Ukraine invasion by Russia Discussion and it's impact on Singapore and Asia? (compiled)

[singalion]

1 hour ago, Guest Neutral? said:

Singapore has also allowed China military ship to dock it's port.

 

And? I bet a Chinese military ship also made a courtesy visit in the US. This is not uncommon.

 

 

And here found it:

Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy Ship Visits Pearl Harbor

PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii (NNS) -- China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) midshipmen training vessel Zheng He (Type 679, Hull 81) arrived at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam Oct. 12 and is expected to stay until Oct. 16.

As part of a planned series of military-to-military exchanges between the two nations, Zheng He will be hosted by the guided-missile cruiser USS Chosin (CG 65).

 

 

However, Singapore permits US ships to use military facilities for military purposes at the Sembawang PSA port facilites such as repairs, permanent docking etc etc. Singapore military is trained in the US or US military trains on equipment in Singapore.

 

You can check here how deep the cooperation is:

 

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-singapore/

 

Nothing such happens between Singapore and China!

 

Don't forget, not to arouse any suspicion or outrage by other countries, certain arrangements may be even secret.

What I see is, that Singapore has taken a side... There may be other arrangements, the public is not aware of.

 

 

[sgmaven]

Everyone knows that Singapore doesn't really want to "offend" any big powers, like China or India. Yet, looking at Defence Pacts, like the Five Power Defence Arrangements, you know where Singapore stands...

[singalion]

Would anyone had predicted that we come to 250 days of war in Ukraine???

 

Russia-Ukraine war at a glance: what we know on day 250 of the invasion

Kremlin pulls out of grain deal after drone attack on Russia’s Black Sea flagship vessel in Crimea; UN and US call on Moscow to reverse its decision

 

 

Samantha Lock

 

Mon 31 Oct 2022 00.02 GMTLast modified on Mon 31 Oct 2022 00.03 GMT

 

• Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy claimed his forces repelled a “fierce offensive” by Russian troops in the eastern Donetsk region. “Today they stopped the fierce offensive actions of the enemy,” Zelenskiy said in his Sunday night address. “The Russian attack was repelled.” The fiercest fighting in Donetsk region has been around the towns of Bakhmut and Avdiivka.

• Russia’s Black Sea flagship vessel, the Admiral Makarov, was damaged and possibly disabled during an audacious Ukrainian drone attack over the weekend on the Crimean port of Sevastopol, according to an examination of video footage. Open-source investigators said the frigate was one of three Russian ships to have been hit on Saturday. A swarm of drones struck Russia’s navy at 4.20am. Aides to Zelenskiy hinted the country was behind the well-orchestrated raid, though his government has not claimed responsibility.

 

• In the wake of the Sevastopol attack the Kremlin said it was pulling out of a UN-brokered grain deal that allows civilian ships to export grain and fertiliser from Black Sea ports. Russia claimed it could not “guarantee safety of civilian ships” travelling under the pact after the attack on its Black Sea fleet. Zelenskiy, however, said Moscow was looking for a pretext to end the initiative. It had been “deliberately aggravating” the food crisis since September, he said in a video address.

• The international community condemned Russia’s decision to suspend the UN-brokered Black Sea grain initiative. US president Joe Biden described the move as “purely outrageous” while US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, said Russia was weaponising food. The European Union called on Russia to reverse its decision. “Russia’s decision to suspend participation in the Black Sea deal puts at risk the main export route of much-needed grain and fertilisers to address the global food crisis caused by its war against Ukraine,” EU foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, said.

• Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, expressed “hope” that Joe Biden will recall the 1962 Cuban missile crisis when dealing with the war in Ukraine. In an interview for a Russian state television documentary on Sunday, Lavrov said there were “similarities” between the ongoing war in Ukraine and the 1962 confrontation. “I hope that in today’s situation, President Joe Biden will have more opportunities to understand who gives orders and how,” Lavrov said. “The difference is that in the distant 1962, Khrushchev and Kennedy found the strength to show responsibility and wisdom, and now we do not see such readiness on the part of Washington and its satellites,” he added.

• The UN secretary general, António Guterres, said he was “deeply concerned” by Russia’s suspension of the deal and delayed his departure to attend the Arab League summit in Algiers for a day to try to revive it. Russia requested a meeting on Monday of the UN’s security council to discuss the issue. Guterres was engaged in “intense contacts” to get the agreement back and spoke to the EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell.

