Does Fasting really help to stay young?

[Guest Whywhy]

Any truth in this article? I want to stay young. Haa 

 

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/article/3210519/how-fasting-chris-hemsworth-did-his-disney-series-limitless-may-help-us-live-longer-stopping-zombie?utm_content=article&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1676802999

[Guest Passerby]

I like what the following video has to say about Intermittent Fasting (IF), not just doing the 16/8 cycle but also watching what u eat e.g. cutting down on processed food, sugar, carbo etc. So if you cannot do IF, do the next best thing: skip the processed food.

 

[Guest Ryan]

I'm doing IF since November last year. Cut carbs and sugar intake too. I've lost 10 kg so far and losing belly fats too. I can see now my dick too when looking down

[Steve5380]

59 minutes ago, mate69 said:

omg that doc is HOT

 

1 hour ago, Guest Passerby said:

I like what the following video has to say about Intermittent Fasting (IF), not just doing the 16/8 cycle but also watching what u eat e.g. cutting down on processed food, sugar, carbo etc. So if you cannot do IF, do the next best thing: skip the processed food.

 

 

This video is excellent.  If you follow the hot guy's advice,  you guys will be HOT or HOTTER too.

 

I am pleased that a YOUNGER handsome guy preaches the "secret of intermittent fasting", the secret that it is a best thing to do,  and not only an OLDER handsome guy ( me ) who does the same in his thread "for gays who will be seniors one day".  The secret is out (!)   More and more people are doing intermittent fasting, with good results.

[Steve5380]

6 hours ago, Guest Whywhy said:

Any truth in this article? I want to stay young. Haa 

 

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/article/3210519/how-fasting-chris-hemsworth-did-his-disney-series-limitless-may-help-us-live-longer-stopping-zombie?utm_content=article&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1676802999

 

You bet there is a lot of truth in this article.  Autophagy,  the action of the body to recycle senescent cells and other biological junk in our tissues,  was discovered about 50 years ago from animal studies.  This phenomenon is actively investigated.  The article refers to this in a cute way as "stopping zombie cells",  ha ha.

 

One section of the article reads:

 

A study published in scientific journal Nature Aging found that intermittent fasting for 12 to 48 hours every one to seven days, and periodic fasting for two to seven days once per month or less, had the potential to prevent and treat disease.

 

Scientists are now trying to develop drugs which can deliver the same benefits that dietary restrictions do.

“If you think about interventions to improve health, like reducing food intake and [doing more] exercise, it’s not an easy thing to motivate yourself [to do]. But if you can get some sort of drug that mimicked the beneficial effects while you’re still able to have your cake, that’s what people would want,” Selman says.

 

Yes, it seems that intermittent fasting like 16/8 may promote some autophagy already.  But the effect is stronger with some more serious fasting, like a water-only fast for several days done infrequently, which is not difficult and perfectly healthy after having intermittently fasted for some time so that there is metabolic flexibility.  But some sentence in the article jumps out like a sore thump:

 

WHAT??? WHAT??? WHAT???  DRUGS to replace fasting?   Drugs to replace something so simple, so easy, so free of any cost as fasting ??????   Trying to get damn pharmaceutical companies making fortunes out of something so totally unnecessary and potentially harmful with its SIDE EFFECTS?

 

The mere suggestion of a replacement of fasting with drugs should render this article as poisonous,  in my opinion.   But then... who am I to judge?

[Steve5380]

5 hours ago, Guest Ryan said:

I'm doing IF since November last year. Cut carbs and sugar intake too. I've lost 10 kg so far and losing belly fats too. I can see now my dick too when looking down

 

You are doing the smart thing.  And by now, IF should be natural and free of any hardship. Imagine if over time, not only will you see more of your dick but will see it bigger and harder?  

 

For further benefits, you may have a look at this video that I also posted in the thread about gays who will be seniors.  It gives ideas of how to further reduce glucose spikes that have negative effects:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeXQ5n2hcXk&list=PPSV

 

 

[Guest Common Sense]

4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

It gives ideas of how to further reduce glucose spikes that have negative effects:

 

Stop reading too much into too many experts' views.  The bottom line is - cut sugar, carb in your food diet, exercise more and you are safe to live longer and healthier. 

[lohwpr]

I have been doing IF for 2 years. 16/8 and later proceed to 20/4.

 

I lost 14 kg in the process and couldn't lose anymore. It plateaued. 

 

Losing weight is generally a good thing. But it depends what u r losing. If u r losing muscle in the process, it is not good. 

