Singapore is a prawn nation?

[lohwpr]

Singapore is a prawn nation?

 

I heard this comment many times. I don't care for prawn as I like meaty muscled bear looking man. I think finding a good-looking bear in Singapore is more difficult. Generally, "bearism" is not in our DNA. 

 

Edited August 9 by lohwpr

[bigboyclubsg]

i feel most sgeans in the community chase after body and status cos there are some very questionable people who are worshipped with questionable looks and values.

 

The video itself has a major prawn (lol) but i've seen so many people on X thirsting over him cos of his bod and general status/links to others...

Edited August 9 by bigboyclubsg

[Guest My opinion]

Actually, I find more straight prawn in Singapore than gay prawn.  Their gals still like them nonetheless. 

 

I certainly concur that Korea is a prawn land, the complete opposite of Japan.  Japanese lifestyle and their frequent use of saunas and because they consume a lot of omega-3 and vitamin K, which helps to encourage the best genes in them to make them naturally attractive.   While 8 out of 10 Koreans are prawn, Japanese people are so cute like Meow Meow.

 

Taiwanese are comparable to Singapore but the former has a notch above us because they have suburb regions with good air and surrounded by oceans. 

 

Village people are usually more endearing than city people. As a result, individuals in Thailand, the Philippines, China, Nepal, and Indonesia tend to look more "natural" than our tense, gloomy little island residents and crammed city dwellers.   Stressed living produce offspring that are not so attractive.  If you want your offsprings to look "Yan Dao",  you need to live in sparsely populated mountainous region or spring valleys area and soak in all the natural elements.   

[Guest Short circuit]

A couple of loud circuit queens don't represent the whole nation.

 

It's the Miss Singapore syndrome again. The BHB-ness.

[radiusulnar]

Handsome and hot bod. Don't we all wish we have both?

At least prawns have one component.

Majority have to get by with neither.

[Guest Bitch]

38 minutes ago, radiusulnar said:

Handsome and hot bod. Don't we all wish we have both?

At least prawns have one component.

Majority have to get by with neither.

Actually it's 6 components:

Face 

Body (including legs)

Height

Complexion

Wealth

Mannerism

 

Most clearly lack the manly mannerisn (natural not faked), height and stature, even when they might have the rest.

 

Even when they have the rest, the attitude too princessy and fingernails, fingers and legs looking too slender and feminine also cannot make it.... lol.

[egal]

lol, agree with the post above, one of the hosts is a prawn himself

[Guest prawn]

https://theindependent.sg/ayden-sng-shares-why-singapore-men-are-dubbed-as-prawns-by-foreigners/

[bigboyclubsg]

2 hours ago, Guest Bitch said:

Actually it's 6 components:

Face 

Body (including legs)

Height

Complexion

Wealth

Mannerism

 

Most clearly lack the manly mannerisn (natural not faked), height and stature, even when they might have the rest.

 

Even when they have the rest, the attitude too princessy and fingernails, fingers and legs looking too slender and feminine also cannot make it.... lol.

wah die liao criteria so intense

[Guest Bitch]

The host might be reading this forum lol.

 

They made that podcast after reading the prawn discussion here earlier.

 

Honestly watching the ndp parade, I really give up on defending local guys.

 

99.99% of the marchers are really no looks no body - getting worse from generation to generation.

 

Good looking guys here are really outliers and rare hidden gems.

 

Have to dig really hard to find them.

 

Time to consider migrating. Lol

[egal]

is it not like tht everywhere, lol

[Steve5380]

12 hours ago, lohwpr said:

Singapore is a prawn nation?

 

I heard this comment many times. I don't care for prawn as I like meaty muscled bear looking man. I think finding a good-looking bear in Singapore is more difficult. Generally, "bearism" is not in our DNA. 

 

 

In all these years I have never heard this comment before.  "Prawns" exist everywhere, and the topic can unleash some dumb nonsensical conversation.   Yes, faces can be beautiful and ugly.  But of the whole body, it is the face that mostly reflects the SOUL of the person. So if a cold picture of a face could look ugly,  when it is live with shiny eyes and expression reflecting the inside,  it can be very attractive and valuable. 

 

In all S. E. Asia I have rarely found that an "ugly" face ruins an otherwise beautiful body.  And in few cases this makes the person unattractive to a sex-deprived visitor, ha ha.

