Ukraine invasion by Russia Discussion and it's impact on Singapore and Asia? (compiled)

[Why?]

8 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Biden has not invaded neither Russia nor China.  The fact that he has brought together the NATO nations like no other one before, indicates that he is not sleepwalking. 

He is not sleeping walking, so is Obama, and Donald Trump.  America using Ukraine as proxy against Russia has been systematically planned for decade.  Hunter Biden has a part in the entire scandal too.   Here is the summary of timeline that covers the ground with no stone left unturned. 

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Why?

[singalion]

 

Snap Insight: Xi's visit to Moscow won't bring peace to Ukraine nor support for Russia

 

The possibility of Chinese aid will be the subtext of the meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping, says Robert Kelly.

 

17 Mar 2023

 

 

BUSAN: After it brokered a deal to re-establish ties between Saudi Arabia and Iran just last week, could China score a diplomatic coup in Russia next?

 

Chinese President Xi Jinping will soon be visiting Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a state visit from Monday (Mar 20) to Mar 22, his first trip to Moscow since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022.

 

Xi had raised his concerns about the war to Putin when they met in September 2022 in Uzbekistan, at a time when Kremlin voices talked up the Russian use of nuclear weapons. On the first anniversary of the invasion, China released a 12-point peace plan, warning against using nuclear weapons and calling for urgent talks.

 

Though Xi would likely rather see Putin win the conflict, the threat of nuclear escalation is so terrifying that Beijing has repeatedly signalled to Moscow to avoid nuclear threats.

COULD CHINA PLAY PEACE BROKER?

Could Xi succeed in bringing Russia and Ukraine back to the negotiation table? He might try, but neither Ukraine nor the West will accept mediation by a party that has affirmed support for Russia all this while.

 

China and Russia’s “no limits” partnership declared just weeks before the invasion, is thought to have given Putin the confidence to launch his war. In the Gulf, China is a disinterested party who just wants access to hydrocarbons and has no interest in sectarian conflicts.

 

 

While Beijing has provided an economic lifeline to Moscow by purchasing Russian oil amid a tightening Western embargo, those purchases have been at heavily discounted prices.

 

OR OPENLY HELP RUSSIA IN THE WAR?

Putin is now in trouble, trapped in a war of attrition against Ukraine and its Western supporters with resources that vastly outweigh Russia’s.

 

The Ukraine war risks turning into a repeat of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 – an expected blitzkrieg that turned into a long, unwinnable quagmire. The Soviets eventually tired and retreated. Russia will likely meet the same fate in Ukraine if it cannot win this year.

 

Putin will not admit this to Xi, of course. But the possibility of Chinese aid will be the subtext of the meeting.

China’s economy is large and diverse. It can produce a lot of what Putin needs to win, most obviously ammunition and microchips.

 

More overt Chinese support might also convince the West that the Ukraine war was escalating into a major Eurasian conflict, with Russia and China on one side and the West on the other.

 

Everyone wants to avoid that frightening scenario. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) might press Ukraine to make concessions to end the war. This has long been Putin’s hope.

 

A SINKING SHIP

Though Chinese help would be great for Putin, it is hard to see the upside for China. The United States has already warned China that direct military support for Russia would bring a US economic and financial response.

 

China still needs access to Western markets, technology and capital to fire its growth. It is particularly sensitive to low growth, as the promise of robust growth has long been the source of legitimacy for the Chinese Communist Party. And China’s superpower aspirations still require robust trade relations with wealthy democracies.

 

Hence, I doubt Xi will change course much. The two leaders will release a milquetoast joint statement about Russia’s “legitimate concerns” in Ukraine and the threat of American imperialism.

 

But Xi will refuse to put his name on anything which will provoke a Western economic backlash. Xi will not tie himself to a sinking ship.

 

 

[Why?]

5 hours ago, singalion said:

 

But Xi will refuse to put his name on anything which will provoke a Western economic backlash. Xi will not tie himself to a sinking ship.

 

 

Russian GDP is reportedly still rather positive, and the country has a more stable economy than the EU even after the massive sanctioning.  

 

What gives Joe Biden the idea that he can now influence the ICC to rule that Putin is a war criminal if Trump does not recognize the ICC's judgment on US crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

The entire world also believed the war is not between Ukraine and Russia,  it is between America and Russia.  This can be traced back to the history since Soviet became disintegrated and thereafter, America hideous plot began.  Ukraine war, is the ulitmate objective long planned by America. It will not stop until America plummentted internally, which is about to begain...as follows:

 

Beginning with the collapse of its own banking system, America will sink into the Mariana trench first. As a result, President Xi is unconcerned about what the United States will think of his visit to Putin.

 

 

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Why? said:

Russian GDP is reportedly still rather positive, and the country has a more stable economy than the EU even after the massive sanctioning.  

 

What gives Joe Biden the idea that he can now influence the ICC to rule that Putin is a war criminal if Trump does not recognize the ICC's judgment on US crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

 

WHAT has Donald Trump to do in this conflict???   Are you living in the past,  when this abominable criminal was... president!?   Trump has now issues of his own,  he is ready to NOT RECOGNIZE a bunch of judgments against HIMSELF.  But he does not need to recognize them,  he may try to fight them when he is behind bars...