• The United Nations, Turkey and Ukraine said they will press ahead to implement a Black Sea grain deal with a transit plan in place for 16 ships on Monday, despite Russia suspending its participation in the pact. The UN, Nato, the EU and the US have all urged Russia to reverse its decision to pull out of the deal. In a statement, the Joint Coordination Centre (JCC) in Istanbul, where Russian, Ukrainian and Turkish and UN personnel are working, said the three delegations had also agreed for inspections to be provided on Monday to 40 outbound vessels.

• Kyiv’s infrastructure ministry said on Sunday that 218 vessels were now “effectively blocked” in its ports – 22 loaded and stuck at ports, 95 loaded and departed from ports, and 101 awaiting inspections.

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by singalion

[Steve5380]

21 hours ago, Guest Neutral? said:

Singapore has also allowed China military ship to dock it's port.

 

Singapore in the major world conflicts is irrelevant.  Like Switzerland, it is allied with the West but it tries to get involved as little as possible, which is wise. 

[Guest Hiao Chee 冰冰]

I will willingly let Russian soldiers "gan" my mouth and tight hole ....

[Steve5380]

On 10/31/2022 at 1:56 AM, sgmaven said:

Everyone knows that Singapore doesn't really want to "offend" any big powers, like China or India. Yet, looking at Defence Pacts, like the Five Power Defence Arrangements, you know where Singapore stands...

 

Shouldn't the American colonies, now states, that belonged to the British Empire for nearly 100 years,  also participate in the Five Power Defense Arrangements?

[sgmaven]

4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Shouldn't the American colonies, now states, that belonged to the British Empire for nearly 100 years,  also participate in the Five Power Defense Arrangements?

Now, you are being nonsensical here. The US does not belong to the Commonwealth, and even if it did, being in the Commonwealth alone, doesn't make a country necessarily bound to join this defence pact. Crikey! Brunei is a Commonwealth country, and is around that region, but is not even a part of it!

[Steve5380]

25 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

Now, you are being nonsensical here. The US does not belong to the Commonwealth, and even if it did, being in the Commonwealth alone, doesn't make a country necessarily bound to join this defence pact. Crikey! Brunei is a Commonwealth country, and is around that region, but is not even a part of it!

 

Well... I was not serious.  And in any case,  the US does not need to belong to a "Five Power Defense",  because it is already a "Big One Power Defense".  And it has alliances with several S.E. Asian countries. 

[Guest Factual unbiased]

50 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Well... I was not serious.  And in any case,  the US does not need to belong to a "Five Power Defense",  because it is already a "Big One Power Defense".  And it has alliances with several S.E. Asian countries. 

In case u r not well updated which is often the case. China is now the world's best friend and is  growing stronger, much to America's dismay .

[singalion]

 

Why has the Chinese government’s public image worsened?

Beijing’s global public image has deteriorated for several reasons. In some countries, there remains a reservoir of mistrust of Beijing over its cover-up of the initial COVID-19 outbreak. Also, some of China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) projects have generated negative press, as countries amassed higher-than-expected debt. Beijing’s rising authoritarianism at home, particularly its strangling of Hong Kong’s freedoms and its crackdown in Xinjiang, has soured many foreign publics.

 

In recent years, China has adopted an increasingly coercive, belligerent style of diplomacy, called wolf warrior diplomacy, that has alienated countries in its neighborhood and as far away as Lithuania, which Beijing bullied for allowing Taiwan to open a representative office in its capital city of Vilnius. But rather than seeing results in its favor, Beijing’s increasingly aggressive approach has backfired in many countries. In the case of Lithuania, the country refused to stand down and European countries rallied behind it.

Where has Beijing’s image declined? 

China’s public image remains poorest in developed democracies in Asia, such as Japan and South Korea, North America, and Western Europe. Not only have publics in these countries developed intensely negative views of China, but many of their governments are shutting down important Chinese soft power initiatives, such as Confucius Institutes, which offer Chinese language and culture programs at colleges and universities around the world.

 

Its image has taken less of a hit in other parts of Asia and in Africa. Some Asian countries with close historic ties to China, such as Singapore, Thailand, and Pakistan, have responded more favorably to Chinese public diplomacy, and they’ve typically not faced the more coercive diplomacy. In some African countries, Beijing has funded needed infrastructure projects and hired local workers, winning goodwill that it hasn’t totally squandered.

 

The BRI is stalling in places beyond Europe as well, partly because of China’s wolf warrior diplomacy and fears that the BRI is linked to corruption and debt.

 

 

 

How popular is China in Africa? New survey sheds light on what ordinary people think

In 2016 the pan-African research institute Afrobarometer published its first study on what Africans think of their governments’ engagement with China.