In my 2 years of practicing IF, my metabolism crushed. Basically, I trained my body to live with significantly lesser food. When my body learned to survive with lesser food, any extra intake will be turned into fats. The worst thing was I lost a lot muscle in the process. I looked slimmer but I don't not look strong.

 

When I decided to pick up weightlifting to gain muscle, I need to eat more. Muscle doesn't build itself out of nothing. Muscle needs food. But my metabolism crashed so badly that all food that I ate goes to fats than muscle. It doesn't fuelled the muscle building process effectively. 

 

When we are older, muscle is important. To squat, to lift and etc. 

 

I gave up IF and took 1 year to reset my metabolism. I decide to eat more protein, veg and complex carbs. 3-4 meals daily. 

Edited February 20, 2023 by lohwpr

[radiusulnar]

1 minute ago, lohwpr said:

In my 2 years of practicing IF, my metabolism crushed

 

didn't realise this side effect. 😱

[lohwpr]

15 minutes ago, radiusulnar said:

 

didn't realise this side effect. 😱

Yes, I learned about metabolism the hard way. Been there, done that. 

To me, metabolism is more important than just blindly losing weight. 

 

To lose weight, the best way is to generate more muscle. With more muscle, u increase your daily resting calories burn which will translate to fat lost. 

 

Must eat more protein and a balance diet. Dont' deprive your body of food. 

 

There is no such thing of turning fats to muscle. Fats cannot change to muscle, vice versa. Losing/gaining fats is a different process from losing/gaining muscle. Though fats and muscle is connected in some ways. 

 

To gain muscle, hit the gym. Go lift weights. Go squat... and food

To lose fats, do cardio, generate more muscle to lose weight.

Edited February 20, 2023 by lohwpr

[lohwpr]

It also depends what kind of body type u r looking for. 

 

If u want lean/fit/muscular, then weight lifting, cardio and diet is very important. 

 

For me, I wanted to become a muscle daddy bear. I lift heavy but I am easy on food. I do cardio 3-4 times weekly but I intentionally don't' over do it. 30 mins on a stair-master.  I eat more protein no doubt but I am not as strict as those muscle freaks. I want to look big and strong with a small gut. 

Edited February 20, 2023 by lohwpr

[radiusulnar]

great food for thought (bad pun). i lost about 4-5kg and plateauing. so wondered what i am doing wrong.

[lohwpr]

Of course, there are some bodybuilders who practices IF and still able to build muscle. 

 

At the end of the day, it boils down to one's genetics. 

 

I came across 2 muscle man who need to eat like there-is-no-tmr. Pizza, pasta and etc..... in order for them to look muscular. If they stop training or eating, they will shrink. It's like X-men super power. Both of them has 6 packs. I am so jealous of their genetics. If only I can eat like them and still look as good. 

 

What I shared above is just my experiences. It may work for you or it may not. Depend on your genetics. So, u need to experiment with your body and see what work best.

Edited February 20, 2023 by lohwpr

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, lohwpr said:

I have been doing IF for 2 years. 16/8 and later proceed to 20/4.

 

I lost 14 kg in the process and couldn't lose anymore. It plateaued. 

 

Losing weight is generally a good thing. But it depends what u r losing. If u r losing muscle in the process, it is not good. 

In my 2 years of practicing IF, my metabolism crushed. Basically, I trained my body to live with significantly lesser food. When my body learned to survive with lesser food, any extra intake will be turned into fats. The worst thing was I lost a lot muscle in the process. I looked slimmer but I don't not look strong.

 

When I decided to pick up weightlifting to gain muscle, I need to eat more. Muscle doesn't build itself out of nothing. Muscle needs food. But my metabolism crashed so badly that all food that I ate goes to fats than muscle. It doesn't fuelled the muscle building process effectively. 

 

When we are older, muscle is important. To squat, to lift and etc. 

 

I gave up IF and took 1 year to reset my metabolism. I decide to eat more protein, veg and complex carbs. 3-4 meals daily. 

 

I am sorry to read that your metabolism "crushed".   What is this?   I have never heard of this "crushing".   Did you become very insulin resistant?

 

I also read that you decided to pick up again weightlifting.  Why did you stop?  Nothing forces you to stop weightlifting if you do intermittent fasting, so you don't need to lose muscle.   Regardless of how much or how little you eat,  muscles need the hypertrophy caused by weight lifting.   If you train hard and eat enough protein, this will go to build muscles instead of build up fat.

 

You were wise to increase your consumption of protein,  but you didn't need to give up IF.