 

You need to learn how to read, and get information from its sources.  Russia has a smaller economy than the EU,  even a smaller economy than...  Texas, where I live,  ha ha.   As for "stable"... you call it so after what happened a year ago when Russia started the war?

 

2 hours ago, Why? said:

 

The entire world also believed the war is not between Ukraine and Russia,  it is between America and Russia.  This can be traced back to the history since Soviet became disintegrated and thereafter, America hideous plot began.  Ukraine war, is the ulitmate objective long planned by America. It will not stop until America plummentted internally, which is about to begain...as follows:

 

 

How can you speak for "the entire world",  when you are just a semi-ignorant individual who does not even know the sizes of major economies?

 

2 hours ago, Why? said:

 

Beginning with the collapse of its own banking system, America will sink into the Mariana trench first. As a result, President Xi is unconcerned about what the United States will think of his visit to Putin.

 

 

The American banking system IS NOT collapsing.  Shareholders of banks are suffering major losses,  but thanks to the Biden Administration a collapse will be averted.  He already has eliminated the motivations for "runs on the banks", since the bank customer's deposits will be guaranteed.   Also Biden is pushing for reinstating and reinforcing regulations that prevent banks from collapsing,  some of which were removed by... who?...  Trump,  of course!

 

We already see that major disasters happen because Trump maliciously played around and removed important regulations,  first about higher car gas mileage, then about railroad safety,  now about banking safety.  This is what happens when a totally incompetent demagogue running on a capitalistic ideology manages to ascend to power thanks to lies and deceptions.

[singalion]

3 hours ago, Why? said:

Russian GDP is reportedly still rather positive, and the country has a more stable economy than the EU even after the massive sanctioning.  

 

 

I don't think above statement fits with reality. 

 

Russia’s economy

 

 

March 13, 2023

 

The economy shrank 2.1% last year, Russia’s statistics agency said. The International Monetary Fund predicts 0.3% growth this year.

 

 

Russia’s economy will face a “turning point” this year as oil and gas revenue falls by 50% and the trade surplus plunges to $80 billion from $257 billion last year.

Oil tax revenue fell 48% in January from a year earlier, according to the International Energy Agency.

 

 

Considering 2022 as whole, the Eurozone GDP expanded 3.5%. 

 

 

I would advise you to doublecheck your post content with facts prior to posting!

 

 

Edited March 18, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

3 hours ago, Why? said:

The entire world also believed the war is not between Ukraine and Russia,  it is between America and Russia.  This can be traced back to the history since Soviet became disintegrated and thereafter, America hideous plot began.  Ukraine war, is the ulitmate objective long planned by America.

 

The entire world doesn't believe such... 143 out 195 independent nations voted at the UN against the Russian invasion and condemned Russia. There was no single voice heard at the UN of the US fighting a proxy war. The vote was just weeks ago reconfirmed. 

 

Maybe you reduce the amount of your reading of the Epoch Times to become better informed what the "entire" world thinks and also what is happening on the earth. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

We already see that major disasters happen because Trump maliciously played around and removed important regulations,  first about higher car gas mileage, then about railroad safety,  now about banking safety.  This is what happens when a totally incompetent demagogue running on a capitalistic ideology manages to ascend to power thanks to lies and deceptions.

 

You forgot to incude such incompetent demagogues who dare to post at this forum and don't even know why, what and how... and seem to be detached from reality. 

 

 

[Steve5380]

59 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

You forgot to incude such incompetent demagogues who dare to post at this forum and don't even know why, what and how... and seem to be detached from reality. 

 

 

Thanks for reminding me.  But the incompetent demagogues we don't know why? they are here, are mostly harmless, serving merely as an entertainment in some gay forum.  

[singalion]

13 minutes ago, Why? said:

America went about killing civilians, destroyed schools and hospitals in Iraq and then PLUNDER their oil.  Donald Trump stopped ICC from investigation.

 

Whereas Putin send away children and elderly to safer place,when war started,  but Joe Biden wanted ICC to charge Putin as war criminal.  America vs  Russia, which of the above scenario is more hideous?

 

 

I won't permit you to post untruths at BW!

 

Here read a report from the UN that rebuts your blatant untruth on Putin in the Ukraine war.

Your points hints at some delusion in your mind and issues to separate facts from blatant untruths.

 

You have not supported your claim that Putin send Children and elderly to safe places, when the war started.

Did this happen in Siberia?

 

What about the intentional attacks on civilians, hospitals, schools in Ukraine?

 

 

Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights

Ukraine: Attack on civilians and infrastructure

11 October 2022

The missile attacks by Russian armed forces yesterday which struck cities across Ukraine left at least 12 civilians dead and more than 100 injured in Kyiv, Dnipro and Zaporizhzhia, and in Kyiv and Sumy regions. The location and timing of the strikes – when people were commuting to work and taking children to school – is particularly shocking.

We are gravely concerned that some of the attacks appear to have targeted critical civilian infrastructure. Many civilian objects, including dozens of residential buildings and vital civilian infrastructure – including at least 12 energy facilities – were damaged or destroyed in eight regions, indicating that these strikes may have violated the principles on the conduct of hostilities under international humanitarian law. Damage to key power stations and lines ahead of the upcoming winter raises further concerns for the protection of civilians and in particular the impact on vulnerable populations.