 

The study found that 63% of citizens surveyed from 36 countries generally had positive feelings towards China’s assistance. Some things that stood out were China’s infrastructure, development, and investment projects in Africa. On the flip side, perceptions of the quality of Chinese products tarnished the country’s image.

 

In 2019/20, Afrobarometer conducted another wave of surveys. Data from 18 countries – gathered face-to-face from a randomly selected sample of people in the language of the respondent’s choice – was collected before the COVID-19 pandemic. The survey questions covered how Africans perceive Chinese loans, debt repayments, and Africa’s reliance on China for its development.

 

Preliminary findings show that the majority of Africans still prefer the US over China as a development model, that China’s influence is still largely considered as positive for Africa, and that Africans who are aware of Chinese loans feel that their countries have borrowed too much.

 

US vs China

The surveys found that Africans still prefer the American development model over the Chinese one. The Chinese development model hinges on state-led policy planning while the American model emphasises the importance of the free market.

 

 

[singalion]

Russia-Ukraine war at a glance: what we know on day 254 of the invasion

 

• The UN nuclear watchdog said it had found no sign of undeclared nuclear activity at three sites in Ukraine that it inspected at Kyiv’s request, in response to Russian allegations that work was being done on a “dirty bomb”. “Our technical and scientific evaluation of the results we have so far did not show any sign of undeclared nuclear activities and materials at these three locations,” the International Atomic Energy Agency said in a statement, adding that environmental samples taken would be analysed.

• In southern Ukraine, a Russian-installed occupation official said Moscow was likely to pull its troops from the west bank of the Dnieper River, signalling a huge retreat that, if confirmed, would be a major turning point in the war. “Most likely our units, our soldiers, will leave for the left [eastern] bank,” said Kirill Stremousov, the Russian-installed deputy civilian administrator of the Kherson region, in an interview with Solovyov Live, a pro-Kremlin online media outlet.

• Ukraine said it was wary that Moscow could be setting a trap by feigning a pull-out from the Kherson region and maintained its forces were still fighting in the area. Natalia Humeniuk, a spokesperson for Ukraine’s southern military command, said it could be a Russian trap. “This could be a manifestation of a particular provocation, in order to create the impression that the settlements are abandoned, that it is safe to enter them, while they are preparing for street battles,” she said in televised comments. “We continue fighting, also in the Kherson direction, despite the fact that the enemy is trying to convince us that they are leaving the settlements and creating the effect of a total evacuation.”

• US secretary of defence, Lloyd Austin, said he believes that Ukrainian forces are able to retake Kherson, calling their work “methodical” and “effective”.

[sgmaven]

6 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Well... I was not serious.  And in any case,  the US does not need to belong to a "Five Power Defense",  because it is already a "Big One Power Defense".  And it has alliances with several S.E. Asian countries. 

I guessed as much... Singapore has a defence pact with the US, as do many in SE Asia, as you have noted. In fact most of our fighter pilots go to the States to do a lot of their training.

[Steve5380]

10 hours ago, Guest Factual unbiased said:

In case u r not well updated which is often the case. China is now the world's best friend and is  growing stronger, much to America's dismay .

 

I am not well updated from yesterday since I haven't read today's news  yet. (it is early morning here).

 

China may be "the world's best friend",  but it is also the world's worse polluter, twice as much as the US.  Number 3 is India.  Also it is low on human rights, personal freedoms,  high in racial conflicts while US is improving in this respect.  And it is threatening to invade a small sovereign country,  which the US is not.

 

When are you going to take your unbiased facts with you to China?

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Edited November 4, 2022 by Steve5380

[Guest Wisdom]

Zelenskky ought to continue requesting more from America, including trillions of dollars and weaponry (to sell in the black market). Since there is little chance of victory in this conflict, it would be best to amass large sums of American money and distribute them to the Ukrainian people before retiring to a comfortable life elsewhere.

[singalion]

General Assembly adopts resolution on Russian reparations for Ukraine

14 November 2022 Peace and Security

The UN General Assembly on Monday adopted a resolution that calls for Russia to pay war reparations to Ukraine, as ambassadors met to resume their emergency special session devoted to the conflict. 

 

 

Nearly 50 nations co-sponsored the resolution on establishing an international mechanism for compensation for damage, loss and injury, as well as a register to document evidence and claims. 

 

The General Assembly is the UN’s most representative body, comprising all 193 Member States. 

 

Ninety-four countries voted in favour of the resolution, and 14 against, while 73 abstained. 

 

 

The General Assembly emergency special session began on 28 February, or just days after the start of the war in Ukraine. 

