Singapore Local Gay News [LGBT Related News] (Compiled)

[GuestWriter]

Shin Min Daily News

新明日报

Man molest man!

A middle aged man was charged for hiding in a male's toilet and subsequently molesting a 29 year old man.

The molested 29yo man was using the toilet at HDB Hub Toa Payoh when he met the molester. The molester not only watched him from the opposite cubicle, and also molested his legs by touching them through the gap below the partition. The 29 year old man was shocked and ran out of the toilet immediately.

This molest case occurred in 19 Nov 2004, at around 6:30pm at Toa Payoh HDB Hub.

The molester was a 44 year old man named Hong Ya Sai. He is a computer promoter. He was charged this morning in court.

Hong Ya Sai was wearing a blue T-Shirt and was medium built. He faced a charge for molestation and another for peeping. He is out on bail of S$12,000. The case will be adjoured to 24 Oct 2005.

According to the courts, the molestation happened at the 3rd level toilet of Toa Payoh HDB Hub.

[Guest 2727]

Yesterday, I saw this new about taxi driver drink a tea given by his customer and fall asleep for 1 full day. Funny thing is he did not lose anything at all after he awaken.

Something strongly strike my mind. He may look quite handsome to someone. I think he himself know the true story but do not wanted to tell only. Because it is to ashame to talk about.

[Guest tennisball]

Please tell which newspaper?

[Guest Guest_guest]

联合晚报 date : 10.11.05

[Cool]

Yesterday, I saw this new about taxi driver drink a tea given by his customer and fall asleep for 1 full day. Funny thing is he did not lose anything at all after he awaken.

Something strongly strike my mind. He may look quite handsome to someone. I think he himself know the true story but do not wanted to tell only. Because it is to ashame to talk about.

So u think that he was raped is it?

So weird that a passenger offer tea to taxi driver............ I wonder who dare to drink unless he also dun mind to be raped.

[Guest Full Story?]

Anyone has the "full" story?

[Guest 2727]

Anyone has the "full" story?

OK! THE STORY IS SOMETHING lIKE THIS. AS FROM NEWSPAPER.

The driver pick up a nice looking man from point A in singapore.

He told him he is a owner of a big company, and would like to book the taxi for the whole day. He then pay him $50.

Next he ask the driver to drive him to point B to meet a friend. But he came back a few minutes later saying he could not find his friend.

Then He ask the driver to drive him to point C. Where he drop by to pick up 2 tea and 2 bread.

He then ask the driver to drive him back to point B.

As it is close to mid night the driver also feel hungry, so he accepted the offer of tea and bread.

After taken the tea him fell asleep for 1day and 1night. After that he found out that the $50, tea and bread are gone. But whatever is his thing is still with him.

What I can imagine is before he fell asleep he sure know by then what the guy is up to, only thing is he is too weak to protect himself anymore.

[HendryTan]

Guys, whatever you do, stay clear of drugs !!!

Once you dabble with drugs, it is NOT a gay or anti-gay issue anymore.

It is now a drug issue, nobody will pity you - me included.

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From The New Paper : ELECTRIC NEWS

Gay drug ring BUSTED

Officers pose as gay lovers

# Officer poses as gay man. Suspect emerges from lift and beckons to officer, who arrests him

# Suspect leads officers to flat. Officers arrest two more suspects, one in bed and one in living room

# One suspect leads officer to alleged supplier's flat. They pose as gay couple to get in. Officers find 136 Ecstasy pills, 8 Erimin-5 tablets

By Andre Yeo

March 11, 2006

WEARING a tight blue singlet, he sat in bed with a blanket draped over him.

He was expecting his gay lover to bring home a male stranger for a 'party'.

He was also expecting to use some drugs to spice up their intimacy.

But he was not expecting what happened next. A stranger entered the room, saying clearly: 'CNB!'

The man in bed smiled, thinking it was the start of a sex game.

But when he saw a woman behind the stranger, he knew that something was wrong. It was a Central Narcotics Bureau (CNB) raid.

The raids were carried out in Tampines and Telok Blangah housing estates late Wednesday night and the gay drug syndicate which specialised in supplying Ecstasy pills was busted.

The pills seemed to have been used in the belief that they can enhance the sex act.

A CNB spokesman said that this was the first gay drug syndicate to be busted in Singapore.

To crack the case, undercover officers had to pose as gays because the supplier who's also a trafficker, another trafficker and customers were all gays.