[Guest guest]

4 hours ago, Guest Bitch said:

The host might be reading this forum lol.

 

They made that podcast after reading the prawn discussion here earlier.

 

Honestly watching the ndp parade, I really give up on defending local guys.

 

99.99% of the marchers are really no looks no body - getting worse from generation to generation.

 

Good looking guys here are really outliers and rare hidden gems.

 

Have to dig really hard to find them.

 

Time to consider migrating. Lol

 

Singaporean guys are disadvantaged by their genes (especially if pure Singapore breed with no mix of the gene pool outside small Singapore).

 

But the fatal hit is the environment which Singaporeans are brought up in - all these focus onto themselves and hence, when one (from outside the Singapore system) speaks and mingle with a Singaporean, chance is he will feel that the Singaporean is dull and very limited; lacking in personality and cannot sustain conversations.  

[Guest Lol]

9 hours ago, egal said:

lol, agree with the post above, one of the hosts is a prawn himself

 

one of the hosts or the host?

[Strange Fruit]

I have a friend whom many people will not find immediately sexually attractive: he is paunchy, has dark circles and uneven teeth and a generally tired and harassed mien that comes from being overworked. And yet, as a person who does portraiture, I was analysing just the planes of his face as we were talking, I noted good bone structure and facial proportions underlying the surface of his face that has unfortunately been subjected to the ravages of time and poor self-care. In terms of facial proportions, he has a surprising commonality with - I kid you not - Henry Cavill - a squared jawline, deep-set eyes for a chinese guy, good brow line, prominent nose and cheekbones with dimples. Years ago he posted a photo of himself when he was a teenager in secondary school and we all oohed and ahhed over his looks. To think how spectacularly he could have turned out in a different life, all genetic factors remaining the same. It‘a akin to those AI apps that so many gay guys have been using for Facebook profile pics where they are clearly recognisable as themselves, except also infinitely handsomer. 
 

It made me realise how one’s life really can affect one’s appearance - from environmental factors like temperature and humidity (have you ever tried running or hiking on holiday in temperature countries? You just breathe easier and don’t mouth breathe as much, not to mention the beautiful scenery and cool climate make such outdoor activities so much more enjoyable; conversely even dedicated runners when they move to Singapore for work, often remark how their stamina takes a beating and their breathing and running patterns change drastically to suit the climate) to individual factors like diet which cause changes in skin tone and dental heath and occlusion. On the other end of the spectrum you have attractive guys who look like they obsess way too much over their ten-step skincare routines and brow hairs - you know that over-plucked, shiny look that detracts from some of that rugged masculine appeal. The prawn, needing a disparity between the perfection of his body and the slight incongruence in aesthetic appeal of his face to be deemed as such (as opposed to being pretty average overall) tends to fall into the latter category of over maintenance. 
 

I agree with some of the above posts about small gene pools being a huge factor at play. Also I would like to add that for Taiwanese and Japanese guys a good balance of Jomon and Yayoi lineages tend to contribute to the most aesthetic faces both male and female, On a less east-asian-centric note, many Indian and Malay guys here have very good masculine facial features and ability to augment it with facial hair. In a way the male face demands so much more innate care than the female one because it cannot rely on embellishment to become attractive. All the expensive beauty regimens and plastic surgery in the world cannot counter poor sleep, diet and lack of exercise and poor genetics. Or constantly scowling at people or at one’s  phone for that matter. 
 

If I wanted to effect change on a national level, I would say start by teaching kids proper tongue posture in school and a national health plan of Orthotropics alongside dental hygiene and stop giving them soft foods so they actually have to chew (yes I do think Dr. Mike Mew has a point especially with regards to the early years of development) and secondly teach proper running gait and posture as part of PE. Most people think running is just something to push through and suffer because exercise is good for you without understanding the mechanics of one’s body. It’s like teaching people that language is about acquiring a wide vocabulary without understanding basic grammar and syntax. All this will require the cooperation of overworked and increasingly apathetic parents though, which I do not see happening, but baby steps yeah...

[Guest Actually]

4 hours ago, Guest guest said:

 

Singaporean guys are disadvantaged by their genes (especially if pure Singapore breed with no mix of the gene pool outside small Singapore).

