Office politics

[gucici]

Seems like being smarter than boss, is not a good thing. Times has changed ya.. 

[Guest Guest]

Nowadays bosses also like their staff to be a 'yes yes' type, do not argue and show too much of your own thinking with boss, not a good thing too.

[gucici]

Ya. Just lick the boots. Best way to get promotion. Haha

[Guest Guest]

4 minutes ago, gucici said:

Ya. Just lick the boots. Best way to get promotion. Haha

This is so true. That's why i never able to get promotion because i don't lick the boots. My other colleagues every 2-4 years get promoted once. People might say that i cannot get promotion is due to my work performance no good, cannot blame people. 😂

[doncoin]

If you look at the way people interact, you usually pay attention or talk to people you are more familiar with versus those you do not know so well. The same thing happens at work. If you want to advance in your career, make an effort to know and interact with your boss. It is not so much about licking boots, but using the times spent with him or her as opportunities where you can show your capabilities. Keeping your head down is not going to get you noticed. 

 

You can be the best at what you do at work, but if the boss does not know, how can he or she fully utilise your skill? The boss's job is to ensure that tasks are delivered. A good boss will recognize that someone is better or smarter than him/her at certain tasks and assign more of such tasks to that person. For example, I suck at accounting. While I can do financial statements, it will take me twice as long and I have other things that I much prefer to do, instead of torturing myself. So I assign the accounting to someone who is better and smarter than me at that task than doing it myself, and then we go through the numbers together so that I have an understanding of what was done. 

 

A bad boss who is insecure, would try to do the tasks himself or herself, or have someone else do it, and then be pissed at that someone who did it because that person was able to do it, while they cannot. The bad boss would internalize their own failures and project that insecurity towards his/her team. People need to recognize their own strengths and weaknesses, accept them, and choose what to focus on that will bring them satisfaction at work.  

 

If you want that promotion, go have lunch with your boss. Spend time to get feedback from him/her and just ask directly what are the areas you can improve to advance your career. Make a plan based on the feedback, and get regular feedback from the boss. It is not licking boots. If your colleagues start accusing you of licking boots, it is on them. You need to tune toxic people out. Your colleagues are not going to be the ones getting you promoted. You are going to get you promoted. Sitting by your desk and waiting for that promotion as an entitlement is not going to move you up the ladder. 

 

 

[D.0284]

the boss also need to lick the boot of the clients de. sometimes have to go entertain de. in this world, interaction skills is important. many business prosper due to good marketing strategy not that their product are so fantastically good. if these people can interact within the company they are the ones who can interact with the clients. so they are more important than those who only do chore.

 

[Guest Hiao Chee Bing Bing]

3 hours ago, gucici said:

Seems like being smarter than boss, is not a good thing. Times has changed ya.. 

If boss ask you to stay back, or go to the storeroom with him, just do it.

 

"Bend over...." you just bend over and let him fuck......don't ask questions.  Be submissive and you will be rewarded one day.

 

Today I am the proud project leader for my company.  I was used by different bosses....suck cock, swallow sperm, fuck backside, let them empty sperm in my hole and face.....just do it and one day you can be like me.

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Hiao Chee Bing Bing said:

 

Today I am the proud project leader for my company.  I was used by different bosses....suck cock, swallow sperm, fuck backside, let them empty sperm in my hole and face.....just do it and one day you can be like me.

 

 

And what the hell are you?

[MasterFitMalaySG4U]

😂 if you extrovert n your boss see a value in u....no need to do anything behind closed doors. Good to ask questions that is engaging for him/her to answer. Proactive but smart. 😂

[Guest Guest]

10 hours ago, doncoin said:

If you look at the way people interact, you usually pay attention or talk to people you are more familiar with versus those you do not know so well. The same thing happens at work. If you want to advance in your career, make an effort to know and interact with your boss. It is not so much about licking boots, but using the times spent with him or her as opportunities where you can show your capabilities. Keeping your head down is not going to get you noticed. 

 

You can be the best at what you do at work, but if the boss does not know, how can he or she fully utilise your skill? The boss's job is to ensure that tasks are delivered. A good boss will recognize that someone is better or smarter than him/her at certain tasks and assign more of such tasks to that person. For example, I suck at accounting. While I can do financial statements, it will take me twice as long and I have other things that I much prefer to do, instead of torturing myself. So I assign the accounting to someone who is better and smarter than me at that task than doing it myself, and then we go through the numbers together so that I have an understanding of what was done. 