Attacks targeting civilians and objects indispensable to the survival of civilians are prohibited under international humanitarian law.

We urge the Russian Federation to refrain from further escalation, and to take all feasible measures to prevent civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure.

Our Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine will continue corroborating information on civilian casualties resulting from these attacks, as well as documenting violations of human rights and international humanitarian law throughout the country.

 

Ukraine: civilian casualty update 31 March 2022

 

Date: 31 March 2022

From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started, to 24:00 midnight on 30 March 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 3,167 civilian casualties in the country: 1,232 killed and 1,935 injured. This included:

• a total of 1,232 killed (250 men, 176 women, 18 girls, and 36 boys, as well as 58 children and 694 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
• a total of 1,935 injured (225 men, 167 women, 36 girls, and 32 boys, as well as 81 children and 1,394 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
  • In Donetsk and Luhansk regions: 1,392 casualties (404 killed and 988 injured)
    • On Government-controlled territory: 1,081 casualties (338 killed and 743 injured)
    • On territory controlled by the self-proclaimed ‘republics’: 311 casualties (66 killed and 245 injured)
  • In other regions of Ukraine (the city of Kyiv, and Cherkasy, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Kherson, Kyiv, Mykolaiv, Odesa, Sumy, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipropetrovsk and Zhytomyr regions), which were under Government control when casualties occurred: 1,775 casualties (828 killed and 947 injured)

Most of the civilian casualties recorded were caused by the use of explosive weapons with a wide impact area, including shelling from heavy artillery and multiple launch rocket systems, and missile and air strikes.

OHCHR believes that the actual figures are considerably higher, as the receipt of information from some locations where intense hostilities have been going on has been delayed and many reports are still pending corroboration. This concerns, for example, Mariupol and Volnovakha (Donetsk region), Izium (Kharkiv region), Popasna (Luhansk region), and Irpin (Kyiv region), where there are allegations of numerous civilian casualties. These figures are being further corroborated and are not included in the above statistics.

 

 

 

We have so far recorded 549 civilian deaths and 957 injuries since the armed attack began on 24 February, although the actual figure could be much higher.

Civilians are being killed and maimed in what appear to be indiscriminate attacks, with Russian forces using explosive weapons with wide area effects in or near populated areas. These include missiles, heavy artillery shells and rockets, as well as airstrikes.

Schools, hospitals, and kindergartens have been hit – with hugely devastating consequences. On 3 March, 47 civilians were killed when Russian airstrikes hit two schools and several apartment blocks in Chernihiv. On 9 March, a Russian airstrike hit Mariupol Hospital No.3 injuring at least 17 civilians. We are still investigating reports that at least three civilians may have been killed in the airstrike. We spoke to different sources in Mariupol, including local authorities, indicating consistently that the hospital was both clearly identifiable and operational when it was hit.

We have also received credible reports of several cases of Russian forces using cluster munitions, including in populated areas. On 24 February, a cluster munition exploded at the Central City Hospital in Vuhledar, in government-controlled Donetsk, killing four civilians, injuring 10 others, and damaging ambulances, civilian vehicles and the hospital itself. There were other cluster munition attacks in several districts of Kharkiv, in which nine civilians were killed and 37 injured.

 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/search?f[0]=country_taxonomy_term_name%3AUkraine

 

[singalion]

 

 

 

One Year On, Ukraine War Characterized by Systematic Targeting of Civilians

 

Originally published20 Feb 2023

 

Nearly a year after Russia launched a full-blown invasion of Ukraine, the scale of destruction and civilian casualties testifies of the brutality of the conflict. Major violations of international humanitarian law have been repeatedly perpetrated in a climate of impunity. Center for Civilians in Conflict (CIVIC) calls for an end to the war and to hold accountable all perpetrators of international crimes.

 

 

 

Facts and Figures:

• Nearly 6 million Ukrainians are internally displaced, and more than 8 million have fled as refugees to European countries. (UNOCHA)
• 40 percent of Ukraine’s population is in need of humanitarian assistance. (UNOCHA)
• As of December 31, 2022, more than 760 attacks against healthcare facilities, vehicles, and personnel were recorded in Ukraine. (WHO)
• Many attacks by Russian armed forces were carried out with explosive weapons with wide area effects, including cluster munities, unguided aerial bombs, and guided missiles.
• As of November 2022, the total amount of documented damage to buildings and infrastructure amounted to nearly USD136 billion. (Kyiv School of Economics)

 

 

 

[singalion]

 

57 minutes ago, Why? said:

America went about killing civilians, destroyed schools and hospitals in Iraq and then PLUNDER their oil.  Donald Trump stopped ICC from investigation. Whereas Putin send away children and elderly to safer place,when war started,  but Joe Biden wanted ICC to charge Putin as war criminal.  America vs  Russia, which of the above scenario is more hideous?

 

The International Criminal Court (ICC) has initiated proceedings against Putin for war crimes.

 

Proceedings do not equate to haven proven that Putin is a war criminal.