The syndicate did not supply to women and heterosexuals.

Yesterday, The New Paper spoke to four undercover CNB officers who were involved in the operation that nabbed two suspected traffickers and two other suspects who are now on bail.

UNCOMFORTABLE ASSIGNMENT

The names of the officers have been changed to protect their identities.

For two of the officers, it was one of their more uncomfortable assignments.

Neither is gay. One has a girlfriend and the other is married.

Sergeant Tony, 31, said: 'We got information that men were offering to enhance sexual pleasure with Ecstasy pills. It was difficult for us to make contact because we did not understand their lingo.

'There are certain words and phrases that gays use when they are dealing with sex and drugs. So, we had to be careful not to give ourselves away.'

The code? Words such as 'flex', which stands for the 'flexible'. It refers to the freedom the gays have in taking either a dominant or submissive role during sex. The CNB officers spent days researching the gay lifestyle here.

From previous arrests of gay suspects at nightclubs, they knew that many in the community are well-educated and can afford more expensive drugs.

They were also aware of homosexual addicts using drugs as part of their sex sessions.

Said Staff Sergeant Mark: 'From our understanding, they believe that by consuming drugs while having sex, their sexual pleasure can be heightened.'

Posing as a gay drug addict, Sgt Tony headed to Block 450G at Tampines Street 42 at 11pm to meet a 28-year-old man. Two teams of CNB officers were nearby as back-up.

Waiting at the void deck near the lift landing, Sgt Tony felt a bit apprehensive. He was afraid the gay suspect might not find him attractive.

He said: 'I did not know his preference. I was worried he might not find me tempting enough or like my body language.

'I did not know whether I should shake hands or not because I did not know how a gay man should behave.'

Shortly after arriving, the lift door opened and the suspect emerged from the lift.

He smiled at Sgt Tony, who smiled back.

The man signalled at him to enter the lift. The moment they went in, Sgt Tony identified himself as a CNB officer.

The other officers immediately rushed in to nab their guy.

He took them to a sixth-floor unit where they found a man in the living room watching television.

They entered the unit and arrested him as well.

He was later found to be unaware of any drug activities there and was released on bail, pending a urine analysis by the Health Sciences Authority.

Sgt Tony entered one of the bedrooms in the five-room unit and saw another man sitting up in bed, holding a blanket.

Standing behind him was Sgt Julie, 28, who has been with the CNB for seven years.

Sgt Tony again identified himself, saying: 'CNB!'

What the 28-year-old systems engineer did next surprised the officers.

Said Sgt Julie: 'He smiled so sweetly and giggled. He probably thought it was a joke.'

Sgt Tony added: 'He was expecting a threesome with drugs and thought I was making it interesting by 'pretending' to be a CNB officer.

'But when he saw a female officer behind me, he realised it was not a joke. Then, we arrested him.'

They found six Ecstasy pills in the room and he told them his supplier, who is also gay, lives in Telok Blangah Heights.

He led a team of officers to a ninth-floor unit at Block 63 there and stood at the door with Sgt Eric at around 1am.

Sgt Eric, who is married, said: 'I posed as his lover who was interested in drugs. When the man opened the door, I identified myself and rushed in.'

So did a team of officers waiting at the staircase landing.

CREAMS & SEX TOYS

In the 42-year-old production supervisor's four-room flat, they found bottles of beauty products, creams, body toners, moisturisers and three sex toys.

There were also several bottles of health supplements. In these, they found 136 Ecstasy pills and eight Erimin-5 tablets.

He and the systems engineer will be charged in court today with possession for the purpose of trafficking. If convicted they can be jailed for at least five years and given five strokes of the cane.

The man they arrested in the lift will be released on bail pending investigation.

CNB said more arrests are expected.

[Gymmer]

Few days ago, undercover cops raided a gay ESP.

I have already predicted such raids would happen one day. There are so many guys looking for hi-fun in the chat rooms, and surely words will spread and CNB will take actions. The newpaper published in detailed about the scene and claimed such raid is the first case concerning gay ESP.

[过客]

Guys, whatever you do, stay clear of drugs !!! 

Once you dabble with drugs, it is NOT a gay or anti-gay issue anymore. 

It is now a drug issue, nobody will pity you - me included.

Agree with HendryTan. We should all stay away from substance abuse. And, thank you for taking the trouble to make the news available in this discussion thread.

