yhtang Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 14 hours ago, singalion said: I know. Everyone as he prefers. But must understand not everyone into such fetish display. I accept and agree that a caged cock may not be a common fetish. It is the same as bondage, flagellation, water sports etc. You are absolutely correct that this particular fetish is the displaying of a caged cock. As some people have a fetish for exhibitionism in a gay sauna - specifically, having sex with open doors or just making out in the open, the displaying of caged cocks is in the minority and more importantly, it is non intrusive. Those who are in awe of the sight of the caged cock can admire to their hearts' content, and those who are curious can ask questions and play with it. Those who are not interested can just ignore the person and the caged cock. And @bubu zai had indicated he is aware of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 7 hours ago, fresh7up said: If we were to view the chastity cage as a BDSM toy, we can take it as the cage is being placed by the dom top on the sub btm. The dom top holds the key and in rebel the sub btm go and visit the sauna to get fuck behind his dom top's back without him knowing. I subscribe to this view. That chastity cage is between the dom and the sub. What they do, or not do, is a matter to be decided between themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 7 minutes ago, yhtang said: I accept and agree that a caged cock may not be a common fetish. It is the same as bondage, flagellation, water sports etc. You are absolutely correct that this particular fetish is the displaying of a caged cock. As some people have a fetish for exhibitionism in a gay sauna - specifically, having sex with open doors or just making out in the open, the displaying of caged cocks is in the minority and more importantly, it is non intrusive. Those who are in awe of the sight of the caged cock can admire to their hearts' content, and those who are curious can ask questions and play with it. Those who are not interested can just ignore the person and the caged cock. And @bubu zai had indicated he is aware of this. To make it more obvious the master and his caged btm should come to the sauna with a leash... and the caged bottom to walk on all fours... And to add on, the caged boy should also wear a dog puppy mask Nobody to understand me wrong: Anyone can go to the gay sauna the way he likes and to wear what he wants. I m cool on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balestier Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 (edited) 5 minutes ago, singalion said: To make it more obvious the master and his caged btm should come to the sauna with a leash... and the caged bottom to walk on all fours... And to add on, the caged boy should also wear a dog puppy mask Nobody to understand me wrong: Anyone can go to the gay sauna the way he likes and to wear what he wants. I m cool on that. Ya maybe setup a bdsm section in sauna and they can stay there. Then no more complaints of no market of chastity cage Edited February 5, 2024 by Balestier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Balestier said: Ya maybe setup a bdsm section in sauna and they can stay there. Then no more complaints of no market of chastity cage Would be more for the sauna to reserve one day for such fetish lovers... If you have this fetish preference you can meet others and enjoy... In Europe and US there are certain gay sex establishments that cater exactly to such fetishes... Edited February 5, 2024 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 10 hours ago, doncoin said: The whole concept of being chaste is to remain untouched and pure. As such, if you are wearing a chastity cage, you shouldn't be in a sauna, but at home, or preferably, locked up in a tower somewhere, alone. If there is no one to touch you inappropriately, you wouldn't have to deal with any sexual desires and hence remain chaste and pure as intended. Isn't that the whole point of being caged? If "being chaste is to remain untouched and pure" and this is the sole purpose of a cock cage, then I would agree with you. However, the cock cage these days is not solely used as a chastity device, its use had grown and evolved to a fetish tool. @bubu zai has said as much as evidenced by the quote below. On 2/4/2024 at 12:01 PM, bubu zai said: Yup I aware that when you cage & nude inside will let people staring on you. My Dom also prefer me cage and nude inside to show I am owned and sometime no just wear cage he also request me wear tail plug For those who use the cock cage purely as a chastity device, I would encourage them to take to hear the words of @doncoin . doncoin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balestier Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 1 minute ago, singalion said: Would be more for the sauna to reserve one day for such fetish lovers... If you have this fetish preference you can meet others and enjoy... In Europe and US there are certain gay sex establishments that cater exactly to such fetishes... Bo seng li. Cannot cover cost. