Ukraine invasion by Russia Discussion and it's impact on Singapore and Asia? (compiled)

[Guest Wtf]

2 hours ago, Why? said:

Majority of Asian countries felt NATO, led by the West particularly America,  is reponsible for the war in Ukraine. Duh!!

any source for that? 

[Guest Wtf]

13 hours ago, Guest Wtf said:

i really question if you have any idea what you are writing or whether you have just done google translate of some Russian propaganda.
 

What difference would nato have made to an internal conflict? Did nato presence or membership do anything to either fix or destabilize anything in Northern Ireland for example? And you can’t seem to decide whether the west should have got involved in this internal conflict or not - one minute complaining about the west getting involved, and the next complaining about it turning a blind eye. 
 

How was nato going to ‘take over Donbas’ exactly? What do you think nato does and is for? 
 

 

Still looking forward to your answers on the points above @Why?

[Why?]

5 minutes ago, Guest Wtf said:

Still looking forward to your answers on the points above @Why?

I will provide you with answer only after you have cleared your MENTAL BLOCK, a disease currently spread in Western world.  I hope you didn't get seriously infected by @Steve5380

Edited March 25, 2023 by Why?

[singalion]

2 hours ago, Why? said:

Majority of Asian countries felt NATO, led by the West particularly America,  is reponsible for the war in Ukraine. Duh!!

 

 

 

Besides very few countries like China I have not seen Asian countries putting the blame on NATO for the war in Ukraine.

 

Not sure in what reality you live, but the majority of countries in Asia spoke out against Russia's invasion and condemned it!

 

 

Only China and Vietnam abstained in this region. (Did not even vote against).

In UN voting an abstention mostly refers to: We actually support the motion but we do not intend to offend the country.

Even the China "ally" Cambodia voted in favour!

 

India always had a special relationship with Russia, Modi has clearly spoken against the invasion in his speeches.

 

Iran also abstained and did not join the Russian side.

 

Green = approved

Yellow = abstained.

 

 

 

 

Against: (red colour) 5:   Belarus, Eritrea, North Korea, Russia, Syria  

 

Blue means not present or  lost voting rights.

(When countries don't pay the UN contribution they lose the voting right).

 

If these countries felt that the West/US or NATO is to blame for the war in Ukraine, why did they condemn Russia then???

 

You are advised to do background checks first, before posting anything onto BW.

 

99% what you post into BW are all truth distortions and not supported by facts.

 

Can you please refrain from always posting your untruths onto BW.

 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

13 minutes ago, Guest Wtf said:

Still looking forward to your answers on the points above @Why?

 

Like that other untruth poster on BW, that member, who is actually often a general known Guest poster here, never reply to any questions you raise to them, because they would need to admit that their content of any previous post is wrong or would contradict their own reasoning.

 

If you only digest media from China, Russia Today or other Russian channels and in the US National Review, Newsmax and OAN, then surely you start losing touch on reality...

 

 

[Why?]

8 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

Not sure in what reality you live, but the majority of countries in Asia spoke out against Russia's invasion and condemned it!

Another silly and shallow thinking process.   Condemned is not the same as sanctioning.  Many countries rhetorically condemned the war and in theory war is considered bad.  I think so too.    In reality,  majority of these countries did not support sanctioning Russia. It is simply not practical.   Actions speak louder than words, new to you?

[singalion]

2 hours ago, Why? said:

Majority of Asian countries felt NATO, led by the West particularly America,  is reponsible for the war in Ukraine. Duh!!

 

It would be also appreciated if you don't always put up such general statements into BW if  you don't offer or are unable to justify and substantiate your point.

 

"Majority of Asian countries felt..." etc

 

Such your statements seem not supported by any evidence or facts.

 

 

 

[singalion]

1 minute ago, Why? said:

Another silly and shallow thinking process.   Condemned is not the same as sanctioning.  Many countries rhetorically condemned the war and in theory war is considered bad.  I think so too.    In reality,  majority of these countries did not support sanctioning Russia. It is simply not practical.   Actions speak louder than words, new to you?

 

Ah, now you jump on "sanctioning".

 

Previously , you always called out such behaviour by naming it "Shifting the goal post".

 

Your initial point was this:

 

2 hours ago, Why? said:

Majority of Asian countries felt NATO, led by the West particularly America,  is reponsible for the war in Ukraine. Duh!!

 

Where do you talk about sanctions?

 

You talk here about responsibility of the war in Ukraine or who/ what caused it.

 

Don't jump on topics.

 

 

 

[singalion]

7 minutes ago, Why? said:

Another silly and shallow thinking process.   Condemned is not the same as sanctioning.  Many countries rhetorically condemned the war and in theory war is considered bad.  I think so too.    In reality,  majority of these countries did not support sanctioning Russia. It is simply not practical.   Actions speak louder than words, new to you?

 

The reason why many countries don't follow the sanctions has one simple background!

 

They are not UN approved.

 

And why?

