Elon Musk and Twitter

[Steve5380]

20 hours ago, auscent said:

He brought changes, however well intentioned, too drastically.

 

I think the same.  After Musk buying the company there should have been NO initial changes.   Because nothing big and urgent was out of place.  He should have implemented the changes he wanted in stages, over time, maintaining profitability and then slowly improving civility. 

[sgmaven]

It is always easy to pick at problems in a company when seeing things from the outside, and not needing to manage the stakeholders (internal and external). So, it is important to engage with these stakeholders over a period to explain what you are trying to accomplish with any changes you are embarking on. However, Elon Musk didn't do any of that when he bought Twitter. He was opaque (not explaining the financing of the purchase - he wasn't obliged to), and started firing a lot of people (without explanation), causing a lot of push back.

[singalion]

Musk sets a new record, which will bring him into the Hall of Fame for business men.... 😂

 

brilliant business genius!

 

 

Elon Musk breaks world record for largest loss of personal fortune in history

The tech billionaire has reportedly lost $182bn (£150bn) since November 2021, largely due to the drop in Tesla’s share price

 

Thu 12 Jan 2023

 

 

Elon Musk has broken the world record for the largest loss of personal fortune in history, according to a Guinness World Records report.

 

The tech billionaire has lost approximately $182bn (£150bn) since November 2021, although other sources suggest that it could actually be closer to $200bn, the report said.

 

“Musk’s net worth dropped from a peak of $320bn in 2021 to $138bn as of January 2023, largely due to the poor performance of Tesla’s stock,” the global records database said, citing figures obtained from Forbes.

 

In December, the Tesla boss lost his position as richest person in the world to Bernard Arnault, the chief executive of French luxury goods conglomerate LVMH, which owns fashion label Louis Vuitton.

 

Forbes estimates as of 12 January put Arnault’s net worth at $203.7bn (£168bn) and Musk’s at $146.5bn (£121bn).

 

The majority of Musk’s fortune is tied up in Tesla stock, the value of which plummeted 65% in a tumultuous 2022, the Guinness World Records report said.

 

The decline accelerated in October after Musk bought Twitter for roughly $44bn (£36bn), it said.

 

Growing worries about weakening demand and logistical problems have hampered deliveries for the world’s most valuable automaker.

 

As the market closed for the year on 30 December 2022, Musk tweeted: “Long-term fundamentals are extremely strong. Short-term market madness is unpredictable.”

 

 

 

[singalion]

Didn't someone claim, Twitter is winning customers ...???

 

As usual it were unbacked claims, truth distortions and falsities.

 

Here's what Twitter lost in advertising revenue in final months of 2022

 

 

NEW YORK/LONDON, Jan 19 (Reuters) - Top advertisers on Twitter slashed their spending after Elon Musk's takeover, according to estimates compiled for Reuters by research firm Pathmatics, in the latest shock to the company's dominant revenue source.

Fourteen of the top 30 advertisers on Twitter stopped all advertising on the platform after Musk took charge on October 27, according to the Pathmatics estimates. Four advertisers reduced spending between 92% and 98.7% from the week before Musk's acquisition through the end of the year.

 

Overall, advertising spending by the top 30 companies fell by 42% to an estimated $53.8 million for November and December combined, according to Pathmatics, despite an increase in spending by six of them.

 

In a November event on Twitter Spaces, Musk, addressing the issue of companies pausing ads, said that he understands if advertisers "want to give it a minute." He added that "the best way to see how things are evolving (at Twitter) is just use Twitter."

 

Technology-focused publication The Information, citing details shared by a top Twitter ad executive at a staff meeting on Wednesday, reported that Twitter's fourth quarter revenue fell about 35% year over year due to a slump in advertising.

 

Twitter posted a loss of $270 million in the three months ended June 30, on total revenue of about $1.18 billion.

 

Coca-Cola Co (KO.N) halted spending in mid November, after purchasing an estimated $1.1 million in Twitter ads earlier that month, while HBO spending collapsed to approximately $38,000 in December from roughly $1.1 million in November.

 

Among consumer brands, Heinz ketchup maker Kraft Heinz Co(KHC.O) and Stouffers meal manufacturer Nestle SA (NESN.S) stopped all advertising, according to the Pathmatics estimates. Heinz and Nestle declined to comment.

 

Mass retailer Target Corp (TGT.N) and department store operator Kohls Corp (KSS.N) also skipped advertising on Twitter on Black Friday, one of the biggest shopping days of the year.

 

AT&T said it paused advertising in September because of "concerns around content appearing next" to its ads. The company has been talking to Twitter about its concerns, according to a person familiar with AT&T's thinking.

 

Mars said its "suspension remains in effect."

 

Companies also scaled back on tweeting. As of January 19, Target and Special K cereal maker Kellogg Co (K.N) hadn't tweeted since October; Coca-Cola and electronics retailer Best Buy Co Inc(BBY.N) paused tweeting in November, according to a Reuters review of the company's main feeds.

 

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

 

 

Elon Musk broke law with threat to Tesla workers’ stock options, court rules

Appeal judges uphold previous ruling, citing ‘implied threat’ in CEO’s tweet directed at Fremont employees who wanted to join union

 

Sat 1 Apr 2023

 

A US appeals court has ruled that Elon Musk violated federal labour law by tweeting that employees of Tesla would lose stock options if they joined a union.

The New Orleans-based 5th US circuit court of appeals upheld a decision by the US National Labor Relations Board that said the 2018 tweet amounted to an unlawful threat that could discourage unionising and ordered Musk to delete it.

In Friday’s case, Tesla had argued that the tweet about unionising was not a threat and merely reflected the fact that union workers at other auto companies did not receive stock options.

But a three-judge panel disagreed.

“Substantial evidence supports the NLRB’s conclusion that the tweet is an implied threat to end stock options as retaliation for unionization,” the panel wrote.

 

 

 

[Guest Derelict]

Don't why twitter always ask if it was me who signed in. 

[singalion]

 

Ha ha. more hypocrites exposed.

 

Wasn't his motive to buy Twitter to ensure Free Speech? and now he blocks links.

 

Musk is just another opinionated ignorant bad brat.

Every day he reveals his true self.

 

All his sayings are just lame empty words!

 

 

Musk’s Twitter blocks links to rival platform

8 April 2023

 

Twitter

 

It is Twitter’s second attempt to restrict links to other online platforms.

 

 

 

San francisco Elon Musks Twitter tries again to make it difficult for its users to interact with a competing online service.

 

Links to the Substack blog platform have been blocked since the weekend. A few days ago, Substack announced a service called Notes, which would become a competitor for Twitter could become.

 

Links to content on Substack are blocked with the reference that they have been classified as potentially unsafe. “We hope this is a bug and temporary,” the Substack founders wrote in a response.

 

Twitter owner Musk, who also acts as the sole spokesman for the platform after the press department was dissolved, initially did not comment. Musk paid around 44 billion dollars for Twitter and, after a slump in sales, is trying to boost business with subscription income, among other things.

 

With Substack, everyone can publish their texts and also market them as a newsletter in a subscription model. Among other things, some well-known journalists became self-employed and earn money with subscriptions. The authors used Twitter to direct their followers there to the Substack posts.

 

Twitter also used to have a newsletter platform called Revue, but it was shut down after Musk took it over in the fall. Many Revue users then ended up at Substack.