 

But the fatal hit is the environment which Singaporeans are brought up in - all these focus onto themselves and hence, when one (from outside the Singapore system) speaks and mingle with a Singaporean, chance is he will feel that the Singaporean is dull and very limited; lacking in personality and cannot sustain conversations.  

Sounds more like the result of socio-cultural environment and upbringing curated and developed by the regime's media and education system rather than genes. 

 

Each of us is slowly and painstakingly being chiseled into souless and inauthentic actors, copycats and followers of inane, insipid and banal local cultural mindsets and modes

of behaviour as we grow up.

 

Should send everyone to study overseas from as young as possible rather than to stay here and inevitably and eventually get beaten down and molded into robotic clones of the system that perpetuates this silly and compulsive mindset and pattern of behavior.

 

 

 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Actually said:

 

Each of us is slowly and painstakingly being chiseled into souless and inauthentic actors, copycats and followers of inane, insipid and banal local cultural mindsets and modes of behaviour as we grow up.

 

 

If what you write is the result of deep introspection,  is there something you can do to avoid becoming soul-less and inauthentic actor, copycat and follower of inane, insipid and banal local cultural mindsets and modes of behavior?   If so, you have a good course of action to liberate yourself from all that.

[Guest Actually]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

If what you write is the result of deep introspection,  is there something you can do to avoid becoming soul-less and inauthentic actor, copycat and follower of inane, insipid and banal local cultural mindsets and modes of behavior?   If so, you have a good course of action to liberate yourself from all that.

I observed from my nephew and other gen z and a kids. They seemed happy and authentic for a while before entering the local education system and after a few years of immersion they became regimental and depressed due to stress and competitive school environments.

 

It's going to get worse as they get older and get enlisted into national service which is just another fucking dumb, useless and stupid exercise that all boys here will have to go through. Some people may enjoy it or even live for the experience. I call that abuse of young people. Lol

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Actually said:

I observed from my nephew and other gen z and a kids. They seemed happy and authentic for a while before entering the local education system and after a few years of immersion they became regimental and depressed due to stress and competitive school environments.

 

It's going to get worse as they get older and get enlisted into national service which is just another fucking dumb, useless and stupid exercise that all boys here will have to go through. Some people may enjoy it or even live for the experience. I call that abuse of young people. Lol

 

Here is where parents can help their children face the educational system. Teaching them (by example) to develop discipline and persistence, showing understanding and being on their side. Teaching them to put up with school, fake if necessary the "right attitude",  while preserving a good spirit, not feeling pushed to be "the best" but do what it takes to pass the grades.  Not pushing them to be accepted into ivy league schools,  but discovering their talents and giving them a colleague education in a field they have some interest.

 

The national service is the way the country can count of enough bodies to be defended if attacked.  Yes, it is a universal abuse of young people, but a much larger abuse would be to get involved in a war and send them to die protecting the country.  This is the system everywhere.

 

 

[Guest What????????????]

2 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Here is where parents can help their children face the educational system. Teaching them (by example) to develop discipline and persistence, showing understanding and being on their side. Teaching them to put up with school, fake if necessary the "right attitude",  while preserving a good spirit, not feeling pushed to be "the best" but do what it takes to pass the grades.  Not pushing them to be accepted into ivy league schools,  but discovering their talents and giving them a colleague education in a field they have some interest.

 

If you understand Singapore parents, you won't make such nightmarish suggestions.  Most parents are horrid examples I would rather their children stay away from them for good.

[mate69]

15 minutes ago, Guest What???????????? said:

If you understand Singapore parents, you won't make such nightmarish suggestions.  Most parents are horrid examples I would rather their children stay away from them for good.

 

LOL but ya i totally understand why you said what u said ^

[Jellapho]

I personally feel there is nothing wrong with being a prawn. Actually, it is quite reflective in our Singaporean ethos, and that is to work hard and be the best we can be, since we do not have the natural attributes that other nations have (i.e. limited land, natural resources, size, talents). So, if average looking individuals are willing to put in the diligence and discipline to build up their bodies, I think it is commendable and admirable. At least they put in the effort to groom their bodies whether it is for vanity, or to stay healthy, they are all legitly positive motivations. The important thing is not about being a prawn, but not to have a "prawn attitude", which is to have a nice exterior (body) but an ugly heart on the inside (e.g. being arrogant, snobish, and no regards for others, just because they think they look good)  

[Tightpants]

^ditto it’s always about the attitude. Some think they are at the apex and can be choosy. I mean we acknowledge all that hard work you put into sculpting your image. But if your attitude and ego is trash. Face it, it’s worse than being a prawn.

