All on China & China's Political Discussions (Compiled)

[Startup]

4 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by Startup

[Startup]

 

Unless the US makes some concession to China regarding Taiwan, the summit between Xi and Biden is not likely to take place this year.

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, Startup said:

 

Unless the US makes some concession to China regarding Taiwan, the summit between Xi and Biden is not likely to take place this year.

 

 

"Some concession to China regarding Taiwan???  What do you mean?

 

The position of the US regarding Taiwan has been very clear for decades.  The US will not push for the independence of Taiwan as long as China keeps its fingers away from Taiwan.  This does not need to change.

 

Doesn't China have enough problems with its economy?  Shouldn't it care about the housing market that is screwing up so many of its citizens?  

 

But the US has a valid demand for China:  respect international law and the no more than 200 miles from its cost to clam is its "territorial waters".  The US will not let China get away with its illegal claim to the totality of the South China Sea.

[G_M]

Off topic discussion will be removed.

 

Get back to discussion on China

[Startup]

US scholar blames US for provoking China and NATO expansion.

 

 

 

[singalion]

Not sure if you receive any balanced view by only consuming bizarre youtube videos. 

 

I personally have my doubts. 

 

So Putin and Xi are not to be blamed??? 

 

 

[Startup]

Singalion: So Putin and Xi are not to be blamed??? 

Noam Chomsky: I would suggest distinguishing between western propaganda and facts.

 

Singalion: Not sure if you receive any balanced view by only consuming bizarre youtube videos. 

Noam Chomsky: I would like to describe the world situation as it is, not as it is presented by US/British propaganda.

 

Not sure if Singalion knows who Noam Chomsky is. When one is incapable of making any intelligent response, he resorts to making sweeping statements. Just by saying others consume bizarre YouTube videos doesn't make him any more correct or intelligent.

 

[Sweetie Pie]

3 hours ago, Startup said:

Not sure if Singalion knows who Noam Chomsky is. When one is incapable of making any intelligent response, he resorts to making sweeping statements. Just by saying others consume bizarre YouTube videos doesn't make him any more correct or intelligent.

 

@Singalion is suffering from Mental block.   He enjoys making trouble for people when they are in the right or upsetting you when you are in the wrong.  He remained true to his word to speak the truth, even in the face of the entire world rejecting his lies.  China cannot pleases him, now or future.   It would not be wise to interfere with such a western psychopath which I noticed about him recently.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Sweetie Pie

[singalion]

 

Whether people are in the right or wrong, is something of an opinion.

 

Everyone can have a certain opinion.

 

In particular Sweetie Pie has been posting into BW his abstruse opinions and views.

 

It is quite daring if not more a sign of psychological issues to claim "He enjoys making trouble for people when they are in the right or upsetting you when you are in the wrong."

 

By such a statement you claim that your posts "are right", while in fact you just voice a personal opinion or view.

 

All of the views expressed by Sweetie Pie in fact reflected a bias and opinionated view of facts happening in the world.

 

What  Sweetie Pie calls "the entire world rejecting my lies" is in fact just more evidence how Sweetie Pie is unable to accept certain facts.

 

He also elevates other people statements as lies without offering any evidence that such statements are untruths.

It is Sweetie Pie's own opinion that certain statements are "lies", but are there in real?

You can claim a lot on BW.

As said plenty of times, claims, opinions, personal views are not facts.

 

 

I have no issues in accepting differing views. However, if they reach the level of being absurd, abstruse, there are limits.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by singalion

[Guest Low standard]

This whole thread is basically four incredibly stupid people arguing with each other over who is the most stupid and then accusing each other of having narrow world views, while parroting arguments that show their own narrow world views.

[singalion]

8 hours ago, Startup said:

Singalion: So Putin and Xi are not to be blamed??? 

Noam Chomsky: I would suggest distinguishing between western propaganda and facts.

 

Singalion: Not sure if you receive any balanced view by only consuming bizarre youtube videos. 

Noam Chomsky: I would like to describe the world situation as it is, not as it is presented by US/British propaganda.

 

Not sure if Singalion knows who Noam Chomsky is. When one is incapable of making any intelligent response, he resorts to making sweeping statements. Just by saying others consume bizarre YouTube videos doesn't make him any more correct or intelligent.

 

 

Noam Chomsky is in general labelled as a "dissident", "anarcho-syndicalist".

 

His views on many political matters are complete niche views.

 

Chromsky is just one single view out of 1000.

 

However, this aside, I respect Chromsky as an intellectual. Chromsky might even be right on certain points on what he said during his life.

 

 

Further, you post a youtube video with snippets of 2 1/2 minutes of Chomsky talking that was taking into a 15 mins video by this Novara Media Channel ... and than you claim that what this Chomsky says it a fact and the truth.

 

In fact, Chomsky was corrected by the commentators on his military assessment expenditure, which was wrong.

 

 

 

If Chomsky names something to be "western propaganda" than this is the truth or a fact?

No, it is one opinion.

It is Chromsky's opinion. But it doesn't amount to a fact.

 

Is NATO in fact expanding into the Indo Pacific region as Chromsky claimed in his statement at the video?

 

This is a claim and not a fact. Just by Chromsky saying it, it isn't a fact.

 

I think you getting something really wrong.

You show an inability to differentiate between opinion and fact.

 

By what means has NATO expanded into the Indo Pacific Region???

There is no treaty, agreement, military pact, cooperation pact that has been signed with countries in the Indo Pacific. NATO also did not sign up to defend any country in the Indo Pacific region.

 

If NATO increases the dialogue with certain countries in East Asia (such as Japan and South Korea), this is not any expansion. NATO discusses also with other countries in the world and has such dialogue sessions.

 

 

 

Undoubted fact is that Russia invaded by military force on 24 February 2022 the independent country Ukraine.

 

It is also a fact that China is claiming vast parts of the South China Sea where their claims are dubious and have been flatly rejected by courts.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by singalion

[Guest Guest]

41 minutes ago, Guest Low standard said:

This whole thread is basically four incredibly stupid people arguing with each other over who is the most stupid and then accusing each other of having narrow world views, while parroting arguments that show their own narrow world views.

 

Agreed. I think the entire world will be in a better place if both Biden and XJP vacate their positions immediately. Both are equally stupid. But one is more senile and the other one more power-hungry. 

[Startup]

China's dominance in EV. Here there are 2 articles, one objective and analytical on the rise of China's dominance, the other is an anti-China piece on how the dominance is going to end. My point is when you are so used to reading such propaganda garbage you lose sight of the critical factors that make things the way they are.

 

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/21/1068880/how-did-china-dominate-electric-cars-policy/

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2023/08/26/will-chinas-electric-vehicle-dominance-end/

 

[Startup]

 

We are living in a very exciting era. I am very interested in the topic of China-US rivalry cos my bet is on China overtaking US in GDP. Like it or not, the process and outcome of the rivalry affect us in ways we may not even be aware of.

