advices.  

 

 

Impress?  He mentioned in his book that he sometimes felt bad using his brother and Father as experiment and his brother complained about hair dropping off as a result.  Ulitimately, of all the works he has done in his lab, he still believed in one meal a day to promote longevity

[Steve5380]

On 1/24/2022 at 8:52 PM, Guest Funny said:

Impress?  He mentioned in his book that he sometimes felt bad using his brother and Father as experiment and his brother complained about hair dropping off as a result.  Ulitimately, of all the works he has done in his lab, he still believed in one meal a day to promote longevity

 

All I heard Sinclair saying is that his senior father had experienced amazing improvements since he started with his son's treatment.  And why should he not believe in one meal a day to promote longevity?  It is a well known fact that calorie restriction, like fasting, promotes longevity.

[Guest What talking you?]

On 1/25/2022 at 11:25 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

All I heard Sinclair saying is that his senior father had experienced amazing improvements since he started with his son's treatment.  And why should he not believe in one meal a day to promote longevity?  It is a well known fact that calorie restriction, like fasting, promotes longevity.

Never count your calorie, that is what he preached.  

[Steve5380]

On 1/24/2022 at 9:30 PM, Guest What talking you? said:

Never count your calorie, that is what he preached.  

 

Are you losing some calories?

[Guest huh?]

On 1/25/2022 at 12:34 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

Are you losing some calories?

I don't count my calories.  Are you still living in the 1940s?  Is your health knowledge updated?

[InBangkok]

On 1/24/2022 at 9:11 PM, Steve5380 said:

We believe that aging should be seen as a disease

A disease? What rubbish! Ageing is a fact of life. Diseases can be cured. Ageing cannot be cured. The human being may be able to extend life by a few years every half century but that will be it. I suppose this guy believes that in the future there will be 200 year old humans roaming the earth! Heck, why leave it at 200 years. How about 500 years in a few centuries time? Quackery!

[Guest Right or not?]

On 1/25/2022 at 1:40 PM, InBangkok said:

A disease? What rubbish! Ageing is a fact of life. Diseases can be cured. Ageing cannot be cured. The human being may be able to extend life by a few years every half century but that will be it. I suppose this guy believes that in the future there will be 200 year old humans roaming the earth! Heck, why leave it at 200 years. How about 500 years in a few centuries time? Quackery!

Aging is not a diseases. You need to forgive Steve for not being vocal at  deeper level.  The deeper explanation is, every living things has a  timer, build into their Chromosome to "self-destruct" at certain point in their life, resulted in cells deterioriation,  that eventually caused diseases leading to aging and then the inevitable   That is a safer way to leave this planet.  However, if you did not eat properly, live unhealthily, the dead cells will "revive" into a zombie cell called cancer cells which is indestructible resulted in old age complications and other forms of diseases.  To kill the zombie cell, you have to pay for your life too. Nobody is a winner.

[singalion]

On 1/24/2022 at 10:17 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

You forgot about an important reason to live as long as possible:  HAPPINESS!

 

I am not lying when I see my present and future life as senior as one of happiness, lack of preoccupations and stress, and I have to add, a genuine interest in seeing what the future will be.

 

Watch a majority of seniors who are healthy.  What will you see?  You find that they are kind and they smile a lot. 

 

BTW... In the graph of life expectancy you posted,  from my date of birth in 1943 my expectancy should be around the 50s.   I have now exceeded this live expectancy by more than 20 years, and I am as healthy as ever.  So why shouldn't I aspire to exceed it even more... much more....?   

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Steve, you did not read the note to the graphic.

 

While it shows the life expectancy at year of birth, it does mean, if medical science had also stayed on the level of your year of birth.

People born in 1950 would have had a life expectancy up to 60y (refer to the note: if the pattern of mortality had staid the same throughout the life).

But it did not, medical science developed, people started living healthier (less alcohol etc, less hard manual work... )

You need to factor this also.

 

Also note with Americans they probably mean North and South Americans. surely in Central and South America life expectancy is much lower compared to the US and Canada.

You need to find a life expectancy graphic for US residents.

 

The graphic points also more to the end of 50s.

 

I posted the graphic just to show that development in the life expectancy only happened after 19th century for Europeans and 1930s for Americans.

 

The life expectancy for US in 1950 was 68.14 years. (from the statistics).

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy

 

 

 

https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by singalion

[Steve5380]

On 1/24/2022 at 11:40 PM, InBangkok said:

A disease? What rubbish! Ageing is a fact of life. Diseases can be cured. Ageing cannot be cured. The human being may be able to extend life by a few years every half century but that will be it. I suppose this guy believes that in the future there will be 200 year old humans roaming the earth! Heck, why leave it at 200 years. How about 500 years in a few centuries time? Quackery!

 

You have the right to think differently from what the Medical Professionals,  that is,  mostly intelligent, expert, knowledgeable, competent biology scientists and medical doctors are trying to accomplish today.  To declare old age a disease, yes! 

 

The idea behind it is that a disease does not have to be completely curable, but it is sufficient that it is TREATABLE, meaning that its effects can be reduced and the patient may improve or remain stable for some time, like in chronic diseases and those who can go into remission.  Examples are HIV (no cure), cancer (seldom completely cured), diabetes type 1 (no cure), and,  what you made so much noise about,  dementia, Alzheimer's.  