Edited August 10 by Tightpants

[Guest Curious]

4 hours ago, Jellapho said:

I personally feel there is nothing wrong with being a prawn. Actually, it is quite reflective in our Singaporean ethos, and that is to work hard and be the best we can be, since we do not have the natural attributes that other nations have (i.e. limited land, natural resources, size, talents). So, if average looking individuals are willing to put in the diligence and discipline to build up their bodies, I think it is commendable and admirable. At least they put in the effort to groom their bodies whether it is for vanity, or to stay healthy, they are all legitly positive motivations. The important thing is not about being a prawn, but not to have a "prawn attitude", which is to have a nice exterior (body) but an ugly heart on the inside (e.g. being arrogant, snobish, and no regards for others, just because they think they look good)  

You fail to understand the meaning of a prawn: the nice exterior and looking good is only from the neck down, and not the whole body. 

 

Another example of Singaporean ignorance spawned by arrogance in trying to expostulate and educate... even after 59 years...

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

You fail to understand the meaning of a prawn: the nice exterior and looking good is only from the neck down, and not the whole body. 

 

Another example of Singaporean ignorance spawned by arrogance in trying to expostulate and educate... even after 59 years...

Huh i think you dun get it, but he totally got it

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

 

Another example of Singaporean ignorance spawned by arrogance in trying to expostulate and educate... even after 59 years...

 

 

Bah.... some rare specimens try to expostulate and educate even after... 81 years!   But they don't do it out of ignorance or arrogance, but empathy.   

[Steve5380]

9 hours ago, Guest What???????????? said:

If you understand Singapore parents, you won't make such nightmarish suggestions.  Most parents are horrid examples I would rather their children stay away from them for good.

 

I did not have the pleasure to socialize with many Singapore parents,  in my visits I concentrated on ( gay ) men.  But from what I hear and see from the distance gives me the feeling that the Singapore "weak gender" often lacks the strength to cultivate motherly love and feminine graciousness.  This is why I also think that among Singapore men, the gays have it better than the straights.  😄

 

[Guest Game started]

The worse is prawn with sotong behaviour and crab attitude.  

[bigboyclubsg]

28 minutes ago, Guest Game started said:

The worse is prawn with sotong behaviour and crab attitude.  

wait what is sotong behaviour and crab attitude? enlighten!!

[Guest guest]

17 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I did not have the pleasure to socialize with many Singapore parents,  in my visits I concentrated on ( gay ) men.  But from what I hear and see from the distance gives me the feeling that the Singapore "weak gender" often lacks the strength to cultivate motherly love and feminine graciousness.  This is why I also think that among Singapore men, the gays have it better than the straights.  😄

 

 

Profound!

[Guest Curious]

17 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

But from what I hear and see from the distance gives me the feeling that the Singapore "weak gender" often lacks the strength to cultivate motherly love and feminine graciousness. 

 

What makes you think that mothers here are too weak to love their children and also behave hateful and bitchy towards them?

 

Are you talking about mothers of LGBT people or mothers in general?

[Guest Curious]

18 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Bah.... some rare specimens try to expostulate and educate even after... 81 years!   But they don't do it out of ignorance or arrogance, but empathy.   

You are too sympathetic. A Thai and Japanese both separately told me how they could spot a Singaporean a mile away: generally good build, but above the neck, hardly pleasing to the eye. In truth, Singaporean men are the sort where they'd cover the face and bang the base...

[Steve5380]

5 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

What makes you think that mothers here are too weak to love their children and also behave hateful and bitchy towards them?

 

Are you talking about mothers of LGBT people or mothers in general?

 

I was writing about mothers in general.  Out of weakness, they suppress their natural feelings of love to follow the culture from their own mothers and other women to be bitchy and behave hateful as a way to enhance their importance.  But I am writing without personal experience...

[Guest Curious]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I was writing about mothers in general.  Out of weakness, they suppress their natural feelings of love to follow the culture from their own mothers and other women to be bitchy and behave hateful as a way to enhance their importance.  But I am writing without personal experience...

