Trying to get big and muscular, perhaps Steroids?

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

Just started gym no long ago and train 4 - 5 days per week...

Currently having Whey protein for pre and post work out, and I am too keen in getting the muscle faster to look lean and hot on body. Wish to see an obvious and bigger chest, bubble butt and abs within a short period of time...

 

Any recommendation for beginner to start their steroid cycles and post PCT?

I have reached out with online seller, most of them recommend me either stack with Clenbuterol + Anavar or Anavar+Test or Anavar + Stano (It quite pricy by the way  )

 

Wish to get a body of 12% with obvious muscle and by the way how was PCT cycle done?

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

ust started gym no long ago and train 4 - 5 days per week...

Currently having Whey protein for pre and post work out, and I am too keen in getting the muscle faster to look lean and hot on body. Wish to see an obvious and bigger chest, bubble butt and abs within a short period of time...

 

Any recommendation for beginner to start their steroid cycles and post PCT?

I have reached out with online seller, most of them recommend me either stack with Clenbuterol + Anavar or Anavar+Test or Anavar + Stano (It quite pricy by the way  )

 

Wish to get a body of 12% with obvious muscle and by the way how was PCT cycle done?

Any cycle/ dosage recommended for steroid and PCT?

[Guest Guest]

Steroids don't make you look lean. It makes you look beefy. And the moment you look beefy, there is no turning back. After you lose your muscle mass, you will start looking fat and maybe even swollen and bloated. It will take years, or maybe even decades, to reverse that effect to go back to the nice lean build, and that's if it is even possible in the first place. 

 

Look at some of the bloated uncles in the gym and think carefully if that is what you really want... 

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Steroids don't make you look lean. It makes you look beefy. And the moment you look beefy, there is no turning back. After you lose your muscle mass, you will start looking fat and maybe even swollen and bloated. It will take years, or maybe even decades, to reverse that effect to go back to the nice lean build, and that's if it is even possible in the first place. 

 

Look at some of the bloated uncles in the gym and think carefully if that is what you really want... 

I plan to take for a cycle, as long as the muscle pop out, i will stop it and probably not more than half years ...

 

Is that will make someone look beefy at the moment of steroid intake?

[kratos]

How long have you started gym? If it's not too long ago, then it's better to build a routine and let your natural potential hit the limit first. If you start your cycle and do not have the discipline to monitor your usage and manage the side effects, it is not going to look good. Plus you need to know how to effectively train to maximize your cycle, if you just started gym, then you probably don't know how receptive your body is to the different types of training.

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

1 minute ago, kratos said:

How long have you started gym? If it's not too long ago, then it's better to build a routine and let your natural potential hit the limit first. If you start your cycle and do not have the discipline to monitor your usage and manage the side effects, it is not going to look good. Plus you need to know how to effectively train to maximize your cycle, if you just started gym, then you probably don't know how receptive your body is to the different types of training.

Hi, around few months only, with your personal experience, what kind of routines and exercises did you do ya? Like to refer to your routines and exercises and sets for each part of your body part... 

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

Just wish to make the muscle come out fast and then stop the steroids...

[Guest Gymer]

You’ll be robbing off your beginner gains tbh. Steroids won’t make you ‘beefy’. You can cut on roids or bulk on roids. It’s an enhancer but it’s definitely not magic that one cycle will get you those huge beefy bodies. Different ppl have different receptors to anabolics. But if you’re keen to go on cycle, a simple oral (tbol) to kick start, the basic tes (doesn’t matter which ester) and anavar to keep you ‘lean’ with less water retention (tbh if your diet and training is spot on, you don’t need it) and of course pct and liver tabs. With the questions you’re asking, you’re definitely not ready. Going ‘on’ and ‘off’ without proper cycling will just screw up your body and without proper training regime, you’ll likely to lose all the gains you gotten off roids (if any lol). Do know that your body hormonal balance is fcked (Low test, high estrogen, and depending on the compound, progesterone etc etc) after cycle (hence pct) and will take time to recover and if you don’t have the proper training/diet you’re just screwing up your body for nothing. 