Use of recreational drugs such as Ecstasy, Rush, etc may help to enhance sexual pleasure. However they also suppress and compromise the immune system. As a result, one becomes more susceptible to contacting STDs. In fact, that was the dissents' view of causes of AIDS. A group of dissent scientists has thrown out the hypothesis, "HIV causes AIDS". The group of scientists argued that it was the use of such immunosuppressant susbtances that eventually caused the early gay population in US & Europe to Acquire Immune Difficiency.

There are natural susbtances which not only enhance sexual performance and pleasure, but are also good for general health. Tongkat Ali one example. Do a search on the web and read about it yourself.

Anyhow, we should be vigilant and avoid substance abuse. We can help each other by posting here if we know of any establishment frequented by PLUs which allows use of such recreational drugs.

[Lungker]

Use of recreational drugs such as Ecstasy, Rush, etc may help to enhance sexual pleasure.

Your statement is not responsible. Do you have studies to prove what you say? Those who think they need such drugs to enhance their sexual pleasure are delusional. Drugs impair your ability to think and make proper judgement. It makes also you lose your inhibitions and thus have usually unsafe sex with different sexual partners in places like saunas. To prove what I said, no one uses such drugs when they are stuck at home masturbating. Why not if like what you say, it enhances sexual pleasure?

However they also suppress and compromise the immune system. As a result, one becomes more susceptible to contacting STDs. In fact, that was the dissents' view of causes of AIDS. A group of dissent scientists has thrown out the hypothesis, "HIV causes AIDS". The group of scientists argued that it was the use of such immunosuppressant susbtances that eventually caused the early gay population in US & Europe to Acquire Immune Difficiency.

Just because a group of dissenting scientist "has thrown out the hypothesis, "HIV causes AIDS"" does not make them correct. It is true that use of hard drugs, especially heroin, LSD, marijuana and cocaine, and recreational drugs like ice, esctasy and also poppers had weaken the immune system of the users. However, it is the HIV virus that that cause AIDS, not the weakened immune system. I have not read any articles or reports that support what you posted.

People who abuse drugs are often the ones who are often not practicising safe sex. There is a direct correlation. Their weakened immune system is due to frequent drug use. It does not cause them to accquire AIDS. If they are HIV positive, it is because they were infected while having unprotected sex.

Bottom line. If you use drugs to ehnance your sex life, your chances to getting infected with the HIV virus is much higher because you will lose your inhibitions espcially in an orgy in the suanas and you will not remember if you had unsafe sex or not. Many gay men in the West had reccently been infected becuase they had use "Ice, Speed, crystal med" while having sex. It seemed they can go on having sex for hours non-stop. And of course if you do that, the chances of you getting infected is much higher.

HIV cause AIDS. Get that in your head. Don't be fooled by dissenting scientists, Chinese traditional doctors, the voodoo man or the president of South Africa. It can't be cured yet. Will they find a cure in the future? Maybe. However, the good news is that nowadays, if you are diagnosed early and you take the medication (so called cocktail of drugs) you can live long and healthy. The prices of the drugs had dropped so much - due to poorer countries making them cheaply available, even to PLUs in Singapore, it is very affordable. Having AIDs is a huge long term medical problem but IT IS NOT a death sentence. And that is the gospel truth.

The trick is not to get infected in the first place and the only way is to have SAFE SEX!!

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...752C0A9649C8B63

[oralb]

we have this discussion before in the forum.

Please, NO to drugs

when you just enaging in PLU activities, the authority "might" close 1 eye, but when drugs are involved, it is a totally different ball game, the authority will come down so fast so hard that you cant even cry out in pain.

esp during this period, when the gahmen needed to make the whole country sparkingly clean.

what saddening to read the news report that the reporter once again "demonalized" PLU again. read the 1 sentence on the tight singlet...

[enjoylife77]

NO TO DRUGS.........IT ONLY DESTROY YOUR LIFE.

When you are feeling sluggish, take a good night rest and eat intelligently.

[Guest Bravo]

Well done, CNB guys!!! :clap:

[TopChinese]

Some links to studies that show poppers has a repressive effect on immune system:

http://www.clubdrugcounselor.com/poppers.htm

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2...hD0pLbA8QvSJ4wQ

http://www.duesberg.com/articles/jlpoppers.html

Don't do drugs.

[thaiboyz]

The recent case of drugs abusing, hopefully able to wake up those who organised 'parties' without considering the consequences and got carried away. This particular case should be a warning signal to them that the authority is keeping an eye on such activities. Back off if they are still thinking of these risky acts.