Their emotional immaturity stems from insecurity you mean? They use bitchery, emotional blackmail, oppositional defiance, passive aggression, gaslighting, blame shifting and scapegoating to narcissism and sociopath their way from lightweight to heavyweight in their children's hearts?

 

Did you hear those stories about mothers from Singaporeans?

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

Their emotional immaturity stems from insecurity you mean? They use bitchery, emotional blackmail, oppositional defiance, passive aggression, gaslighting, blame shifting and scapegoating to narcissism and sociopath their way from lightweight to heavyweight in their children's hearts?

 

Did you hear those stories about mothers from Singaporeans?

 

Oh my God!  This sounds horrible!   I will never give you Singaporean boys and men any hard time again!  If they are like that as mothers...  what hell on earth will they give as wives?

 

I was more fortunate.  I had a normal loving mother.  And our household was held by my grandmother,  a strong and energetic woman who had to get her family escape from Hitler's Germany.  She educated us with German Discipline and we could not fool around with her,  but there was not an evil cell in her.  She kept us straight like G_M is keeping us straight in this gay forum, ha ha. 😀

[Guest Curious]

On 8/12/2024 at 2:12 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

Oh my God!  This sounds horrible!   I will never give you Singaporean boys and men any hard time again!  If they are like that as mothers...  what hell on earth will they give as wives?

 

I was more fortunate.  I had a normal loving mother.  And our household was held by my grandmother,  a strong and energetic woman who had to get her family escape from Hitler's Germany.  She educated us with German Discipline and we could not fool around with her,  but there was not an evil cell in her.  She kept us straight like G_M is keeping us straight in this gay forum, ha ha. 😀

You were saying from a distance you saw and heard Singaporean mothers behaving badly to their children to gain status in the family.

 

i am wondering from who and where you saw and heard that from?

 

And are you saying Singapore government is like Nazi Germany? I thought they are more North Korea? Haha

[singalion]

On 8/10/2024 at 9:07 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

Here is where parents can help their children face the educational system. Teaching them (by example) to develop discipline and persistence, showing understanding and being on their side. Teaching them to put up with school, fake if necessary the "right attitude",  while preserving a good spirit, not feeling pushed to be "the best" but do what it takes to pass the grades.  Not pushing them to be accepted into ivy league schools,  but discovering their talents and giving them a colleague education in a field they have some interest.

 

 

Not sure if you have heard of tiger mums.

 

Most stress doesn't actually come from the teachers (or only parts of it) but the main stress not to fail is the push from parents.

 

I guess it is just the survival drive in a small city state and the government has been pushing this "the best" sage since the 1970s.

The best is probably not good enough.

 

Lately, there is a slight shift to instilling more creativity into kids, because the government realised that whacking "knowledge" into kids doesn't create the

entrepreneur environment which is required for Singapore in the long term.

 

I always feel very sad, when I see 7 - 11 year old kids still "studying" at 2am in my environment.

 

I guess I had a very blessed childhood and schooling... but still achieved academic postgraduate degrees from 3 different countries...

 

One of the problems that persists here are Employers who look whether people attended to any of those hyped schools and what grade someone achieved...

 

 

 

 

 

[Steve5380]

6 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Not sure if you have heard of tiger mums.

 

Most stress doesn't actually come from the teachers (or only parts of it) but the main stress not to fail is the push from parents.

 

I guess it is just the survival drive in a small city state and the government has been pushing this "the best" sage since the 1970s.

The best is probably not good enough.

 

Lately, there is a slight shift to instilling more creativity into kids, because the government realised that whacking "knowledge" into kids doesn't create the

entrepreneur environment which is required for Singapore in the long term.

 

I always feel very sad, when I see 7 - 11 year old kids still "studying" at 2am in my environment.

 

I guess I had a very blessed childhood and schooling... but still achieved academic postgraduate degrees from 3 different countries...

 

One of the problems that persists here are Employers who look whether people attended to any of those hyped schools and what grade someone achieved...

 

 

Yes, I remember when a "tiger mom" in the US became famous.  In reality, it is hard to criticize parents who want their children to be "the best".  Especially compared to parent who disregard or physically mistreat or exploit their children.  Fortunate children are those who have LOVING parents who put the highest emphasis in MOTIVATING their children more than forcing them,  and do a good job in cultivating their self-esteem.  I had such a parent and family,  and I suspect you had it too.

