groyn88 Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 On Saturday, 29 March 2025, a reporter asked Minister K Shanmugam, PAP election candidate for Nee Soon GRC, about lawyer and LGBT activist Deryne Sim. Transcript: Reporter: The Opposition actually made some comments about the potential candidate, Ms (Deryne Sim). Do you have any comments about it? K Shanmugam: I have never said that she is a potential candidate. You know, this whole thing has been put up by others. "Oh, she's seen with me, and therefore she is a potential candidate. And therefore... ", you know. So people write up and people talk about it. Have I said anything in public? Yeah. So I haven't said anything. And one musn't assume, therefore that, you know, whoever is seen is a potential candidate. Links: https://the-singapore-lgbt-encyclopaedia.fandom.com/wiki/K_Shanmugam's_views_on_LGBT_rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kLookx Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 I always find this fellow very sneaky and insincere. Why just can't admit it's test balloon. She's obviously there with him to test public reception abt her being a potential candidate. Or else what ? To be there coz too free ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSgDad Posted March 30 Report Share Posted March 30 (edited) 12 hours ago, groyn88 said: On Saturday, 29 March 2025, a reporter asked Minister K Shanmugam, PAP election candidate for Nee Soon GRC, about lawyer and LGBT activist Deryne Sim. Transcript: Reporter: The Opposition actually made some comments about the potential candidate, Ms (Deryne Sim). Do you have any comments about it? K Shanmugam: I have never said that she is a potential candidate. You know, this whole thing has been put up by others. "Oh, she's seen with me, and therefore she is a potential candidate. And therefore... ", you know. So people write up and people talk about it. Have I said anything in public? Yeah. So I haven't said anything. And one musn't assume, therefore that, you know, whoever is seen is a potential candidate. Links: https://the-singapore-lgbt-encyclopaedia.fandom.com/wiki/K_Shanmugam's_views_on_LGBT_rights YUP... saw it in the news LOL Testing 1, 2, 3... testing ... LOL 🤣🤣🤣 Edited March 30 by EastSgDad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qst Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 (edited) On 3/30/2025 at 6:12 AM, kLookx said: I always find this fellow very sneaky and insincere. Why just can't admit it's test balloon. She's obviously there with him to test public reception abt her being a potential candidate. Or else what ? To be there coz too free ? I agree with you, but there is very little a politician could do at this point. Option 1. admit it's a test balloon?? isn't this just an own goal lol - no politician of the right mind would do this Option 2. not use test balloon strategies and field candidates based on conviction (eg. if they are truly for lgbt equality then continue with the candidate even if there is public backlash) -- given that they are in it to win it, lgbt equality certainly won't be a hill that they are willing to die on. Option 3. giving this sneaky and insincere answer... or a better more polished answer that a savvy politician could give, but is ultimately of the same essence. Edited March 31 by qst grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why? Posted April 2 Report Share Posted April 2 On 4/1/2025 at 1:28 AM, qst said: Admit it's a test balloon?? Treating gay people like a lab guinea pig is extremely offensive. Anyway, nobody cares how we feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strategicthrust Posted April 2 Report Share Posted April 2 10 hours ago, Why? said: Treating gay people like a lab guinea pig is extremely offensive. Anyway, nobody cares how we feel. Actually I beg to differ. It would've been traumatising to put someone up for election and then let her kena from opposition parties, kena from conservative whitedot groups, etc. just for promoting LGBTQ rights. Im in the civil service and trust me, EVERYTHING the govt does has gone thru the test balloon phase. If it's officially announced, it has probably been tested, piloted, whether using balloon, helicopter or airplane. Im sure politics is no different from the civil service's approach, if not even more paranoid. So yeah if someone in the party went "lets try fielding an LGBTQ activist" i think it's an important step forward. Shame the balloon popped though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why? Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 8 hours ago, strategicthrust said: Actually I beg to differ. It would've been traumatising to put someone up for election and then let her kena from opposition parties, kena from conservative whitedot groups, etc. just for promoting LGBTQ rights.h. What happens is a missed opportunity for this nation and its government to rise above the zealots and permanently stop hate speech and baseless accusations against us. It's decided to stand by the fundamentalist haters. This episode should serve as a lesson and an eye-opener for the LGBT community, for many years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Shouldn't the Moderators combine all these threads on the same issue , instead of having all those multiple threads on same item... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 On 3/30/2025 at 6:12 AM, kLookx said: I always find this fellow very sneaky and insincere. Why just can't admit it's test balloon. She's obviously there with him to test public reception abt her being a potential candidate. Or else what ? To be there coz too free ? Maybe to be there to make politician S look younger... 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youdoyou Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 On 4/3/2025 at 1:12 AM, strategicthrust said: Actually I beg to differ. It would've been traumatising to put someone up for election and then let her kena from opposition parties, kena from conservative whitedot groups, etc. just for promoting LGBTQ rights. Im in the civil service and trust me, EVERYTHING the govt does has gone thru the test balloon phase. If it's officially announced, it has probably been tested, piloted, whether using balloon, helicopter or airplane. Im sure politics is no different from the civil service's approach, if not even more paranoid. So yeah if someone in the party went "lets try fielding an LGBTQ activist" i think it's an important step forward. Shame the balloon popped though. A step forward, yes, but I still have mixed feelings about it. This is the same government that repealed 377A not cos it was the right thing to do and to decolonise its mindset about the issue. The fact is, discriminatory practices still exist. So even if they were testing the waters with regard to fielding an lgbt+ candidate, it feels like another exercise in window-dressing. oBiGeekie and Mister M 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Fruit Posted Sunday at 07:10 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:10 AM Wow I have been living under a rock ever since I made a pact with my mother to not bring up antagonistic political LGBTQ topics with me if she was only going to use it to start a fighting match - she was au fait with all the gay issues way before it reached my ears - how industrious a nosy conservative can be. Deryne Sim may be neck-deep in LGBTQ activity but in a way she’s a safe bet - she’s firstly a lesbian so really the crux of what 377a deals with - buggery - is sufficiently remote from her. The real conservative gay horror is really about the thought that men would want to stick their penises in the place other men shit from, and of course the ridiculous but still pervasive pedophile strawman. Lesbians are just the sexy sideshow. Gender debates have of course muddied up the waters further and to be honest I find their inclusion strangely amusing because sexuality and the fight for its permissive expression has little to do with gender fluidity. The simple line of thought to me is: if you live in a society where you can openly choose have sex with either a consenting man or a woman without issue, then it stands to reason that you can have sex with any consenting person no matter what they identify as. Subsequently. All other LGBTQ issues - employment discrimination , equal rights, marriage, gender reassignment, will be nullified. PAP is tactical in floating Deryne Sim at this point - she would be a major token against the opposition. If we consider that a highlight of Pink Dot all these years is the seamless coordination of the National Anthem with the NDP rehearsal fly-past, engendering more patriotism in local LGBTQs than the actual National Day itself, it is clear the most significant local gay and PAP event are linked by strong organisational ties. Now, if PAP dared to field a gay male candidate who was openly in a gay relationship, that would be something. I doubt even WP would have the balls to do that at this point. Imagine all the scrubbing of his social media they’d have to do either way... he’d have to be the most monogamous, academically-qualified, heteronormative gay man out there. He might have to start adopting stray dogs to add to the illusion of a family unit if he had no pets prior (cats are suspiciously fey) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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