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 9 minutes ago, singalion said: To make it more obvious the master and his caged btm should come to the sauna with a leash... and the caged bottom to walk on all fours... And to add on, the caged boy should also wear a dog puppy mask And don't forget the tail plug! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balestier Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, yhtang said: If "being chaste is to remain untouched and pure" and this is the sole purpose of a cock cage, then I would agree with you. However, the cock cage these days is not solely used as a chastity device, its use had grown and evolved to a fetish tool. @bubu zai has said as much as evidenced by the quote below. For those who use the cock cage purely as a chastity device, I would encourage them to take to hear the words of @doncoin . U forgot that the virginity can still be lost at the ass instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 5 minutes ago, Balestier said: U forgot that the virginity can still be lost at the ass instead. I agree, a person who is in a cock cage can still lose his ass virginity. In addition, the cock cage "virginity" concept" also omitted oral sex. The certainty of a cock cage/chastity cage is to ensure the wearer does not enjoy penile orgasm. fresh7up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 @SubbieCuckie are you taking notes of the discussions here? I hope this thread had been helpful in answering your original question. Balestier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 11 minutes ago, yhtang said: And don't forget the tail plug! 😁 Can that be locked too please? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubbieCuckie Posted February 5, 2024 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 3 hours ago, yhtang said: @SubbieCuckie are you taking notes of the discussions here? I hope this thread had been helpful in answering your original question. Haha a lot of tangents but I guess long story short, must try myself and decide hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 3 minutes ago, SubbieCuckie said: Haha a lot of tangents but I guess long story short, must try myself and decide hehe. Yes, it is best to experience it yourself. I wish you good luck, and may you have lots of fun there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 15 hours ago, doncoin said: I think the etiquette should be don't flaunt your chastity cage in a sauna. The whole concept of being chaste is to remain untouched and pure. As such, if you are wearing a chastity cage, you shouldn't be in a sauna, but at home, or preferably, locked up in a tower somewhere, alone. If there is no one to touch you inappropriately, you wouldn't have to deal with any sexual desires and hence remain chaste and pure as intended. Isn't that the whole point of being caged? Seriously think about that. A caged cock is like a caged animal in a zoo. You don't go too close to it. You observe it, and leave it alone. Eh why can’t go sauna ? If cock ring can? yhtang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 4 hours ago, yhtang said: I accept and agree that a caged cock may not be a common fetish. It is the same as bondage, flagellation, water sports etc. You are absolutely correct that this particular fetish is the displaying of a caged cock. As some people have a fetish for exhibitionism in a gay sauna - specifically, having sex with open doors or just making out in the open, the displaying of caged cocks is in the minority and more importantly, it is non intrusive. Those who are in awe of the sight of the caged cock can admire to their hearts' content, and those who are curious can ask questions and play with it. Those who are not interested can just ignore the person and the caged cock. And @bubu zai had indicated he is aware of this. Cage is same like wearing thong or g strings not common but is normal. you maybe ignore me but I don reli care la You continue enjoy your hunt & I continue relax and nude that all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balestier Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, bubu zai said: Eh why can’t go sauna ? If cock ring can? Just keep yr chastity for your Dom. U will enjoy more and maybe save on entrance fees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balestier Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 1 minute ago, bubu zai said: Cage is same like wearing thong or g strings not common but is normal. you maybe ignore me but I don reli care la You continue enjoy your hunt & I continue relax and nude that all Just pay to go in lar. If U enjoy and u get what u want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 11 hours ago, fresh7up said: If we were to view the chastity cage as a BDSM toy, we can take it as the cage is being placed by the dom top on the sub btm. The dom top holds the key and in rebel the sub btm go and visit the sauna to get fuck behind his dom top's back without him knowing. Master know I go sauna and he also prefer me go gay sauna coz more easy get full nude and relax also is more safer than go common straight family sauna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 4 hours ago, singalion said: To make it more obvious the master and his caged btm should come to the sauna with a leash... and the caged bottom to walk on all