 

These countries are in fact just following the UN principles.

But must you then interpret that they support Russia?

 

Look at certain countries, e.g. even for Chile or Tanzania, implementing sanctions is very costly and troublesome.

Better equipped and financially better standing countries can afford implementing such sanctions.

 

Fact is that the sanctions have nothing to do on who or what these countries regard as responsible for the war.

There is no correlation.

 

 

 

[singalion]

By the way the sanctions are working:

 

Russia's Oil Exports Collapsed Since G-7 Sanctions Began

20 December 2022

 

Russia’s seaborne crude shipments collapsed in the first full week of Group of Seven sanctions targeting Moscow’s petroleum revenues

 

 

Russia's Oil Flows Slump to 2022-Low as Sanctions Squeeze Moscow

Four-week average cargoes fell by 600,000 barrels a day in eight weeks

 

3 January 2023 at 20:27 GMT+8

Russia's crude shipments slid to the lowest for 2022 in the final four weeks of the year as sanctions crimped Moscow’s exports. Cargoes bound for China, India and Turkey, which have become a lifeline for Russian supplies displaced from Europe, saw a third straight drop.

 

Russian crude exports sink to two-year low

03 Jan 2023

Russian seaborne crude exports fell to a two-year low in December, according to tanker tracking data, as Moscow struggled to redirect to Asia oil displaced by sanctions in European and G7 countries.

 

Russian crude export flows fell across the board, the data showed, with exports also falling to China, India and Turkey, which have become Moscow's biggest oil buyers since the war in Ukraine.

 

 

[singalion]

On 3/22/2023 at 5:07 PM, Guest In the know said:

If they got rid of the Western backed Zionists that are in control of Ukrainian politics..... Then there would be no conflict.

The Americans and NATO were intent on providing nuclear capable weapons of mass destruction on Russia's doorstep and Putin gave them fair warning to desist or face the consequences.

Comparable to the Cuba crisis in the  early 60's, leading to Russia backing down to avoid conflict.

How many more innocent lives to be lost to advance the cause of American backed Judaism.

 

19 hours ago, bi with gf said:

I'd have to agree. I think the world has had enough of American imperialism and proxy conflicts.

The sooner China supports Russia the better.....then we might see US and NATO  back off and Ukraine can get rid of the Jewish puppet minority running the country through a dubious election.

 

What dubious election in the Ukraine?

 

Don't confuse 2014 with 2019.

 

In 2019 it was one of the freest and fairest elections.

 

Did you note that the citizens of most Eastern European countries wanted to get out of the "sphere" of Russia as soon as possible. Why was that so?

 

Then, the elections in Russia and China are not more worrisome than Ukraine?

What validity do the elections in Russia have?

 

Do you have any value for Freedom?

Do you think the people in Russia and China feel freedom and are happy?

 

 

I also note your strong antisemitic stance in your post that doesn't bring any value to the discussion.

 

Maybe you take a look what type of oligarchs surround Putin, if you have issues with Jewish people...

Then eventually you may recognise how flawed your arguments here are.

 

Also you should respond why millions of people intend to flee and immigrate into Europe and the US, but zero into China and Russia?

 

 

[singalion]

Just for completeness:

 

The follow up resolution by the UN on 18 Oct 2022  got a similar result against Russia.

 

 

 

	In favour
	Against
	Abstained
	Absent
	Non-UN member

 

 

Against

:  5  :

Belarus, North Korea, Nicaragua, Russian Federation, Syria

 

143 countries for

35 abstained.

[singalion]

On 3/18/2023 at 7:57 PM, Why? said:

Russian GDP is reportedly still rather positive, and the country has a more stable economy than the EU even after the massive sanctioning.  

 

All false news from "Why?":

 

Russia's economy contracted 2.1 percent in 2022, after an upwardly revised 5.6 percent expansion in 2021, mainly due to the sanctions from Western states in retaliation to its invasion of Ukraine in February

contrast this with EU:

 

GDP increased by 3.5% in the euro area and by 3.6% in the EU in 2022

 

 

Don't believe anything what that member "Why?"  posts at BW.

 

In fact, I noted that this member prefers to post some false statements but never offering any substantiation or facts.

 

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by singalion

[Guest Wtf]

2 hours ago, Why? said:

I will provide you with answer only after you have cleared your MENTAL BLOCK, a disease currently spread in Western world.  I hope you didn't get seriously infected by @Steve5380

thank you for confirming that you cannot answer the most simple questions with any actual facts or substantiated sources.
 

It is pointless to attempt a discussion with the feeble-minded, so I’ll tap out here. 

[singalion]

On 3/24/2023 at 9:00 AM, Mojohomme said:

china on the other hand is been unvoluntary tied with russia. should russia lose the war. china, north korea and iran will need to pay up if they are proven to help russia with the war. 

 

Maybe you should just acknowledge who are the main "enemies" of the US.

 

North Korea fought a war against the US before 1960 and the US is working against North Korea since that time.