 

 

Also, at the current stage it is just perfect that the US is not supporting the International Criminal Court (ICC) because Russia cannot say, that the No. 1 enemy of Russia is involved in this. This means you can expect no bias from the ICC on their proceedings against Putin and Russia.

 

Note that 123 out of 193 countries on this world are signatories to the ICC.

 

As of November 2019, 123 states are parties to the Statute of the Court.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110118070450/http://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XVIII-10&chapter=18&lang=en

 

This court is not just "nobody".

 

 

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

 

38 minutes ago, Why? said:

America went about killing civilians, destroyed schools and hospitals in Iraq and then PLUNDER their oil.  Donald Trump stopped ICC from investigation.

 

Whereas Putin send away children and elderly to safer place,when war started,  but Joe Biden wanted ICC to charge Putin as war criminal.  America vs  Russia, which of the above scenario is more hideous?

 

 

I don't understand how anyone can come here and post such disgusting untruths onto BW.

 

The war crimes and attacks of Russia against civilians are all well recorded.

 

 

Explainer: How are war crimes in Ukraine being investigated?

 

March 18, 2023

 

THE HAGUE, March 17 (Reuters) - The International Criminal Court's arrest warrant against Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday is just one strand in a complex web of international and national legal moves over alleged war crimes in Ukraine.

More than 74,500 such atrocities have been reported in Ukraine since Russia invaded, according to the prosecutor general's office in Kyiv. Bringing those to trial is no simple task.

Ukrainian and Western authorities say there is evidence of murders and executions, shelling of civilian infrastructure, forced deportations, child abductions, torture, sexual violence and illegal detention.

The Hague-based tribunal has led the most high-profile investigations into the most prominent suspects, looking into war crimes as well as broader crimes against humanity and genocide.

 

Since his investigation was launched a year ago, ICC prosecutor Karim Khan has visited Ukraine four times.

He has visited the Kyiv region, where civilians were massacred in Bucha, and the Kharkiv region, home to residential neighbourhoods in the town of Borodianka devastated by shelling, as well as a home for children in southern Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-are-war-crimes-ukraine-being-investigated-2023-02-23/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest In the know]

If they got rid of the Western backed Zionists that are in control of Ukrainian politics..... Then there would be no conflict.

The Americans and NATO were intent on providing nuclear capable weapons of mass destruction on Russia's doorstep and Putin gave them fair warning to desist or face the consequences.

Comparable to the Cuba crisis in the  early 60's, leading to Russia backing down to avoid conflict.

How many more innocent lives to be lost to advance the cause of American backed Judaism.

[singalion]

6 hours ago, Guest In the know said:

If they got rid of the Western backed Zionists that are in control of Ukrainian politics..... Then there would be no conflict.

 

Volodymyr Zelenskyy won the most democratic and fair elections of Ukraine in 2019 with a 72% majority.

 

The election was considered by OSCE Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe that sent observers to the election as free and fair.

 

What should we take of you antisemitic comment on Zelenskyy?

 

Looks like you have issues with democratic elections?

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

6 hours ago, Guest In the know said:

The Americans and NATO were intent on providing nuclear capable weapons of mass destruction on Russia's doorstep and Putin gave them fair warning to desist or face the consequences.

 

False statements.

 

There is no substantiation to your claims visible in your post.

 

Nobody was giving any nuclear weapons to Ukraine. A NATO membership was not even paramount or imminent.

 

Putin refused to talk with NATO for plenty of years prior to the invasion in 2022.

 

What authority does Putin have to give the Europeans any warning (for what?) ?

 

NATO also never intended or had any plan to move any nuclear weapons into Ukraine.

 

Your post seems to follow some conspiracy theories.

 

 

[singalion]

6 hours ago, Guest In the know said:

Comparable to the Cuba crisis in the  early 60's, leading to Russia backing down to avoid conflict.

How many more innocent lives to be lost to advance the cause of American backed Judaism.

 

I spot another anti-semitic statement in your post.

 

Since when is the US promoting Judaism?

 

Your posts seem to follow some totally absurd and weird conspiracy theories... if not any fascist ideology.

 

 

The size of the U.S. Jewish population

 

 

 

This report classifies approximately 5.8 million adults (2.4% of all U.S. adults) as Jewish. This includes 4.2 million (1.7%) who identify as Jewish by religion and 1.5 million Jews of no religion (0.6%)

 

 

The Jewish population in the US is a total minority.

 

 

Better educate yourself and gain some knowledge prior to posting such untruths onto BW.

 

 

 

Edited March 22, 2023 by singalion

[Steve5380]

15 hours ago, singalion said:

 

I don't understand how anyone can come here and post such disgusting untruths onto BW.

 

 

I am surprised that you don't understand !!

 

All this trolls have found a sure way to call attention with their posts, and not be painfully ignored as worthless ignorant.   

 

They have found that...   that the more disgusting their untruths, falsities, deceptions are,  the more responses they attract and the less they are ignored.   It is a way of filling the voids in their worthless lives.

 

So this is perfectly natural.  We should not get upset about it.  

[Steve5380]

15 hours ago, Guest In the know said:

If they got rid of the Western backed Zionists that are in control of Ukrainian politics..... Then there would be no conflict.