 

In any case, I do not wish to engage in bickers with those anti-China members. I just present what I think are events that play out through the eyes of some analysts or commentators. I am not really interested in what other members have to say. We all have selection bias choosing what we want to see and making our own conclusion.

 

Granted, as the battle for supremacy is playing out, no one can say for sure who shall emerge as the final victor. But that's what makes it interesting to watch US and China throwing punches at each other. 

 

Things could go either way. Maybe both countries come to a compromise and decide to collaborate more. Maybe the leaders may decide on a merciless battle to make the loser bow at their knees.

 

 

 

[Startup]

China will become the global economy's biggest growth driver in the next 5 years, doubling the US contribution, IMF says

 

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/china-economic-growth-us-imf-europe-fund-markets-forecast-outlook-2023-4#:~:text=The IMF said China will,the US will contribute 11.3%.

 

 

[Steve5380]

On 11/1/2023 at 1:08 AM, Guest Low standard said:

This whole thread is basically four incredibly stupid people arguing with each other over who is the most stupid and then accusing each other of having narrow world views, while parroting arguments that show their own narrow world views.

 

Ohhhh....  your post is of a SUPERIOR STANDARD!   An example for all to admire.   You must be a Superior Being, able to judge others as "incredible stupid people".  

 

You surely have the most wide view of The World of all beings.  Because you reside in an extraterrestrial dimension that covers the whole universe with the ONE NEURON that still functions inside your cranium. 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Startup said:

 

We are living in a very exciting era. I am very interested in the topic of China-US rivalry cos my bet is on China overtaking US in GDP. Like it or not, the process and outcome of the rivalry affect us in ways we may not even be aware of.

 

 

You are right, this rivalry may affect you in ways you may not even be aware of.

 

It may take many years to resolve, and I probably will not be there anymore.  But you may be, and then become painfully aware of how the world will be screwed up if China overtakes... whatever will be left to overtake.

[Steve5380]

On 11/1/2023 at 1:50 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Agreed. I think the entire world will be in a better place if both Biden and XJP vacate their positions immediately. Both are equally stupid. But one is more senile and the other one more power-hungry. 

 

Waste of time!  Think of how many people have vacated throughout history,  only to have new ones that are worse!  😄

[Guest Guest 123]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You are right, this rivalry may affect you in ways you may not even be aware of.

 

It may take many years to resolve, and I probably will not be there anymore.  But you may be, and then become painfully aware of how the world will be screwed up if China overtakes... whatever will be left to overtake.

 

 

Nah, the world would be much peaceful if US is not in charge or destroyed.  It would be screwed of course due to the shit mess left by the US and its allies. China would be there to help to rebuild together with the rest of the world. 

[singalion]

3 hours ago, Startup said:

China will become the global economy's biggest growth driver in the next 5 years, doubling the US contribution, IMF says

 

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/china-economic-growth-us-imf-europe-fund-markets-forecast-outlook-2023-4#:~:text=The IMF said China will,the US will contribute 11.3%.

 

 

 

These might be taken from old data.

Nobody prior to Covid expected China to be in so much decline after Covid.

 

I assume there will be delays due to China's issues.

 

Further, the Belt and Road project is nearing the end. Unless China pulls another investment plan (for in majority its own industry to take tenders on projects) slowing down will increase.

 

On a note: Your article is from April: Apr 18, 2023. Projections after August 2023 on China have changed significantly.

Nobody expected China's economy to slow down in these numbers with companies failing currently.

 

The other article elaborated that the Government this round will not come to help.

 

On the other hand, the long term power house Germany is slowing down also. This adds to bad news for China also. Imports and exports will slump further...

 

 

 

 

Why is China's economy slowing down and could it get worse?

Reuters September 1, 2023

 

HONG KONG, Sept 1 (Reuters) - China's economic growth is slowing down as policymakers try to fix a property market downturn, with troubles at major developer Country Garden in focus.

Concerns are mounting over whether the world's second-largest economy is coming closer to a crunch point:

WHAT IS CAUSING CHINA’S ECONOMIC SLOWDOWN?

Unlike consumers in the West, Chinese people were left largely to fend for themselves during the COVID-19 pandemic and the revenge spending spree that some economists expected after China re-opened never took place.

 

Moreover, demand for Chinese exports has been softening as key trading partners have been grappling with rising living costs.

 

And with 70% of Chinese household wealth tied up in real estate, a big slowdown in the sector is trickling through to other parts of the economy.

 

THERE HAVE BEEN MAJOR CONCERNS OVER CHINA'S ECONOMY BEFORE. IS THIS TIME DIFFERENT?

Alarm bells over the economy rang during the global financial crisis in 2008-09 and during a capital outflow scare in 2015. China revived confidence then with a shock boost to infrastructure investment and by encouraging property market speculation, among other measures.

 

 

But the infrastructure upgrades have created too much debt, and the property bubble has burst, posing risks to financial stability today.

 

Given China's debt-fuelled investment in infrastructure and property has peaked and exports are slowing in line with the global economy, China only has one other source of demand to tinker with: household consumption.

 

In that sense, this slowdown is different.

 

Whether China bounces back largely depends on whether it can convince households to spend more and save less, and whether they will do so to such an extent that consumer demand compensates for weaknesses elsewhere in the economy.

 

Read on:

https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/why-is-chinas-economy-slowing-down-could-it-get-worse-2023-09-01/

 

 

=> These projections are nice but they related often to uncertain predictions.

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

So China is totally unselfish and the angel of all economies....

 

Is that what the Guest is saying?

 

Does anyone believe this bullsh...?

 

For those who are intelligent, they would know: Take out the investment monies of the US and see what is left on growth in the world.

 

You forget where the monies are coming from for plenty of these investments.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by singalion

[Guest kumlan冰冰]

Tell us more serious matters please!

 

Where to suck China guys

[Guest Guest 123]

1 hour ago, singalion said:

So China is totally unselfish and the angel of all economies....

 

Is that what the Guest is saying?

 

Does anyone believe this bullsh...?

 

For those who are intelligent, they would know: Take out the investment monies of the US and see what is left on growth in the world.

 

You forget where the monies are coming from for plenty of these investments.

 

 

Nope, it's a win win for both China and the world unlike US who either bomb countries and help countries with unilateral conditions dictated by US.

 

Sure, China is no angel but who's the greater evil compared to the US who supports lsrael to butcher civilians and commits ethnic cleansing.

 

There are people who believe unlike bullshit like you. Dun be yaya, the US greenback is losing influence cos everyone knows that the US is doing damage to the worl5 economy.  Hopefully there is a world currency to dethrone the greenback so that we are no longer held hostage by this despicable war mongering country. 

[singalion]

 

This thread is about China.

 

Your point on warmongering have been debunked earlier.

If you have issues in accepting that Russia invaded Ukraine in Feb 2022 and Hamas attacked Israel in the first week of October this year... then... US has not started any war in Gaza or anything.

 

We all know who is behind these anti US posts here. No need to hide behind Guest posts.

 

The US currency has been strengthening the past three to five months. The strengthening started already in 2022.