fours... And to add on, the caged boy should also wear a dog puppy mask Nobody to understand me wrong: Anyone can go to the gay sauna the way he likes and to wear what he wants. I m cool on that. If you go Taipei commander bar yes there will ask the sub full nude and leash inside the bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiDing Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 Haha I think it’s not really much about “etiquette” here I guess, just what you have to prepare for if you wanna go to sauna in a cage. Subjected to judgement or curiosity of others but then again if you are gonna go there in a cage despite being unsure, I’m sure that was part of your considerations who knows maybe to you the whole point is to put yourself out there to the judgement of others somewhat like “humiliation” if you into that. Eitherway I believe a sauna should have more than enough dicks for those looking for dicks to go around for to find one suitable one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 4 hours ago, yhtang said: If "being chaste is to remain untouched and pure" and this is the sole purpose of a cock cage, then I would agree with you. However, the cock cage these days is not solely used as a chastity device, its use had grown and evolved to a fetish tool. @bubu zai has said as much as evidenced by the quote below. For those who use the cock cage purely as a chastity device, I would encourage them to take to hear the words of @doncoin . Perhaps every one have their own fetish like BDSM / underwear just be yourself will do. And I now enjoying being cage that all yhtang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 4 hours ago, yhtang said: And don't forget the tail plug! 😁 I have dog tail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 8 minutes ago, Balestier said: Just keep yr chastity for your Dom. U will enjoy more and maybe save on entrance fees We went together sia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fresh7up Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 Anyway whats the point of the sub btm wearing a chastity cage. His ass can still be fuck by any top and if the btm is lucky can get auto cum from it. Chastity cage is better for sub top who's control by dom btm. Better that way. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horhorfun Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 Even the btm wear cage on his cock,eventually his ass will be the one getting fucked fresh7up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 1 hour ago, fresh7up said: Anyway whats the point of the sub btm wearing a chastity cage. His ass can still be fuck by any top and if the btm is lucky can get auto cum from it. Chastity cage is better for sub top who's control by dom btm. Better that way. Lol I think the discussion, or controversy if you wish, on this topic is the cock cage being viewed solely as a chastity cage. The cock cage, when used on a straight man, is a chastity cage on the assumption that the caged man will absolutely not allow a penis to penetrate his anus, and he will absolutely not perform fellatio. The same item, when used on a gay bottom man, does not have to same "chastity" effect because of the possibility and acceptance of anal penetration and fellatio. As I always say, as long as all the players are willing parties and no one is hurt, there is no reason why anyone should not go to a gay sauna wearing a cock cage. As @bubu zai pointed out, if someone can wear a cock ring into a sauna, why not a cock cage? If anyone is thinking of where the line should be drawn, for me, it would be cross-dressing, transvestites and incomplete transgenders. I go to a gay sauna to play with men and cocks, not play with men pretending to be women, or women aspiring to be men. My preference is hard, throbbing, cum-spewing cocks - though certain accommodations can be made because not all men can be hard and throbbing all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 (edited) 58 minutes ago, yhtang said: If anyone is thinking of where the line should be drawn, for me, it would be cross-dressing, transvestites and incomplete transgenders. I go to a gay sauna to play with men and cocks, not play with men pretending to be women, or women aspiring to be men. My preference is hard, throbbing, cum-spewing cocks - though certain accommodations can be made because not all men can be hard and throbbing all the time. I would be more open minded here. The people can go as they want. However, it is at their own risk. Don't complain later, when other sauna visitors felt offended or they will get simply rejected... There wouldn't be ladyboys if there isn't a market for them. While I agree with your view, the saunas in Singapore surely do not cater for ladyboys etc. or there might not be the market audience. Edited February 5, 2024 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 3 hours ago, fresh7up said: Anyway whats the point of the sub btm wearing a chastity cage. His ass can still be fuck by any top and if the btm is lucky can get auto cum from it. Chastity cage is better for sub top who's control by dom btm. Better that way. Lol Actually there got lot version chastity cage or belt some even can lock 🔐 all