 

Iran considers the US as their main enemy also because the US has curtailed Iran's development and the Iranian politicians have always presented the US as the worst enemy to their population.

 

Russia , in that Soviet Union era was the direct enemy of the system differences between the "free" world and the Soviet communistic system... There was always a competitive situation, which in my view Russia has lost as their "empire" crumbled away in 1990s.

 

In my personal view, the Ukraine war has shown to the world how weak Russia in fact is. It's military seems not capable of winning a war. There was a strong miscalculation by Russia and also a false view by Putin on the strength of Russia.

 

Why are Russia and China working together? Because both don't want a Western political system governed by certain democratic rules and China fears if Russia has been weakened it won't have any strong ally to support their. China fear nothing most as a free country, because it would mean the end of the CCP. Lastly, China sees the economic advantage, now after Europe has turned their head from Russia to sell their own products to Russia, in particular now when US and Europe are decoupling their economy from China and trying to be more independent in not relying on manufacturing products from China.

 

The fact that China is more recently interfering much stronger in the conflict and looking for a peace points to me that China is very aware that Russia is on the losing side. Because a weak Russia would no longer guarantee having an ally with a certain power status and also would be less interesting in economic turns...

 

 

[Guest Guest]

What a load of hogwash. 

So who do you really think is pulling the strings of the so called Western democracies?

Main stream media? Central banks? Political lobbyists and influencers?

Take a guess at which common denominator controls the above and you will have your answer.

[Mojohomme]

43 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

Maybe you should just acknowledge who are the main "enemies" of the US.

 

North Korea fought a war against the US before 1960 and the US is working against North Korea since that time.

 

Iran considers the US as their main enemy also because the US has curtailed Iran's development and the Iranian politicians have always presented the US as the worst enemy to their population.

 

Russia , in that Soviet Union era was the direct enemy of the system differences between the "free" world and the Soviet communistic system... There was always a competitive situation, which in my view Russia has lost as their "empire" crumbled away in 1990s.

 

In my personal view, the Ukraine war has shown to the world how weak Russia in fact is. It's military seems not capable of winning a war. There was a strong miscalculation by Russia and also a false view by Putin on the strength of Russia.

 

Why are Russia and China working together? Because both don't want a Western political system governed by certain democratic rules and China fears if Russia has been weakened it won't have any strong ally to support their. China fear nothing most as a free country, because it would mean the end of the CCP. Lastly, China sees the economic advantage, now after Europe has turned their head from Russia to sell their own products to Russia, in particular now when US and Europe are decoupling their economy from China and trying to be more independent in not relying on manufacturing products from China.

 

The fact that China is more recently interfering much stronger in the conflict and looking for a peace points to me that China is very aware that Russia is on the losing side. Because a weak Russia would no longer guarantee having an ally with a certain power status and also would be less interesting in economic turns...

 

 

I am not sure, but everybody (incl. putin and xi) knows the longer the war drags the worse the outcome for russia and china. i seriously hope that russia can stop the war and pays the compensation rather than dragging china down with her. 

[Mojohomme]

3 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

What a load of hogwash. 

So who do you really think is pulling the strings of the so called Western democracies?

Main stream media? Central banks? Political lobbyists and influencers?

Take a guess at which common denominator controls the above and you will have your answer.

i guess if there is another country which is more technological advance, then the ball would be in a different court.

seriously, people thinks xi visit to saudi will decrease the importance of US dollar. the fact that all crude oil contain sulphur that only a few facilities in the world has the abilities to filter without creating acid rain effect. this technology is patented by a handful of western companies. 

by doing this all oil needs to go thru the few facilities before shipping to their final destination to be refine. so, do you think saudi really wants to take the risk with china?

[singalion]

1 hour ago, Mojohomme said:

I am not sure, but everybody (incl. putin and xi) knows the longer the war drags the worse the outcome for russia and china. i seriously hope that russia can stop the war and pays the compensation rather than dragging china down with her. 

 

It is not that Russians never went on the streets when they seriously had enough...

 

When specialised cruel armed forces send open messages to Putin now with threats that they cease fighting. (Bachmut).. (Wagner) then the situation must be quite obvious.

 

Let's look at ending the war first, then let's talk about compensation.

 

What I predict is that Ukraine will not accept any Chinese negotiated peace. China has been siding too much with Russia.

So, who can do it?

 

But first Putin must realise that he can't win at all.

The Russian military is trying hard to close up one of the two provinces in the east but not sure they will achieve.

 

Ukraine is talking about bringing the war into Russia with attacks, then the Russian population will feel the impact on their country.

 

[singalion]

1 hour ago, Mojohomme said:

seriously, people thinks xi visit to saudi will decrease the importance of US dollar. the fact that all crude oil

 

Just look at the reports, since 2015 China has been pushing Saudi Arabia to accept Yuan payments for oil.

 

But what does Saudi Arabia want with the Chinese currency??? They are not much invested in China.