 

 

Twitter had already tried to restrict links to other online platforms in January. Among other things, they were affected Facebook, Instagram and Twitter alternative Mastodon. The move was quickly reversed after heavy criticism.

 

Now the substack lock is also causing discord in the Musk camp. US journalist Matt Taibbi, hired by Musk to provide access to internal documents to uncover alleged abuses and government censorship at the platform, announced he would prefer his Substack presence to Twitter. Musk then unfollowed Taibbi’s profile.

 

 

 

 

Propagate of Free Speech, Musk? forget it!

 

 

 

 

[singalion]

Tech ·Twitter

Substack was hamstrung by Twitter right after it announced a rival service

BYSteve Mollman

April 8, 2023

 

Twitter under Elon Musk has been unpredictable, to say the least. In its latest surprise move, the social network abruptly altered the way it interacts with Substack, a popular newsletter platform. The change came right after Substack announced Notes, a Twitter-like service.

 

 

Substack announced Notes on Wednesday, explaining that users “will be able to post short-form content” on “almost anything—including posts, quotes, comments, images, and links.”

Shortly after, Twitter began hamstringing Substack. Now, Twitter blocks likes, retweets, and comments on tweets that have a link to a Substack newsletter. And Substack writers can no longer embed tweets when creating a post on Substack. The issue seems to be only affecting Substack and no other platforms.

Substack CEO and cofounder Chris Best tweeted Friday, “We hope this action was made in error and is only temporary, because writers deserve the freedom to share whatever links they want. But this is bigger than Twitter. It shows why it's so important for writers to own their relationship with their audience.”

Twitter did not reply to Fortune’s request for comment. Although it did not give a reason for its moves against Substack, several online critics remarked on the timing.

Theo Priestley, author of the 2021 book The Future Starts Now, tweeted that Twitter was “most likely” suppressing Substack because of the Notes announcement. “Twitter doesn't want you to use it,” he wrote.

"A day after [Substack] announced its own Twitter-like service called Notes, Twitter seems to now be blocking the ability to embed tweets within Substack posts," wrote conservative pundit Parker Molloy. "Quite literally the worst thing about Twitter these days (in my opinion) is that things change on a total whim. Every day, we open the site to find something new that has changed for no clear reason."

Substack differs from social media giants in that it focuses on subscriptions rather than advertising for revenue. Newsletter writers themselves decide how much to charge for subscriptions, and how widely to make their work available.

 

“The ultimate goal on this platform is to convert casual readers into paying subscribers,” Substack wrote in its Notes announcement. “In this system, the vast majority of the financial rewards go to the creators of the content.”

Substack issued a statement Friday in which it said it was “disappointed that Twitter has chosen to restrict writers’ ability to share their work…their livelihoods should not be tied to platforms where they don’t own their relationship with their audience, and where the rules can change on a whim.”

Whimsical changes have been commonplace on Twitter since Musk’s $44 billion takeover last year. Last weekend, Twitter removed the blue check mark from the New York Times account on the platform in the start of a purge of “legacy blue checks.” Before Musk, the marks were free and served to verify the identity of notable accounts; now the company wants users to pay a monthly fee for them.

In December, the company suddenly forbade users from linking out to competing social networks, only to quickly reverse that decision. Paul Graham, a widely respected venture capitalist who’s been supportive of Musk, had his account briefly suspended because of the policy change after he mentioned his account on Mastodon.

Musk tweeted in December: “Twitter should be easy to use, but no more relentless free advertising of competitors. No traditional publisher allows this and neither will Twitter.”

The new Notes service will not likely pose much of a threat to Twitter or other established social media giants. As Substack wrote in its announcement: “The incumbents are entrenched.”

But on Friday afternoon, Substack tweeted: “Any platform that benefits from writers’ and creators’ work but doesn’t give them control over their relationships will inevitably wonder how to respond to the platforms that do.”

 

[Steve5380]

It is kind of baffling the activity  Elon Musk invests in Twitter!  Why does he want to act like another shitty republican trouble maker?   Doesn't he have better things to do,  enjoying his wealth with beautiful women and men in a fast lane?  He already burned up half of twitter's original value...  20 billion dollars could bring so much enjoyment!   If nothing else, he could have used it for some charity work!   Ah no,  why should HE do charity?  Isn't this for losers?

 

He might be a brilliant technologist, but... isn't he acting like a moron?

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Edited April 10, 2023 by Steve5380

[singalion]

 

 

BBC objects to being branded ‘government-funded media’ on Twitter

10 April 2023

 

The BBC has objected to being labelled as “government-funded media” on its main Twitter account.

 

The outlet reported that while its main account @BBC, which has 2.2m followers, has been given the label, other accounts that have a larger following associated with the BBC’s news and sport output are not currently being described in the same way.

 

The British broadcaster said that it was speaking to the social media giant about the label, to resolve the issue “as soon as possible”.

 

 

The BBC said in a statement: “The BBC is, and always has been, independent. We are funded by the British public through the licence fee.”

 

In an email response to the broadcaster, Twitter CEO Elon Musk asked: “Is the Twitter label accurate?”

 

 

When asked to clarify his comments in a separate email with the broadcaster, Mr Musk said: “We are aiming for maximum transparency and accuracy. Linking to ownership and source of funds probably makes sense. I do think media organizations should be self-aware and not falsely claim the complete absence of bias.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[singalion]

and now another Elon Musk U-Turn...

 

 

Musk admits BBC ‘among least biased’ in row over Twitter ‘government-funded media’ tag

Designation added by Twitter to @BBC account is at odds with corporation’s public funding model and constitutional independence

 

Mon 10 Apr 2023

 

 

Elon Musk has described the BBC as “among the least biased” media organisations after the broadcaster objected to being labelled as “government-funded media” on Twitter.

The BBC contacted Twitter after the designation was attached to the main @BBC account. The label links through to a page on Twitter’s help centre that says “state-affiliated media” are outlets where the government “exercises control over editorial content” in various ways.

The BBC added in its statement: “The BBC is, and always has been, independent. We are funded by the British public through the licence fee.”

Since 1927, the BBC has operated through a Royal Charter agreed with the government that states the corporation “must be independent”, particularly over “editorial and creative decisions, the times and manner in which its output and services are supplied, and in the management of its affairs”.

 

 

[Why?]

6 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

It is kind of baffling the activity  Elon Musk invests in Twitter!  Why does he want to act like another shitty republican trouble maker? He might be a brilliant technologist, but... isn't he acting like a moron?

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The problem is generation gap between you and him or was it wealth gap?  Your pick. 

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Why? said:

The problem is generation gap between you and him or was it wealth gap?  Your pick. 

 

Yes, there is a big wealth gap and some age gap (29 years).  But more important is the ideological gap, the empathy gap.

[Why?]

14 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Yes, there is a big wealth gap and some age gap (29 years).  But more important is the ideological gap, the empathy gap.

His ideology makes him a high tech guru, your ideology is spreading lies.  I can see the huge gap.

[singalion]

 

Self proclaimed high tech guru...

 

At the age of 24, Musk started a doctoral program in physics at Stanford in 1995 but dropped out after two days.

 

In 1990, he entered Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. Two years later, he transferred to the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn), where he completed studies for a Bachelor of Arts degree in physics and a Bachelor of Science degree in economics from the Wharton School. Although Musk claims he earned the degrees in 1995, UPenn maintains it awarded them in 1997. He reportedly hosted large, ticketed house parties to help pay for tuition

 

Musk studied 7 years, which is very unusual in the US... (too many parties or did he sit on the ticket booth too long?)