 

A bad boss who is insecure, would try to do the tasks himself or herself, or have someone else do it, and then be pissed at that someone who did it because that person was able to do it, while they cannot. The bad boss would internalize their own failures and project that insecurity towards his/her team. People need to recognize their own strengths and weaknesses, accept them, and choose what to focus on that will bring them satisfaction at work.  

 

If you want that promotion, go have lunch with your boss. Spend time to get feedback from him/her and just ask directly what are the areas you can improve to advance your career. Make a plan based on the feedback, and get regular feedback from the boss. It is not licking boots. If your colleagues start accusing you of licking boots, it is on them. You need to tune toxic people out. Your colleagues are not going to be the ones getting you promoted. You are going to get you promoted. Sitting by your desk and waiting for that promotion as an entitlement is not going to move you up the ladder. 

 

 

Totally agreed. Promotion is not an entilement.

[auscent]

10 hours ago, doncoin said:

If you look at the way people interact, you usually pay attention or talk to people you are more familiar with versus those you do not know so well. The same thing happens at work. If you want to advance in your career, make an effort to know and interact with your boss. It is not so much about licking boots, but using the times spent with him or her as opportunities where you can show your capabilities. Keeping your head down is not going to get you noticed. 

 

You can be the best at what you do at work, but if the boss does not know, how can he or she fully utilise your skill? The boss's job is to ensure that tasks are delivered. A good boss will recognize that someone is better or smarter than him/her at certain tasks and assign more of such tasks to that person. For example, I suck at accounting. While I can do financial statements, it will take me twice as long and I have other things that I much prefer to do, instead of torturing myself. So I assign the accounting to someone who is better and smarter than me at that task than doing it myself, and then we go through the numbers together so that I have an understanding of what was done. 

 

A bad boss who is insecure, would try to do the tasks himself or herself, or have someone else do it, and then be pissed at that someone who did it because that person was able to do it, while they cannot. The bad boss would internalize their own failures and project that insecurity towards his/her team. People need to recognize their own strengths and weaknesses, accept them, and choose what to focus on that will bring them satisfaction at work.  

 

If you want that promotion, go have lunch with your boss. Spend time to get feedback from him/her and just ask directly what are the areas you can improve to advance your career. Make a plan based on the feedback, and get regular feedback from the boss. It is not licking boots. If your colleagues start accusing you of licking boots, it is on them. You need to tune toxic people out. Your colleagues are not going to be the ones getting you promoted. You are going to get you promoted. Sitting by your desk and waiting for that promotion as an entitlement is not going to move you up the ladder. 

 

 

 

For promotion: how abt not asking what you should do, but proposing it instead?

Throughout the year's meetings  I get a sense of market-workplace changes. Each year, I propose to work on some of my ideas based on this. Some cascaded to department wide initiatives.

Lol, my primary motivation is I am often bored with people's new projects so I prefer to work on my ideas. Interestingly, I always get approval. In the last promotion exercise, surprisingly I got it.

 

 

[Guest guest]

19 minutes ago, auscent said:

 

For promotion: how abt not asking what you should do, but proposing it instead?

Throughout the year's meetings  I get a sense of market-workplace changes. Each year, I propose to work on some of my ideas based on this. Some cascaded to department wide initiatives.

Lol, my primary motivation is I am often bored with people's new projects so I prefer to work on my ideas. Interestingly, I always get approval. In the last promotion exercise, surprisingly I got it.

 

 

True, my boss always tells me i should think of solutions and suggestions on how to solve problem, instead of waiting for my boss to tell me what to do. Whether or not the solutions and suggestions accepted or not, but at least i have tried to think of something, rather than sitting there everytime waiting for solutions.

[gucici]

Yes. For genuine and hungry bosses, they want ideas from downline. For bosses who think they are always right, they r open to ideas but will not execute it or they think they are bad. 

[auscent]

1 minute ago, gucici said:

Yes. For genuine and hungry bosses, they want ideas from downline. For bosses who think they are always right, they r open to ideas but will not execute it or they think they are bad. 

Easy to handle boss: your project ideas should also be shaped a little by your bosses' personality-leadership style. Write your narrative (within reason) and office politics will stay away.

[gucici]

It really depends if they like you or not. 

 

Biasness is everywhere. 

[Guest guest]

40 minutes ago, gucici said:

Yes. For genuine and hungry bosses, they want ideas from downline. For bosses who think they are always right, they r open to ideas but will not execute it or they think they are bad. 

True, some bosses they act like they open to discussions, suggestions etc, but deep down inside them they only accept if they themselves like it, if not even the suggestion is good also no use.