 

You also ignore that China doesn't intend to internationalise its currency because it would lose the immediate control.

 

If I look at the debt trap that China has been placing on other countries, ... deciding on the country that is more selfish and meaner towards other nations, everyone can draw it's own conclusions.

 

 

Just look at what happened with Sri Lanka... It is a good example how China screws other countries...

 

 

[singalion]

The introverted power: Why this time really might be different for China’s economy

China’s zero-covid fallout may represent the start of a new chapter for China – one in which it becomes an increasingly unpredictable force in the world

 

19 October 2023

 

 

Predictions of imminent and apparently inevitable ‘major economic crisis’ in China have been made ever since the country entered its era of post-Mao growth. Some China-watchers argue the nature of the Chinese Communist Party and its state-centric approach will sooner or later lead to economic decline; others point to the country’s demographic problems and its falling productivity.

 

Indeed, the Chinese economy’s major structural weaknesses are nothing new, from its growing debt to its unsustainable property market. But two new elements may really herald the end of China’s rapid economic rise: Beijing’s erratic response to the pandemic; and the deteriorating domestic and international political climate, which seriously constrains the Chinese leadership’s room for manoeuvre – and which is a situation at least partly of its own making.

 

At the beginning of this year, the Chinese government put an abrupt end to its severe ‘zero-covid’ policy. This move provided a short-lived economic rebound, but the momentum quickly dissipated. By July, macroeconomic data was showing a faster than expected deterioration in the housing market, alongside low retail sales and investment. As a result, international financial institutions cut forecasts for China’s 2023 GDP growth to around 4.5 per cent from almost 5 per cent. In the context of China’s economic rise, this is a significant drop; yet even this may prove optimistic.

 

China’s brutal domestic handling of the pandemic saw the country endure unpredictable lockdowns and arbitrary enforcement of different rules and standards. This seems to have led many Chinese households to anticipate more hard times ahead rather than spend the savings they set aside during the pandemic, in contrast to their counterparts in the West. The result is “economic long covid”, on a scale unlike anything seen elsewhere. Together with record-high youth unemployment and declining fertility rates, as well as memories still fresh of last year’s social unrest on the streets, Chinese public sentiment is distinctly downbeat.

 

When China faced the challenge of the 2008 global financial crisis, it was able to implement an ambitious stimulus package focused on infrastructure development and reconstruction works. One serious side-effect of hurriedly mass-building bridges, airports, and high-speed railways was the creation of a property bubble, which has now already popped. Another large stimulus scenario is therefore highly improbable. Instead, China seems to be doing little more than making minor tweaks, such as trimming its foreign currency deposit reserves to support the renminbi. Beijing has also been implementing its ‘dual circulation strategy’, which focuses on promoting domestic spending while developing partnerships with select foreign partners. Yet this too is likely to make only a marginal difference in the context of the current downturn.

 

Today, rather than the all-out pursuit of growth, the Chinese leadership’s principal goal is to insulate the country from external shocks

 

Today, rather than the all-out pursuit of growth, the Chinese leadership’s principal goal is to insulate the country from external shocks and increase its economic and technological self-reliance – even if this comes at a cost. It means more concentrated efforts to build up China’s high-tech industry, which has been negatively affected by US restrictions, along with a drive to stimulate innovation in strategic sectors.

 

The gloomy international environment only complicates the situation for Beijing even further. Back in 2008, many, including in China itself, saw Chinese stimulus policies as a way of pulling the world out of the crisis. But this “shock-absorbing function” of an aspiring ‘responsible power’ is a thing of the past: in an environment now dominated by the weaponisation of economic ties, war in Europe, and growing tensions between Washington and Beijing, China is trying to selectively limit its dependence on the outside world. In support of this, the Chinese leadership is turning the country inward, pumping up the nationalist rhetoric, and pointing to security concerns to justify the country’s worsening economic performance in the face of adversaries both real and imagined. For example, many observers believe a campaign led by Chinese diplomats and state-affiliated media against Japan’s allegedly irresponsible treatment of water connected to the Fukushima disaster was a concerted effort to direct public attention away from China’s domestic problems.

 

Thus, by completely reorientating its foreign policy towards strategic rivalry with America, China has hampered itself in other policy areas. Crucially, by dialling up its anti-US rhetoric and implementing revisionist policies, the country has lost credibility among many in the West, including in Europe. With China’s ‘responsible power’ claims long gone, many foreign investors are unwilling to look twice.  

 

Europeans should absorb the lessons of the country’s inward turn. Beijing will inevitably try to put right its relations by attempting to convince Europeans that China has not fundamentally changed; that it remains a reliable and open partner. Yet the reality is that China will conceal its true motives from Europeans. And given Xi Jinping’s tight grip on power, Chinese behaviour is likely to remain unpredictable, as with the zero covid policy and eventual exit thereof, with all the implications it has had for China’s economy and society. As they shape their China policy, European decision-makers should embrace, or at least acknowledge, this increased unpredictability – and prepare for the era of China the introverted superpower.

 

https://ecfr.eu/article/the-introverted-power-why-this-time-really-might-be-different-for-chinas-economy/

[singalion]

 

 

China suffers plunging foreign direct investment amid geopolitical tensions

 

Financial Times analysis shows FDI tumbled 34% in September after recording double-digit falls every month since May

 

October 29 2023

 

 

Foreign direct investment into China is falling across multiple measures, adding to pressure on Beijing and local governments as they seek to counter an economic slowdown.

 

Financial Times calculations based on Chinese commerce ministry data compiled by Wind show that FDI fell 34 per cent to Rmb72.8bn ($10bn) year on year in September, the biggest decline since monthly figures became available in 2014.

 

The weakness in FDI has been part of a steady march of disappointing economic readings since China lifted pandemic restrictions at the start of the year. While FDI leapt 15 per cent in January on the previous year, it has recorded double-digit percentage declines every month since May.

 

In renminbi terms, year-to-date inflows under China’s commerce ministry data remain just 8 per cent short of last year’s record pace. But the country’s balance of payments data also reveals a deteriorating picture of foreign investment.

 

Direct investment liabilities, a gauge of foreign capital flowing into the country, were $6.7bn in the second quarter, based on a September readjustment of earlier figures, the lowest of any quarter since 2000 and down from $21bn in the first three months of the year.

 

 

Recent falls contrast with the boom in foreign investment that China enjoyed during the pandemic even as the country was almost sealed off to the outside world. FDI reached an annual record of $189bn in 2022, according to commerce ministry data.

 

The most recent commerce ministry FDI data is only available in renminbi, after the government stopped releasing dollar-denominated monthly FDI figures in August. It also stopped publishing youth unemployment figures in July.

 

 

Brad Setser, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the data suggested that “foreign companies are no longer reinvesting back in China”. Instead, he added, “they are getting [their] profits out of the country as fast as they can”.