 

This marks only the 11th time such a meeting has been held since 1950, in line with a resolution widely known as ‘Uniting for Peace’.  

 

Resolution 377A(V) gives the General Assembly power to take up matters of international peace and security when the Security Council is unable to act due to unanimity among its five permanent members – China, France, the United Kingdom, the United States and Russia – who have the power of veto. 

 

The current special session was convened after the Council voted in favour of the General Assembly meeting following Russia’s veto of a resolution that would have deplored the assault on Ukraine.  

 

 

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/11/1130587

[Guest Real Superpower is talking]

You guys should have seen Joe Biden's expression; he is absolutely stunned and "guilt struck" as a result of President Xi's lecturing him and the America diplomats at G20.

[Guest 50c]

Just now, Guest Real Superpower is talking said:

You guys should have seen Joe Biden's expression; he is absolutely stunned and "guilt struck" as a result of President Xi's lecturing him and the America diplomats at G20.

what planet are you living on? 

[singalion]

21 minutes ago, Guest 50c said:

what planet are you living on? 

 

I think the planet he lives in is called Delusia

[singalion]

MSN just reported on Nostradamus predictions for 2022

 

 

That one was interesting:

 

Death of a dictator

According to some prophecy interpreters, Nostradamus predicted the death of a dictator. They think he was referring to North Korea's Kim-Jong Un.

Or perhaps Putin?

Or perhaps we should not take 'demise' too literally and simply point to Vladimir Putin's losses in Ukraine. Will he still be president of Russia by the end of 2022?

 

 

[singalion]

G20 Members Condemn Russia's War in Ukraine -Draft Declaration

Reuters

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Nov. 15, 2022

 

NUSA DUA, Indonesia (Reuters) -A draft declaration by leaders of the Group of 20 major economies, seen by Reuters on Tuesday, said most members condemned Russia's war in Ukraine and stressed it was exacerbating weaknesses in the global economy.

 

The G20 members also voiced deep concern over the risks to global food security posed by escalating tensions, and emphasised the need for the independence of central banks to ensure they keep up efforts to curb soaring inflation, according to the draft, which was confirmed by a European diplomat.

 

Referring to the "national positions" of G20 members, the draft declaration said they deplored "in the strongest terms the aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine" and demanded "its complete and unconditional withdrawal from the territory of Ukraine".

 

"Most members strongly condemned the war in Ukraine and stressed it is causing immense human suffering and exacerbating existing fragilities in the global economy," it said, adding: "There were other views and different assessments of the situation and sanctions".

 

 

 

[Guest Oh Dear! Oh Dear!!!]

Oh no!!! Poland was attacked by a missile, killing two Polish.   According to source, it wasn't from Russia. Who could it be then?  May be Ukraine is desperate to drag NATO into the war and....did the unthinkable to flame Putin?  So much mystery in the West.  

[sgmaven]

3 hours ago, Guest Oh Dear! Oh Dear!!! said:

Oh no!!! Poland was attacked by a missile, killing two Polish.   According to source, it wasn't from Russia. Who could it be then?  May be Ukraine is desperate to drag NATO into the war and....did the unthinkable to flame Putin?  So much mystery in the West.  

Someone here likes to stir shit! Go listen to what Biden said, and you will realise that there could be a legitimate reason for what happened.

[Steve5380]

8 hours ago, sgmaven said:

Someone here likes to stir shit! Go listen to what Biden said, and you will realise that there could be a legitimate reason for what happened.

 

In any case, the acceptance of NATO that the missile was not Russian shows that this block is not war-mongering, more interested than ever to avoid an escalation of hostilities.   Even if it was Russian, it it smart to ignore this fact and not have to dwell over how to reciprocate the aggression. 

[Guest Oh Dear! Oh Dear!!!]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

In any case, the acceptance of NATO that the missile was not Russian shows that this block is not war-mongering, more interested than ever to avoid an escalation of hostilities.   Even if it was Russian, it it smart to ignore this fact and not have to dwell over how to reciprocate the aggression. 

Tell that to every member of the western media. When word spread that two missiles had happily landed in Poland, every western media outlet flocked to the scene calling for revenge on Russia. Some "experts" even made absurd analyses, claiming that the missiles did, in fact, cruise in from Russia. The Western media's veryuglyness, are  portrayal of humanity's worst traits which perfectly complemented the ongoing war. As a result, I put more faith in Putin's comments than anyone else, and Zelenskky is the one you should really applaud for his expertise in lying.  Gosh!!  There is no reason for you not to love Putin for his honesty, time and time again. 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Oh Dear! Oh Dear!!! said:

 

There is no reason for you not to love Putin for his honesty, time and time again. 