 

China has been pushing the Middle East for plenty of years to accept payments in the Chinese currency.

 

E.g,:

Oct 11 2017

China will “compel” Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan and, when this happens, the rest of the oil market will follow suit and abandon the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency

 

 

But so long nothing has happened.

This shows to me that the Yuan is not considered as carrying much value.

 

The Saudis need US Dollars to invest into the Western economies and to diversify from the oil...

 

 

[singalion]

Who is pulling the strings in Western democracies?

 

 

In every country the big corporations try to push governments for their goals. This is not contained to Western democracies. If the big corporations are all government linked like in China, then surely there is not much difference in interests between the People's Congress and the big corporations.

 

However, elections in the Western democracies are not restricted. They are free and fair.

 

Citizens in Western democracies always have the opportunity to vote a government out.

 

Now think of Countries not following in the Western democratic style?

 

Do you think the People's congress in the PRC is a fair representation of the will of the Chinese people?

 

How about Uzbekistan, North Korea, Venezuela or even nearer to our shores, Vietnam?

 

 

 

I bet most people in any country in the world would wish to have an election system similar to those in the Western democracies (despite the fact that government decisions are impacted by big corporations and the corporate world).

 

So do you prefer to have systems implemented in the free West or prefer a Chinese government and voting system???

 

I assume your question is responded by now.

 

Know what you want...

 

 

[singalion]

1 hour ago, Mojohomme said:

i guess if there is another country which is more technological advance, then the ball would be in a different court.

 

The fear of China being left out from technical advancement seems quite big nowadays.

 

In fact, more and more companies are moving their technological sectors out of China.

 

Europe and US is investing into setting up their own manufacturing in tech related sectors.

 

In plenty of areas it is clear that China's products does not match the technological advancement.

 

Most tech in China that is relevant has been achieved through stealing the tech and spying on Western companies that set up manufacturing in China.

 

The past 5 years China switched the strategy in buying tech relevant companies in the West and US. But since 2 or more years, the Europeans are more alert not to allow such companies to go into the hands of China.

 

Also guess why China is so unhappy that Huawei is left out in Europe and US? It took the Chinese government the ability to spy the tech from the West even further... and this means China has to invent, create etc on their own. Will they be able to do and compete?

 

Same was the Chinese strategy to subsidise certain industries (solar etc) until other countries were not longer able to compete with their own products. it took too long for the West to realise what is going on, how China hampered the Western companies working in China and how China started investing into their own facilities and by making the manufacturing cheaper due to hefty subsidies to their own companies.

 

The West should have taken more stringent measures to push China to cease these cheats much earlier.

 

 

[Mojohomme]

singapore and malaysia remains the biggest population of chinese who are pro communism. that's why it is better for the younger generation to travel and perhaps leave this toxic environment.

[Why?]

3 hours ago, singalion said:

In plenty of areas it is clear that China's products does not match the technological advancement.

Can you afford to pay if China show you its technological advanced product?

2 hours ago, Mojohomme said:

singapore and malaysia remains the biggest population of chinese who are pro communism. that's why it is better for the younger generation to travel and perhaps leave this toxic environment.

Do they have financial mean to leave?

 

Lets' all get back to the situaion in Ukraine!!!

 

If Zelensky is not complaining about China, and has never  scolded China since the war started, the noises about China  must definitely came from Western Europe and America.  The odor of jealousy about China is pretty strong from the West and Ukrainians knew that. The entire population of Ukrainian lives now lie squarely on China.   If Zelenskky do not wish to give up  eastern Ukraine, he will have to sacrifice Western Ukraine because Poland army is ready to move in (with the help of America weapons).    Zelenskky knows his history more than you guys spewing Sh..t here. 

[Steve5380]

5 hours ago, Mojohomme said:

singapore and malaysia remains the biggest population of chinese who are pro communism. that's why it is better for the younger generation to travel and perhaps leave this toxic environment.

 

Is this so?  So many Chinese in Singapore are pro-communism?  I don't want to lower my estimation of Singaporeans!

 

Could it be that these Chinese Singaporeans have heard so much about beautiful China from their elders, but have never lived or been there?  But even their elders cannot sing too many praises of Red China under Mao. 

 

What a pity!  Surely these Chinese Singaporeans are LOADED with products, electronics from the West!  and use all the websites from the West!

.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Why? said:

 

If Zelensky is not complaining about China, and has never  scolded China since the war started, the noises about China  must definitely came from Western Europe and America.  The odor of jealousy about China is pretty strong from the West and Ukrainians knew that. The entire population of Ukrainian lives now lie squarely on China.   If Zelenskky do not wish to give up  eastern Ukraine, he will have to sacrifice Western Ukraine because Poland army is ready to move in (with the help of America weapons).    Zelenskky knows his history more than you guys spewing Sh..t here. 

 

Do you live in Asia?   Because  The odor of fear about China  is felt quite strongly throughout Asia, coming from the countries in the proximity of China being afraid of being swallowed alive by the PRC Monster.