 

 

 

 

Full Article:

https://www.ft.com/content/56294843-7eff-4b83-9fa2-c46fb4ac1278

 

 

 

 

[singalion]

 

 

China ‘world’s biggest debt collector’ as poorer nations struggle with its loans

Country, estimated to be owed up to $1.5trn, is increasing penalties for late payments and cutting back on infrastructure projects

 

 

Mon 6 Nov 2023

 

China has become the world’s biggest debt collector, as the money it is owed from developing countries has surged to between $1.1tn (£889bn) and $1.5tn, according to a new report. An estimated 80% of China’s overseas lending portfolio in the global south is now supporting countries in financial distress.

 

Since 2017, China has been the world’s biggest bilateral lender; its main development banks issued nearly $500bn between 2008 and 2021. While some of this predates the belt and road initiative (BRI), Beijing’s flagship development programme has mobilised much of the investment in developing countries.

 

But a new report by researchers at the AidData research lab at William & Mary, a public university in Virginia, found that China, the world’s second largest economy, is now navigating the role of international debt collector as well as being a bilateral funder of major infrastructure projects.

 

The researchers found that as the debts to Chinese lenders have mounted, the number of suspended or cancelled projects has also increased. With a high share of lending directed towards countries in, or at risk of, financial distress, Beijing is now increasingly worried about the risk of defaults.

 

In June, Zambia reached a historic deal to restructure $6.3bn of debt, two-thirds of which is owed to the Export-Import Bank of China, one of the country’s two main policy banks.

 

To mitigate the risk of future defaults, Chinese policymakers have introduced a number of measures, including reducing loans for infrastructure projects while ramping up emergency lending. In 2015, infrastructure project lending accounted for more than 60% of China’s loan portfolio.

 

Another way in which Chinese lenders have been trying to lower their exposure to risk is by increasing the penalties for late repayments, a move that may alienate borrowers.

 

 

The terms and conditions of specific Chinese loans are often not transparent, but economists estimate that Chinese government loans to low-income countries typically have a 2% interest rate compared with the 1.54% norm for the World Bank’s concessional loans. But the AidData researchers found that between the early years of the BRI (2014-2017) and the latter period (2018-2021), Chinese lenders increased the maximum penalty interest rate for late repayments from 3% to 8.7%.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/06/china-worlds-biggest-debt-collector-as-poorer-nations-struggle-with-its-loans

 

[Startup]

A months-old Chinese startup released an open-source large language model this weekend that already bests Meta’s Llama 2, according to one analysis.

 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkax5n/china-us-ai-arms-race-heats-up-as-chinese-startup-unveils-powerful-new-ai

 

[Startup]

Ken Griffin says investors need to invest in China as IMF boosts growth forecast

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-boosts-china-economic-growth-forecast-039a754a

 

 

[singalion]

There were posters here who claimed Xi would not travel to San Francisco...

 

ha ha. how wrong they were.

 

US and Chinese presidents meet in San Francisco to discuss the economy, climate, military relations and Taiwan

 

 

 

Joe Biden meets with Chinese president Xi Jinping in Woodside, California, on 15 November 2023

 

 

Joe Biden and Xi Jinping met in California on Wednesday, exchanging handshakes and smiles as they embarked on face-to-face dialogues that both sides hope will stabilise US-China relations.

The US president opened his remarks by saying that tensions between the two countries should “not veer into conflict”.

The Chinese president responded by saying that “turning their back on each other is not an option” for the superpowers. “Planet Earth is big enough for the two countries to succeed, and one country’s success is an opportunity for the other,” he said.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sweetie Pie]

17 minutes ago, singalion said:

There were posters here who claimed Xi would not travel to San Francisco...

 

ha ha. how wrong they were.

 

US and Chinese presidents meet in San Francisco to discuss the economy, climate, military relations and Taiwan

 

Giving Joe Biden and his team of morons the benefit of the doubt was not in Xi's plans. China's only chance of communicating with the White House is to amuse them with rhetorics.  Not long after the warm meeting and handshakes, Joe Biden continued to refer to Xi as a dictator publicly.  What is new in America politics?

 

Xi's top priority is actually to meet with Wall Street CEOs and cultivate relationships with American businesspeople rather than American politicians.   To improve Chinese ties with Americans now starts from America people while White House politicans are placed last on the card in China new book.

[singalion]

36 minutes ago, Sweetie Pie said:

Giving Joe Biden and his team of morons the benefit of the doubt was not in Xi's plans. China's only chance of communicating with the White House is to amuse them with rhetorics.  Not long after the warm meeting and handshakes, Joe Biden continued to refer to Xi as a dictator publicly.  What is new in America politics?

 

Xi's top priority is actually to meet with Wall Street CEOs and cultivate relationships with American businesspeople rather than American politicians.   To improve Chinese ties with Americans now starts from America people while White House politicans are placed last on the card in China new book.

 

The  meet up with business leaders just illustrates how desperate Xi has got to improve his home country's declining economy ...

 

Xi didn't even give any optimistic outlook on investing in China, Xi wasted his efforts:

 

U.S. Executives Get No Reassurance From Xi on Tougher China Business Environment

Chinese leader makes no mention of trade and investment at dinner with business leaders

Nov. 16, 2023

 

SAN FRANCISCO—Foreign capital is fleeing China. Yet on his first trip to the U.S. in six years, Chinese leader Xi Jinping didn’t make a pitch to win back American businesses and investors.

 

Instead, at a Wednesday evening dinner with U.S. corporate chiefs and other guests, Xi sought to enlist American corporations’ help in easing bilateral tensions, emphasizing the room for both nations to work together—a theme of his trip.

 

https://www.wsj.com/world/china/chinas-xi-draws-standing-ovation-from-u-s-business-leadersand-some-doubts-13fc3ad2

 

 

 

The US business leaders probably also financed Xi's trip to San Francisco as they had to bulk up 2,000 to 40,000 USD for attending the dinner....more signs how run down China has become...

 

 

Quote:

Those in attendance for the $2,000-per-plate dinner included Apple CEO Tim Cook, Blackstone CEO Stephen Schwarzman and leaders from Pfizer, FedEx, Boeing and KKR, according to The Wall Street Journal.

 

Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), chairman of the House Select Committee on China, railed against the American companies’ decision to attend the dinner.

 

“It is unconscionable that American companies might pay thousands of dollars to join a ‘welcome dinner’ hosted by the very same [Chinese Communist Party] officials who have facilitated a genocide against millions of innocent men, women, and children in Xinjiang,” Gallagher wrote in a statement earlier this week.  

 

Gallagher is requesting that the event’s organizers — the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations and the U.S.-China Business Council — provide a full list of the individuals, companies and other entities that purchased tickets to the dinner as well as information on how those profits will be distributed between the event’s organizers and other entities.

 

The Wisconsin Republican is also asking for the names of those that paid a $40,000 fee to sit at the table with Xi, along with any steps the event organizers have taken to “defend human rights in China and to prevent the genocide of Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities in Xinjiang.”

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by singalion

[Sweetie Pie]

30 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

The  meet up with business leaders just illustrates how desperate Xi has got to improve his home country's declining economy ...