The Americans and NATO were intent on providing nuclear capable weapons of mass destruction on Russia's doorstep and Putin gave them fair warning to desist or face the consequences.

Comparable to the Cuba crisis in the  early 60's, leading to Russia backing down to avoid conflict.

How many more innocent lives to be lost to advance the cause of American backed Judaism.

 

You are surely "in the know".   But I won't comment on the shit you allegedly know...

 

The Zionists who are evil are mostly confined to Israel.

 

NATO has all the right to provide nuclear capable weapons of mass destruction on Russia's doorsteps,  since Russia has plenty more nuclear capable weapons of mass destruction on Europe's doorsteps.   Why do you have an issue with this?

 

I agree that American backed Zionism  (more than Judaism) can get out of hand.  Trump as president was one of those who kissed the ass of the Israeli Zionists.  Biden and the Democrats in general are much more impartial and so give more support to the Palestinian cause and reject the evil of the Israeli forces.  But that Judaism is involved in the Russia / Ukraine conflict is an invention of Putin, a cheap way to justify his invasion.

[singalion]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You are surely "in the know".   But I won't comment on the shit you allegedly know...

 

The Zionists who are evil are mostly confined to Israel.

 

NATO has all the right to provide nuclear capable weapons of mass destruction on Russia's doorsteps,  since Russia has plenty more nuclear capable weapons of mass destruction on Europe's doorsteps.   Why do you have an issue with this?

 

I agree that American backed Zionism  (more than Judaism) can get out of hand.  Trump as president was one of those who kissed the ass of the Israeli Zionists.  Biden and the Democrats in general are much more impartial and so give more support to the Palestinian cause and reject the evil of the Israeli forces.  But that Judaism is involved in the Russia / Ukraine conflict is an invention of Putin, a cheap way to justify his invasion.

 

According to Putin weren't it a need of "denazification" of Ukraine in his early speeches... lol

 

What Putin Gets Wrong About ‘Denazification’ in Ukraine

MARCH 3, 2022

 

As the war in Ukraine rages, so does a war of words. In a TV address on Feb. 24, Russian President Vladimir Putin explained that the goal of invading Ukraine was “to protect the people that are subjected to abuse, genocide from the Kiev regime” and to “demilitarize and denazify Ukraine.”

 

But historians tell TIME that Putin is misusing the term “denazify,” pointing out that denazification refers to a particular moment in time in the post-war era, and that Putin’s use of the term is propaganda aimed at his fears about the current democratic government in the Ukraine.

 

 

[Steve5380]

48 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

According to Putin weren't it a need of "denazification" of Ukraine in his early speeches... lol

 

What Putin Gets Wrong About ‘Denazification’ in Ukraine

MARCH 3, 2022

 

As the war in Ukraine rages, so does a war of words. In a TV address on Feb. 24, Russian President Vladimir Putin explained that the goal of invading Ukraine was “to protect the people that are subjected to abuse, genocide from the Kiev regime” and to “demilitarize and denazify Ukraine.”

 

But historians tell TIME that Putin is misusing the term “denazify,” pointing out that denazification refers to a particular moment in time in the post-war era, and that Putin’s use of the term is propaganda aimed at his fears about the current democratic government in the Ukraine.

 

 

 

How does one "denazify Zionists"?   By preventing them from rushing to concentration camps to be gassed to death?

 

To mix nazification and Zionism into this conflict is pure nonsense.

.

Edited March 23, 2023 by Steve5380

[Guest Curious]

https://www.rt.com/business/573455-russia-inflation-drops/

 

How is it that Russia's inflation rate is lower than the West? 

 

Should it not be the other way around? Sanctions on Russia imposed by the West should hurt Russia, not themselves. Its been over a year already.

 

I don't understand the logic.

[singalion]

what intelligent and reasonable person would believe anything from the Russian propaganda channel Russia Today???

 

Hilarious!

 

 

[singalion]

February 18, 2023

Russia recorded inflation of 11.8% on an annual basis in January, almost three times the central bank's official 4% target. It signalled last week it was preparing to raise base interest rates to cool inflation

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-central-bank-says-falling-rouble-driving-inflation-higher-2023-02-17/#:~:text=Russia recorded inflation of 11.8,interest rates to cool inflation.

 

[singalion]

Monthly inflation in Russia

 

Feb 2023	10.99%
Jan 2023	11.77%
Dec 2022	11.9%
Nov 2022	12%
Oct 2022	12.6%
Sep 2022	13.7%
Aug 2022	14.3%
Jul 2022	15.1%
Jun 2022	15.9%
May 2022	17.1%
Apr 2022	17.8%
Mar 2022	16.7%
Feb 2022	9.2%

[Guest Curious]

Nice. How about UK's inflation rate?

[singalion]

Google yourself. 

 

But you won't prove your false statement...

 

 

[Guest Guest]

France celebrate Russia's defeat on the streets. Sanctions working as intended.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nationwide-protests-france-after-macron-doubles-down-pension-bill-2023-03-23/

[Why?]

12 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

https://www.rt.com/business/573455-russia-inflation-drops/

 

How is it that Russia's inflation rate is lower than the West?   I don't understand the logic.

The logic is easy to understand.  Russia is not that hurt. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Why?