[skylancer]

Beware when u want to take drug.... cops pose as PLU the perils of the front page

As the police will look for u....

Anyway, better be careful before u are sorry for wat u had done....

Take care...

[jazz]

THEY BATHE, THEN GET DIRTY. I got HIV from S'pore bathhouse orgy, says man.

That's the front page headlines.

While I sympathise with Andy (the man in the report), I am of the view that we are responsible for our actions.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

Unprotected sex comes with the risk of AIDS.

No matter how many times we repeat this, no matter how different the message looks, there are some who are still willing to take the risk....... :swear:

[jazz]

For the regulars of bathhouses, do love yourselves a bit more.

Besides being careful not to hurt yourself and your loved ones, be careful of the police. In the Sunday report, Andy "hopes the authorities can conduct more checks on these clubs".

It's an open invitation to the authorities.

Frankly speaking, I am of the opinion that frequent spot checks will not stop the spreading of HIVs. Promote the practice of safe sex.... make condoms available freely, etc...

Does HIVs spread only in bathhouses?

What about the ever increasing freelance prostitues along the Lorongs of Geylang?

To clarify (there are still many who are mis-informed), prostitution in Singapore is NOT LEGALISED but REGULATED.

[jazz]

Joyce Lim (the reporter) commented "If the Government can ban Nation and other gay parties because it thinks that they promote gay sex, how can it turn a blind eye to these men's clubs? The parties are held only once a year, but these clubs are open every day."

Joyce was even in contact with the police and spoke to ASP Siow Cheng Cheng on the matter.

You don't need a crystal ball to to see this future :whistle:

[oralb]

after the election reporting, i no longer trust ST and the local news, at least not fully.

i wont be surprise that joyce, "Andy" are the same person. take some info, throw in some creatively, whip up some drama and volia you have a front page article.

they love to demonize us...

of coz the message of safe sex shouldnt be curb or lost, but i am against their way of sensationalise the whole issue.

[jazz]

But did you see the pictures...?????

Nicely taken... love the nipples of the guy..clean cut, fair and great bod.

Now back to the serious stuff

I don't think they create the news... just that they choose what to publish and what not to! They may have sensationalised the issues by highlighting certain points and visualising it for the readers.

My point: Truth or False. Just be Careful.

[Lungker]

Can someone kindly cut and paste this article here. Me in Bangkok now. Thks.

[jazz]

Can someone kindly cut and paste this article here.  Me in Bangkok now.  Thks.

Wah.... 4 pages leh.....

Anyway, tried to look for the article on The New Paper on Sunday website, but to no avail...

Sorry... Can' help. No scanner....

[Guest Guest]

.....the said "bath house" is tucked away in a sleepy corner off the City Hall area and hidden among a row of run-down shophouses.....prepare for sudden visits!!

[jazz]

.....the said "bath house" is tucked away in a sleepy corner off the City Hall area and hidden among a row of run-down shophouses.....prepare for sudden visits!!

Not to forget..."Club's name... on the door is about the size of a postcard."

[Guest Guest]

It like quite obvious which one is it

[Guest Guest]

anyway the obvious follow-ups are imminent after a press outbreak. avoid at all costs.

[jazz]

anyway the obvious follow-ups are imminent after a press outbreak. avoid at all costs.

I totally agree....

Say whatever you want, better be safe than sorry

[seekachub]

What a lamer...this andy guy really sucks big time..

[oralb]

What a lamer...this andy guy really sucks big time..

if this "Andy" guy even exist in the 1st place...

yesterday SMU held the Aids Memorial and on the same day this article surfaced... coincidental?

all this while i just dislike the way they love to associate AIDS with PLU. as if hetrosexual never had aids, why the singled out? coz we are minority? coz we wouldnt dare to speak up?

i guess by now all the sauna joints will see a drop in patrons, coz with this "news" hitting the front page, you can be sure of 2 things:

1. Moralistic and ethical folks will start to write to forum pages condemning the existance of such places

2. the authority will act on it "for the good of society"

it is a sad day for all of us...

most important, be safe, always...