[Guest guest]

29 minutes ago, gucici said:

It really depends if they like you or not. 

 

Biasness is everywhere. 

Biase and favouritism sure would have from those bosses. You can see some people gets promote faster due to his/her boss like him/her. Sometimes it is not totally all about work performance. Don't say bosses, even your own parents also would have favouritism among their childrens. This one cannot be avoided one, it happens everywhere.

[Guest guest]

38 minutes ago, auscent said:

Easy to handle boss: your project ideas should also be shaped a little by your bosses' personality-leadership style. Write your narrative (within reason) and office politics will stay away.

Office politics cannot stay away totally, still sure to have. When there are humans, they will have politics. Difficult to avoid totally. The only thing you can do is how you handle it and minimize the impact of the politics.

[Guest 69fun]

I once went for a meeting with my boss. There was only both of us while waiting for the client at their meeting room. Then my boss let out a large fart accidentally. It shocked him too as he didnt realise it would sound so loudly. I pretended that nothing happened and continue to prepare my laptop for the meeting, all the time breathing in the smelly fart.

 

This is how I got promoted to director.

[singalion]

14 hours ago, gucici said:

Seems like being smarter than boss, is not a good thing. Times has changed ya.. 

 

 if you are smarter than your boss, then maybe you are doing the wrong job or working in the wrong company.

 

But, there might be restraints from the boss, it can always be that the boss has certain knowledge that you are not privy of.

 

You might think the boss is doing something wrong, but probably the boss is just asking some internal review to have best knowledge to make a decision, yet you find he is less smart than you.

 

 

[singalion]

I assume working cultures are also different if you look at different groups in a company.

Age is also a factor for certain characteristics.

 

I assume that all will agree that some older staff are of the type who prefer to receive detailed instructions, work on the job and expect not to be disturbed (and best don't tell them ever that priorities or offers have changed, because next time they will do a bad job because they think their work will be wasted time anyway).

 

Then, you are confronted with very young employees, who - before you even touched the task - know already every solution, come up with something they think is great but in the end doesn't suit at all, either because they did more than was asked for (and so to speak jumped a step that was actually very important for the boss and his negotiations/assessment) or in the worst case didn't even read through the task they got.

I noted that plenty of younger employees have a huge difficulty in getting hold of the complete job.

They think they are smart but in the end they often waste the time of the boss because they missed the point.

 

If you have some administrative matters within the job, then often you are asked by certain staff "Why do I need to do this?". What these employees don't understand is that having the full picture and "assembled" the task on their own, is actually a faster way, instead of giving the job first another person and then to work on the job by the initial party.

 

With younger staff, bosses tend to always need to explain more and explain why they are doing this.

But sometimes it is very helpful for the boss, if the staff doesn't have the background knowledge...

 

There is simply no "one fits all rule" nowadays!

 

Last point : working with a foreign supervisor might be also a challenge, or let's say his tasks are more challenging.

That might be very difficult and turn out to be a nightmare, if the work environment is more of certain aged workers, who are not used to work very independent (or not micromanaged)... Not all are comfortable if they need to work very independent on their own...

 

 

[gucici]

34 minutes ago, singalion said:

I assume working cultures are also different if you look at different groups in a company.

Age is also a factor for certain characteristics.

 

I assume that all will agree that some older staff are of the type who prefer to receive detailed instructions, work on the job and expect not to be disturbed (and best don't tell them ever that priorities or offers have changed, because next time they will do a bad job because they think their work will be wasted time anyway).

 

Then, you are confronted with very young employees, who - before you even touched the task - know already every solution, come up with something they think is great but in the end doesn't suit at all, either because they did more than was asked for (and so to speak jumped a step that was actually very important for the boss and his negotiations/assessment) or in the worst case didn't even read through the task they got.

I noted that plenty of younger employees have a huge difficulty in getting hold of the complete job.

They think they are smart but in the end they often waste the time of the boss because they missed the point.

 

If you have some administrative matters within the job, then often you are asked by certain staff "Why do I need to do this?". What these employees don't understand is that having the full picture and "assembled" the task on their own, is actually a faster way, instead of giving the job first another person and then to work on the job by the initial party.

 

With younger staff, bosses tend to always need to explain more and explain why they are doing this.

But sometimes it is very helpful for the boss, if the staff doesn't have the background knowledge...

 

There is simply no "one fits all rule" nowadays!

 

Last point : working with a foreign supervisor might be also a challenge, or let's say his tasks are more challenging.