 

Because Alzheimer's is a condition people are predisposed and may 'naturally' acquire it, it should not be considered a disease?   Think again!

 

 

 

On 1/25/2022 at 12:04 AM, Guest Right or not? said:

 

Aging is not a diseases. You need to forgive Steve for not being vocal at  deeper level.  

 

 

You are asking the impossible.  @InBangkok never forgives me for anything.  It is something incurable in him.  A disease?  Perhaps not, if this is his "nature".  

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Edited January 25, 2022 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

On 1/25/2022 at 1:02 AM, singalion said:

 

Steve, you did not read the note to the graphic.

 

 

I did not need to read anything.

 

I know perfectly well that life EXPECTANCY is what is to be expected for a person at birth,  given that the mortality rates remain the same throughout the life of the person.

 

I simply take advantage in the low value when I was born to feel good about my age today.  In fact,  I have exceeded the life expectancy in the US today, .   In fact, the predictions are that the life expectancy of my grandchildren "at death" will be close to 100 years!   Knowing how smart they are, they will not reject the findings of the longevity experts and they probably will live long beyond the 100.    ( I just hope that this planet will be livable by then... ) 

 

It is very possible that the life expectancy of a person is closer to the expectancy at death than the expectancy at birth, if the person lives a healthy life and does not need the advancing medical care, except perhaps its new vaccines, like today the covid vaccine.  Most advances in the treatment of chronic diseases I don't take advantage of, since I don't have them.

[Steve5380]

On 1/24/2022 at 11:30 PM, Guest huh? said:

 

I don't count my calories.  Are you still living in the 1940s?  Is your health knowledge updated?

 

 

In 1940s I was a baby, a toddler, and I didn't count how much calories I sucked out of my mom's boobs.  And since then I have never counted my calories.  Throughout my life I consider this calorie counting dumb.  It assumes that the human body is something like a car or a battery with perfect energy balance, where energy stored = energy in - energy consumed.  It is not.  

 

This is because the body releases, does away with energies and liquids that come in but it does not want to store.  Typical example:  we don't accumulate liquids because we pee out the excess of liquid our body does not want.  Similarly, our body, within limits poops out the "calories" that come in and it does not want. We surely have a regulating mechanism that determines how much of the calories we eat get used,  and the rest... joins the shit! 

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Edited January 25, 2022 by Steve5380

[Guest Huh?]

On 1/25/2022 at 10:58 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

This is because the body releases, does away with energies and liquids that come in but it does not want to store. 

Wrong! Our body will try to make full use of calories be it in excess. Every single fibers in your body needs calories to function and every word you typed with finger, using your brain, facial expression and palpitation involved throughout that few minutes burn a fare amount of calories you will never get enough of. Before you shit, make sure you have enough calories to do the job. 

[singalion]

On 1/25/2022 at 11:30 PM, Guest Huh? said:

Wrong! Our body will try to make full use of calories be it in excess. Every single fibers in your body needs calories to function and every word you typed with finger, using your brain, facial expression and palpitation involved throughout that few minutes burn a fare amount of calories you will never get enough of. Before you shit, make sure you have enough calories to do the job. 

 

Steve doesn't need to shit, he does intermittent fasting! 

 

😂

[Steve5380]

On 1/25/2022 at 9:30 AM, Guest Huh? said:

Wrong! Our body will try to make full use of calories be it in excess. Every single fibers in your body needs calories to function and every word you typed with finger, using your brain, facial expression and palpitation involved throughout that few minutes burn a fare amount of calories you will never get enough of. Before you shit, make sure you have enough calories to do the job. 

 

Not wrong at all!  Our body will not try to make full use of calories coming in.  Otherwise we would have horrible fluctuations in weight. 

 

A car has a natural regulator of the maximum energy coming in:  this is when the tank is full and the filling nozzle shuts off. A battery charger like the car alternator will limit the charge when the battery is fully charged at 12.6 volt.  

But our body does not have a meter, a gauge that tells us when it is full.  We can happily keep going... We don't know how much to eat precisely, to give the body exactly what it needs.  We probably give it always a little more to be satisfied.  So it HAS to release the excess somewhere, under the control of its internal regulating mechanism.  Otherwise we would accumulate calories until we blow up like a garbage bag filled too much.  YUCK!

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Edited January 25, 2022 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

On 1/25/2022 at 9:45 AM, singalion said:

 

Steve doesn't need to shit, he does intermittent fasting! 

 

😂

 

But evidently, you and @InBangkok need to shit.  Shit on everything I write! 

 

 

On 1/25/2022 at 9:42 AM, singalion said:

 

Sure, I totally forgot: You don't err at BW or in general. 

 

Even if what you write contradicts your own posts or certain explanatory notes below graphics. 

 

How could I possibly forget this???

 

Just wonder why the institution that made the graphic placed that explanatory note when only the personal definition of life expectancy of Steve counts. How dare they?

 

 

Your cynicism shows like a flashing red light. 😝

 

If you look back at the explanatory note on the graph of life expectancy over the years you posted, you will find that it agrees perfectly with the way I defined it.   And yes,  some times I contradict myself.  Especially when you compare my old post with new ones.  This happens because I keep learning.

 

How beautiful it is to witness how singalion and InBangkok think of themselves as perfect,  and therefore come so easily after my imperfections!