New Paper Article link

[Guest Sunday Read]

I am not trying to rub wounds with salt but just find Andy has kind of "very interesting” personality. Andy could be a fictitious character created by the report so that their Sunday paper sells like hot cakes. There are lots of loop-holes in the report (or fiction story?). I will like to add my few remarks to this report:

… Andy told The New Paper on Sunday: 'I don't want another person to fall victim to Aids. Andy's nightmare began after he was invited to join a men's health club by his gay friends last year. 'I didn't really like the place during my first visit. It was on a week night. I remember everyone inside there was drunk and I was also too drunk to have sex,' he recalled. 'Most clubs would have a gym, steam room and cafe. But people who go there don't use the facilities. They are there to look for sex partners.' …

Remarks: Did his friend force Andy into going into this club? He is an adult and he knows what’s this club is for. And, what was his purpose of going there that night?

…. Andy returned to the club a few days later and soon fell into sexual temptation. It was, to him, a good place to meet gay men ….

Remarks: Ahhh, the cat is out of the bag now. He was horny and wanted to go there for sex with other gay men.

…… Andy, who works in the health and fitness industry, said: 'Previously, we had to go to pubs and toilets of certain shopping malls to meet gays. You needed to chat first to find out about their sexual orientation. 'But at these clubs, the men are mostly gays or bisexuals.' …..

Remarks: So, Andy is one who is consistently searching for m2m sex. Even there is no such clubs, he will go cruising in other places !!

….. Andy claims to have seen groups of people having sex in the 12 private rooms. (and later in the report) …. Andy believed he contracted the HIV virus from taking part in a orgy with four men last year. He admitted to having unprotected sex with at least two of them.....

Remarks: So, not only he was an audience --- seeing people having orgy ….. he participated. What’s the difference of “groups of people” and “with four men” ?

…… Those like myself who didn't want to wait to use the rooms just do it in dark corners,' he said. 'Many men had unprotected sex because there are no condoms available unless you are inside the rooms.' …..

Remarks: So, once get horny, he switched off his brain. All those posters and adverts by AFA at the bus-stops, theatres etc. have failed to deliver the messages to the public ?!

….. Andy also frequented two other men's clubs - up to three times a week. He said different clubs offer different experiences. …..

Remarks: Andy is gambling off his life, just like buying 4-D, three times (2 days) a week. And don’t forget there are another two days of ToTo i.e. cruising in toilets etc.

….. There was something different about that night, he recalled. Usually, members are given a locker for their belongings and a towel to cover themselves. 'But as that night was a special night, we weren't given any towels,' he said. ……

Remarks: If you go to a men’s club, is there a difference of hanging a small towel to cover your dxxx and without one? See no evil will do no evil in the men’s club?? Haha.

…… 'The bad news didn't hit me on the spot. It was only when I got home that I felt distressed. I never expected this to happen to me.' …..

Remarks: If he gambles, there is a chance of either to win or lose. Similar to unprotected sex. So, Andy expects to win every time he gambled ?!

….. 'Later, I felt angry. Now, I'm resigned to fate,' lamented a forlorn-looking Andy. ….. Ironically, Andy had met his partner at the same club around the same time he took part in the orgy. …..His partner also took a HIV test but tested negative. ….

Remarks: So, Andy is angry because – both he and his partner had fooled around – why only he got it. Life has been unfair to him??

…… And he wants to warn others of the dangers of visiting men's clubs. …..He hopes the authorities can conduct more checks on these clubs. 'I don't want others to end up a victim like myself,' he said. …..

Remarks: Ok, a good story will have a happy ending -- Andy gets what he deserved, turn over a new leaf and is now a saint -- wanting all men’s club to be shutdown, all cruising places raided …… hmmm this coincides with what our society has protrait "gay lifestyle" is. Nice story to read on a Sunday afternoon (if you're not cruising then).

[Guest Guest]

But did you see the pictures...?????

Nicely taken... love the nipples of the guy..clean cut, fair and great bod.

Hey, the photo was taken by the award winning photograher of TNP. Check his name under the pic and go to this page to see how he look.

http://www.canon.com.sg/index.cfm?fuseaction=photojournalist

Actually hor, the other TNP photographers are cuter with one looks like Leon Lai. Yummy

[Lungker]

Can someone kindly cut and paste this article here.  Me in Bangkok now.  Thks.

Wah.... 4 pages leh.....

Anyway, tried to look for the article on The New Paper on Sunday website, but to no avail...

Sorry... Can' help. No scanner....

Sorry for the confusion Jazz....I was referring to cut and paste from the on-line article. I wasn't requesting for anyone to actually cut and paste the physical article. In any case, OralB had already posted the link. Thanks!!