That might be very difficult and turn out to be a nightmare, if the work environment is more of certain aged workers, who are not used to work very independent (or not micromanaged)... Not all are comfortable if they need to work very independent on their own...

 

 

Believe or not. There are instances where bosses are hired with non relevant experiences. Even junior staffs know much more. Even big bosses regretted hiring these bosses. 

Some other boss think that they can bend MOM rules. 

Well well.. 

 

Just quoting these from friend. 

[radiusulnar]

my big boss hired 2 toy boys as eye candy. all of us in the admin dept have to pick up the slack.

[singalion]

21 hours ago, gucici said:

Believe or not. There are instances where bosses are hired with non relevant experiences. Even junior staffs know much more. Even big bosses regretted hiring these bosses. 

Some other boss think that they can bend MOM rules. 

Well well.. 

 

Just quoting these from friend. 

 

Sure cannot sweep every company with the same broom.

 

There are differences.

 

However, outsiders are often good for companies that have growth issues.

Big corporations would take in outsiders to source and point to difficulties.

It is a common strategy.

Other big corporations will hire outside consultants to do the same.

 

Whether the strategy works, that is another question.

 

Often big bosses are less inclined to change things are done... because they are too convinced about past success stories.

That is one major reason for companies failing.

 

I see that many local companies here are not expanding overseas to reduce cost and stick to outdated business models...

 

But that is my personal experience.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2023 by singalion

[Guest Shang]

Hi all,

Would like to hear any opinion on this
3yrs ago when I accepted this job, the job acceptance contract I signed say I need to serve 2mths notice when I resign, 
But recently they updated company handbook, rules for notice period changed to 1 month only (for my level/grade), while manager and above remains at 2months notice.

 

I am in the midst of looking for new job so I just state in my cv that my notice is 1 mth, coz its easier to find new job, but just wondering once I confirm new job and tender my resignation, would my HR try to force me to serve 2 mths notice as per what I have signed?

I will argue that I referring to employee handbook’s latest update, but come to the worst I might have to pay penalty of 1 mth of salary.

I don’t want to check this with HR or seek my colleagues opinion, coz gossip will spread v fast and ppl will start assuming I want to leave alrd 😛

[Balestier]

15 minutes ago, Guest Shang said:

Hi all,

Would like to hear any opinion on this
3yrs ago when I accepted this job, the job acceptance contract I signed say I need to serve 2mths notice when I resign, 
But recently they updated company handbook, rules for notice period changed to 1 month only (for my level/grade), while manager and above remains at 2months notice.

 

I am in the midst of looking for new job so I just state in my cv that my notice is 1 mth, coz its easier to find new job, but just wondering once I confirm new job and tender my resignation, would my HR try to force me to serve 2 mths notice as per what I have signed?

I will argue that I referring to employee handbook’s latest update, but come to the worst I might have to pay penalty of 1 mth of salary.

I don’t want to check this with HR or seek my colleagues opinion, coz gossip will spread v fast and ppl will start assuming I want to leave alrd 😛

Follow contract. Anything shorter is a bonus.

Or you can resign without a job, take a break. 

[Guest Notice]

Since there is ambiguity, you should have it clarified with HR, because normally the notice also applied if they decides to terminate your employment.

[Balestier]

3 minutes ago, Guest Notice said:

Since there is ambiguity, you should have it clarified with HR, because normally the notice also applied if they decides to terminate your employment.

There is no ambiguity. Follow the employment contract. Handbook is not binding

[Ignatius93]

In every where you go there be sure there be one flavourisim no doubt de la n it's normal.... Especially my previous company when I saw one of his guys got promoted is very obvious lmao 😴

[Guest Guest]

56 minutes ago, Guest Shang said:

Hi all,

Would like to hear any opinion on this
3yrs ago when I accepted this job, the job acceptance contract I signed say I need to serve 2mths notice when I resign, 
But recently they updated company handbook, rules for notice period changed to 1 month only (for my level/grade), while manager and above remains at 2months notice.

 

I am in the midst of looking for new job so I just state in my cv that my notice is 1 mth, coz its easier to find new job, but just wondering once I confirm new job and tender my resignation, would my HR try to force me to serve 2 mths notice as per what I have signed?

I will argue that I referring to employee handbook’s latest update, but come to the worst I might have to pay penalty of 1 mth of salary.

I don’t want to check this with HR or seek my colleagues opinion, coz gossip will spread v fast and ppl will start assuming I want to leave alrd 😛

Can your company allow to use balance annual leave to offset notice period? If yes, even it is a 2 months notice, it will shorten to around 1 month or so.