 

I am just months away from my 80th birthday. I have been doing IF for over a year, with good results.  I haven't lost one pound, and my purpose with IF is not to lose weight but to gain in health.  I go to the gym 5 days a week and do heavy lifting, mostly lower body with leg press, calf press, and upper body with bench press, curls of biceps, triceps, etc.  The amount of weights I lift  have not come down in several years,  and I don't see why they should.   Age is not so important as long as you are in good health.

 

You don't need to train your body to live with less food.  To get to your optimum weight, it is not the matter of HOW MUCH you eat but more of WHAT you eat, and at what time, and in which order.  When you metabolism is good, you will have less hunger and automatically you will eat less if necessary.  It is somewhat complicated, but there is plenty of information around.

.

Edited February 20, 2023 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

57 minutes ago, lohwpr said:

 

There is no such thing of turning fats to muscle. Fats cannot change to muscle, vice versa. Losing/gaining fats is a different process from losing/gaining muscle. Though fats and muscle is connected in some ways. 

 

To gain muscle, hit the gym. Go lift weights. Go squat... and food

To lose fats, do cardio, generate more muscle to lose weight.

 

 

To lose weight, what you do to improve your metabolism,  like eating less frequently  ( IF ), avoiding processed foods and instead eating the GOOD foods,  is much more important than exercising.  You cannot lose much weight through cardio,  unless...  you are a marathon, triathlon runner.  And generating more muscle is also not very effective,  muscle weights more than fat and the higher resting metabolism from muscle does not make a big difference.   The solution is GOOD NUTRITION, NUTRITION, NUTRITION.

 

 

[Steve5380]

37 minutes ago, lohwpr said:

Of course, there are some bodybuilders who practices IF and still able to build muscle. 

 

At the end of the day, it boils down to one's genetics. 

 

I came across 2 muscle man who need to eat like there-is-no-tmr. Pizza, pasta and etc..... in order for them to look muscular. If they stop training or eating, they will shrink. It's like X-men super power. Both of them has 6 packs. I am so jealous of their genetics. If only I can eat like them and still look as good. 

 

What I shared above is just my experiences. It may work for you or it may not. Depend on your genetics. So, u need to experiment with your body and see what work best.

 

OF COURSE if you practice IF you can also build muscle.  It depends on how hard and smart you train,  but...  age has also an effect.  If you have acceptable musculature, and you are not so young anymore,  it is better to aim to PRESERVE muscle instead of building new one.   Preserve the muscle you have already,  and improve your eating habits for optimum metabolism to lose weight.  With less weight,  the muscles you preserve will show off much bigger and nicer. 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Common Sense said:

Stop reading too much into too many experts' views.  The bottom line is - cut sugar, carb in your food diet, exercise more and you are safe to live longer and healthier. 

 

Read as much as you can from the experts.  Not everything will be positive or true,  no "expert" is perfect.  But the more you read, the more you will understand that the work of our digestive system is complicated!  There are many fine adjustments you can do to your eating,  besides simply cutting sugar, carbs  (WHICH carbs and why??), exercise more (WHICH exercises, how much??).  And it is a fact that  with a fixed amount and type of food,  the way you eat it can make a big difference.    There is a lot to be learned.  And learning should NEVER END.    There is a saying in Spanish:  "el saber no ocupa lugar"  (  knowledge does not take up space),

[Ryuki]

not helping for me at all.. but instead 

i just cut white sugar and white rice .... it does wonder to my body 

 

i dont purposely consume white sugar... no sugary drinks and so on but if outside occasion where food has sugar in it, i will take, and i try to avoid sugary drink 

but if company even there is some i will opt for plain water or tea without sugar or just consume a little thats all

[Guest Bmi 24]

Everybody has his own way and we can argue till the cows come home.

Proof of the pudding is in the eating. That's the annual medical tests.

I've passed with most marginal like blood pressure, LDL but some very good like my triglyceride levels.

My BMI is marginal 24 but I prefer it that way for the small nutritional buffer against sickness or diseases when the body will lose flesh fighting it.

 

I don't agree with

1)BMI <Banned Words> is lean and healthy.

It's propagated by over-reaction to obesity, to the other extreme is extremely better. Till some practice anorexia and die.

 

Healthy is what the medical tests say. BMI 24 is just as healthy. 

 

2) intermittent fasting

Fasting is a big stress to the body and stress is the biggest problem with our lives nowadays, we should not be adding more.

The few who say it gives them benefits, those are not proven. If so, Africans should be the healthiest and don't need food aids.

 

It's your snake oil against mine. I prefer to listen to my body and common sense. When I'm hungry, I'm feeling weakened and stressed. What don't kill you don't necessarily make you better. It can give you stress ulcers and inflammation instead.