 

 

Edited April 11, 2023 by singalion

[Steve5380]

On 4/10/2023 at 10:02 PM, Why? said:

His ideology makes him a high tech guru, your ideology is spreading lies.  I can see the huge gap.

 

It is not that my ideology is spreading lies,  but I recognize that I and some others here we are the reason you spread so many lies here.   You spread your lies trying to irritate us.    But the reality is that instead of irritating,  you are revealing yourself as a big liar.  A huge gap!

[7heaven]

If Musk is not a tech guru, why NASA of the US government is working with SpaceX for NASA’s Artemis Program? 

NASA had selected SpaceX to create a moon lander for human exploration. The moon lander will carry 2 American astronauts to the lunar surface as part of Artemis III and Artemis IV program. 
 

To the dense and uninformed imbeciles, Musk founded SpaceX. 

[7heaven]

Just now, 7heaven said:

If Musk is not a tech guru, why NASA of the US government is working with SpaceX for NASA’s Artemis Program? 

NASA had selected SpaceX to create a moon lander for human exploration. The moon lander will carry 2 American astronauts to the lunar surface as part of Artemis III and Artemis IV program. 
 

To the dense and uninformed imbeciles, Musk founded SpaceX. 

 

Here is a US government representative called Kamala Harris yakking about Artemis mission.
 

 If Musk is not a tech guru, why would the US government work with Musk’s company SpaceX to put Americans on the moon? 

 

 

[singalion]

oh, someone is back posting from RNC (Republican National Committee), the party organisation of the Republicans.

 

 

At least 8 Members here posted before that quoting from RNC twitter or RNC is just so lame.

 

 

In that case I can also post something from Fox Media...

=> Truth doubtful, bias > exceeding 150%

 

 

 

[singalion]

Where is the substantiation that Musk played any role in the development of anything of Space X?

 

does that mean Musk is a tech guru if he runs a company as CEO???

 

Nonsensical.

[singalion]

 

 

Six things we learned from Elon Musk interview

13 April 2023 BBC

 

Elon Musk has defended how he runs Twitter in a rare and wide-ranging interview with the BBC.

The world's second richest man was questioned for nearly an hour by the BBC's technology correspondent James Clayton at Twitter headquarters in San Francisco.

Here are six things we learned.

 

1. He denies hate speech on Twitter has spiked

Mr Musk refused to accept there was more hateful content on the platform since he took over.

Speaking to the BBC earlier this year, some Twitter insiders have argued that the company is no longer able to protect users from trolling, state-coordinated disinformation and child sexual exploitation, following lay-offs and changes under owner Mr Musk.

In March, Twitter said it removed 400,000 accounts in one month alone to help "make Twitter safer".

 

In order to assess Mr Musk's claims fully you'd need two things which we don't have at present - access to Twitter's data before and after his takeover and, crucially, a clear understanding of how he defines misinformation and hate speech.

There is no blanket definition of hate speech under American law, which is generally much more permissive than other countries because of the first amendment to the US Constitution.

 

 

3. He says Twitter is beating the bots in war on disinfo

Mr Musk claimed his efforts to delete bots - automated accounts - had decreased misinformation on Twitter after his takeover.

"My experience is there is less misinformation rather than more," he told our reporter.

 

Some outside experts disagree. A study from Newsguard which tracks online misinformation - and there are quite a few other studies along the same lines - found that engagement with popular, misinformation-spreading accounts spiked after Mr Musk's takeover.

In the week following his acquisition of Twitter, the most popular, untrustworthy accounts enjoyed an almost 60% increase in engagement in the form of likes and retweets, according to the survey.

The BBC has also independently analysed more than 1,000 previously-banned accounts that had been let back on Twitter after Mr Musk's takeover, and found that since being reinstated, over a third of them had spread abuse or misinformation.

This included false anti-vax claims, misogyny and anti-LGBT rhetoric, and the denial of the 2020 US election result.

 

 

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

 

 

 

Twitter and hate speech: What's the evidence?

 

13 April 2023

 

Among the topics discussed during Elon Musk's interview with the BBC was the prevalence of hate speech and misinformation on the platform.

"Do you see a rise of hate speech?" Mr Musk said. "I don't."

He asked our reporter James Clayton for specific examples of hateful content.

When he couldn't pinpoint individual messages, Mr Musk said: "You don't know what you're talking about… you just lied."

It's prompted intense criticism on Twitter itself, mostly - but certainly not exclusively - from right-wing and far-right accounts.

What evidence is there?

But there are both in-depth studies and anecdotal evidence that suggest hate speech has been growing under Mr Musk's tenure.

 

Several fringe characters that were banned under the previous management have been reinstated.

They include Andrew Anglin, founder of the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer website, and Liz Crokin, one of the biggest propagators of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

Other lesser-known Twitter users have taken advantage of the new ownership. One account with a racial slur in its user name was able to get a blue checkmark. Another one was purchased by a neo-Nazi who tweets videos of himself reciting Mein Kampf - Hitler's autobiography.

Anti-Semitic tweets doubled from June 2022 to February 2023, according to research from the Institute of Strategic Dialogue (ISD). The same study found that takedowns of such content also increased, but not enough to keep pace with the surge.

The ISD also found an increase of nearly 70% in Islamic State accounts - a problem that was once huge on Twitter, but had been reduced to a trickle by account bans.

The Center for Countering Digital Hate, a London-based campaign group, found that slurs increased substantially after Mr Musk's takeover.

 

Our own reporting also provides some clues. The BBC analysed over 1,100 previously banned Twitter accounts that were reinstated under Mr Musk. A third appeared to violate Twitter's own guidelines. Some of the most extreme depicted rape and drawings showing child sexual abuse. Such content was also a scourge on Twitter for years before Mr Musk acquired the platform.

But a BBC investigation heard from Twitter insiders who expressed concern that the company is no longer able to protect users from trolling, state-co-ordinated disinformation and child sexual exploitation.

 

 

Researchers and journalists have focused on the most extreme content - not mere jokes or insults, but highly abusive language. Critics have pointed out, however, that Mr Musk's own definition of hate speech isn't clear.

And he recently ended free access to Twitter's application programming interface or API - data that researchers use to study the platform.

Without such data it will be hard to objectively study the issue going forward. Mr Musk has previously said he boosted transparency by making Twitter's algorithm open-source.

Mr Musk said his efforts to delete bots - automated accounts - has decreased misinformation on Twitter since his takeover. And he cited the site's community notes feature, where users themselves can comment and add context to tweets.

"My experience is there is less misinformation rather than more," he told our reporter.

Some outside experts disagree. An early study from NewsGuard, a company that tracks online misinformation, found that engagement with popular, misinformation-spreading accounts spiked after Mr Musk's takeover.

 

The BBC's own analysis found false anti-vax claims and the denial of the 2020 US election result among the sample of more than 1,000 reinstated accounts.

Mr Musk says that he's on the side of truth and believes that his strategy will make Twitter better in the long run.

"The acid test is people use the system and find it to be a good source of truth, or they don't," Mr Musk told our reporter. "And no system is going to perfect in its pursuit of the truth, but I think we can be the best, the least inaccurate."