[Steve5380]

7 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

What a load of hogwash. 

So who do you really think is pulling the strings of the so called Western democracies?

Main stream media? Central banks? Political lobbyists and influencers?

Take a guess at which common denominator controls the above and you will have your answer.

 

HA HA HA...  So much for your "hogwash".   LOL LOL LOL !!!

 

Look at America.  Who is pulling the strings of this Western Democracy?    IT IS JOE BIDEN,

 

the Democrat President who installed his Administration,  and now rules together with a majority of Congress, its most important branch The Senate,  in Democrat's hands. 

 

Also pulling strings are the JUDICIAL branches of state governments, in New York and Georgia,  getting ready to roast Trump on medium fire until he is done and ready to be thrown to the dogs.

[singalion]

3 hours ago, Why? said:

If Zelensky is not complaining about China, and has never  scolded China since the war started, the noises about China  must definitely came from Western Europe and America.  The odor of jealousy about China is pretty strong from the West and Ukrainians knew that. The entire population of Ukrainian lives now lie squarely on China.   If Zelenskky do not wish to give up  eastern Ukraine, he will have to sacrifice Western Ukraine because Poland army is ready to move in (with the help of America weapons).    Zelenskky knows his history more than you guys spewing Sh..t here. 

 

Zelensky repeated all last weeks and months urging China not to supply any weapons to Russia.

 

China said from the start that borders of independent countries should be respected. Surely, this pleases the Ukraine. But will China keep its word? And how much can the Ukraine trust Xi, when he seems to favour Russia.

 

What you forgot is that China required Ukraine and was a major buyer of Ukrainian products and agricultural goods.

 

It seems more that in recent weeks, China left Ukraine at the side.

Zelensky offered to talk with Xi, but Xi never took any serious step to talk on the war.

Both just had a short call for the 30 year diplomatic relations.

 

Since China never talks to Zelelensky how can the Ukraine trust China in any way.

 

Your posts are always a bit one sided. Always the West and the US are the bad guys.

 

Look at Sri Lanka then you know what was the result of Chinese interference into an independent country making it totally dependent on China until the people started an uprising.

Your repeated glorification of China is a bit far from the actual reality.

 

Plenty of countries in Africa suffer from a deep indebtedness to China.

Tell, what did China make different to other countries or Western countries?

 

And what jealousy of the West on China are you talking about?

On what scale is China at the same level as Europe or the US.

 

Being a no 1 exporter of certain goods manufactured in China does not yet equate to being an economic powerhouse.

 

What Chinese  car brand did seriously take off and can even compete with Korean or Japanese cars?

 

The plane that China tried to copy from Airbus, how many sales has it made in the past 5 years outside China????

 

What Chinese home made brand is really international? TikTok????

 

Please come down to ground and take a realistic look on the Chinese economy.

 

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by singalion

[Mojohomme]

9 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Is this so?  So many Chinese in Singapore are pro-communism?  I don't want to lower my estimation of Singaporeans!

 

Could it be that these Chinese Singaporeans have heard so much about beautiful China from their elders, but have never lived or been there?  But even their elders cannot sing too many praises of Red China under Mao. 

 

What a pity!  Surely these Chinese Singaporeans are LOADED with products, electronics from the West!  and use all the websites from the West!

.

there were chinese and english schools in malaysia and singapore before the independence. 

[Mojohomme]

9 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

HA HA HA...  So much for your "hogwash".   LOL LOL LOL !!!

 

Look at America.  Who is pulling the strings of this Western Democracy?    IT IS JOE BIDEN,

 

the Democrat President who installed his Administration,  and now rules together with a majority of Congress, its most important branch The Senate,  in Democrat's hands. 

 

Also pulling strings are the JUDICIAL branches of state governments, in New York and Georgia,  getting ready to roast Trump on medium fire until he is done and ready to be thrown to the dogs.

i think joe and trump does the same thing but in a different manner. 

[Mojohomme]

7 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Zelensky repeated all last weeks and months urging China not to supply any weapons to Russia.

 

China said from the start that borders of independent countries should be respected. Surely, this pleases the Ukraine. But will China keep its word? And how much can the Ukraine trust Xi, when he seems to favour Russia.

 

What you forgot is that China required Ukraine and was a major buyer of Ukrainian products and agricultural goods.

 

It seems more that in recent weeks, China left Ukraine at the side.

Zelensky offered to talk with Xi, but Xi never took any serious step to talk on the war.

Both just had a short call for the 30 year diplomatic relations.

 

Since China never talks to Zelelensky how can the Ukraine trust China in any way.

 

Your posts are always a bit one sided. Always the West and the US are the bad guys.

 

Look at Sri Lanka then you know what was the result of Chinese interference into an independent country making it totally dependent on China until the people started an uprising.

Your repeated glorification of China is a bit far from the actual reality.

 

Plenty of countries in Africa suffer from a deep indebtedness to China.