[DMassage]

5 hours ago, Jeremy Cheng discreet said:

Just started gym no long ago and train 4 - 5 days per week...

Currently having Whey protein for pre and post work out, and I am too keen in getting the muscle faster to look lean and hot on body. Wish to see an obvious and bigger chest, bubble butt and abs within a short period of time...

 

Any recommendation for beginner to start their steroid cycles and post PCT?

I have reached out with online seller, most of them recommend me either stack with Clenbuterol + Anavar or Anavar+Test or Anavar + Stano (It quite pricy by the way  )

 

Wish to get a body of 12% with obvious muscle and by the way how was PCT cycle done?

 

A lot of side effects. 

[Thatguy642]

I’m not big or muscular but I did gain some muscle and weight from being really skinny. It’s not a super quick process but I really suggest you try to do it naturally rather than using any PEDs. How’s your diet like? If you’re a hard gainer like me you really need to eat more. A protein shake here and there helps but don’t rely on it. 
 

Eat a good, balanced diet with adequate protein (1.6 x your ideal mean body weight in kg) and make sure you get more calories than usual. Try for 500 more if you really want to gain some weight. So let’s say you eat 3 meals a day already try to squeeze in one more meal or 2-3 snacks throughout the day. That’s the only way to build muscle alongside the gym. Try this for 6 months.

 

You will gain some fat along the way and it’s natural but you can always cut next time (intermittent fasting is a cheat code) but yeah, be patient. We got this  

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

7 hours ago, Guest Gymer said:

You’ll be robbing off your beginner gains tbh. Steroids won’t make you ‘beefy’. You can cut on roids or bulk on roids. It’s an enhancer but it’s definitely not magic that one cycle will get you those huge beefy bodies. Different ppl have different receptors to anabolics. But if you’re keen to go on cycle, a simple oral (tbol) to kick start, the basic tes (doesn’t matter which ester) and anavar to keep you ‘lean’ with less water retention (tbh if your diet and training is spot on, you don’t need it) and of course pct and liver tabs. With the questions you’re asking, you’re definitely not ready. Going ‘on’ and ‘off’ without proper cycling will just screw up your body and without proper training regime, you’ll likely to lose all the gains you gotten off roids (if any lol). Do know that your body hormonal balance is fcked (Low test, high estrogen, and depending on the compound, progesterone etc etc) after cycle (hence pct) and will take time to recover and if you don’t have the proper training/diet you’re just screwing up your body for nothing. 

Do you have any recommendation on the detailed cycle as for the beginner??

I saw you wrote 'lose all gains' means if i stop the cycle and go for pct without proper training, my muscle mass will drop significantly?

 

Im planning to go with one cycle just to boost the muscle a little bit obvious, the shape, the line , just in case to look good in photo... perhaps if getting bigger too if possible (4 to 5 days train per week)

 

So i saw you said, tbol to start then test (the injection one?) with anavar to cut lean from the bulk of tbol? (Eg. Dosages, period of time etc.)

 

How was the pct ? Which kind of pct should i take for? ( eg. Dosage, periods of time etc.)

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

2 hours ago, Thatguy642 said:

I’m not big or muscular but I did gain some muscle and weight from being really skinny. It’s not a super quick process but I really suggest you try to do it naturally rather than using any PEDs. How’s your diet like? If you’re a hard gainer like me you really need to eat more. A protein shake here and there helps but don’t rely on it. 
 

Eat a good, balanced diet with adequate protein (1.6 x your ideal mean body weight in kg) and make sure you get more calories than usual. Try for 500 more if you really want to gain some weight. So let’s say you eat 3 meals a day already try to squeeze in one more meal or 2-3 snacks throughout the day. That’s the only way to build muscle alongside the gym. Try this for 6 months.