Mr Musk said he prefers "ordinary people" to information from journalists, at several points challenging the BBC's technology correspondent with questions of his own.

But Mr Musk himself was not fully accurate when describing the BBC's reporting. At one point he claimed that the BBC had not reported on Covid vaccine side effects.

But the BBC has reported on proven, very rare side effects when they emerged, and examples can be found online - for instance here, here and here.

Edited April 13, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

 

 

The haters and conspiracy theorists back on Twitter

 

Disinformation team

BBC Monitoring

 

Hundreds of accounts that were recently allowed back on Twitter have been spreading abuse or misinformation, a BBC investigation has found.

In exclusive research, BBC Monitoring analysed over 1,100 previously banned Twitter accounts that were reinstated under new owner Elon Musk.

We found evidence of problematic content posted on the platform in over a third of them.

Mr Musk says he is a "free speech absolutist". In November, he announced a "general amnesty" to suspended accounts that had "not broken the law or engaged in egregious spam".

Twitter's rules prohibit violence, direct attacks and threats towards others on the basis of, for example, race, sexual orientation and gender, as well as slurs, tropes or other content that intends to "dehumanise, degrade or reinforce negative or harmful stereotypes".

The site also claims to take a "zero tolerance" approach towards any material that features or promotes child sexual exploitation.

 

However our research indicated a number of the reinstated accounts appear to be breaking these rules.

• Nearly 190 accounts in our dataset were promoting hate and violence, including depictions of rape as well as abuse directed at women and the LGBT community
• We also found a small number of accounts containing drawings that appear to show child sexual exploitation
• We additionally found over 270 accounts that have spread misinformation, mainly about elections and Covid vaccines. However, not all such content would violate Twitter's existing rules.

Image caption,

Twitter says its rules still prohibit hateful, abusive and violent content, and the site takes a "zero tolerance" approach towards child sexual exploitation

We limited our data set to accounts reinstated between 27 October 2022 - the first day of Mr Musk's takeover - and January 10, only including profiles with over 10,000 followers.

These accounts are just a portion of the thousands that have been allowed back on Twitter in recent months.

To identify problematic content, we used a combination of keyword searches and manual analysis of dozens - and at times hundreds - of posts on each account in our dataset. Where possible, we also noted known reasons for previous suspensions.

So what types of accounts are back from Twitter jail?

The many faces of hate

Image caption,

Returning Twitter accounts included those spreading hate towards women

Among the Twitter returnees in our dataset there were accounts with a history of making misogynistic comments.

 

One well known to many is Andrew Tate, an online influencer who's previously said women should bear some responsibility for being raped. He's currently detained in Romania as part of a human trafficking and rape investigation.

Since being reinstated his following on the platform has ballooned - going from 150,000 in November 2022 to five million currently.

Among some lesser known users promoting misogyny was one who said he knows a woman is "fine" when he wants to beat her up. Another, after being allowed back, posted a video depicting a rape.

A group repeatedly targeted was the LGBT community.

We saw tweets disparagingly referring to them as "sick humans", "groomers" and "paedophiles".

Imran Ahmed, from the Centre for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), says his organisation has seen an increase in hateful terminology towards women and LGBT groups since Mr Musk took over Twitter, as well as racist slurs.

 

He claims that by not adequately reviewing all the suspended accounts before allowing them back on Twitter, "what [Musk] has done is essentially turn on the fire hose, allowing hate and disinformation to flood the platform".

Perhaps the most disturbing findings from this investigation were two accounts with images depicting child sexual abuse.

They weren't real-life pictures, but drawings.

We reported this content to Twitter, who have since suspended one of the accounts and removed a problematic image from another.

Yet a few weeks ago we found and reported through Twitter's own site yet another account posting similar images.

At the time of writing, the account was still active.

The return of election deniers

Image caption,

The "stop the steal" hashtag has been widely used by election deniers in the US

Over a hundred accounts in our dataset spread false and misleading claims about elections and their outcome.

For instance, some users incorrectly suggested former President Jair Bolsonaro had won both rounds of the presidential vote in Brazil.

Others wrongly claimed that Donald Trump "won by a landslide" in the 2020 presidential election in the US.

Some of the Trump supporters even celebrated their return to Twitter with posts echoing false election claims.

Mike Lindell, the CEO of MyPillow and one of the biggest proponents of the bogus theory that the 2020 election was influenced by fraud, tweeted: "I'm back!! Thank you @elonmusk and by the way melt down the electronic voting machines and turn them into prison bars!"

Twitter says it may label or remove false or misleading information about elections and their outcome.

At the time of writing, none of the posts we saw spreading such claims about elections have been labelled.

False vaccine claims going unchecked

Image caption,

Twitter stopped enforcing its Covid-19 misinformation policy in November, allowing some anti-vaxxers to return

In November, Twitter stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy, prompting some of the notable spreaders of coronavirus myths and vaccine misinformation to come back.

Among them were Dr Robert Malone, who has made misleading claims casting doubt on the effectiveness and safety of Covid vaccines, and cardiologist Peter McCullough, who has pushed false claims that Covid vaccines are killing large numbers of people.

Evidence from different independent scientists all over the world, as well as the experiences of over five billion people, have shown that Covid vaccines are safe and effective and serious side effects are rare.

We also encountered numerous posts baselessly linking people's "sudden deaths" to vaccines, and in at least one instance that led to the harassment of a bereaved parent.

The majority of the reinstated accounts in our data set did not promote outright misinformation or hateful content. Sometimes it was even unclear why an account had been suspended in the first place.

Yet for others, the amnesty seems to have been an opportunity to repeat the kind of behaviour that led to their ban.

At the time of writing, just over a dozen accounts in our dataset of more than 1,100 had been independently resuspended.

We contacted Twitter for comment but they have not replied.

 

[singalion]

Elon Musk slams BBC journalist on Twitter hate speech: ‘You don’t know what…'

Apr 13, 2023

 

Elon Musk: Elon Musk accused the journalist of lying after he claimed there had been an increase in hate speech on Twitter.

 

 

In a wide-ranging interview, Twitter CEO Elon Musk accused the BBC of covering up the side-effects of Covid vaccines saying that the media organisation had double standards.

Elon Musk BBC Interview: Elon Musk talks to BBC reporter.

 

“Does the BBC hold itself at all responsible for misinformation regarding masking and the side effects of vaccinations. And not reporting on that at all And what about the fact that the BBC was put under pressure by the British government to change editorial policy?", Elon Musk said combatively when asked about misinformation on Twitter.

 

During the surprise interview at Twitter's San Francisco offices, Elon Musk accused the journalist of lying after he claimed there had been an increase in hate speech on Twitter.

 

 

 

“I say sir that you don't know what you are talking about... because you cannot give me a single example of hateful content, not even one tweet. You claimed that hateful content is high. That is false, you just lied," Elon Musk said.

The journalist- James Clayton- defended his claim by citing an organisation that had warned about a rise in hateful posts on the social media platform.

 

But Elon Musk insisted that hate speech had fallen, saying, “People will say all sorts of nonsense.” On BBC's “government funded media” twitter label, Elon Musk said, “We want it to be as truthful and accurate as possible – we’re adjusting the label. I know the BBC wasn't thrilled about being labelled state affiliated media.”