Tell, what did China make different to other countries or Western countries?

 

And what jealousy of the West on China are you talking about?

On what scale is China at the same level as Europe or the US.

 

Being a no 1 exporter of certain goods manufactured in China does not yet equate to being an economic powerhouse.

 

What Chinese  car brand did seriously take off and can even compete with Korean or Japanese cars?

 

The plane that China tried to copy from Airbus, how many sales has it made in the past 5 years outside China????

 

What Chinese home made brand is really international? TikTok????

 

Please come down to ground and take a realistic look on the Chinese economy.

 

 

china knows it well that to control a foreign country, she need to provide a reliance of the foreign country to her. Just like her reliance on the west on chip producting. she was a victim on opium when she heavily relied on it.

but technology is an reliance which many countries could not live without. but that said chinese has a strong habit of being overly obsess with things in trend. similar to opium, when used in controlled amount it is a medication, when used in obsession it is a narcotic materials.

when ASML decided not to supply machine to china, xi call to ask the crane maker if they source their chip locally. he knows that many ports in the world uses crane from china and support was provided by the company remotely. however that said. many countries are planning to replace the chinese crane systems with their own. xi thinks this trump card can buy time. but the recent trade deficit is just the right time to do the switch.

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Mojohomme said:

i think joe and trump does the same thing but in a different manner. 

 

Yes,  Biden and Trump do and did the same thing, the job of being the president of the US.  

 

But their ways are totally opposite.  Biden respects the law,  Trump bent the law for his purposes.

They also have and had opposite objectives:  Biden wants to make America great again,  Trump wanted to make HIMSELF great.

[Why?]

22 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

Biden wants to make America great again,  

Is America now great, especially on world stage and the dealing of its own internal monetary system?  I don't think Trump has created so many problems than what Biden did today.  

 

America is technically a BANKRUPT nation and still wanted to fool around with its greatest debtor in the world. 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Why?

[singalion]

50 minutes ago, Why? said:

Is America now great, especially on world stage and the dealing of its own internal monetary system?  I don't think Trump has created so many problems than what Biden did today.  

 

America is technically a BANKRUPT nation and still wanted to fool around with its greatest debtor in the world. 

 

There is an USA thread.

Please post your view on the US in the relevant thread.

 

This here is about the Ukraine war.

[Why?]

11 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Do you live in Asia?   Because  The odor of fear about China  is felt quite strongly throughout Asia, coming from the countries in the proximity of China being afraid of being swallowed alive by the PRC Monster.

The greatest fear, no Asian wanted to see,  was American military forces operating in Asia to incite China and then try to create "NEW NATO" in this region (luckily without much succcess).  It defies sense why America can't just stay in their own backyard and take care of their own business rather than traveling millions of miles to Asia to deploy bombs and weapons. The American military should actually remain away from Korea, the Philippines, and Japan and let these nations exercise their true sovereignty so that they can safely conduct business with China rather than wage war.   Nobody wanted to be in the situation like Ukraine simply the result of America and NATO's stupidity and insensitivity towards the neighbouring countries. 

 

My greatest advice to the West specifically AMERICA is:

 

“Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you.”

 

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Why?

[Why?]

8 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

There is an USA thread.

Please post your view on the US in the relevant thread.

 

This here is about the Ukraine war.

Ukraine War is the WAR between AMERICA and RUSSIA.    America internal politics, its inflations, monetary spendings and presidential elections are tightly linked to the havoc it created in Ukraine.  It is sometimes difficult to separate the topic. 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Why?

[singalion]

2 minutes ago, Why? said:

Ukraine War is the WAR between AMERICA and RUSSIA.    America internal politics, its inflations, monetary spendings and presidential elections are tightly linked to the havoc it created in Ukraine.  It is sometimes difficult to separate the topic. 

 

The Ukraine war is between Russia and Ukraine.

 

Please substantiate your points above.

Simply posting here claims, does not make them to a fact.

 

Otherwise they stand as just mere slogans and propaganda lines that you copied from somewhere else.

 

Where are your facts for your above statements?

 

 

 

 

[singalion]

13 minutes ago, Why? said:

The greatest fear, no Asian wanted to see,  was American military forces operating in Asia to incite China and then try to create "NEW NATO" in this region (luckily without much succcess).  It defies sense why America can't just stay in their own backyard and take care of their own business rather than traveling millions of miles to Asia to deploy bombs and weapons. The American military should actually remain away from Korea, the Philippines, and Japan and let these nations exercise their true sovereignty so that they can safely conduct business with China rather than wage war.   Nobody wanted to be in the situation like Ukraine simply the result of America and NATO's stupidity and insensitivity towards the neighbouring countries. 

 

My greatest advice to the West specifically AMERICA is:

 

“Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you.”

 

 

 

Then you need to explain why Singapore has a military alliance with the US.

 

Why does Vietnam work together with the US military and why is the Philippines engaging the US to assist in defending the borders of that country?