fresh7up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 1 hour ago, yhtang said: I think the discussion, or controversy if you wish, on this topic is the cock cage being viewed solely as a chastity cage. The cock cage, when used on a straight man, is a chastity cage on the assumption that the caged man will absolutely not allow a penis to penetrate his anus, and he will absolutely not perform fellatio. The same item, when used on a gay bottom man, does not have to same "chastity" effect because of the possibility and acceptance of anal penetration and fellatio. As I always say, as long as all the players are willing parties and no one is hurt, there is no reason why anyone should not go to a gay sauna wearing a cock cage. As @bubu zai pointed out, if someone can wear a cock ring into a sauna, why not a cock cage? If anyone is thinking of where the line should be drawn, for me, it would be cross-dressing, transvestites and incomplete transgenders. I go to a gay sauna to play with men and cocks, not play with men pretending to be women, or women aspiring to be men. My preference is hard, throbbing, cum-spewing cocks - though certain accommodations can be made because not all men can be hard and throbbing all the time. Hmm all so concerned about btm wear Chasity cage and ass get fuk. Maybe btm should wear butt plug go haha. every one got they own preference even I din caged at sauna you maybe having many reason get ignoring me. Therefore no expect no sadness. But if sauna status no sex toy or Chasity cage if not I still going and enjoy the environment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fresh7up Posted February 5, 2024 Report Share Posted February 5, 2024 49 minutes ago, bubu zai said: Actually there got lot version chastity cage or belt some even can lock 🔐 all Ok let's say the btm wears this and the top holds the key. How's the btm ever going to shit if the top is not around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 On 2/5/2024 at 9:16 PM, yhtang said: I think the discussion, or controversy if you wish, on this topic is the cock cage being viewed solely as a chastity cage. The cock cage, when used on a straight man, is a chastity cage on the assumption that the caged man will absolutely not allow a penis to penetrate his anus, and he will absolutely not perform fellatio. The same item, when used on a gay bottom man, does not have to same "chastity" effect because of the possibility and acceptance of anal penetration and fellatio. Exactly. Wearing cock cage doesn't necessarily mean the bottom is to remain "untouched and pure". It is just to limit it such that the bottom doesn't derive the pleasure from his cock, and this is something that pure top guys may not be able to understand 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k13v Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 On 2/5/2024 at 12:53 PM, singalion said: To make it more obvious the master and his caged btm should come to the sauna with a leash... and the caged bottom to walk on all fours... And to add on, the caged boy should also wear a dog puppy mask Nobody to understand me wrong: Anyone can go to the gay sauna the way he likes and to wear what he wants. I m cool on that. No dog mask more exciting... Just collar and leash.... Let the top bring him doggy crawl for all to see. Quote Thanks... 167 69 chn 51 LINE: songatsg0 Telegram: songatsg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guess Guest Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 Hot item that makes it impossible to erect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 2 hours ago, k13v said: No dog mask more exciting... Just collar and leash.... Let the top bring him doggy crawl for all to see. Only collar and leash? No cock cage? No tail plug? 🤣🤣 k13v 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 2 hours ago, Guest Guess Guest said: Hot item that makes it impossible to erect. Yes, that is the objective of a cock cage, especially if it is the chastity cage version. I have heard that, in certain chastity cage designs, there are studs or similar items on the inside of the device so that it becomes painful should the wearer experience penile turgidity. In the case of a cock cage, it is used to inhibit an erection or to reduce the possibility of penile stimulation, which in turn, is a strong symbolism that the wearer is being controlled. If the wearer is being controlled, it stands to reason someone is dominating the wearer, which makes the wearer a sub. Some subs delight in being dominated, some like to be seen by others that they have been subjugated, and some like both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 On 2/6/2024 at 12:02 AM, fresh7up said: Ok let's say the btm wears this and the top holds the key. How's the btm ever going to shit if the top is not around? How long you stay inside sauna Normal clean ur ass before wear la. if not the keyholder sure around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 5 hours ago, lx said: Exactly. Wearing cock cage doesn't necessarily mean the bottom is to remain "untouched and pure". It is just to limit it such that the bottom doesn't derive the pleasure from his cock, and this is something that pure top guys may not be able to understand 😅 Is more get more enjoyment for ass yhtang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k13v Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 17 minutes ago, yhtang said: Only collar and leash? No cock cage? No tail plug? 