 

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

 

Elon Musk's ‘Troll Heaven’ Turned Twitter Into Advertiser Hell

Twitter’s owner is creating a place where the loudest and roughest inhabitants set the tone and his dog’s the CEO. That’s a hard sell for businesses. 

 

12 April 2023

 

 

But also on the agenda was an assurance that Twitter’s advertisers were “returning” and, as a result, the company was “roughly” at breakeven. “We could be cashflow positive this quarter if things keep going well,” Musk predicted. Since Twitter is a private company, we have to take Musk’s word for it. 

 

Insider Intelligence, the well-respected data-research group, sees a very different picture. “Many big agencies still haven’t advised clients to end their pause [on advertising with the company],” wrote analyst Jasmine Enberg. “We expect Twitter’s worldwide ad revenues to plummet by 27.9% this year as advertisers continue to pull back spending.”

Enberg noted research from digital-economy research shop Sensor Tower that said spending by Twitter’s top 10 advertisers — which include Amazon.com Inc., IBM Corp., and Coca-Cola Co. — had fallen 89% in February and March 2023 compared with the pre-Musk September to October 2022. The recently revamped paid verification service, Twitter Blue, won’t come close to making up the shortfall.

Twitter's worldwide advertising revenue

Projections suggest a steep decline as advertisers hesitate to get on board with Elon Musk

Source: Insider Intelligence

 

Yet Troll Heaven — let’s call it that now? — is not the sort of place most sensible advertisers would choose to insert their brands.

 

A private email thread between top advertising executives, published earlier this month by news site Semafor ahead of a major industry conference next week, gave a glimpse into the fears of major brands. Tariq Hassan, chief marketing officer at McDonald’s Corp., said Musk’s ownership of Twitter “objectively can only be characterized as ranging from chaos to moments of irresponsibility.” Colgate-Palmolive Co. Vice President Diana Haussling added that she had to be “mindful of the harmful and often racist rhetoric of Elon Musk.”

 

 

 

[7heaven]

4 hours ago, 7heaven said:

 

Here is a US government representative called Kamala Harris yakking about Artemis mission.
 

 If Musk is not a tech guru, why would the US government work with Musk’s company SpaceX to put Americans on the moon? 

 

 

If Musk were not a tech guru, how did he manage to start SpaceX from scratch and steer SpaceX to such success, even winning contract from US government NASA to put humans on the moon once again. 
 

Musk’s vision, tenacity and technical prowess are unmatched. We wonder how many PhDs graduates are working under Musk in his various successful companies such as Tesla and SpaceX. If Musk is not a tech guru, why would these experts work for him? In fact, Musk probably is one of those in the panel who assess their technical skills before hiring them. 

[Why?]

19 hours ago, singalion said:

Apr 13, 2023

Elon Musk: Elon Musk accused the journalist of lying after he claimed there had been an increase in hate speech on Twitter.

 

 

Why am I not surprised at all?  Elon Musk is helping me to expose the constant lies spewed by Western medias and some members here.  It is a wake up call for Steve5380 & Singalion. 

 

Good job Elon Musk!!.  

Edited April 14, 2023 by Why?

[singalion]

When in fact Twitter and Musk was proven false... ha ha

 

You can listen to your conspiracy channels, go ahead...

 

 

While your post is also nonsencial, as Twitter is part of "Western" Media, same as that lie channel Fox. You are contradicting yourself or better said falling over your own feet...

 

But also go ahead and read the Xi Jinping mainland China media... if you think these are more reliable...

 

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

San Francisco DA blasts Elon Musk over reaction to stabbing death

District Attorney Brooke Jenkins said Musk was reckless when he suggested within hours of the killing that “repeat violent offenders” were involved.

 

April 14, 2023

SAN FRANCISCO — In the hours after a tech executive was stabbed to death on a street in San Francisco with no clear suspect, billionaire Elon Musk led a charge on Twitter, where fellow tech executives and wealthy investors said they were fed up with violent repeat offenders’ getting away with crime in the biggest U.S. tech hub. 

On Thursday, it became clear that their interpretation of the killing had been wrong. 

 

City officials said at a news conference that the tech executive, Bob Lee, was murdered not randomly but by a man he knew, and San Francisco’s chief prosecutor called out Musk by name for having jumped to conclusions. 

District Attorney Brooke Jenkins said Musk was reckless when he suggested within hours of the killing that “repeat violent offenders” were involved. 

“Reckless and irresponsible statements like those contained in Mr. Musk’s tweet — that assumed incorrect circumstances about Mr. Lee’s death — served to mislead the world in its perceptions of San Francisco,” Jenkins said.

 

Maybe Musk should give up his twitter account... seems only spreading lies and untruths lately...

 

 

[7heaven]

San Francisco DA should improve himself and improve the terrible crime and homelessness situation in the city. 
 

——————

Bob Lee killing highlights San Francisco crime fears

Bob Lee was part of the tech establishment. The former chief technical officer of Square and founder of the $40bn payment app Cash App. 

 

In the early hours of Tuesday morning, he was killed in a stabbing, in a supposedly "safe" part of San Francisco.

His death has sent a chill through the tech community. 

 

Twitter's former CEO, Jack Dorsey, called the killing heart-breaking.

 

His friend and fellow tech founder Joshua Goldbard tweeted: "Bob was like a brother to me… Bob's energy was infectious. He made friends everywhere he went." 

 

Elon Musk also added his thoughts on the killing. 
 

"Very sorry to hear that. Many people I know have been severely assaulted. Violent crime in SF is horrific."

 

San Francisco has struggled with homelessness and drug deaths in recent years. In a city reliant on the tech sector, the pandemic hit its downtown more than any other in the US - it simply hasn't been able to bounce back.

 

I often hear downtown being described as "dead" or "quiet". And in certain neighbourhoods, the city can feel unsafe, something the city's mayor has previously acknowledged. 

 

Areas around the Tenderloin (in the heart of the city) and Soma, which stands for "South of Market" can feel dystopian, particularly at night.

…

 

For its politicians, desperate to try and entice tech business back to the city, high profile killings like Mr Lee's are devastating. 

 

If influential tech companies decide to stay away, and people begin to leave, it could create what's been referred to as a "doom loop". 
 

The city's influential paper, The San Francisco Chronicle, has recently warned that the city could be in a negative spiral - and outlined how the city could "die".

…

 

The city boasts incredible talent. In many ways it has an awful lot going for it. Yet still, many people are leaving. Last year the American Housing Survey found that about 18% of San Francisco residents plan on moving in 2023. Nearly half of them said they were intending to move to a different city. 

 

And unless San Francisco can stem that tide, it's in trouble.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65191474.amp

 

[singalion]

This thread is about twitter and Musk and not about the US in general.

 

 

[7heaven]

The San Francisco DA instead of fighting crimes went to criticise Musk comments on Twitter. This makes it relevant in this thread to discuss how bad the crime and homelessness situation is in San Francisco since it is where Twitter headquarters are located. How can Twitter staff and Musk be expected to do good work in Twitter when their physical environment is not safe. It calls into question San Francisco DA’s ability to solve the crime issues. And has the DA managed to find and charge the suspect in Bob Lee’s fatal stabbing? 

[singalion]

As if the SF DA was the only one to call out Elon Musk.

 

Fact is that Musk twittered something that was untrue and false.

You just don't do that, in particular if you are the CEO of Twitter.