[Steve5380]

8 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

You were saying from a distance you saw and heard Singaporean mothers behaving badly to their children to gain status in the family.

 

i am wondering from who and where you saw and heard that from?

 

And are you saying Singapore government is like Nazi Germany? I thought they are more North Korea? Haha

 

Oh,  one can get this idea also from this thread, ha ha.   Did I say that your government is like Nazi Germany?  That it rounds up "undesirables", puts them in concentration camps, and gets rid of them in gas chambers?

[Guest Indeed]

14 hours ago, singalion said:

 

I always feel very sad, when I see 7 - 11 year old kids still "studying" at 2am in my environment.

 

 

It is sad to see them lose that cheerful and carefree attitude at that age to become serious and sullen like adults caught in the rat race.

 

Children are forced to grow up too fast these days in Singapore.

[Guest Aiya]

On 8/13/2024 at 1:47 PM, singalion said:

 

I always feel very sad, when I see 7 - 11 year old kids still "studying" at 2am in my environment.

 

 

Do you feel sad seeing elderly folks working graveyard shift?

[Guest Heng Ong Huat Ah!!!]

On 8/11/2024 at 9:38 PM, Guest Curious said:

Their emotional immaturity stems from insecurity you mean? They use bitchery, emotional blackmail, oppositional defiance, passive aggression, gaslighting, blame shifting and scapegoating to narcissism and sociopath their way from lightweight to heavyweight in their children's hearts?

 

Did you hear those stories about mothers from Singaporeans?

Now, it explains why children wanted to move out and live alone or stop getting married to another bitchy narcisistic psychopathic partner.  Heng ah!!!   Gay are not required to have legal obligations with their parnter unlike the straight couple.  You can keep fucking with different people until the right one comes along.

[Strange Fruit]

I like how the discussion here has segued from merely whether or not Singaporean guys are facially unattractive to the possible environmental factors to an earnest treatise on the terrible lives of local children brought on by the female side of the parenting duo. So many non-members clearly have strong opinions about the abusive nature of local motherhood to be commenting with such gusto!  I found Steve5380’s comment particularly interesting: ‘She educated us with German Discipline and we could not fool around with her,  but there was not an evil cell in her.’

 

To discipline and bring someone in line and yet have them grow up not feeling any resentment towards them and seeing them as good is a truly rare but vital skill of good parenting, something for which many adults lack a role model I think children can quickly pick up on inconsistencies and hypocrisies in adults - that ‘do as I say not as I do’ attitude, that causes resentment because they feel coerced into ‘performing’ well for someone they are entirely dependent on, while the person who holds the power doesn’t lead by example. My father, for instance, wanted an athletic son who didn’t do Nancy-boy activities like dance and draw butterflies. He used to threaten me with the mockery of my male schoolmates for my pansy ways. Though a lot of the mockery came directly from him: ‘You run like a duck’ he chided me when I joined the choir in secondary school instead of the uniformed groups. At age 11 he showed me that famous scene in Full Metal Jacket where a fat and incompetent Private blew his fucking brains out with a rifle on the toilet after killing his platoon commander for tekan-Ing him for being slow and unathletic, as a warning for how I would be treated in NS. Despite all this, he himself was far from the strapping alpha-male he desired me to be - he was obese and actually evaded military service completely due to a health condition which today would still include you in the active forces. He certainly did not lead by example and as a result I had only fear and contempt of him. To his credit he changed a lot in later life, but it could never quite compensate for those early years. 
 

On a macro level citizens similarly become disgruntled with an autocratic yet lazy government. The term ‘perform’ well, as popular as it is in Singapore (‘I want my child to perform well in school’) is already a telling indicator of that false nature of parental expectations; it’s a performance rather than a true measure of development or achievement, of ‘doing well’.
 