[Mojohomme]

in my humble opinion, russia use of east ukraine being part of russia to attack ukraine is no valid.

singapore used to be a part of malaysia and malaysia used to be part of indonesia and thailand? so should thailand and indonesia attack singapore? 

there are many cases like these in the world. how can we support russia war against ukraine?

besides that, russia by starting the war need to compensate should they lose it. where ukraine need to surrender eastern ukraine. NATO can win the war but by prolonging it. they could negotiate future compensation. the world bank has announce a loan for rebuilding ukraine, even before the war has ended, proving it confidence of ukraine winning the war.

china on the other hand is been unvoluntary tied with russia. should russia lose the war. china, north korea and iran will need to pay up if they are proven to help russia with the war. 

china of course wanted the war to end with a peace talk, but now the war has already cost so much. it is obvious peace talk is no longer the answer. someone has to pay the price.

US has a habit of gathering strong and convincing info before they do anything. therefore when hillary spoke about chinese stealing fighter jet design. china initially protest but suddenly kept mute. i believe someone called up beijing and showed evidence of thief. asking if beijing wants to blow it big. seriously it is known that the j10 and j20 jets are design by US to have serious safety flaw. 

recently NATO has given the russian a lead in some area of the warfare and putin appears in eastern ukraine. some people thinks it is a sign of  a weaken NATO. but didn't anyone sees it as a trap to make Xi believe in hope that Russia might win and be more confident to assist Russia, which put them in a reason for more sanctions?

the fact is even before they sent aid to russia. the list of sanction on chipmaking technologies has already fall on china. 

china has reserves of farming land for self sufficient needs. but think again, a huge portion of these land are used to cultivate animal feeds from US's and europe's GMO technologies. I cannot be sure if they could sustain the yield if the final sanctions comes in the form of GMO technologies.

Korea once import seeds from China when China believes the second generation of GMO seeds can perform. ended up these seeds sometimes cannot germinate, leading to a famine in NK. 

If people think that colonisation is over. then we should look at technology. we are still very much controlled by western countries, simply because we need their technology to process our produce.

this is just my views, i am open to other view for discussion but please be constructive and rational. dun be like those old cheena always doing personnal attack when they are at their wit end.



 

[Mojohomme]

frankly i believe NATO has almost deplete their arms in their european warehouse. they will finally wants to end the war. but that is if china does not provide arms to russia. if china were to provide arms in large quantities. taiwan which is another weapon warehouse for the US could see a rise. 

please do not see ukraine war as an isolated thing. perhaps the fact that ukraine seek to join NATO which CCP fanboys regarded as the main reason for the war could be a move to let russia and china be sucked into a swirl hole. 

many of the countries lose money in their fight with covid and sales of weapon is one way to recoup. so perhaps a war is just the right tool, right? china and russia too think that they could recoup by starting a war. but they underestimate the forces behind.

 

[Why?]

42 minutes ago, Mojohomme said:

in my humble opinion, russia use of east ukraine being part of russia to attack ukraine is no valid.

there are many cases like these in the world. how can we support russia war against ukraine?
 

Will you still let your neighbor air their dirty laundry and clog your hallways with a ton of pots and furniture? There is a limit, despite the fact that you can say that Corrditor is a public space where everyone can do whatever they want. When the going gets tough, I'll take revenge on my neighbor for blocking my way and creating a hazard in front of my property. Ukraine lacks all self-control despite warnings from its own neighbour.   

[Guest Wtf]

2 hours ago, Why? said:

Will you still let your neighbor air their dirty laundry and clog your hallways with a ton of pots and furniture? There is a limit, despite the fact that you can say that Corrditor is a public space where everyone can do whatever they want. When the going gets tough, I'll take revenge on my neighbor for blocking my way and creating a hazard in front of my property. Ukraine lacks all self-control despite warnings from its own neighbour.   

that’s a really shit metaphor that does nothing to illustrate the lame point you are trying to make.

 

Where is this hallway or corridor you are talking about that Ukraine has somehow been using?
 

Where is the communal space between Russia and Ukraine where you somehow think Ukraine has been putting their ‘pots and furniture’? 

[Guest Wtf]

17 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

https://www.rt.com/business/573455-russia-inflation-drops/

 

How is it that Russia's inflation rate is lower than the West? 

 

Should it not be the other way around? Sanctions on Russia imposed by the West should hurt Russia, not themselves. Its been over a year already.

 

I don't understand the logic.

You are using Russia Today as a source and then asking about logic?! 
 

😂 

[Why?]

3 hours ago, Guest Wtf said:

You are using Russia Today as a source and then asking about logic?! 
 

😂

Ukraine is Russia's corridor.  America is the dirty laundry, the pots and furnitrues are NATO.   Ukraine allows dirty laundry and other hazadous items placed near Russia's corridor, should Putin welcome them?    The last we know, America sanctioned Cuba and threatened Mexico for the same reason these countries did what Ukraine was doing near America's backyard.   You geit it yet?

Edited March 24, 2023 by Why?

[D.0284]

2 hours ago, bi with gf said:

I'd have to agree. I think the world has had enough of American imperialism and proxy conflicts.