 

A tech CEO has been murdered and Elon Musk blames San Francisco’s ‘horrific’ rise in crime. Is he right?

San Francisco has struggled with street crime and inequality, but it’s safer than many cities in America, research shows.

 

Twitter owner Elon Musk, who vented his frustrations about the city’s violent crime.

“Many people I know have been severely assaulted,” Mr Musk tweeted on Wednesday. “Violent crime in SF is horrific and even if attackers are caught, they are often released immediately.”

 

 

How violent is San Francisco? Have city officials given up on fighting crime? And do San Francisco police really release violent offenders, as Mr Musk claims? The answer, as with so much when it comes to online debates, is far more complicated that what’s playing out on social media.

To start, the city isn’t among the most dangerous in America, according to statistics.

Despite being one of the country’s largest cities by population, San Francisco wasn’t in the top 10 cities with the highest homicide rate in the US

 

Those cities –Jackson, Mississippi; New Orleans, Louisiana; Birmingham, Alabama; St Louis, Missouri; Baltimore, Maryland; Baton Rouge, Louisiana; Detroit, Michigan; Cleveland, Ohio; Memphis, Tennessee

 

 

In fact, violent crime rates have largely been declining in San Francisco since peaking in the 1990s, with the beginning of 2022 marking the lowest level of reported violent crime since 1985, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

 

 

The city of Jackson, Mississippi, the place with the highest per capita murder rate by some measures, had nearly 13 times more murders per capita than San Francisco, according to city police data.

Meanwhile, the Bay Area tech hub, which saw 56 homicides in 2022, is in fact safer than cities with comparable populations like Indianapolis, where 210 people died last year in criminal homicides, or Charlotte-Mecklenburg, North Carolina, where 110 people were killed in 2022.

 

As The Independent has reported, despite relentless depictions in the media of liberal states like California or Illinois as the leading zones of violence in the US, red states also typically suffer the highest rates of gun violence and gun death.

 

 

DA Calls Out Elon Musk Over San Francisco Crime Comments Following Killing of Bob Lee

While we're not going to release any additional facts at this time, I must point out that reckless and irresponsible statements like those contained in Mr. Musk's tweet that assumed incorrect circumstances about Mr. Lee's death served to mislead the world in their perceptions of San Francisco and also negatively impact the pursuit of justice for victims of crime as it spreads misinformation at a time when the police are trying to solve a very difficult case. We all should and must do better about not contributing to the spread of such misinformation without having actual facts to underlie the statements that we make.

 

 

 

Elon Musk Suffers a Crushing Setback in San Francisco

The billionaire and his tech friends used the stabbing of tech investor Bob Lee to paint a political narrative, heralding the end of the city

 

"Violent crime in SF is horrific and even if attackers are caught, they are often released immediately. Is the city taking stronger action to incarcerate repeat violent offenders @BrookeJenkinsSF?" Musk reacted on Apr. 5.

The following day, the billionaire increased the pressure by claiming that San Francisco was almost dead: "Downtown SF looks like a zombie apocalypse," the billionaire said on Apr. 10. "People who’ve not been there have no idea."

For Musk, his friends, and other tech luminaries, Lee was killed by homeless people or drug addicts, who swarm certain streets of San Francisco. It was therefore the fault of the politics of the progressive politicians of the city.

The Alleged Murderer Is a Tech Bro

By pushing this narrative, they hoped to drive the "we told you so" narrative. But less than ten days after Lee's murder, a suspect has just been apprehended by the police. He is neither homeless nor a drug addict. He is another tech entrepreneur. It is Nima Momeni, an acquaintance of Lee, according to local authorities.

 

Before posting untruths, keep the fact right.

 

The twitter of Musk was premature and also false!

 

 

 

Indianapolis, in Indiana Governor is a Republican!

 

Same as Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri,...

 

I won't permit posters here to post truth distortions.

 

There is more crime in the red States in the US than most blue states.

 

=> Musk should point his fingers on those red state Governors who have for years failed in the job to reduce crime in the red governed US states instead of spreading untruths.

 

 

And if you don't know the facts, just like Musk, then you better don't post anything.

 

[7heaven]

Musk was right to call out how unsafe San Francisco has become under a certain party leadership. 

 

————

Yes, it's OK to be mad about crime in San Francisco

Let's not make excuses for Chaos City.
 

I’ve been writing for a while about how San Francisco is a city both balkanized and atomized. The various neighborhoods and communities largely keep to themselves, and people walk through the streets with their heads down, hoping that when trouble comes it’ll come for somebody else. Well, there could be no more sickening and horrifying demonstration of San Francisco’s social disintegration than the way bystanders refused to help CashApp founder Bob Lee as he bled to death on the streets:

Tragic video shows dying Cash App founder Bob Lee was ignored by bystanders as he begged for help after being stabbed in San Francisco early Tuesday…Footage showed Lee lifted his shirt to show [a] driver his two stab wounds — but collapsed to the ground as the car drove off…Lee raised one arm in an attempt to flag down [another] car and jumped back onto his feet, but the driver sped away…Police arrived less than six minutes later and found Lee unconscious with two stab wounds to the chest…He was rushed to San Francisco General Hospital, where he died.

 

The gruesome murder had the city’s tech community up in arms (Update: An arrest has been made in the case), but it wasn’t even the only prominent incidence of street violence in the city that week.

 

Local cannabis entrepreneur and former San Francisco Fire Commissioner Don Carmignani was hospitalized after being beaten by two men Wednesday night following an altercation outside his mother’s home in the Marina…Carmignani’s mother had called the police because homeless people were doing drugs outside her door and wouldn’t leave. When no police responded, her son came to talk to the men outside her door and was assaulted.

 

It seems like every day, we get another story about how the streets of SF are collapsing into chaos. A new Whole Foods in the heart of downtown, which many had heralded as a sign of urban revitalization, just closed down:

 

A City Hall source told The Standard the company cited deteriorating street conditions around drug use and crime near the grocery store as a reason for its closure…The beleaguered grocery store on Market Street slashed its operating hours due to “high theft” and hostile visitors in October of last year, according to one of the store's managers. And in November, the store enforced new bathroom rules after syringes and pipes were found in the restroom.
 

The closure is just one of many in the area over the last couple of years. A massive wave of store break-ins was responsible for many of these. 

It feels like something is breaking in the city’s politics; people who tolerated this situation for a long time are starting to demand action. Here’s a recent Chamber of Commerce survey:
 

In this year’s poll, 55 percent [of San Franciscans] said crime was a major issue up from 46 percent in 2021, and more than double the 26 percent in 2020. Overall, 83 percent of respondents told us they felt that crime has gotten worse over the last few years.
 

But the fully justifiable rage over the violent incidents, store closures and street chaos has been met with a torrent of denial — not just from Twitter shouters, but from some mainstream media outlets as well. Mission Local, the San Francisco Chronicle, SFGate, CNN, and ABC were just a few of the outlets who rushed to argue that despite Lee’s murder, San Francisco is actually a safe city. 
 

But those excuses are wearing thin. San Francisco isn’t a dangerous city in the sense that, say, St. Louis or Baltimore is. But it has a unique brand of chaos that makes a great many of its residents justifiably feel insecure walking the streets on a day-to-day basis. And though I don’t think anyone yet knows what the solution is, there’s a growing consensus in the city that something needs to be done.

 

https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-crime

[singalion]

Who is interested in some unverified surveys of fringe media?