Whether Andy actually exists or not is one thing, but what he describes as what goes on inside the saunas is quite factual. Unsafe sex do occurs in the saunas but it also occurs everywhere else.

The article is slanted towards Andy's contention that he was infected in the sauna. How can that be proven? Also to be infected, a person had to WILLINGLY engage in unprotected sex. If you are the top, you better wear a condom. If you are the bottom, then you better MAKE SURE the top is wearing a condom.

In a darkroom orgy, it is no good if the top is wearing a condom. He might have already use it on another person and that guy's bodilly fluid is on the outside of the condom protecting the top but not the next bottom.

In any case, being HIV positive is ot a death sentence like last time. Taking the cocktail of anti-retroviral medicine will prolong the life of the infected person indefinitely. An infected person can still live a long and healthy life.

The New Paper like Shin Min is being sensationalistic. Never mind them. What is important however is that all of us know that unsafe sex take place whether in saunas or anywhere else. Perhaps all of us can be more careful and vigilent and also educate/cajol our friends, gay or otherwise, to practise safe sex also.

The authorities can clamp down on the saunas but I think they also understand that it is only a short term reaction. Gay sex and its renewed bigger problem of gay cruising will still take place.

Education is the solution but herein lies the dilemma. Gay sex is illegal in Singapore and government do not want to be seen to spend money on educating people on something that is illegal. The government is in a Catch-22 (no-win) situation here. Damn if you do, and damn if you don't.

The solution is to change the laws that make gay sex, sodomy and oral sex illegal. In that case, together with the gay community, the government can launch a full scale educational campaign to educate the public about safe sex. Where gays are concerned, the saunas should be plastered with posters on safe sex. Condoms must be made freely and widely availabe in the saunas. In fact, in the Action for Aids website, they had actually reccomended some things the saunas owners should consider implementing to reduce unsafe sex in their premises.

Will the government change the laws? I won't bet on it. But if you were to told me just 8 years ago, Singapore would have 6 gay saunas and countless gay and lesbian bars in the year 2006, I wouldn't bet on it too.

We are all responsible for our actions. If we get infected, it is because we allowed it to happened. Andy blamed the saunas, but I think he should blame himself first.

No time for spelling and grammer checks since I am doing this in an interent cafe. My apologies.

[Guest Luvsilver]

The solution is to change the laws that make gay sex, sodomy and oral sex illegal.  In that case, together with the gay community, the government can launch a full scale educational campaign to educate the public about safe sex.  Where gays are concerned, the saunas should be plastered with posters on safe sex.  Condoms must be made freely and widely availabe in the saunas.  In fact, in the Action for Aids website, they had actually reccomended some things the saunas owners should consider implementing to reduce unsafe sex in their premises.

I would agree EDUCATION is crucial to help reduce the spread of STDS. However, I can't see the connection between legalising homosexuality and the consequent reduction of STDS. The fact is, Aids is speading fastest among hetrosexuals in Asia and Africa. To my knowledge heterosexual sex is very legal in these places. :-)

Sexual promiscuity AND unprotected sex causes the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Sexual education addressing BOTH these areas is the solution.

You have also raised some very good points regarding educational posters and free condoms in saunas. These measures are already in place in places like London.

The only real safety is sexual abstinence but if you have to play .... always practice "safer" sex. Use condoms ... always. Remember, oral sex has its dangers. You can't be too careful.

Luvsilver

[Guest Guest_mature109]

How came nobody named the club concerned? it is that TC?

Quite a number of PLUs are irresponsible and, of the minimum, have no consideration to others sharing common facilities. I come across these black sheeps in default V-Club, freqently have fun in the hot pool, discard used tower / "sperm" soaked tissue on the floor.

Luckily, HIV can not be transmitted to others in high temperature environment, and leaset possible to be catched when ones step onto sperm soaked tower and tissue. Otherwise, many innocents would have being infected already.

For the sake of majority of its customer, the clubs shuold stop condoning these black sheeps, do something to safe guide the share facilities.

[crazygolfer]

How came nobody named the club concerned? it is that TC?

The report says "The club frequented by Andy is located in a single-storey shophouse in town. It's about four times the size of a five-room HDB flat and the lights are always dimmed, he said"

So, it could be TC as this joint the only one is having a single-storey facility.

[thaiboyz]

My comments and views :

Targeted venue : Mainly focused on TC and less on OS.