The sooner China supports Russia the better.....then we might see US and NATO  back off and Ukraine can get rid of the Jewish puppet minority running the country through a dubious election.

no matter how bad is american imperialism, the fact is that many countries relies on Western technology. so are you enough of western technology yet? can you forsake your social media, desktop computers, food and mobile phone?

[Mojohomme]

10 hours ago, Why? said:

Will you still let your neighbor air their dirty laundry and clog your hallways with a ton of pots and furniture? There is a limit, despite the fact that you can say that Corrditor is a public space where everyone can do whatever they want. When the going gets tough, I'll take revenge on my neighbor for blocking my way and creating a hazard in front of my property. Ukraine lacks all self-control despite warnings from its own neighbour.   

pardon me, the corridor you mention here is a sovereign country. singapore has never considered malaysia as our corridor too. so your theory is that every country which share a border with another country should attack each other?

this is a very good point, please kindly elaborate. thank you.

[Why?]

13 minutes ago, Mojohomme said:

pardon me, the corridor you mention here is a sovereign country. 

Sovereign? When did Ukrainians start treating Russian speakers in the Donbas with dignity? With the West turning a blind eye, the internal conflict between Ukrainians and its own Eastern residents has been going on for years. These Ukrainians intend to invite NATO with all foreseeable military assets along the Eastern Ukraine to destabilize the already unstable domestic strife, adding fuel to the fire. Moscow cannot stand idly by and watch NATO take over DONBAS region and so Putin pre-strike is necessary to deliberate Donbas from western bullies.   

[Mojohomme]

1 hour ago, Why? said:

Sovereign? When did Ukrainians start treating Russian speakers in the Donbas with dignity? With the West turning a blind eye, the internal conflict between Ukrainians and its own Eastern residents has been going on for years. These Ukrainians intend to invite NATO with all foreseeable military assets along the Eastern Ukraine to destabilize the already unstable domestic strife, adding fuel to the fire. Moscow cannot stand idly by and watch NATO take over DONBAS region and so Putin pre-strike is necessary to deliberate Donbas from western bullies.   

i do not understand you viewpoint. so if say the MP for tuas have conflict with the parliament, does it means that malaysia can claim tuas as theirs? i dun quite understand your definition of a sovereign state. please kindly provide your definition of a sovereign state. in my viewpoint, east ukraine is still a part of ukraine, it is still an ukraine internal affair.

so in your viewpoint, since hongkong and taiwan does not like to be part of china. they can declare independence?

you have yet to explain your viewpoint on ukraine being a corridor to russia, so do you mean that malaysia is a corridor to singapore too? now, if johor has close ties with singapore does it justify singapore to invade malaysia?

so you determine a country with the language they speak, so if singapore uses english extensively, can UK claim us as part of UK?

please kindly explain your views on the language defining of a country. does it mean that by declaring hokkien as official language, taiwan can be an independence state? as such should singapore declare our national language as singlish?
 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Mojohomme

[Guest Wtf]

5 hours ago, Why? said:

Ukraine is Russia's corridor.  America is the dirty laundry, the pots and furnitrues are NATO.   Ukraine allows dirty laundry and other hazadous items placed near Russia's corridor, should Putin welcome them?    The last we know, America sanctioned Cuba and threatened Mexico for the same reason these countries did what Ukraine was doing near America's backyard.   You geit it yet?

sorry, what? How is a sovereign nation a corridor? I told you it was a shit metaphor that doesn’t stand up to a second of any semi intelligent, let alone actually intelligent, thought. 
 

 

[Mojohomme]

3 minutes ago, Guest Wtf said:

sorry, what? How is a sovereign nation a corridor? I told you it was a shit metaphor that doesn’t stand up to a second of any semi intelligent, let alone actually intelligent, thought. 
 

 

yes, i am puzzled by the new concept of a sovereign state, where it is define by language or being a corridor. spain and germany should regard france as a corridor? that is strange

[Guest Wtf]

1 hour ago, Why? said:

Sovereign? When did Ukrainians start treating Russian speakers in the Donbas with dignity? With the West turning a blind eye, the internal conflict between Ukrainians and its own Eastern residents has been going on for years. These Ukrainians intend to invite NATO with all foreseeable military assets along the Eastern Ukraine to destabilize the already unstable domestic strife, adding fuel to the fire. Moscow cannot stand idly by and watch NATO take over DONBAS region and so Putin pre-strike is necessary to deliberate Donbas from western bullies.   

i really question if you have any idea what you are writing or whether you have just done google translate of some Russian propaganda.
 

What difference would nato have made to an internal conflict? Did nato presence or membership do anything to either fix or destabilize anything in Northern Ireland for example? And you can’t seem to decide whether the west should have got involved in this internal conflict or not - one minute complaining about the west getting involved, and the next complaining about it turning a blind eye. 
 

How was nato going to ‘take over Donbas’ exactly? What do you think nato does and is for? 
 

 

[Guest Wtf]

Just now, Mojohomme said:

yes, i am puzzled by the new concept of a sovereign state, where it is define by language or being a corridor. spain and germany should regard france as a corridor? that is strange

I guess by this new logic, any country that has borders on more than one side can now be considered a corridor? 

[Why?]