 

Are those countries scared of the US or someone else?

 

 

[singalion]

15 minutes ago, Why? said:

The greatest fear, no Asian wanted to see,  was American military forces operating in Asia to incite China and then try to create "NEW NATO" in this region (luckily without much succcess).  It defies sense why America can't just stay in their own backyard and take care of their own business rather than traveling millions of miles to Asia to deploy bombs and weapons. The American military should actually remain away from Korea, the Philippines, and Japan and let these nations exercise their true sovereignty so that they can safely conduct business with China rather than wage war.   Nobody wanted to be in the situation like Ukraine simply the result of America and NATO's stupidity and insensitivity towards the neighbouring countries. 

 

My greatest advice to the West specifically AMERICA is:

 

“Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you.”

 

 

 

The world forums have already declared China's approach as untenable and unlawful.

 

It is the persistence of China not to accept international rules and court orders and to infringe onto weaker countries rights.

 

Member "Why?' tell us what country is currently violating international rules? The US?

 

 

[singalion]

21 minutes ago, Why? said:

The greatest fear, no Asian wanted to see,  was American military forces operating in Asia to incite China and then try to create "NEW NATO" in this region (luckily without much succcess).  It defies sense why America can't just stay in their own backyard and take care of their own business rather than traveling millions of miles to Asia to deploy bombs and weapons. The American military should actually remain away from Korea, the Philippines, and Japan and let these nations exercise their true sovereignty so that they can safely conduct business with China rather than wage war.   Nobody wanted to be in the situation like Ukraine simply the result of America and NATO's stupidity and insensitivity towards the neighbouring countries. 

 

My greatest advice to the West specifically AMERICA is:

 

“Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you.”

 

 

 

It looks like you confuse who is the aggressor and who intends to defend the international legal order .

[singalion]

22 minutes ago, Why? said:

 Nobody wanted to be in the situation like Ukraine simply the result of America and NATO's stupidity and insensitivity towards the neighbouring countries. 

 

Are you saying countries like Russia or China have the right to hold neighbouring countries as their corridors and those countries are not free and independent?

 

 

[singalion]

23 minutes ago, Why? said:

 Nobody wanted to be in the situation like Ukraine simply the result of America and NATO's stupidity and insensitivity towards the neighbouring countries. 

 

Tell me member "Why?" was Russia seriously impacted if Ukraine on their independent decision joined NATO, if NATO is already at the border and closer to Russia in Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia?

 

 

[Steve5380]

20 minutes ago, Why? said:

 

  Nobody wanted to be in the situation like Ukraine simply the result of America and NATO's stupidity and insensitivity towards the neighbouring countries. 

 

 

I can understand how perplexed @singalion is by your FANTASY statements.  I would be curious to know what malevolent malignant evil miserable news and commentary websites you visit to come up with such distorted, false, unrealistic, invented  "facts" you come up with here.   It is quite ridiculous...  but even sad  that you stick your head into these information sewers to drink their poisonous falsities.   Hopefully one day you lose this addiction and become a clean person.

[singalion]

19 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I can understand how perplexed @singalion is by your FANTASY statements.  I would be curious to know what malevolent malignant evil miserable news and commentary websites you visit to come up with such distorted, false, unrealistic, invented  "facts" you come up with here.   It is quite ridiculous...  but even sad  that you stick your head into these information sewers to drink their poisonous falsities.   Hopefully one day you lose this addiction and become a clean person.

 

It is a result from just digesting and being immersed into the Mainland Chinese propaganda channels.

 

However, those propaganda media channels do not bite in the region, but still some Chinese speaking in Malaysia or Singapore, who are not good in conversing or understanding English papers due to lack of vocabulary read such channels.

 

 

[Mojohomme]

so tired. i come to a conclusion. this thread would be useless if a group of individual who have knowledge on how the world works vs a group who does not. 

[Why?]

6 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I can understand how perplexed @singalion is by your FANTASY statements.  

He is so eager to learn everything I know that I find him to be somewhat bothersome. It was similar to a kid who didn't bother to do his homework but instead showed up to class to monopolize the teacher's time by asking excessively pointless questions. The likelihood of such a pupil failing their exam is high. You are quite different, and I appreciate how you responded in a dejected, defeated manner—unlike @singalion—without embarrassing yourself and after processing  most of the truth I expressed in all of my postings.

 

Now that so many international leaders, including our prime minister, are waiting in line to meet with President Xi whose hands are full with goodies for the world, I would rather focus on what will happen next than listen to so many tedious questions from pro-American apologists here.

 

BYE!

[Guest Wtf]

1 hour ago, Why? said:

He is so eager to learn everything I know that I find him to be somewhat bothersome. It was similar to a kid who didn't bother to do his homework but instead showed up to class to monopolize the teacher's time by asking excessively pointless questions. The likelihood of such a pupil failing their exam is high. You are quite different, and I appreciate how you responded in a dejected, defeated manner—unlike @singalion—without embarrassing yourself and after processing  most of the truth I expressed in all of my postings.