 

You will gain some fat along the way and it’s natural but you can always cut next time (intermittent fasting is a cheat code) but yeah, be patient. We got this  

Nonono, your body is my goal!! This is what i plan to do at least some muscle is obvious when taking photo, at least some abs is obvious , the chest is good to grab by top etc. But you have been train hard for years to get such kind of good body, i was trying to get shortcut with one cycle to get at least 15-20% similarity of muscle look if take your body photo from your profile pic as standard...

 

Perhaps, can i get a reference of your routines, exercises that you have done? Especially the exeecises you did for your chest... (Eg. Incline dumbell press 15reps 4 sets (8kg each side)  2 times per week etc)

 

Furthermore , i used to train with the equipment which is 10-15% of my body weight 

Eg: body weight 60kg then the chosen equipment would be 6kg to 9kg(each side) , sometime leg press would be 50 to 70kg, or cable fly will be 10kg each side

 

 

[Thatguy642]

20 minutes ago, Jeremy Cheng discreet said:

Nonono, your body is my goal!! This is what i plan to do at least some muscle is obvious when taking photo, at least some abs is obvious , the chest is good to grab by top etc. But you have been train hard for years to get such kind of good body, i was trying to get shortcut with one cycle to get at least 15-20% similarity of muscle look if take your body photo from your profile pic as standard...

 

Perhaps, can i get a reference of your routines, exercises that you have done? Especially the exeecises you did for your chest... (Eg. Incline dumbell press 15reps 4 sets (8kg each side)  2 times per week etc)

 

Furthermore , i used to train with the equipment which is 10-15% of my body weight 

Eg: body weight 60kg then the chosen equipment would be 6kg to 9kg(each side) , sometime leg press would be 50 to 70kg, or cable fly will be 10kg each side

 

 

My body in the pic was almost wholly from body weight exercises (push-ups, etc.) and it took about a year of training, I didn’t really start gaining much weight until I started to eat more consciously though so that’s very important! However I’ve recently in the past couple of weeks joined a gym and I do a PPL split by Jeff Nippard on YouTube and man I haven’t been this sore in a long time. The fact that you already to go to the gym means you’re miles ahead of me haha.

 

I only did one week so far but I’m excited for the results because the comments are all very positive and my lifter friends have nothing bad to say about that guy. You can go check it out. I know it’s easy to focus on the vanity muscles like abs pecs and biceps but your back and legs are also super important apparently - something I’m struggling to figure out now. But consistency is key.

 

 

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

5 minutes ago, Thatguy642 said:

My body in the pic was almost wholly from body weight exercises (push-ups, etc.) and it took about a year of training, I didn’t really start gaining much weight until I started to eat more consciously though so that’s very important! However I’ve recently in the past couple of weeks joined a gym and I do a PPL split by Jeff Nippard on YouTube and man I haven’t been this sore in a long time. The fact that you already to go to the gym means you’re miles ahead of me haha.

 

I only did one week so far but I’m excited for the results because the comments are all very positive and my lifter friends have nothing bad to say about that guy. You can go check it out. I know it’s easy to focus on the vanity muscles like abs pecs and biceps but your back and legs are also super important apparently - something I’m struggling to figure out now. But consistency is key.

 

 

Wow!! How about the routines snd exercise you did before the ppl split? 

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

6 minutes ago, Thatguy642 said:

My body in the pic was almost wholly from body weight exercises (push-ups, etc.) and it took about a year of training, I didn’t really start gaining much weight until I started to eat more consciously though so that’s very important! However I’ve recently in the past couple of weeks joined a gym and I do a PPL split by Jeff Nippard on YouTube and man I haven’t been this sore in a long time. The fact that you already to go to the gym means you’re miles ahead of me haha.

 

I only did one week so far but I’m excited for the results because the comments are all very positive and my lifter friends have nothing bad to say about that guy. You can go check it out. I know it’s easy to focus on the vanity muscles like abs pecs and biceps but your back and legs are also super important apparently - something I’m struggling to figure out now. But consistency is key.