 

 

Where... where is Putin's honesty???   Honesty is in the NATO alliance that as evidence became available, did not hesitate in accepting that the missile was not Russian.

 

Oh Dear! Oh Dear!   What happened to your intelligence??  You don't understand how the very logical initial reaction was to assume that a Russian missile went too far by mistake...  as Russia fired like 100 missiles into Ukraine that day ???  And how can you imagine that Ukraine would attack Poland with a missile?   Oh oh... you speculated that it was a snide Ukrainian attack to Poland so that Russia gets falsely blamed for it and get even more demonized? 

 

Maybe you think too much.  It is better that you think less,  but correctly.

[Guest History Time]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Where... where is Putin's honesty???   Honesty is in the NATO alliance that as evidence became available, did not hesitate in accepting that the missile was not Russian.

 

Oh Dear! Oh Dear!   What happened to your intelligence??   Oh oh... you speculated that it was a snide Ukrainian attack to Poland so that Russia gets falsely blamed for it and get even more demonized? 

 

Maybe you think too much.  It is better that you think less,  but correctly.

Once again.  You need to be given a lecture on history.  Just like you needed a basic ingredients lessons to fully understand what cake is made of.... *sigh*

 

You see.  Point 1:  Poland and Ukraine aint' good friend, at least not shown on the surface level.  Poland used to have a big territory inside Ukraine, but for some reason...it became Ukrain's territory.  Point 2:  With the House of Representative fell into the hands of Republican, Zelenskky is fully aware that it will not get unlimited supported from America.   Point 3:  Ukraine is getting colder by the day, below zero degree soon and its arm forces are losing steam.    Pointer 4:  Certain armed ukraine personnel refused to allow any peace talk with Russia  Point 5:   Zelenskky has the habit of dragging the entire EU into his war and will not hestitate to create trick.   

 

Now that the above stage is set.  Firing a  missle into Poland territory seems like a perfect strategy.   Never heard of borrowing your enemy's sword to fight another enemy and then watch without incurring further expenses?

[sgmaven]

1 hour ago, Guest History Time said:

Once again.  You need to be given a lecture on history.  Just like you needed a basic ingredients lessons to fully understand what cake is made of.... *sigh*

 

You see.  Point 1:  Poland and Ukraine aint' good friend, at least not shown on the surface level.  Poland used to have a big territory inside Ukraine, but for some reason...it became Ukrain's territory.  Point 2:  With the House of Representative fell into the hands of Republican, Zelenskky is fully aware that it will not get unlimited supported from America.   Point 3:  Ukraine is getting colder by the day, below zero degree soon and its arm forces are losing steam.    Pointer 4:  Certain armed ukraine personnel refused to allow any peace talk with Russia  Point 5:   Zelenskky has the habit of dragging the entire EU into his war and will not hestitate to create trick.   

 

Now that the above stage is set.  Firing a  missle into Poland territory seems like a perfect strategy.   Never heard of borrowing your enemy's sword to fight another enemy and then watch without incurring further expenses?

Point 1: That means that Germany is not a good friend of Poland, since much of modern Poland was part of the German Empire.

Point 2: While the control of the US Congress has gone to the GOP, their majority is razor slim. Don't expect major changes in positions, since there are many House Republicans who still support for the Ukraine.

Point 3: Yes, winter is coming. But a cold winter hits both Ukrainian and Russian troops. Who is better fed and dressed with warm clothing? We all know that Russian troops have had to buy their own bullet-proof vests, etc.

Point 4: The majority of the Ukrainian population, not just the military, want the war with Russia to continue, until Russia is totally removed from the Ukraine's sovereign soil. Gallup did a poll amongst Ukrainians in September, and 70% of respondents wanted Ukraine to keep fighting the war, until it wins it.

Point 5: If you were a leader of a country, that has been attacked by a much bigger power, wouldn't you want to reach out to your allies to try to persuade them to join the war on your side? As to whether it was Zelensky who ordered missiles to be fired into Poland, I seriously doubt that. Please substantiate your statements that Zelensky is behind this "trick" that will "drag the EU into war".

[Guest History Time]

1 hour ago, sgmaven said:

Point 1: That means that Germany is not a good friend of Poland

Didn't you realise how happy Poland was when German's Northstream pipelines were destroyed?  Poland ex-foreign minister came out to congratulate America for doing a clean job.  Two countries very friendly huh. 

 

1 hour ago, sgmaven said:

Point 2: While the control of the US Congress has gone to the GOP, their majority is razor slim.