🤣🤣 Cage ok. Tail plug no need. Quote Thanks... 167 69 chn 51 LINE: songatsg0 Telegram: songatsg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 5 minutes ago, yhtang said: Yes, that is the objective of a cock cage, especially if it is the chastity cage version. I have heard that, in certain chastity cage designs, there are studs or similar items on the inside of the device so that it becomes painful should the wearer experience penile turgidity. In the case of a cock cage, it is used to inhibit an erection or to reduce the possibility of penile stimulation, which in turn, is a strong symbolism that the wearer is being controlled. If the wearer is being controlled, it stands to reason someone is dominating the wearer, which makes the wearer a sub. Some subs delight in being dominated, some like to be seen by others that they have been subjugated, and some like both. When I caged mean I always get ready to be used. If not imagine when someone want fuk you and you reply sorry I just jerk come. Other than that also symbolic of getting owned or control or like being as at slave / Sub. Mean you can’t simply touch or jerk need ask for keyhole permission. while wearing at public sauna more like exhibition or dom request he got the power to control. yhtang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 3 hours ago, k13v said: No dog mask more exciting... Just collar and leash.... Let the top bring him doggy crawl for all to see. No dog mask can pee mask 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guess Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 22 minutes ago, yhtang said: Yes, that is the objective of a cock cage, especially if it is the chastity cage version. I have heard that, in certain chastity cage designs, there are studs or similar items on the inside of the device so that it becomes painful should the wearer experience penile turgidity. In the case of a cock cage, it is used to inhibit an erection or to reduce the possibility of penile stimulation, which in turn, is a strong symbolism that the wearer is being controlled. If the wearer is being controlled, it stands to reason someone is dominating the wearer, which makes the wearer a sub. Some subs delight in being dominated, some like to be seen by others that they have been subjugated, and some like both. Oh my! 🤭🤭 Read somewhere people in positions of dominance likes to be subjugated in sex games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 11 minutes ago, k13v said: Cage ok. Tail plug no need. Come leash at entrance of TMC to welcome guest come in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 7, 2024 Report Share Posted February 7, 2024 2 minutes ago, Guest Guess said: Oh my! 🤭🤭 Read somewhere people in positions of dominance likes to be subjugated in sex games. Is also part of the sex game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guess Guest Posted February 8, 2024 Report Share Posted February 8, 2024 11 hours ago, bubu zai said: Is also part of the sex game I suppose some are turned on by helplessness and being humiliated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 8, 2024 Report Share Posted February 8, 2024 51 minutes ago, Guest Guess Guest said: I suppose some are turned on by helplessness and being humiliated. Yes, different folks, different strokes. Also, the concept of hopelessness and being humiliated or being subjugated is part and parcel of the sub-dom culture. This is similar to sado-masochism culture, where pain is an additional dimension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guess Posted February 8, 2024 Report Share Posted February 8, 2024 2 hours ago, yhtang said: Yes, different folks, different strokes. Also, the concept of hopelessness and being humiliated or being subjugated is part and parcel of the sub-dom culture. This is similar to sado-masochism culture, where pain is an additional dimension. And being verbally abused...😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daddy and son Posted February 8, 2024 Report Share Posted February 8, 2024 How about father and son relationship? I’d been to shogun during the day during weekdays and always saw an elderly man with his sugar son who’s always in the nude? What kind of relationship is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhtang Posted February 8, 2024 Report Share Posted February 8, 2024 4 hours ago, Guest Daddy and son said: How about father and son relationship? I’d been to shogun during the day during weekdays and always saw an elderly man with his sugar son who’s always in the nude? What kind of relationship is this? Was the toy-son wearing a cock cage? What about the sugar daddy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubu zai Posted February 8, 2024 Report Share Posted February 8, 2024 15 hours ago, Guest Guess Guest said: I suppose some are turned on by helplessness and being humiliated. Mostly like exhibition and humiliation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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