29 minutes ago, Mojohomme said:

i do not understand you viewpoint.

 

15 minutes ago, Guest Wtf said:

 it was a shit metaphor that doesn’t stand up to a second of any semi intelligent, let alone actually intelligent, thought. 

Understanding that Russia and America are a long-standing foe does not require intelligence. The present president of Ukraine plotted with the United States to plant NATO along Russia's border. It's plan foiled by Russia's attack.  Now is it easy to understand?

[Mojohomme]

5 minutes ago, Guest Wtf said:

I guess by this new logic, any country that has borders on more than one side can now be considered a corridor? 

now i am really afraid of the new order. seems scary.

[Mojohomme]

4 minutes ago, Why? said:

 

Understanding that Russia and America are a long-standing foe does not require intelligence. The present president of Ukraine plotted with the United States to plant NATO along Russia's border. It's plan foiled by Russia's attack.  Now is it easy to understand?

but that still does not define your claim of corridor and sovereignty. even if 2 or more countries in dispute it does not contradict the concept of sovereignty. please explain.

Edited March 24, 2023 by Mojohomme

[Steve5380]

19 hours ago, Mojohomme said:

 

in my humble opinion, russia use of east ukraine being part of russia to attack ukraine is no valid.
 

 

It is not a humble opinion, it is a  good, rational opinion.

 

In this world of changing borders and nation's allegiances,  it is common that communities of some ethnicity find themselves on the wrong side of the line that separates them from the country of their ethnicity.  But to provoke a war over this is not a solution.

 

Russia,  the biggest country in the world by land extension, does not need to worry about this small piece of Ukrainian land occupied by the the ethnic Russians who have such longing for their mother country ( hard to understand why someone wants to be in Russia).  So an easy solution would have been to help these ethnic Russians to cross the border and relocate in Russia for free, providing them some housing, etc.   Or, Russia could have negotiated a swap of land,  getting this piece of east Ukraine in exchange for other Russian land.  Or making a payment for it.  

 

But the action of these ethnic Russians in Ukraine to start a fight against Ukraine with help from Russia is the EVIL that started everything.   It is probable that with the war, their piece of Dumbass region has been completely destroyed and... and where are they now?  Have they all taken refuge in Russia?   They are probably the biggest LOSERS.

[Steve5380]

6 hours ago, Why? said:

 

Understanding that Russia and America are a long-standing foe does not require intelligence. The present president of Ukraine plotted with the United States to plant NATO along Russia's border. It's plan foiled by Russia's attack.  Now is it easy to understand?

 

You are right.

 

The fact that you make an "understanding" out of this idiotic idea that the Ukrainian president "plotted" with the US to "plant" NATO in Ukraine,  shows that you have ZERO intelligence.  NATO has been progressively been joined by the majority of European countries, and has treaties with many Asian countries,  not because it is being "planted",  but because it is the smart way to get the protection of a world military force without having each country to build a huge military.  Strength through union, alliance,  this is what NATO represents.

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Edited March 24, 2023 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

15 hours ago, bi with gf said:

I'd have to agree. I think the world has had enough of American imperialism and proxy conflicts.

The sooner China supports Russia the better.....then we might see US and NATO  back off and Ukraine can get rid of the Jewish puppet minority running the country through a dubious election.

 

So you want America's "imperialism"  defeated by China and Russia, the same as Jewish puppet minorities? 

 

Singapore's population is made up of nearly 76% of Chinese Singaporeans.  Maybe you are one of them?   So with America's "imperialism" out of the way,  you may have the opportunity to petition the Mother Country China to take possession of Singapore,  and annex your island as a Chinese province.  Then after Singapore,  Malaysia will also be added to China because it is a sibling country of Singapore.   This will allow China to extend it's concept of the "South China Sea" to the Gulf of Thailand and nearly the Java Sea.  Then, it will be a natural that Vietnam, that borders this new "South China Sea" will also "invited" to join the PRC,  together with Cambodia, Laos and Thailand.  And since the Java Sea is so close,  Indonesia will soon follow,  together with the Philippines and New Guinea. 

 

By then, the PRC Empire will have over two billion people,  and will become the largest empire in human history, with Xi Jinping the absolute powerful leader.   All the nations where English is taught will change over to the Empire's language, Chinese.  with perhaps Russian as second language.   Have fun!

[Why?]

4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

NATO has  has treaties with many Asian countries, Strength through union, alliance,  this is what NATO represents.

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Majority of Asian countries felt NATO, led by the West particularly America,  is reponsible for the war in Ukraine. Duh!!

Edited March 25, 2023 by Why?

[Why?]

4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

It is not a humble opinion, it is a  good, rational opinion.

 

In this world of changing borders and nation's allegiances,  it is common that communities of some ethnicity find themselves on the wrong side of the line that separates them from the country of their ethnicity.  But to provoke a war over this is not a solution.

 

  It is probable that with the war, their piece of Dumbass region has been completely destroyed and... and where are they now?  Have they all taken refuge in Russia?   They are probably the biggest LOSERS.

Don't conveniently overlook the illegal occupation of Syria by America military. As a result, the massive earthquake there was greatly ignored.  What is new. 🙄

Edited March 25, 2023 by Why?