 

At least the newly appointed house speaker don't quite agree with you.  Supporting Ukraine blindly and limiting support are two different agenda on Republican card. 

 

1 hour ago, sgmaven said:

Point 3: Yes, winter is coming. But a cold winter hits both Ukrainian and Russian troops. Who is better fed and dressed with warm clothing?

Ukraine major infrastructures have been destroyed, no electricity, no water supply in the zero temperature weather. Not to mention food shortages.  Do you have better suggestion to win the war in those conditions?

1 hour ago, sgmaven said:

Gallup did a poll amongst Ukrainians in September, and 70% of respondents wanted Ukraine to keep fighting the war, until it wins it.

 

I fought for Ukraine under the comfort of my luxurious arm chair, next to a toasty fireplace, drinking bear while listening to soothing music.  Fight, Ukraine, fight and die like a hero!!!   My vote has probably counted into the 70% poll and I felt very fulfilling. 

1 hour ago, sgmaven said:

Point 5: If you were a leader of a country, that has been attacked by a much bigger power, wouldn't you want to reach out to your allies to try to persuade them to join the war on your side? 

There is no real friend in the world, allies are by definiton a grouping of all the same color into one basket but failed to admit the different shades, tones and tints of those same color, so as not to appear too domineering towards America.   I am not so color blind like you. 

1 hour ago, sgmaven said:

 

Point 5:Please substantiate your statements that Zelensky is behind this "trick" that will "drag the EU into war".

Zelenskky is a professional actor, who once made a living out of it. 

 

Steve5380 is probably nodding and sucking his thumb behind the scene as I wrote.  

 

 

[sgmaven]

2 hours ago, Guest History Time said:

Didn't you realise how happy Poland was when German's Northstream pipelines were destroyed?  Poland ex-foreign minister came out to congratulate America for doing a clean job.  Two countries very friendly huh.

You can continue to shit-stir and come up with more conspiracy theories. Unfortunately, none of your examples are convincing at all.

 

2 hours ago, Guest History Time said:

At least the newly appointed house speaker don't quite agree with you.  Supporting Ukraine blindly and limiting support are two different agenda on Republican card.

Kevin McCarthy has only been nominated to be Speaker of the House. He has not been officially voted in. Many members of the Freedom Caucus of the GOP oppose the nomination. So let's just see how "successful" he will be.

 

2 hours ago, Guest History Time said:

Ukraine major infrastructures have been destroyed, no electricity, no water supply in the zero temperature weather. Not to mention food shortages.  Do you have better suggestion to win the war in those conditions?

I fought for Ukraine under the comfort of my luxurious arm chair, next to a toasty fireplace, drinking bear while listening to soothing music.  Fight, Ukraine, fight and die like a hero!!!   My vote has probably counted into the 70% poll and I felt very fulfilling.

Despite failing infrastructure due to Russian attacks, the Ukrainians are solidly behind fighting Russia. I didn't know that you were in Ukraine to be polled by Gallup... Since the 70% poll was done amongst Ukrainians in Ukraine. If you are in the Ukraine, why are you in the comfort of your "luxurious arm chair, next to a toasty fireplace" instead of fighting off the Russians? Unless of course you are a traitor!

 

2 hours ago, Guest History Time said:

There is no real friend in the world, allies are by definiton a grouping of all the same color into one basket but failed to admit the different shades, tones and tints of those same color, so as not to appear too domineering towards America.   I am not so color blind like you. 

Zelenskky is a professional actor, who once made a living out of it.

Of course I know that there are no countries who will stand by each other without conditions. However, whether Zelensky used to be a professional actor before his tenure is besides the point. Few expected him to be able to rise to the occasion, but he did, and he is doing very well, with the support of most of the Ukrainians!

 

As for Zelensky purposefully directing rockets into Polish territory to drag the EU and NATO into war, stop your conspiracy theories and shit-stirring. There is absolutely no proof of it, and you know it.

[Why?]

1 hour ago, sgmaven said:

the Ukrainians are solidly behind fighting Russia. I didn't know that you were in Ukraine to be polled by Gallup... Since the 70% poll was done amongst Ukrainians in Ukraine. If you are in the Ukraine, why are you in the comfort of your "luxurious arm chair, next to a toasty fireplace" instead

I've never heard of any frogs on a heating pan requesting a higher heat setting. Are you certain that the poll is accurate?  Nowadays, western medias can say anything they wanted to fit into their desired narrative.  We should appeal to logic instead. 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Why? said:

I've never heard of any frogs on a heating pan requesting a higher heat setting. Are you certain that the poll is accurate?  Nowadays, western medias can say anything they wanted to fit into their desired narrative.  We should appeal to logic instead. 