 

Xi didn't even give any optimistic outlook on investing in China, Xi wasted his efforts:

 

China's pie is bigger and more affordable than many countries combined.  America businessmen are absolutely hungry, by the look of fortune 500 attendees at the business event and they hope China will be more understanding of their situation.  There's a catch, though: in order to stop the White House from harassing Chinese businesses in America, these businessmen must first put more pressure on their politicians to stop stirring anti-China emotions.

[singalion]

As if the business leaders from US are really interested in China....

 

Those who are already involved in China maybe, but the big majority?

 

 

Chinese President Xi’s ‘siren call’ to US business hits great wall of skepticism

U.S. investors and businesses remain wary of the business climate in China amid an economic slowdown and crackdown on the private sector.

 

 

11/16/2023 06:47 PM EST

 

SAN FRANCISCO — Chinese President Xi Jinping is using his first trip to the U.S. in six years to try and lure back American investors and businesses spooked by his country’s authoritarian turn.

 

But despite a warm response from U.S. business titans — who gave Xi a standing ovation at a dinner in San Francisco Wednesday night — many companies aren’t buying the Chinese leader’s assurances on his country’s business climate.

 

Xi’s remarks “are unlikely to resolve the legitimate concern of U.S. business leaders that [government] actions in China are making it even harder than in the past for foreign businesses to operate in China,” said Robert Holleyman, former deputy U.S. trade representative responsible for trade and investment relations with Asia.

 

 

Xi sought to assuage some of those concerns in his remarks at Wednesday’s lavish dinner, put on by the U.S.-China Business Council and the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations and sponsored by corporate CEOs including Apple’s Tim Cook, BlackRock’s Larry Fink and Mastercard’s Merit Janow, as well as his address to foreign leaders at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit Thursday.

 

But it did little to paper over the deep uncertainty American business leaders feel about the direction of China’s policies and its economy — which has slowed dramatically in recent years.

 

As Jake Colvin, head of the National Foreign Trade Council, which represents large American firms, emphasized, “the issues haven’t gotten any easier to resolve.”

 

China’s massive market of 1.4 billion people and its multibillion-dollar infrastructure investments continue to draw interest from foreign investors. But those incentives are increasingly outweighed by foreign investor concerns about the potential dangers of operating in China.

 

“Xi is trying hard to create a welcoming business environment for American businesses … but there are now fears [among investors] about their personal physical security doing business in China,” said Ben Zhang, the chief executive of the Seattle-based firm Greater Pacific which has done import-export business with China for almost three decades.

 

Beijing’s recent raids on foreign firms including Mintz Group and Bain & Company have spooked the country’s foreign business community. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce warned in a statement in April that China’s newly revised counter-espionage law “dramatically increases the uncertainties of doing business in the People’s Republic.” And the State Department advises all U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to China due to “arbitrary enforcement of local laws … and the risk of wrongful detentions.” Those factors prompted Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo to declare in August that China was increasingly “uninvestable” for U.S. businesses.

 

U.S. firms particularly fear Beijing may force them to hand over intellectual property as a condition of operating in China, and about the Chinese government “tilting the playing field” by subsidizing domestic firms over foreign competitors, Colvin said.

 

The U.S.-China trade war, triggered when former President Donald Trump slapped a range of steep tariffs on Chinese exports, is another factor hampering investment, said Siva Yam, president of the Chicago-based U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce. “In the last 18 months, we have been hearing a lot of [small and medium-sized enterprises] are looking for other opportunities, some are even closing their factories — for them to come back to China is going to be a big challenge.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/16/china-us-xi-biden-california-00127708

 

 

=> in the end it boils down again on Trump's bad policy moves....

 

 

[Steve5380]

7 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

 

Giving Joe Biden and his team of morons the benefit of the doubt was not in Xi's plans. China's only chance of communicating with the White House is to amuse them with rhetorics.  Not long after the warm meeting and handshakes, Joe Biden continued to refer to Xi as a dictator publicly.  What is new in America politics?

 

 

Please don't contradict REALITY.   Xi  IS REALLY a dirty DICTATOR, who went after ABSOLUTE POWER.  He is a TOTALITARIAN leader.   Many dictators don't ascend to power through force, but with help of evil politics.  This was the case with Hitler and Mussolini.

[Guest Hypocrite Biden]

2 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Please don't contradict REALITY.   Xi  IS REALLY a dirty DICTATOR, who went after ABSOLUTE POWER.  He is a TOTALITARIAN leader.   Many dictators don't ascend to power through force, but with help of evil politics.  This was the case with Hitler and Mussolini.

 

At least Xi is much better than the hypocrite Biden who pretends to be an angel but is in fact a cold blooded devil who supports  and  gives aid to Israel to annihilate Palestinians in Gaza. For him to call Xi a dictator, please take a piss and look at himself, a white trash who treats innocent Palestinian civilians worthless human  beings and collateral  damage of war worthy  of being massacred to justify Israel's unhinged quest for revenge.  I wonder who's the real evil. 

[Guest Total idiot Steve]

7 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Please don't contradict REALITY.   Xi  IS REALLY a dirty DICTATOR, who went after ABSOLUTE POWER.  He is a TOTALITARIAN leader.   Many dictators don't ascend to power through force, but with help of evil politics.  This was the case with Hitler and Mussolini.

 

This guy is a total idiot who writes absolute rubbish. 

 

He goes after young Chinese guys and my guess is that he was captured in China for his sexual offences there. That explains his absolute hate against Xi.

 

Even if Xi is a dictator, he is at least a benign one who doesn't invade or attack other countries like Hitler or Biden.

 

America may be a democratic country but it stops at nothing to destroy other countries. Till now nobody has been able to justify why the US was able to use a packet of washing powder to invade Iraq.

 

The last straw was when Biden opposes ceasefire at Gaza every single time when it was put on resolution at UN security council meetings. To condone the killing of babies?! How evil can a nation get? 

[Steve5380]

8 hours ago, Guest Hypocrite Biden said:

 

At least Xi is much better than the hypocrite Biden who pretends to be an angel but is in fact a cold blooded devil who supports  and  gives aid to Israel to annihilate Palestinians in Gaza. For him to call Xi a dictator, please take a piss and look at himself, a white trash who treats innocent Palestinian civilians worthless human  beings and collateral  damage of war worthy  of being massacred to justify Israel's unhinged quest for revenge.  I wonder who's the real evil. 

 

I agree that Biden does not have the balls to do what is morally right and oppose Netanyahu's slaughtering of Palestinian civilians.  But... what can you expect from a politician?  Politics has been his whole life,  and although his party is the good, decent, progressive one,  he cannot ignore the danger of the Republicans,  who,  if he would not help Israel,  they would eat him alive  (figurative meaning) and bury him with their falsities like they are doing already.  The Jewish Zionists have taken hold of the American politics,  and they will get out of America everything they can.  Sad!