 

I believe that IF is pushed by those influencers who think it's too difficult for most to follow and those failures give them more talking points for them to preach and preach IF for more views. More views = more income.

[Guest True]

6 hours ago, Ryuki said:

not helping for me at all.. but instead 

i just cut white sugar and white rice .... it does wonder to my body 

 

i dont purposely consume white sugar... no sugary drinks and so on but if outside occasion where food has sugar in it, i will take, and i try to avoid sugary drink 

but if company even there is some i will opt for plain water or tea without sugar or just consume a little thats all

During CNY, someone bought too many soda drink. And push to me to help finish it up. I just conveniently take from fridge and drink. Otherwise I seldom by. 

 

Now suddenly my left jaw is aching. I thought is toothache. I'm not sure either. But feel like at my jaw. Near the ear level. When I eat very hard to chew food. Chew abit and swallow. Busy with work so never really think about it. Now slowly not that painful when eating. Is still painful. 

 

Im not sure what happen. Should i go to a dentist or a gp?

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest True said:

During CNY, someone bought too many soda drink. And push to me to help finish it up. I just conveniently take from fridge and drink. Otherwise I seldom by. 

 

Now suddenly my left jaw is aching. I thought is toothache. I'm not sure either. But feel like at my jaw. Near the ear level. When I eat very hard to chew food. Chew abit and swallow. Busy with work so never really think about it. Now slowly not that painful when eating. Is still painful. 

 

Im not sure what happen. Should i go to a dentist or a gp?

 

It sounds like you have a cavity in one of your left molars, probably worsened by the sugary soda drinks.  Next time, to "finish them",  empty them out in the sink, and stay away from them forever.   So it seems like it is the work for a dentist.  But... not so fast.

 

There is an effective way to remove the bacteria in the mouth that cause problems to our teeth.  It is called OIL PULLING.  Google it, and find out what it is.  It is very easy to do, in your case, every day: take a spoon of coconut oil in your mouth, swab it between the teeth for 5 minutes or more, then spit it out in the trash.  From my bf's experience and mine I give testimonial that it works, it can prevent and even cure cavities.  

 

Or it could happen that you got the habit to bite hard as a nervous tick.  Some tooth may not like this and develop an inflammation at its root, causing strong tooth pain.  Here the dentist can help doing a "root canal" procedure,  or you can control your jaw doing something stressful,  getting used to leaving the jaw open but your lips closed, and the pain, the inflammation may go away after some time.

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, Guest Bmi 24 said:

Everybody has his own way and we can argue till the cows come home.

Proof of the pudding is in the eating. That's the annual medical tests.

I've passed with most marginal like blood pressure, LDL but some very good like my triglyceride levels.

My BMI is marginal 24 but I prefer it that way for the small nutritional buffer against sickness or diseases when the body will lose flesh fighting it.

 

I don't agree with

1)BMI <Banned Words> is lean and healthy.

It's propagated by over-reaction to obesity, to the other extreme is extremely better. Till some practice anorexia and die.

 

Healthy is what the medical tests say. BMI 24 is just as healthy. 

 

2) intermittent fasting

Fasting is a big stress to the body and stress is the biggest problem with our lives nowadays, we should not be adding more.

The few who say it gives them benefits, those are not proven. If so, Africans should be the healthiest and don't need food aids.

 

It's your snake oil against mine. I prefer to listen to my body and common sense. When I'm hungry, I'm feeling weakened and stressed. What don't kill you don't necessarily make you better. It can give you stress ulcers and inflammation instead.

 

I believe that IF is pushed by those influencers who think it's too difficult for most to follow and those failures give them more talking points for them to preach and preach IF for more views. More views = more income.

 

Your BMI = 24 is still in the "healthy" range.  So you don't need to hunger.  Hunger is not necessary anyway, it is the result of bad nutrition habits.

 

If hunger gives you stress, then be smart and avoid it.  But fasting does not necessarily lead to hunger.  Intermittent fasting and good nutrition outside of the fasting leads to the AVOIDANCE of hunger.   I will soon reach the 16+ hours of my intermittent fasting, and I don't have one bit of hunger, not even appetite.  And I just came back from the gym doing heavy exercising.  At this moment, after my digestion ended hours ago and no more glucose is entering my system,  I am well fed by the ketones produced in my liver by the fat cells.  I don't need to lose fat, but internal fat, as opposed to fat under the skin,  is quite unhealthy.

 

Believe me that intermittent fasting is not difficult to follow.  What can be easier than NOT EATING??  It takes some force of will at the beginning,  but as an adult you should have cultivated some of this important force of will.   Be assured that IF is not pushed by those who want people to fail,  but just the opposite.