 

 

Ahh i got what you mean, you have trained based on your body weight for 1 year at home and get such a good looking body!!! Wow

[Guest Guest]

Let me be frank, steroids might help give you quicker results in the gym if you combine them with a proper workout and diet, but if you yourself aren't too experienced in the gym, you are risking your health in the long term for something that might not even happen. Anyone with a fantastic body knows it will take time to get it so don't rush. I myself have been in the gym for decades and even now, I'm still learning. I have also seen people who I know have taken steroids and they look terrible. You want a body that is sustainable and looks good for the long term, not just the short term. Focus on your diet and workout and give yourself time. That's all it takes. 

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

40 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Let me be frank, steroids might help give you quicker results in the gym if you combine them with a proper workout and diet, but if you yourself aren't too experienced in the gym, you are risking your health in the long term for something that might not even happen. Anyone with a fantastic body knows it will take time to get it so don't rush. I myself have been in the gym for decades and even now, I'm still learning. I have also seen people who I know have taken steroids and they look terrible. You want a body that is sustainable and looks good for the long term, not just the short term. Focus on your diet and workout and give yourself time. That's all it takes. 

Can it be like if i take for 1 cycle then stop it, will my muscle mass drop? But with training going on like that...

[Guest Guest]

The question is, do you need to even do one cycle. By your own admission, you are just starting out and are doing it mostly on your own. You should first start getting the basics right. Consider your own workout. I’m at the gym 4 days a week, I do two upper and two lower body workouts. I also swim 3 times a week for cardio. I try and get at least 10,000 steps a day. Focus on form at the gym and give yourself time. I also do intermittent fasting and ensure I consume sufficient protein to grow my muscles. Even one cycle of steroids can have consequences, do you really want to risk your health for that when you can achieve it over time. I know it may not be the answer you want, but there are no shortcuts to getting ripped.

[Thatguy642]

2 hours ago, Jeremy Cheng discreet said:

Wow!! How about the routines snd exercise you did before the ppl split? 

Mostly push up variations, dips (on benches) and pull ups, some ab work which I’ve been neglecting lately haha. Push ups are super underrated, try do it and fully. 3 seconds down, then burst up. I did that every day for a few months (100 a day) and kinda saw a difference in my chest. 
 

 

[Guest Guest]

If anyone wants steroids, I can contribute  my testosterone for any hunks or cuties to suck out from me free any nights. ☺️

[kratos]

14 hours ago, Jeremy Cheng discreet said:

Hi, around few months only, with your personal experience, what kind of routines and exercises did you do ya? Like to refer to your routines and exercises and sets for each part of your body part... 

 

There are tons of information out there (and rubbish as well) but you need to do a fair amount trial and error as everyone respond differently to training and supplements.

 

To be honest, I'm not too comfortable providing information as you are still new to gym. If you have already been training for years and hit a plateau, and has first hand seen and known folks who are on gear then it's another different story. 

 

I have known folks who have problems in the bedroom, or developed very bad back acne, or even have voice changed over the years. You need to go in knowing what to expect, not blindly expecting quick results.

Edited April 8, 2023 by kratos

[Jeremy Cheng discreet]

2 hours ago, kratos said:

 

There are tons of information out there (and rubbish as well) but you need to do a fair amount trial and error as everyone respond differently to training and supplements.

 

To be honest, I'm not too comfortable providing information as you are still new to gym. If you have already been training for years and hit a plateau, and has first hand seen and known folks who are on gear then it's another different story. 

 

I have known folks who have problems in the bedroom, or developed very bad back acne, or even have voice changed over the years. You need to go in knowing what to expect, not blindly expecting quick results.

I see, thank you for your advice!!!

[Firstinsight2000]

On 4/8/2023 at 1:24 AM, DMassage said:

 

A lot of side effects. 