 

Such accounts are not representative. 

 

 

Everyone has subjective feelings on crime... 

 

I can feel unsafe in Singapore...

 

Musk's claims were debunked by the statistics. 

 

When Musk is fighting for truth and facts then he should get the facts right first. 

 

Republican governed cities have much higher crime rates in the US!

 

[singalion]

Elon Musk posted untrue allegations on the murder. 

Fact is also that Republican governed US states or cities in US have much higher crime rates than San Francisco.

 

The murderer was also caught. 

 

The Alleged Murderer Is a Tech Bro

By pushing this narrative, they hoped to drive the "we told you so" narrative. But less than ten days after Lee's murder, a suspect has just been apprehended by the police. He is neither homeless nor a drug addict. He is another tech entrepreneur. It is Nima Momeni, an acquaintance of Lee, according to local authorities.

 

Musk was caught tweeting falsities and untruths. 

[7heaven]

Musk was right about pointing out how unsafe San Francisco has become. He is not the only person to feel so.
 

A new Whole Foods store had to shut down due to deteriorating street conditions around drug use and crime near the grocery store. In a survey, 83% felt that crime has gotten worse over the last few years in San Francisco. 
 

Perhaps the San Francisco law enforcement and DA should focus more about doing their job of bringing down crimes instead of spending their time on social media. Perhaps if they had done so, Bob Lee would not have been stabbed to death, and the new Whole Foods store would not have closed down. 

 

 

It seems like every day, we get another story about how the streets of SF are collapsing into chaos. A new Whole Foods in the heart of downtown, which many had heralded as a sign of urban revitalization, just closed down:

 

A City Hall source told The Standard the company cited deteriorating street conditions around drug use and crime near the grocery store as a reason for its closure…The beleaguered grocery store on Market Street slashed its operating hours due to “high theft” and hostile visitors in October of last year, according to one of the store's managers. And in November, the store enforced new bathroom rules after syringes and pipes were found in the restroom.
 

The closure is just one of many in the area over the last couple of years. A massive wave of store break-ins was responsible for many of these. 

It feels like something is breaking in the city’s politics; people who tolerated this situation for a long time are starting to demand action. Here’s a recent Chamber of Commerce survey:
 

In this year’s poll, 55 percent [of San Franciscans] said crime was a major issue up from 46 percent in 2021, and more than double the 26 percent in 2020. Overall, 83 percent of respondents told us they felt that crime has gotten worse over the last few years.

[singalion]

that troubled 7 something member is falling back to his excessive insane repetitions...

 

 

But looking at the facts San Francisco stands much better in crime now than it did 15 or 20 years back.

 

 

You just can't accept the fact that the cities with most crime are in Republican Red US states.

 

Noah is just one voice.

 

Fact is also that Elon Musk was wrong in publishing his rant that was full of untruth.

 

 

Also someone did not note that this blogger Noah Smith was paid to publish the article:

 

 

 

Yes, it's OK to be mad about crime in San Francisco

Let's not make excuses for Chaos City.

Noah Smith

12 Apr 2023 ∙ Paid

[singalion]

 

Act against truth distortions:

 

10 Most Dangerous States in the US: 2023

1. Alaska     Mike Dunleavy (Republican Party)
2. New Mexico (previous Governor Susana Martinez (Republican Party) 2011 until 2019
3. Tennessee   Bill Lee (Republican Party)
4. Arkansas  Sarah Huckabee Sanders (Republican Party)
5. Arizona  (previously Republican Doug Ducey (Republican Party) since 2009 until 2023
6. Louisiana   (only since 2016 Democrat Governor previously Republican Bobby Jindal since 2008)
7. Missouri   Mike Parson (Republican Party)
8. South Carolina  Henry McMaster (Republican Party)
9. South Dakota    Kristi Noem (Republican Party)
10. Michigan (previous Governor Rick Snyder (Republican Party) 2011 until 2019

 

 

Why so many Red US states (= Republican governed) have the highest crime rates in the US???

 

 

Why does the overview look so red also?

 

 

The above is a slap into the face of the Republican party, which indicates that they did not achieve anything in bringing crime in the US down in their Republican governed states.

 

 

Let's keep with facts!

 

 

[singalion]

Act against truth distortions:

 

15 Most Dangerous Cities in the US (2023)

 

1. St. Louis, Missouri
2. Mobile, Alabama   Kay Ivey (Republican Party)
3. Birmingham, Alabama    Kay Ivey (Republican Party)
4. Baltimore, Maryland
5. Memphis, Tennessee
6. Detroit, Michigan
7. Cleveland, Ohio   Mike DeWine (Republican Party)
8. New Orleans, Louisiana
9. Shreveport, Louisiana
10. Baton Rouge, Louisiana
11. Little Rock, Arkansas
12. Oakland, California
13. Milwaukee, Wisconsin
14. Kansas City, Missouri
15. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

 

Why so much Red colour here also???

 

Why are Republican governed States doing so bad in crime and ranking as the most dangerous cities in the US???

 

Are these Republican run US states too soft on crime or what is going on???

 

Why are Republican governed US states ranking in the top 3 here and so many in the top 15???

 

 

 

 

 

[7heaven]

Since 2021, retailers have been closing down stores in San Francisco due to escalating crime rates. 

 

Musk was rightfully justified in pointing out how unsafe San Francisco is, and this confirmed by the blatant stabbing death of Bob Lee and closure of newly opened Whole Foods store there. 

———————

Shoplifting in San Francisco is so out of control that retailers are closing stores
 

Among the many problems plaguing San Francisco in recent years, business leaders say one has become so commonplace that residents barely notice it: shoplifting.

 

Walgreens says petty theft in the city has gotten so out of control that it’s had to close 17 of its stores. CVS has told its employees not to intervene because the thieves so often attack them, calling San Francisco “one of the epicenters of organized retail crime.”

 

“We’ve had incidents where our security officers are assaulted on a pretty regular basis in San Francisco,” Brendan Dugan, head of CVS’ retail crime division, said at a 13 May hearing with city officials, according to a New York Times report.

 

Police agree that the stealing has become endemic.

 

“The one trend we are seeing is more violence and escalating – and much more bold,” Commander Raj Vaswani of the San Francisco Police Department said at the hearing. “We see a lot of repeat offenders.”

 

Even more shocking is the fact that many shoplifters then sell their stolen goods on the street – often not far from the store where they stole them.

 

…

 

San Francisco has faced a painful set of concurring crises in recent years, including skyrocketing homelessness and an epidemic of drug overdoses.

And in 2020, added to all that was the Covid-19 pandemic.

 

City officials say all these problems have fueled the rise in shoplifting, but other factors have contributed as well. For one thing, in 2014 California passed a ballot measure called Proposition 47, which deems any nonviolent theft of items worth less than $950 a misdemeanor, not a felony.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/shoplifting-san-francisco-control-retailers-173347237.html

[singalion]

Some mental deranged member troll here thinks by repeating the same article excessively he can make a point.

 

Then he is trying to make a point by posting an article from May 2021...

 

good joke...