There has been much talk of how our recent Olympic medallists come from mixed-race families, if they weren’t China-born and bred. There is a prevailing sentiment that most Singaporean parents would perceive any talent in sport as merely ‘play’ (unless it gets their child into a top JC, and even so, it is an accessory skill with an ultimately academic purpose). I myself had many talents in both the visual and performing arts as a child, but both were seen as possible ‘hobbies’ to pursue when aided with the money earned from being a doctor or lawyer (I am now neither). My mum used to cut out these newspaper articles of academics who practised art or writing in their spare time as ‘motivation; the fact that these articles even existed clearly points towards some sort of desirable life lesson that the Singapore state wanted its citizens to learn. Now of course being the inconsistent parent it is, Singapore is singing a different tune - in order to establish itself as a truly first-world nation that draws in both investors and the right kind of tourists and expatriates, it suddenly needs a vibrant and unique arts scene (which we have so far mostly brought in from overseas), stunning architecture (which we have so far purchased mainly from British architectural firms) and entrepreneurs who can think out of the box (which we have so far...) . The gay scene, meanwhile, wants more holistically-attractive men rather than well-built prawns who have no personality or interesting world-views. What both the government and the gays require are people who have been blessed with the necessary physical and mental development  that does not impede ether facial or psychological growth. Both may be more linked than we think. 

[Guest Curious]

16 hours ago, Strange Fruit said:

I like how the discussion here has segued from merely whether or not Singaporean guys are facially unattractive to the possible environmental factors to an earnest treatise on the terrible lives of local children brought on by the female side of the parenting duo. So many non-members clearly have strong opinions about the abusive nature of local motherhood to be commenting with such gusto!  I found Steve5380’s comment particularly interesting: ‘She educated us with German Discipline and we could not fool around with her,  but there was not an evil cell in her.’

 

To discipline and bring someone in line and yet have them grow up not feeling any resentment towards them and seeing them as good is a truly rare but vital skill of good parenting, something for which many adults lack a role model I think children can quickly pick up on inconsistencies and hypocrisies in adults - that ‘do as I say not as I do’ attitude, that causes resentment because they feel coerced into ‘performing’ well for someone they are entirely dependent on, while the person who holds the power doesn’t lead by example. My father, for instance, wanted an athletic son who didn’t do Nancy-boy activities like dance and draw butterflies. He used to threaten me with the mockery of my male schoolmates for my pansy ways. Though a lot of the mockery came directly from him: ‘You run like a duck’ he chided me when I joined the choir in secondary school instead of the uniformed groups. At age 11 he showed me that famous scene in Full Metal Jacket where a fat and incompetent Private blew his fucking brains out with a rifle on the toilet after killing his platoon commander for tekan-Ing him for being slow and unathletic, as a warning for how I would be treated in NS. Despite all this, he himself was far from the strapping alpha-male he desired me to be - he was obese and actually evaded military service completely due to a health condition which today would still include you in the active forces. He certainly did not lead by example and as a result I had only fear and contempt of him. To his credit he changed a lot in later life, but it could never quite compensate for those early years. 
 

On a macro level citizens similarly become disgruntled with an autocratic yet lazy government. The term ‘perform’ well, as popular as it is in Singapore (‘I want my child to perform well in school’) is already a telling indicator of that false nature of parental expectations; it’s a performance rather than a true measure of development or achievement, of ‘doing well’.
 

There has been much talk of how our recent Olympic medallists come from mixed-race families, if they weren’t China-born and bred. There is a prevailing sentiment that most Singaporean parents would perceive any talent in sport as merely ‘play’ (unless it gets their child into a top JC, and even so, it is an accessory skill with an ultimately academic purpose). I myself had many talents in both the visual and performing arts as a child, but both were seen as possible ‘hobbies’ to pursue when aided with the money earned from being a doctor or lawyer (I am now neither). My mum used to cut out these newspaper articles of academics who practised art or writing in their spare time as ‘motivation; the fact that these articles even existed clearly points towards some sort of desirable life lesson that the Singapore state wanted its citizens to learn. Now of course being the inconsistent parent it is, Singapore is singing a different tune - in order to establish itself as a truly first-world nation that draws in both investors and the right kind of tourists and expatriates, it suddenly needs a vibrant and unique arts scene (which we have so far mostly brought in from overseas), stunning architecture (which we have so far purchased mainly from British architectural firms) and entrepreneurs who can think out of the box (which we have so far...) . The gay scene, meanwhile, wants more holistically-attractive men rather than well-built prawns who have no personality or interesting world-views. What both the government and the gays require are people who have been blessed with the necessary physical and mental development  that does not impede ether facial or psychological growth. Both may be more linked than we think. 

 

Oh wow are you saying that gays here are as bitchy and demanding as their government here?

 

Also what is facial growth? From almond-shaped face grow into mooncake face?