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Guest Total idiot Steve said:

 

This guy is a total idiot who writes absolute rubbish. 

 

He goes after young Chinese guys and my guess is that he was captured in China for his sexual offences there. That explains his absolute hate against Xi.

 

Even if Xi is a dictator, he is at least a benign one who doesn't invade or attack other countries like Hitler or Biden.

 

America may be a democratic country but it stops at nothing to destroy other countries. Till now nobody has been able to justify why the US was able to use a packet of washing powder to invade Iraq.

 

The last straw was when Biden opposes ceasefire at Gaza every single time when it was put on resolution at UN security council meetings. To condone the killing of babies?! How evil can a nation get? 

 

Your This guy is...  YOU!  Your post is absolute rubbish.  I have NEVER been in mainland China, and I have no plans to ever step in there, with this dictator Xi who leads a totalitarian government.  

 

So you think that XI is a BENIGN dictator?  Why?  Because he grins and waves his hand???  Does not invade or attack other countries?   How about Hong Kong, Tibet, disputed areas on the border with India, and...   a permanent threat to invade Taiwan!  Dictator Xi tries to capture the whole South China Sea, in violation of international rules.   Xi is now miserably exploiting third-world countries who are in distress by lending them money they cannot repay, and then grab them with iron fist.  A COLONIZER?  Xi's belligerence is the reason America also navigates the water close to China to make sure legality is upheld and smaller nations neighboring China are protected from PRC aggression.

[Sweetie Pie]

2 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

 Does not invade or attack other countries?   How about Hong Kong, Tibet, disputed areas on the border with India, and...   a permanent threat to invade Taiwan!

I wholeheartedly supported China's actions, both internally and with UN support.   Actually, it is absolutely and unequivocally legal, and the only nation that cares about it is America—especially your Republican Party. If you live in a world where China's activities have infuriated you, then President Xi has succeeded in his endeavors.  To make your time productive, please feel free to be furious, tense, depressed, and unhappy. If at all feasible, organize a protest march in your state.    Otherwise, there's no need discussing your imaginary threat.

 

2 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I agree that Biden does not have the balls to do what is morally right and oppose Netanyahu's slaughtering of Palestinian civilians.  But... what can you expect from a politician?  Politics has been his whole life,  and although his party is the good, decent, progressive one,  he cannot ignore the danger of the Republicans,  who,  if he would not help Israel,  they would eat him alive  (figurative meaning) and bury him with their falsities like they are doing already.  The Jewish Zionists have taken hold of the American politics,  and they will get out of America everything they can.  Sad!

That is what happens when your nation lacks a strongman like Xi.  Joe Biden can threaten China 8400 miles abroad, close to China backyard, if he lacks the balls to do so within his own country?  We won't be offended by your illogical comments because we know denialists like you and @singalionare well known for not making sense on so many levels in this forum.

[singalion]

Please note once again that the topic of this thread is China and not Israel or Palestine...

 

Please only post into the relevant topics and don't always shift the thread topic to other out of topic matters...

 

 

[singalion]

2 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

That is what happens when your nation lacks a strongman like Xi.  Joe Biden can threaten China 8400 miles abroad, close to China backyard, if he lacks the balls to do so within his own country?  We won't be offended by your illogical comments because we know denialists like you and @singalionare well known for not making sense on so many levels in this forum.

 

Most of your posts are just unsubstantiated claims or opinions that are not evidenced by any facts.

 

You can claim a lot but as long as you don't offer any substantiation to your claims, there are without any worth.

 

 

BW readers are fully aware what persons or Members here are the true denialists or come with fictional post in denial of facts and who post falsities and untruths into BW.

 

BW readers are also aware what Members or Guests post illogical things that do not make any sense at all.

 

Look into the mirror, then probably you will see one of them.

 

 

[singalion]

2 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

then President Xi has succeeded in his endeavors.  To make your time productive, please feel free to be furious, tense, depressed, and unhappy. If at all feasible, organize a protest march in your state.    Otherwise, there's no need discussing your imaginary threat.

 

 

Oh, where did Xi succeed in anything?

 

Nice new claim again....

 

The opposition against Xi and China is getting stronger from the neighbours.

 

 

 

Philippines supplies outpost despite Chinese attempts to block

 

The Philippines said it has successfully shipped fresh supplies to a military outpost in a shoal in the South China Sea despite what it described as attempts by Chinese vessels "to block, harass and interfere” with the mission.

A "significant number” of Chinese coast guard and maritime militia vessels tried to stop the latest resupply mission carried out by the Philippine military and coast guard on Wednesday, Manila’s National Security Council said in a statement

 

The Philippines has been regularly shipping provisions to a World War II-era ship in Second Thomas Shoal that has served as its outpost in the disputed sea since 1999. But Manila has said China’s coast guard and maritime militia ships had constantly tried to block these missions and the Philippines has been publishing videos and images of these encounters to back up its claims.

The Philippines said a Chinese coast guard ship blocked and fired water cannons at a supply vessel on Aug. 5, which prompted Manila to issue a diplomatic note. China’s coast guard has said its actions were professional and justified.

In another shoal in the South China Sea, Manila said last week that it removed a barrier that was installed by China.

 

 

Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. ramping up protests over China’s actions since he took power last year. Despite a 2016 international arbitral tribunal ruling that invalidated its expansive claims, China has been building up several unoccupied land features in the South China Sea.

 

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/10/05/asia-pacific/politics/philippines-sea-outpost-china-block/

 

 

Chinese ships block, pursue Philippine vessels as U.S. renews warning it will defend its ally

World Nov 11

 

 

ABOARD THE BRP CABRA (AP) — As a U.S. Navy surveillance plane flew in circles, keeping a close watch, dozens of Chinese coast guard and accompanying ships chased and encircled Philippine vessels in the latest confrontation in one of the most dangerous flashpoints in the South China Sea.

 

At the height of Friday’s four-hour faceoff in the high seas, a Chinese coast guard ship blasted a water cannon toward a Philippine motorboat delivering food and other supplies to Filipino forces on a marooned, rusting warship that serves as the country’s fragile territorial outpost at Second Thomas Shoal.

 

There are fears that the recurring confrontations at Second Thomas Shoal, which lies within the U.N.-sanctioned Philippine exclusive economic zone but is claimed by China and surrounded by its flotilla, could ignite an armed conflict pitting the U.S. against China. Philippine officials said Saturday they would never take any step that could ignite a larger conflict but would not be deterred in defending the country’s sovereign rights in the South China Sea.

Despite the Chinese blockades and coercive maneuvers, the Philippine contingent managed to deliver supplies to the handful of Filipino marines aboard the BRP Sierra Madre and left without incident. The slightly listing Philippine warship, donated by the U.S., has been crumbling with age but is still actively commissioned, meaning an armed attack would be considered by Manila as an act of war.

 

The campaign to expose China’s aggression at sea would continue, Tarriela said in a news conference, where photographs, video and drone shots of Friday’s confrontations were shown.