[singalion]

Act against truth distortions:

 

 

 

Ok, let the facts talk:

 

Shoplifting:

Larceny is a crime involving the unlawful taking or theft of the personal property of another person or business

American Cities With the Highest Rate of Larceny Theft  2022

 

 

1. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina  (Republican Governed)

 

2. South Salt Lake, Utah   (Republican Governed)

 

3. Salt Lake City, Utah  (Republican Governed)

 

4. Roseville, Minnesota 

 

5. Springfield, Missouri  (Republican Governed)

 

6. Alexandria, Louisiana

 

7. Joplin, Missouri  (Republican Governed)

 

8. Miami Beach, Florida   (Republican Governed - Ron DeSantis!)

 

9. Murray, Utah  (Republican Governed)

 

10. Florence, South Carolina  (Republican Governed)

 

11. LaGrange, Georgia  (Republican Governed)

 

12. Douglasville, Georgia  (Republican Governed)

 

13. Chattanooga, Tennessee   (Republican Governed)

 

14. Asheville, North Carolina

 

15. Great Falls, Montana   (Republican Governed)

 

 

 

Damn, once again the top 15 of most property and shoplifting crime takes place in Republican Governed US states.

 

 

 

BW: Readers Note that in the US the police force power is granted with the US States  and not the Federal US for such crime.

 

Can someone tell me what the Republican Governors are doing in the US???

 

And why do they blame Democrats for being soft on crime, when it is obvious that they can't clean up their own states from such crime???

 

 

 

=> Elon Musk was wrong in his post and posted an untruth.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by singalion

[7heaven]

Musk was right on point when he pointed out the terrible crime situation in San Francisco. 
 

Ordinary people in San Francisco expressed fear for their safety as San Francisco is infested with people who are engaged in criminal activity. They feel that no one really cares and there is very interest to correct the problem. 
 

———————
 

COMMUNITY DEMANDS ACTION TO COMBAT CRIME, HOMELESSNESS SF'S FILLMORE DISTRICT

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- A small, but important meeting was held Monday night at the Third Baptist Church in San Francisco to discuss scenes like this one - rising homelessness and crime in the city's Fillmore District.

"It just seems as though no one really cares and that there's very little interest in trying to correct the problem," said Yulanda Williams.

Yulanda Williams feels the Safeway at Geary and Webster is an especially problematic spot.

She and several other speakers at Monday's event spoke about incidents they've had there involving the homeless.
 

"When I go to the Safeway area, I'm always concerned about my own personal safety and also about the fact that my car is in a parking lot that is infested with people who are engaged in criminal activity," said Williams.

Monday's meeting, which was hosted by community leader, Rev. Amos Brown, was also attended by representatives from SFPD and several city departments.

All of them saying, they're committed to working together to find solutions.

An admirable goal, but one that will come with challenges.

"The reality is that the San Francisco Police Department is short about 540 officers. This is unprecedented," said Asst. Chief David Lazar of the San Francisco Police Department.

But those solutions, they say, will have to work for everyone - both local residents and the unhoused.

"Common sense compassion. Because a lot of the stuff we claim we are compassionate about, but when we leave people to their own self-destructive devices and when we let people cause harm to others, that's not compassion," Rev. Brown said.

 

…

"We throw a lot of money to homeless issues, yet we're not seeing or receiving any of the benefits," said Williams.
 

https://abc7news.com/amp/sf-fillmore-district-homeless-crime-car-break-ins/12592224/

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by 7heaven
Infested with criminal activity SF

[singalion]

False!

Elon Musk posted untruths and falsities abouit the Bob Lee murder. 

 

It is already factual. 

 

The murderer of Bob Lee wasn't homeless, no drug addict and not a member of a crime gang!

 

You just can accept the truth that Musk posted sonething false!

 

Suspect allegedly drove Bob Lee to dark area, stabbed him 3 times with kitchen knife, prosecutors say

April 14, 2023

 

A fellow tech executive killed 43-year-old Cash App founder Bob Lee earlier this month with a kitchen knife after driving him to a secluded area, prosecutors said in a court filing Friday.

Police arrested the suspect on Thursday and identified him as Nima Momeni, 38, who appears to be the owner of an Emeryville, California-based company called Expand IT.

 

 

Hilarious if not mentally insane how someone tries to defend Musk here when it is already a fact that Musk  tweeted something contrary to the truth. 

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by singalion

[7heaven]

Musk clearly did not post any untruths and falsities about Bob Lee’s violent stabbing death in San Francisco. Musk did not state that Bob Lee’s murderer was homeless, or a drug addict or a gang member. 
 

Musk simply twit this 
 

“Many people I know have been severely assaulted,” Mr Musk tweeted. “Violent crime in SF is horrific and even if attackers are caught, they are often released immediately. Is the city taking stronger action to incarcerate repeat violent offenders Brooke Jenkins?”

 

Musk being a well-respected and influential person and his this twit suggest that the District Attorney of San Francisco should be taking strong actions against violent offenders. This twit is embarrassing for the DA as it is critical of the violent crime situation in San Francisco. Obviously the DA would not accept such criticism and became defensive. 

[singalion]

Strange that one mental member here keeps agitating against San Francisco but ignoring that red US states (Republican governed) are having extremely higher crime rates?

 

If Republicans manage crime much better than why do their states rank so on top of all crime rankings???

 

Why doesn't that mental member question those Governors of Republican governed US states to improve the crime situation there?

 

Is it bias or hypocrisy? or both?

 

 

[singalion]

PS.: It is a fact that Musk posted an untruth. 

 

What is so difficult for that member to accept this. 

 

This mental insane member can't even accept facts!

 

 

Substantiation:

 

'Reckless and irresponsible': Official responds to Elon Musk's tweet sent after murder of Cash App founder Bob Lee

 

 

 

murder of Cash App founder Bob Lee

'Reckless and irresponsible': Official responds to Elon Musk's tweet sent after murder of Cash App founder Bob Lee

 

 

tweet from Musk: regarding Lee's death

"Very sorry to hear that. Many people I know have been severely assaulted. Violent crime in SF is horrific and even if attackers are caught, they are often released immediately. Is the city taking stronger action to incarcerate repeat violent offenders?"

 

Musk's tweet "spread misinformation.

 

At a press conference on Thursday, the San Francisco Police Department announced the arrest of Momeni, who is believed to have known Lee.

 

San Francisco Chief of Police William Scott, said Lee’s murder was “more about human behavior and human nature” than about where it happened. “This is not about SF,” he said.

 

San Francisco police arrested Momeni, who also works in the tech industry, on Thursday morning in Emeryville, California, a suburb of Oakland. Initial reports say Momeni knew Lee, but authorities did not disclose any further details about their relationship.

Momeni is set to be arraigned on Friday afternoon. He is facing a murder charge with a special enhancement based on allegations the crime was committed with a knife.

 

 

 

=> It is a relationship murder and not some theft crime murder by an unknown. 

 

Same as that 7something truth distorter member Elon Musk should ask why according to published facts more crime and murders happen in Republican governed US states compared to California or San Francisco!

 

Musk turns out to be another truth distorting hypocrite same as many Republicans misleading the public with untruths. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by singalion

[7heaven]

PS: It is a fact Musk was on point when he called out the crime situation in San Francisco. Bob Lee did not have to suffer from fatal stabbing in San Francisco if the crime situation was not horrible there. 
 

The San Francisco DA obviously had to run for cover and understandably be defensive after facing such criticism. 

 

[singalion]

Since when are opinions facts?

 

Musk did not tweet any fact, but an opinion. 

 

Now, that troll member doesn't even manage to use his brain when posting...