 

Western and eastern medias are usually biased.  But this is different from writing falsities.  Gallup would not risk its reputation by inventing a statistics of only relative relevance.  Please use some logic.

[Guest U have no clue]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

Gallup would not risk its reputation by inventing a statistics of only relative relevance.  Please use some logic.

A logical person will often consult a 2nd or more 3rd party opinions before coming to a conclusion.  It is risky to rely on only one source of outlet to generalise an entire situation. Not to mention Gallup is an american company run by emotional employees.  

[sgmaven]

5 hours ago, Why? said:

I've never heard of any frogs on a heating pan requesting a higher heat setting. Are you certain that the poll is accurate?  Nowadays, western medias can say anything they wanted to fit into their desired narrative.  We should appeal to logic instead. 

Go click the link I supplied, which is the report by Gallup. Not me making things up, or some other media outlet trying to make up facts. Gallup is quite reputable. You can even take a look at their methodology, etc., which they make public.

Edited November 17, 2022 by sgmaven

[sgmaven]

1 hour ago, Guest U have no clue said:

A logical person will often consult a 2nd or more 3rd party opinions before coming to a conclusion.  It is risky to rely on only one source of outlet to generalise an entire situation. Not to mention Gallup is an american company run by emotional employees.  

If you don't trust any polling, then you don't need to look at any form of consumer research too, or focus group studies. Anyway, you can see in the news how Ukrainians welcome the Ukrainian troops back into once-Russian-occupied towns and villages. I guess you will say that all that is done for show? If that is the case, I think you should consider moving to Russia...

[singalion]

5 hours ago, Why? said:

I've never heard of any frogs on a heating pan requesting a higher heat setting. Are you certain that the poll is accurate?  Nowadays, western medias can say anything they wanted to fit into their desired narrative.  We should appeal to logic instead. 

 

Always wonder how many member accounts the same persons hold here at BW. 

 

The language sounds so familiar to another member account... 

 

😂

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest U have no clue said:

A logical person will often consult a 2nd or more 3rd party opinions before coming to a conclusion.  It is risky to rely on only one source of outlet to generalise an entire situation. Not to mention Gallup is an american company run by emotional employees.  

 

Last century, the top logical persons in the world didn't consult 2nd, 3rd party's opinions.  The studied Albert Einstein's paper about the theory of special relativity.  A single source,  and what a source !!!

[sgmaven]

8 hours ago, Why? said:

I've never heard of any frogs on a heating pan requesting a higher heat setting. Are you certain that the poll is accurate?  Nowadays, western medias can say anything they wanted to fit into their desired narrative.  We should appeal to logic instead. 

Says he who mooted the idea of all gays in Singapore moving to Sentosa, and becoming an independent, sovereign nation. It seems you are so deluded that you don't know what reality is...

[Steve5380]

21 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

Says he who mooted the idea of all gays in Singapore moving to Sentosa, and becoming an independent, sovereign nation. It seems you are so deluded that you don't know what reality is...

 

This is the important question for the member @Why? :  Why?

[Guest Orange is not Apple]

9 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Last century, the top logical persons in the world didn't consult 2nd, 3rd party's opinions.  The studied Albert Einstein's paper about the theory of special relativity.  A single source,  and what a source !!!

Albert Einstein studied, comprehended, and explored in his own time. His conclusion was the result of a lifetime's worth of work. Even so, there is still room for debate regarding his theory. Gallup is a corporate organization, and you can't disregard the possibility that a company may act contrary to its original goal when the circumstances called for it.

[Guest The Gall]

 

9 hours ago, sgmaven said:

Go  Gallup is quite reputable. 

Reputation is a moving object.   I don't even trust judges, much less the business world. I frequently pay attention to the court of public opinion, not through polls, but rather to what people say and feel without being under any pressure to speak lies. I also know that, in order to get the response they desired, politicians and nations have supported specific survey firms and written questions that point towards their favored direction.

 

 

[Steve5380]

43 minutes ago, Guest Orange is not Apple said:

Albert Einstein studied, comprehended, and explored in his own time. His conclusion was the result of a lifetime's worth of work. Even so, there is still room for debate regarding his theory. Gallup is a corporate organization, and you can't disregard the possibility that a company may act contrary to its original goal when the circumstances called for it.