Very sound advice.

 

General Physical Side Effects of Steroids

• liver damage.
• kidney damage.
• increased blood pressure and cholesterol (risk for heart disease)
• depressed immune system (risk for infections)
• headache and stomach ache.
• nosebleeds.
• severe facial and body acne.
• decreased joint flexibility.

Further more bad acne when you are no more a teenager.  LoL.

[Ovemansc]

Whey protein is great for supporting your workouts, but remember, there's no substitute for hard work and patience. Building muscle takes time, and everyone's body responds differently. As for your goals, wanting a lean and muscular physique is totally understandable, but it's crucial to do it in a healthy and sustainable way. Steroids might seem like a shortcut, but they can have long-term consequences on your health and wellbeing. So you can check the website goliathsteroids.com , there is a lot of useful information there for you. If you're serious about progress, consider talking to a certified trainer or nutritionist who can help tailor a safe and effective plan for you. They'll guide you on exercises, nutrition, and supplements that align with your goals without risking your health.

Edited June 17, 2024 by Ovemansc

[radiusulnar]

i wonder what's the max size achievable without steriods.

[Guest Fuze]

Arnold Schwarzenegger Explains His Olympia-Era PED Use

“Don’t go there,” he says of steroids. “Yes, we are at a time now where we always look for the easy way to make money, the fast way to get rich, the easy way to be an influencer. Any time you abuse the body, you’re going to regret it later on. I want young people to know that I have seen people getting kidney transplants, and suffering tremendously from it.”

 

https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a43944437/arnold-schwarzenegger-steroid-use-bodybuilding/

 

[radiusulnar]

"Do as I say not as I do"

[Magicerife]

smaller balls in exchange for bigger muscles?

[anxiousfriedtofu]

I empathize your burning desire to get huge and ripped at the same time. To reach the point where everyone thinks you're some kind of freak, and every other muscle head looks up to you. Even on cycle, you'll need to have superior genetics (can't do anything if you have a narrow torso despite thick limbs) and admirable discipline in the gym and dieting to max or stretch out your PED use.

 

More importantly, it's the mindset to building our own best bodies. For me, the beauty of being natural is the amount of patience and persistence tagged along with it. I've seen some natty physiques that looks way more 'attractive' than some enhanced ones. Also, maintaining enhanced physiques will be way more costlier in the long term than natural ones.

[egal]

The hungry boy who devoted his life to muscle

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5nqg

[Guest MatureGymmer]

I really think you need to learn how to build muscle/train correct then talk about steriods. Otherwise, you take steriods, don't train properly also end up the same. There are some in Safra who use steriods, I noticed, and after their so called 1 cycle. They deflated and back to what he was previously....

 

coming back to my point, perhaps since you are relatively new to gym, you should figure out how your body gain muscles - whether you can trigger muscle growth. If you can, then remember how you do it - until it plateaus and no matter how much you try also cannot ... then by the time you are in your 40s, you can consider using steriods, since your natural test level is super low by them

 

And the steriod supplier is not your trainer or adviser. don't trust them Clen/ Anavar ... you know how nasty they can be?

 

Now there are also a lot of youtube trainer videos (reliable ones) who have started talking abotu steriod because they have exhausted all the legit fitness topics... you may want to learn more from them.

 

I am also looking for an alternative supplier of clomid haha.... well.. if someone is willing to share

[radiusulnar]

On 9/18/2024 at 5:13 PM, Guest MatureGymmer said:

. There are some in Safra who use steriods, I noticed

 

How to tell? Is it prevalent? I wonder how they get their supply? 

[abcwater]

Once I saw a used syringe under a bench in the changing room LOL, can't be for vaccine right XD

[radiusulnar]

43 minutes ago, abcwater said:

used syringe under a bench

 

Sigh. why never dispose of sharps safely?

 

43 minutes ago, abcwater said:

can't be for vaccine right

 

maybe insulin jab for diabetic?