“I believe that our effort in transparency initiative has been very successful in rallying support from the international community to condemn the illegal actions of China and to make the Filipino people aware of what’s happening,” Tarriela said.

 

The U.S. State Department renewed a warning that Washington is obligated to defend the Philippines under a 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty if Filipino forces, public vessels or aircraft, including those of its coast guard ”face an armed attack “anywhere in the South China Sea.”

 

“The PRC’s actions are inconsistent with international law and follow a pattern of dangerous operational behavior in the South China Sea,” the State Department said in a statement. It cited a 2016 international arbitration decision that invalidated China’s expansive claims to the waterway on historic grounds, including Second Thomas Shoal.

 

 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/chinese-ships-block-pursue-philippine-vessels-as-u-s-renews-warning-it-will-defend-its-ally

 

 

[singalion]

Just now, singalion said:

 

 

Oh, where did Xi succeed in anything?

 

Nice new claim again....

 

The opposition against Xi and China is getting stronger from the neighbours.

 

 

 

Philippines supplies outpost despite Chinese attempts to block

 

The Philippines said it has successfully shipped fresh supplies to a military outpost in a shoal in the South China Sea despite what it described as attempts by Chinese vessels "to block, harass and interfere” with the mission.

A "significant number” of Chinese coast guard and maritime militia vessels tried to stop the latest resupply mission carried out by the Philippine military and coast guard on Wednesday, Manila’s National Security Council said in a statement

 

The Philippines has been regularly shipping provisions to a World War II-era ship in Second Thomas Shoal that has served as its outpost in the disputed sea since 1999. But Manila has said China’s coast guard and maritime militia ships had constantly tried to block these missions and the Philippines has been publishing videos and images of these encounters to back up its claims.

The Philippines said a Chinese coast guard ship blocked and fired water cannons at a supply vessel on Aug. 5, which prompted Manila to issue a diplomatic note. China’s coast guard has said its actions were professional and justified.

In another shoal in the South China Sea, Manila said last week that it removed a barrier that was installed by China.

 

 

Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. ramping up protests over China’s actions since he took power last year. Despite a 2016 international arbitral tribunal ruling that invalidated its expansive claims, China has been building up several unoccupied land features in the South China Sea.

 

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/10/05/asia-pacific/politics/philippines-sea-outpost-china-block/

 

 

Chinese ships block, pursue Philippine vessels as U.S. renews warning it will defend its ally

World Nov 11

 

 

ABOARD THE BRP CABRA (AP) — As a U.S. Navy surveillance plane flew in circles, keeping a close watch, dozens of Chinese coast guard and accompanying ships chased and encircled Philippine vessels in the latest confrontation in one of the most dangerous flashpoints in the South China Sea.

 

At the height of Friday’s four-hour faceoff in the high seas, a Chinese coast guard ship blasted a water cannon toward a Philippine motorboat delivering food and other supplies to Filipino forces on a marooned, rusting warship that serves as the country’s fragile territorial outpost at Second Thomas Shoal.

 

There are fears that the recurring confrontations at Second Thomas Shoal, which lies within the U.N.-sanctioned Philippine exclusive economic zone but is claimed by China and surrounded by its flotilla, could ignite an armed conflict pitting the U.S. against China. Philippine officials said Saturday they would never take any step that could ignite a larger conflict but would not be deterred in defending the country’s sovereign rights in the South China Sea.

Despite the Chinese blockades and coercive maneuvers, the Philippine contingent managed to deliver supplies to the handful of Filipino marines aboard the BRP Sierra Madre and left without incident. The slightly listing Philippine warship, donated by the U.S., has been crumbling with age but is still actively commissioned, meaning an armed attack would be considered by Manila as an act of war.

 

The campaign to expose China’s aggression at sea would continue, Tarriela said in a news conference, where photographs, video and drone shots of Friday’s confrontations were shown.

“I believe that our effort in transparency initiative has been very successful in rallying support from the international community to condemn the illegal actions of China and to make the Filipino people aware of what’s happening,” Tarriela said.

 

The U.S. State Department renewed a warning that Washington is obligated to defend the Philippines under a 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty if Filipino forces, public vessels or aircraft, including those of its coast guard ”face an armed attack “anywhere in the South China Sea.”

 

“The PRC’s actions are inconsistent with international law and follow a pattern of dangerous operational behavior in the South China Sea,” the State Department said in a statement. It cited a 2016 international arbitration decision that invalidated China’s expansive claims to the waterway on historic grounds, including Second Thomas Shoal.

 

 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/chinese-ships-block-pursue-philippine-vessels-as-u-s-renews-warning-it-will-defend-its-ally

 

 

 

So these are the peaceful actions by China and Xi following the rule of law as some Guest and one member claims here in this thread???

 

How dare you!

 

 

 

[Sweetie Pie]

2 hours ago, singalion said:

 

 

Oh, where did Xi succeed in anything?

 

Nice new claim again....

 

The opposition against Xi and China is getting stronger from the neighbours.

 

 

With a land boundary of some 22,800 km, China is bordered by North Korea (friend of China)  to the east; Mongolia (Friend of China) to the north; Russia (strong Allies of China now) to the northeast; Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan (all loves President Xi)  to the northwest; Afghanistan, Pakistan (Friendly nations of China), India (very Jealous of China success), Nepal (Friend of China) and Bhutan (Friend of China)  to the west and southwest; and Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam (All friends of China) to the south.   Where did the neighbour hates came from, your mouth?

 

If you are referring to other neighbours across the sea like (Phillipines, South Korea and Japan), these countries have one thing in common, America expansion of military bases in these proxy countries to stir shit in China water. You don't want such neighbours and its mastermind in your backyard

Edited November 18, 2023 by Sweetie Pie

[singalion]

5 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

With a land boundary of some 22,800 km, China is bordered by North Korea (friend of China)  to the east; Mongolia (Friend of China) to the north; Russia (strong Allies of China now) to the northeast; Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan (all loves President Xi)  to the northwest; Afghanistan, Pakistan (Friendly nations of China), India (very Jealous of China success), Nepal (Friend of China) and Bhutan (Friend of China)  to the west and southwest; and Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam (All friends of China) to the south.   Where did the neighbour hates came from, your mouth?

 

If you are referring to other neighbours across the sea like (Phillipines, South Korea and Japan), these countries have one thing in common, America expansion of military bases in these proxy countries to stir shit in China water. You don't want such neighbours and its mastermind in your backyard

 

Your post seems your wishful thinking but reflects lack of knowledge of facts. 

 

 

Laos is spiraling toward a debt crisis as China looms large

• , Nov 10 2023
• Laos borrowed billions from President Xi Jinping’s administration to finance railways, highways and hydroelectric dams, which has ballooned public debt to over 100% of GDP.
• Combined with a currency crisis and soaring inflation, Laos is on the brink of economic collapse.

 

 

 

Rough Waters Ahead for Vietnam-China Relations

Vietnam’s relationship with China is complex and often troubled. Hanoi and Beijing have long issued diplomatic statements hailing their ideological solidarity and similar systems of government, but these shows of goodwill often have been undercut by maritime territorial disputes, security concerns, and geopolitical competition.