 

Now that so many international leaders, including our prime minister, are waiting in line to meet with President Xi whose hands are full with goodies for the world, I would rather focus on what will happen next than listen to so many tedious questions from pro-American apologists here.

 

BYE!

it is interesting - and sad - to see that weak minded people like @Why?can only see the world like a comic book where there are goodies and baddies and they never stop to consider that there might be people in the world who are against Russia’s war in Ukraine but that this doesn’t mean they are pro everything America does or has done. Or that you can be against Russia’s war in Ukraine and support China if you want to.
 

Simple minds can only see the world in black and white and this is why they are unable to discuss with any degree of nuance or intelligence. 

[singalion]

1 hour ago, Guest Wtf said:

it is interesting - and sad - to see that weak minded people like @Why?can only see the world like a comic book where there are goodies and baddies and they never stop to consider that there might be people in the world who are against Russia’s war in Ukraine but that this doesn’t mean they are pro everything America does or has done. Or that you can be against Russia’s war in Ukraine and support China if you want to.
 

Simple minds can only see the world in black and white and this is why they are unable to discuss with any degree of nuance or intelligence. 

 

Despite our clashes in other topics I thank you for your posts in this thread.

 

Exactly, you hit the nail.

 

The pure black and white view won't lead to anything.

 

Even if my personal disliking to Trump is quite clear, I never said that Trump opened some topics that required a review on the American policies. I don't even object to Trump's decision for the departure of Afghanistan. Just that Trump did not bring the sufficient focus to achieve something that had lasted or at least had hampered the Taliban to implement the archaic laws once again in that country. Trump didn't make a try.

 

Further, I don't think for the long term, isolating China is the way forward. And this I see as the biggest challenge or hindering point on the US - China policy. Sure you can oppose China, put obstacles in place to slow China's development but don't you achieve the opposite?

 

On the Ukraine, when Russia invaded Ukraine, instead of accusing China to be an accomplice of Russia, as the US did, I think it had serve better for the US to meet Xi behind closed doors and simply put forward the American view on the invasion. You don't achieve anything if you place China into a corner.

On my personal assumption, China relying much on Ukraine's economic and agricultural products, the stance of China had been eventually much different and Putin had been sort of cornered. But the US accused China on various points on Russia and what would you expect... yes.

 

The fact that China a country which usually prefers to stay out of trouble on the international scene has repeatedly voiced against the invasion and the respect of international borders, was not taken up by the US is regrettable. I think, the pressure on Putin could have been increased, if the US had sought the right tone with China from start on this issue.

 

The last initiative for peace from China is also a sign to me that China is very unhappy of the continuing conflict. In my personal view, the European leaders, the US and other parts of the world (India?) should take also an initiative to put together a peace seeking committee made of certain neutral countries to talk to both parties.

 

Moving at the current lines probably will not bring peace.

 

While in general I might be critical on China, it is due to past events and that aggressive stance on certain matters (South China Sea). I am sure also Singaporeans can recognise that China in the past 20 years has not played with fair cards and terms...

 

 

 

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, Why? said:

He is so eager to learn everything I know that I find him to be somewhat bothersome. It was similar to a kid who didn't bother to do his homework but instead showed up to class to monopolize the teacher's time by asking excessively pointless questions...  blah, blah, blah.

 

Now that so many international leaders, including our prime minister, are waiting in line to meet with President Xi whose hands are full with goodies for the world, I would rather focus on what will happen next than listen to so many tedious questions from pro-American apologists here.

 

BYE!

 

You are having a misconception,  and not for the first time. 

 

@singalion is not eager to learn from you, ha ha.  What he is asking you is to explain, to substantiate your bizarre anti-American statements.  And I am also curious,  because such statements could only come from a person who is demented,  and I don't want to think that you are demented.

 

President Xi's hands are full with goodies for the world?  It depends on what you define as "goodies".  He is building up an impressive military,  full with weapons of mass destruction ( are these the "goodies"? ) together with tons of conventional weapons,  which he seems to be willing to share with Russia.  

 

If you are so dumb to honestly believe all the anti-America, pro-PRC false information you post here,  this is fine with me, you deserve to settle in mainland China and join the Red Army.  

 

Meanwhile, many nations that neighbor with China are very fearful of Xi's PRC, and look with concern how he is aiming at expanding his empire.  Their hopes are now with the powerful America that can be now their protection against the invading empire,  and they strengthen their alliances with the US and NATO. 

 

For many decades now, America and the European nations have aimed at world peace,  tired of all the horrible conflicts of last century.  But now,  seeing how the giant Evil Empire and Russia again are training their muscles on steroids, the military arms industry will have a blast producing modern weapons in the West, which has been and still is at the cutting edge of technology.   

[Mojohomme]

i believe trump did the right thing to awaken the world on china threat. he is a businessman, so he does thing the business way.