 

[Guest Curious]

It's an internationally acclaimed fact. Look at the number of years any Singaporean male won an international male pageant, and you can then surmise that Singaporean guys are as ugly as crustaceans come and go.

[Guest Crabs and louse]

2 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

It's an internationally acclaimed fact. Look at the number of years any Singaporean male won an international male pageant, and you can then surmise that Singaporean guys are as ugly as crustaceans come and go.

But that's more due to the Miss Singapore syndrome or BHB misrepresentative pageant phenomenon in Singapore, isn't it?

 

People who chose to take part are ones who don't have what it takes and needs the validation, while people who have what it takes don't need the validation maybe hence don't take part.

[Guest Curious]

3 hours ago, Guest Crabs and louse said:

But that's more due to the Miss Singapore syndrome or BHB misrepresentative pageant phenomenon in Singapore, isn't it?

 

People who chose to take part are ones who don't have what it takes and needs the validation, while people who have what it takes don't need the validation maybe hence don't take part.

Let's go with your argument, and it should then apply to all the countries' contestants. It's a joke that even among the world's rejects, Singaporean men still can't make it. So much for being the world's first for so many things. Looks sure ain't it, and that's why Singapore men are just prawns...ugly luck f..K!

[Strange Fruit]

14 hours ago, Guest Curious said:

Let's go with your argument, and it should then apply to all the countries' contestants. It's a joke that even among the world's rejects, Singaporean men still can't make it. So much for being the world's first for so many things. Looks sure ain't it, and that's why Singapore men are just prawns...ugly luck f..K!

I’ll answer your earlier question first about facial growth - it’s not about having a bigger face but rather the potential in childhood while the bones are still developing to expand the maxilla so that all the teeth can come in properly without any need for braces. This also leads to a wider airway and nasal passage and obviously better bone structure leads to better looking faces. 
 

As for why Singapore has never produced a winner in a pageant, partly it is the fact we are not a culture of pageantry, unlike say, Latin America, Philippines or Thailand, where even straight guys unabashedly take part in college-organised pageants wearing very little just for the fun of it. Look at the National Costume segment and you can already see which countries give a shit and which do not (Singapore clearly in the latter category) That innate sensuality and hedonism is severely lacking here, and while Brazil for instance has a reputation for universally attractive men the reality is that the average Brazilian male is really quite average. But culture can forge a personality that makes even an average-looking guy confident and sexy - think of the world of difference between a ‘daddy’ and an ‘uncle’ - same body, different demeanour.
 

Singapore has its share of handsome guys. I see at least two stunning guys in the early hours of my neighbourhood gym: tall, handsome and well-built, but both pretty reserved in their unfortunately-baggy gym clothes (they probably have bigorexia and think they are skinny); I cannot imagine either of them wanting to take part in a pageant despite having the potential to win. It is likely that bodybuilding physique competitions have taken their focus away from pageants. Also, as someone else mentioned, social media is now far more rewarding to most good-looking guys than a pageant trophy. 

[singalion]

When looking at the topic I think every nation is a prawn nation.

 

You always have a bunch of hot guys (a minority) but a high amount of average guys.

 

The body forming is just something that comes more in the recent years as media, health experts etc promulgate such fitness levels or create the image of what is considered as attractive.

 

But in real, even with guys frequenting gyms (not just the changing rooms and steam room area) on higher amount, there are still hot guys, average guys and below average guys when it comes to looks.

 

Surely, Singapore has still sufficient hot guys (also those who don't frequent gyms or do bodybuilding). The problem is that not all of the hot guys are gay. ha ha

 

Also, isn't face much more important than the body shape?

 

just my "two cents" on the topic.

 

 

[singalion]

42 minutes ago, Strange Fruit said:

As for why Singapore has never produced a winner in a pageant, partly it is the fact we are not a culture of pageantry, unlike say, Latin America, Philippines or Thailand, where even straight guys unabashedly take part in college-organised pageants wearing very little just for the fun of it.

 

But that is always subjective and depends on the judges background.

Probably with a higher share of East Asians in the judge's panel, Singaporean hot guys (from a certain ethnic background) had greater chances.

 

However, the main factor is probably that many hot and good looking Singaporean guys just shun the publicity and don't take part at such pageant competitions, which results that mostly just third tier guys join for Singapore.

 

 

Edited August 19 by singalion