Guest Guest Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 On 3/5/2022 at 4:51 PM, singalion said: It added that the Catholic Church does not condone the marginalisation of those who do not subscribe to its values, including the LGBT+ community. "Likewise, we ask that others who do not subscribe to our values, also respect our right to exercise our religious beliefs without fear or favour," said the archdiocese. Muis in its statement welcomed the Government's commitment to maintaining the family norms and values in Singapore, and called for all to be treated with respect and compassion. Did I just wake up and found myself in a different reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And then Posted March 6, 2022 Report Share Posted March 6, 2022 Frankly, who I want sleep with, as long as they are consenting adults, should have NOTHING to do with these religious groups. Why the fuck should they even have a say in it?! We are not even talking about conducting same sex marriage in their institutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cow pay cow boo Posted March 6, 2022 Report Share Posted March 6, 2022 On 3/6/2022 at 4:51 PM, And then said: Frankly, who I want sleep with, as long as they are consenting adults, should have NOTHING to do with these religious groups. Why the fuck should they even have a say in it?! We are not even talking about conducting same sex marriage in their institutions I can almost guarantee and assure you there are a lot of closeted gays among the leadership of these religions. By wanting 377a retained they are trying to curb themselves of their own sexual urges. I can imagine with 377a removed they will be very TEMPTED to finally indulge in gay sex with abandon after abandonment of respective faiths! 🤭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejszaka Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/6/2022 at 4:51 PM, And then said: Frankly, who I want sleep with, as long as they are consenting adults, should have NOTHING to do with these religious groups. Why the fuck should they even have a say in it?! We are not even talking about conducting same sex marriage in their institutions 👍👏 I couldn't agree more. 377A is part of the archaic outdated penal code. Singapore law and society is secular, meant to govern people to not 'break rules'. What has anything related to the law got to do with religion? It's not like once 377A is struck down, religious groups must now throw their scriptures out the window, or re-write it. And then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 3:15 PM, ejszaka said: 👍👏 I couldn't agree more. 377A is part of the archaic outdated penal code. Singapore law and society is secular, meant to govern people to not 'break rules'. What has anything related to the law got to do with religion? It's not like once 377A is struck down, religious groups must now throw their scriptures out the window, or re-write it. Unfortunately, they have something to say as these religious groups are part of the "social fabric" and also unfortunately they are more vocal than the "common" people. From their responses in that article I actually read that they won't voice much contra and probably will give in. It should be a logic consequence from the Court judgment that 377A has no longer any place in the Penal code. Now, we have to wait if any amendment will be made, sooner or later to remove 377A. What we should do is to get some "experts" who will point to the wrong idea that removing 377A has something to do with homosexual marriage or adoption. This takes the hot air out of the discussion and blows the wind into the correct direction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Academy award Posted March 7, 2022 Report Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/7/2022 at 9:31 PM, singalion said: From their responses in that article I actually read that they won't voice much contra and probably will give in. What we should do is to get some "experts" who will point to the wrong idea that removing 377A has something to do with homosexual marriage or adoption. This takes the hot air out of the discussion and blows the wind into the correct direction... That's because against the backdrop of other advanced economies' recognition of LGBT rights, they have been amazingly victorious - govt has so far been very "obedient" towards them, bending over backwards to accommodate them, even appearing oppressive, discriminating, backwards, wishy washy, irresponsible, cowardly and lack of leadership among the more socially advanced liberals and international community. If under such fetching circumstances they still vocalised stridently, they may risk antagonising even the silent majority by acting like some entitled and demanding divas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 8, 2022 Report Share Posted March 8, 2022 I have the sneaking suspicion Shamugam now has us all fooled, even the pink dot organisers this time were fooled by him. Like as if parliament will really change their policies to accommodate LGBT community more, without first repealing 377A. The parliament can repeal 377A, but they had refused to do it, and now acting as if they want to consider policy changes first before the law can play catch up. Putting the carts before the horses much? What a load of hogwash just to delay for the time being what they need to do ultimately! 😡 As if this is not lying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 I stumbled on this discussion ... Interesting that two Malays talk quite "modern" about the topic, which contradicts that traditionalist pre-text in keeping it. They just acknowledge that gays are here and the society should adapt to it... The discussion moves a bit slow at the start... but it gives insight on the "family justification" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Honest View Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 Of all governments in the world, I don't trusted ours when it comes to treating Gay people with fairness and equality. Even Ukraine government has legalised Gay in their country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IMHO Posted March 17, 2022 Report Share Posted March 17, 2022 There are WAAAAAY too many loudmouthed Muslims, Christians and conservatives boomers in this tiny country. There needs to be a "none of your business" new law enacted to shut these people's traps - like sewn, superglued and stapled shut. For good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Physics. Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 10:15 PM, Guest IMHO said: There are WAAAAAY too many loudmouthed Muslims, Christians and conservatives boomers in this tiny country. Their loud mouth is determined by how small the size of our leader's balls. When one is deflated, the other will inflate, vice versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/18/2022 at 10:27 AM, Guest Physics. said: Their loud mouth is determined by how small the size of our leader's balls. When one is deflated, the other will inflate, vice versa Yes, agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Proposal Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 To solve the "culture war" so to speak, parliament should enact a new law to prohibit harassing critique, remark and interference on others' sexual orientation and gender identity. They could name it the "mind your own fucking (literally, no pun intended) business" law. Penalties include an up to $10000 fine and community service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Acting for show Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 7:07 PM, singalion said: Interesting that two Malays talk quite "modern" about the topic, which contradicts that traditionalist pre-text in keeping it. Indeed. Talk only ma for show in front of rolling camera. IRL especially in private they will be like "this is haram they should stick it where the sun don't shine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Odd Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 7:07 PM, singalion said: I stumbled on this discussion ... Interesting that two Malays talk quite "modern" about the topic, which contradicts that traditionalist pre-text in keeping it. They just acknowledge that gays are here and the society should adapt to it... The discussion moves a bit slow at the start... but it gives insight on the "family justification" . As editors in chief the host and guest's English are quite abysmal. Are their publications in other languages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted March 18, 2022 Report Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/18/2022 at 1:51 PM, Guest Proposal said: To solve the "culture war" so to speak, parliament should enact a new law to prohibit harassing critique, remark and interference on others' sexual orientation and gender identity. They could name it the "mind your own fucking (literally, no pun intended) business" law. Penalties include an up to $10000 fine and community service. There were amendments to the Religious harmony act that intends to cover attacks against LGBT in 2020. Published 2 Mar 2020, 4:47 pm SGT SINGAPORE - The recently amended religious harmony law protects both religious groups as well as non-religious ones, like the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community, said Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam on Monday (March 2). It does so by dealing with both groups equally, he told Parliament, as the new provisions in the Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act (MRHA) not only reduce conflicts between and within religious groups, but also prevent religion from being used as a basis to attack groups that may not be of a religious persuasion, such as the LGBT community. Mr Shanmugam recounted that many LGBT groups "have told us they felt targeted as a community". At the same time, religious groups also felt they were targeted by LGBT groups, he added. Hence, the Act was amended so that both groups would be dealt with similarly. The approach stems from the position that every Singaporean has a place in Singapore, he said. "They must feel safe and we will take actions against anyone who threatens anyone else's physical safety. We should all be free to express our individual views, but in a responsible manner." For this reason, the amended Act, in an explanatory statement, used the LGBT community as an example of what will be covered by the new provisions, Mr Shanmugam said. https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/parliament-law-protects-both-religious-groups-and-lgbt-community-from-threats-says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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