 

 

 

Kazakhs have long feared a Chinese invasion, or at the least a slow colonisation. A closer examination suggests Kazakhstan is taking advantage ..

 

 

Analysis

Mongolia Is Keen to Distance Itself From Moscow and Beijing

Internationalism is key to Ulaanbaatar’s strategy.

 

 

Nepal and Bhutan are not friends of China. 

 

Both have territorial disputes with China and China doing exactly the same what it does in the South China Sea. 

China encroaching along Nepal border - report

• Published
   

8 February 2022

 

 

A Nepalese government report leaked to the BBC accuses China of encroaching into Nepal along the two countries' shared border.

It is the first time there have been official claims from Nepal of Chinese interference in its territory.

The report was commissioned last September following claims that China has been trespassing in the district of Humla, in the far west of Nepal.

 

 

China steps up construction along disputed Bhutan border

Published Jan. 12, 2022

China has accelerated settlement-building along its disputed border with Bhutan, with more than 200 structures, including two-storey buildings, under construction in six locations, according to satellite image analysis conducted for Reuters.

 

 

 

The picture you are trying to paint here is a bit much too rosy and doesn't reflect the facts. 

 

I think it is lack to any research and in depth knowledge. 

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by singalion

[Steve5380]

5 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

With a land boundary of some 22,800 km, China is bordered by North Korea (friend of China)  to the east; Mongolia (Friend of China) to the north; Russia (strong Allies of China now) to the northeast; Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan (all loves President Xi)  to the northwest; Afghanistan, Pakistan (Friendly nations of China), India (very Jealous of China success), Nepal (Friend of China) and Bhutan (Friend of China)  to the west and southwest; and Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam (All friends of China) to the south.   Where did the neighbour hates came from, your mouth?

 

If you are referring to other neighbours across the sea like (Phillipines, South Korea and Japan), these countries have one thing in common, America expansion of military bases in these proxy countries to stir shit in China water. You don't want such neighbours and its mastermind in your backyard

 

Hmmm...  what is your point?  Most nations have decent relationships with their neighbors.  America has excellent relations with Canada, and good relations with Mexico, their only neighbors.  But you cannot call India a "friendly nation with China".  Not at all.  There have been armed conflicts over their borders.   And... you fail to mention another neighbor of China: Tibet.

 

Tibet was an independent nation since the 14th century, and should rightfully be so.   In 1950 the PRC invaded and took control of Tibet, disregarding the fact that this country had been independent for centuries.  And NOW,  China wants to do the same with Taiwan, with the false argument that this island had been part of the mainland in the past.  So... if THE PAST is so important,  why is it disregarded by the PRC by taking control of a nation that was independent IN THE PAST?

 

The only reason America has a strong military presence in the South China Sea is that China ILLEGALLY tries to exert dominance over this whole sea, and Philippine, South Korea, Japan and especially Taiwan have called the US to protect them from their BULLY HUGE NEIGHBOR. 

 

With so many "friend of China" nations as you claim,  why does China need to build up his military force?  It can already destroy any of its neighbors with one hand tied behind its back. 

[Sweetie Pie]

8 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

 But you cannot call India a "friendly nation with China".  Not at all. 

 

Twisting my words again.  What is new to you?

14 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

 India (very Jealous of China success),

 

 

[Sweetie Pie]

8 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

With so many "friend of China" nations as you claim,  why does China need to build up his military force?

Which country didn't?  Even our own Ministers needed security protection inside Singapore itself.  I have no problem with China increasing its military might.  The only issue I see is that, in comparison to many other nations, China still has a relatively small military budget.  China must accelerate otherwise I am going to lost my patience with the country.

8 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

The only reason America has a strong military presence in the South China Sea is that China ILLEGALLY tries to exert dominance over this whole sea, and Philippine, South Korea, Japan and especially Taiwan have called the US to protect them from their BULLY HUGE NEIGHBOR.

America enjoys staging spectacles, in South China Sea but lack the balls like Joe Biden, and it has never been able to prevail in a conflict throughout history.  China is too lax about what happens in the South China Sea, and dozens Western media outlets love sneaking onto Philippine filmsy military vessels to collect images and videos in order to create anti-Chinese stories for their publications and incite anti-Chinese feeling in your nation.  It is also highly suspicious the American military base in the Philippines has also bribed the Filipino fisherman to stir up some trouble near China seas for western medias photo shoot. All these collected contents will be distributed to the western world with devious agenda in mind.  Again, to you what is new?

 

  What is new to you again?

Edited November 19, 2023 by Sweetie Pie

[singalion]

 

13 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Hmmm...  what is your point?  Most nations have decent relationships with their neighbors.  America has excellent relations with Canada, and good relations with Mexico, their only neighbors.  But you cannot call India a "friendly nation with China".  Not at all.  There have been armed conflicts over their borders.   And... you fail to mention another neighbor of China: Tibet.

 

Tibet was an independent nation since the 14th century, and should rightfully be so.   In 1950 the PRC invaded and took control of Tibet, disregarding the fact that this country had been independent for centuries.  And NOW,  China wants to do the same with Taiwan, with the false argument that this island had been part of the mainland in the past.  So... if THE PAST is so important,  why is it disregarded by the PRC by taking control of a nation that was independent IN THE PAST?

 

The only reason America has a strong military presence in the South China Sea is that China ILLEGALLY tries to exert dominance over this whole sea, and Philippine, South Korea, Japan and especially Taiwan have called the US to protect them from their BULLY HUGE NEIGHBOR. 

 

With so many "friend of China" nations as you claim,  why does China need to build up his military force?  It can already destroy any of its neighbors with one hand tied behind its back. 

 

4 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

Twisting my words again.  What is new to you?

 

 

4 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

Which country didn't?  Even our own Ministers needed security protection inside Singapore itself.  I have no problem with China increasing its military might.  The only issue I see is that, in comparison to many other nations, China still has a relatively small military budget.  China must accelerate otherwise I am going to lost my patience with the country.

America enjoys staging spectacles, in South China Sea but lack the balls like Joe Biden, and it has never been able to prevail in a conflict throughout history.  China is too lax about what happens in the South China Sea, and dozens Western media outlets love sneaking onto Philippine filmsy military vessels to collect images and videos in order to create anti-Chinese stories for their publications and incite anti-Chinese feeling in your nation.  It is also highly suspicious the American military base in the Philippines has also bribed the Filipino fisherman to stir up some trouble near China seas for western medias photo shoot. All these collected contents will be distributed to the western world with devious agenda in mind.  Again, to you what is new?

 

  What is new to you again?

 

Why bother about Sour Pie's unsupported claims he posts into BW. 

 

He did not make any effort to support his claims with any facts!

 

 

It are just drawn up CLAIMS that Sweetie Pie thinks are facts. 

 

Everyone can claim something but without substantiation such claims are without worth or value. 

 

I debunked his claims already...