 

I am sorry that I have to contradict you.  You are mixing apples and oranges.  Einstein published his limited theory of relativity plus other revolutionary papers at the age of 26 (!!!).  And he lived for 76 years.  So his theory was the result of less than ONE THIRD of his lifetime.  And his theory DOES NOT leave room for debate,  at least honest debate.

[sgmaven]

1 hour ago, Guest Orange is not Apple said:

Albert Einstein studied, comprehended, and explored in his own time. His conclusion was the result of a lifetime's worth of work. Even so, there is still room for debate regarding his theory. Gallup is a corporate organization, and you can't disregard the possibility that a company may act contrary to its original goal when the circumstances called for it.

Then you might as well disregard any news media or any surveys, or approach them with extreme suspicion. Don't know what you would then do day to day, if you spend so much time suspecting all sorts of conspiracies.

 

Note that while Gallup is a corporate organisation, their ability to do business (sell their data), is based on their reputation. If no one believes what Gallup says, then they wouldn't be able to survive as an ongoing business.

[sgmaven]

1 hour ago, Guest The Gall said:

 

Reputation is a moving object.   I don't even trust judges, much less the business world. I frequently pay attention to the court of public opinion, not through polls, but rather to what people say and feel without being under any pressure to speak lies. I also know that, in order to get the response they desired, politicians and nations have supported specific survey firms and written questions that point towards their favored direction.

Public opinion? You and I know how easily the public can be misled. Look at how the Nazis convinced the German population! Or how the MAGA politicians have fooled so many Americans about the failure of the electoral system in the US! So, are you saying that as long as a large group of people "believe" in something, then it is true? You might as well believe that the Earth is Flat...

[Guest Insulting]

7 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Einstein published his limited theory of relativity plus other revolutionary papers at the age of 26 (!!!).  And he lived for 76 years.  

Stop insulting Einstein for living a fruitless and unproductive idle life, starting from his 27yo,  for 50 years. 

[Guest Chicken & Egg thing]

7 hours ago, sgmaven said:

 are you saying that as long as a large group of people "believe" in something, then it is true? You might as well believe that the Earth is Flat...

The same group of people, in question, took the poll in Gallup too.  So who do you believe?  Wasn't Gallup get the poll from this same group whom you choose not to believe?  You get the picture now.

[sgmaven]

2 hours ago, Guest Chicken & Egg thing said:

The same group of people, in question, took the poll in Gallup too.  So who do you believe?  Wasn't Gallup get the poll from this same group whom you choose not to believe?  You get the picture now.

Did you even try to read their polling methodology?!? Obviously not...

[Steve5380]

5 hours ago, Guest Insulting said:

Stop insulting Einstein for living a fruitless and unproductive idle life, starting from his 27yo,  for 50 years. 

 

Please, don't Insult yourself displaying so much ignorance.   Einstein published his general theory of relativity in 2016, at the age of 37 years.  This "fruitless and unproductive" theory changed the science of physics forever !!!

[Steve5380]

14 hours ago, Guest The Gall said:

 

Reputation is a moving object.   I don't even trust judges, much less the business world. I frequently pay attention to the court of public opinion, not through polls, but rather to what people say and feel without being under any pressure to speak lies. I also know that, in order to get the response they desired, politicians and nations have supported specific survey firms and written questions that point towards their favored direction.

 

 

You trust the court of public opinion?   Of people under no pressure to speak lies?  You deserve pity  !

 

You are unaware of how much IGNORANCE affects public opinion.  Think of the antique Greeks and how they worshipped the Gods of Olympus,  and reflect on how right they were...   Think of the biblical times where public opinion was that the earth is flat, with God high above, and Hell deep below...  Think of the past Christian world where illness was caused by SIN...

[Guest The Gall]

17 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You are unaware of how much IGNORANCE affects public opinion.  Think of the antique Greeks and how they worshipped the Gods of Olympus,  and reflect on how right they were...   Think of the biblical times where public opinion was that the earth is flat, with God high above, and Hell deep below...  Think of the past Christian world where illness was caused by SIN...

It is inappropriate to compare the un-intellectual public opinion of the past with that of today's highly educated and aware society. Are you at a loss for examples?

[sgmaven]

1 hour ago, Guest The Gall said:

It is inappropriate to compare the un-intellectual public opinion of the past with that of today's highly educated and aware society. Are you at a loss for examples?

Today's highly-educated and aware society? I honestly don't think that they are much more aware about societal issues, except those that directly impact themselves. Just look at the millions of MAGA Americas, who choose not to believe in the media, but prefer to believe in conspiracy theories like QAnon!

 

If you need to look at our own shores, then look at the vaccine-skeptics, who choose to believe the online rumours that the opinions of medical professionals.