Andy : Fabricated character

Joyce Lim : Just a reporter who is assigned to write her "project". She knows nuts about the local gay saunas

Relevant sources : Suspected from internal parties or someone who frequent saunas.

Health Risk: Messages have been on long enough to practise Safe Sex. It is up to individual to play his part and be responsible for his own health.

Implications: Authorities have been challenged to take up more active role to curb gay sex.

Impact: Stirred up a talk in PLU's community and warned the sauna goers to stay away for time being.

Consequences: Regular police raids and once they have evidence, licences will be revoked.

Aftermath: More underground "parties" might be held but may be more home raided as well.

Conclusion: Stay at home and be goodie

:twisted:

[worldangel]

So, it could be TC as this joint the only one is having a single-storey facility.

Maybe in these few days, all saunas would have a hard time getting clienteles .... just wait and see the situation then.

[Guest Gay Sauna SUNAMI]

WAIT! tnow TNP make such a hot front page topic abt gay sauna and AIDS, police raid the gay sauna topic still not yet heated up yet!

WAIT minister for health/hell? Dr Balaji havent speak up yet!

Arrow will Aim at PLU and is getting ready to shoot again!

then there will be Anti-Gay die hard conservatives will ask the authorithy to make more strict rules to gay activities!

Sigh! Why no Body point arrow to the Geylang Chickens leh!

Why in Sg when ever talk abt HIV the arrow will shoot at PLUs?

well! thot the Authorithy should do is to hold campaigns to bring up more awareness on safe sex, i think they do very little effort for this!

is that AFA ( Action For Aids) that without govent fund is working very hard to orgasnise charity events to raise funds and set up FOC screening at Kelantan clinic.

why not they put up a charity TV show to raise fund for AIDS campaign like those NKF shows and vice versa, so far no right? no body cares from the top official ministry of Hell/health...................... :swear:

[maturemedium]

eerrrr... I go straight saunas also.. and they have china girls for sex hor... so aids is everywhere hor....

[thaiboyz]

According to sources, Police went over to TC tonight but only claimed for inspection. Perhaps its a pre=warning. Monday and tues evening, TC is nomally having lesser crowd as compared to those nites with themes.

[Guest Which Bathhouse?]

Any Chinese reader here could figure out which bathhouse the article could be referring to? Which bathhouse has 12 private rooms? Which bathhouse can accomodate up to 300-400 guys in one evening?

[Guest Guest]

According to sources, Police went over to TC tonight but only claimed for inspection. Perhaps its a pre=warning. Monday and tues evening, TC is nomally having lesser crowd as compared to those nites with themes.

Really? Were you there?

Does anybody know whether the police visited other places ever since the TNP article was published?

[Guest Cabinetchange]

Anyway, that anti g. BalaCHI is longer holding his previous post, he got new assignment, may be his boss mr pink ( referring to colour of his shirt only hor, not insinuate anything) found him too g-blast. Taken his place is a certain Chee How. under Hwee Ger.........

so, lets see how is this CHEE how towards g.......

[TopChinese]

The Health Ministry tends to take a very pragmatic view as to HIV transmission. For the record, HIV incidence rates amongst the homosexual community actually dropped for 2005. Notwithstanding the 5 saunas and tons of Full Moon Parties. Saunas provide a convenient location to target the gay community and the education of safe sex.

Its clear from the article that they were focusing on TC, and the Full Moon Parties. What isn't clear is how these parties are contributing

People, please don't be stupid/lazy. Your failure to use a condom during sex is costing you your life and worse, the opportunity for a lot of gay men to meet other gay men. The saunas are not to be blamed for giving you AIDS when all they do is provide a location to have safe sex.

Its all your fault, do you not realise that?

[thaiboyz]

At this stage, we should move forward and beware that Authorities have already been challenged and informed, they will or have to follow up their actions to prove their existence. Whether that "Mr Andy" is fake or real character, is not an issue now. Perhaps keep low profiles and see how things move is a wise step to take now.

[jazz]

Anyway, that anti g. BalaCHI is longer holding his previous post, he got  new assignment, may be his boss mr pink ( referring to colour of his shirt only hor, not insinuate anything)  found him too g-blast. Taken his place is a certain Chee How. under Hwee Ger.........

so, lets see how is this CHEE how towards g.......

Hey, we can all understand why the CAPS on certain words

However, let's just show the guys (and ourselves) some respect.

FYI, Mr Heng Chee How was previously a Superintendent with the Police. Understand from some frens that he is actually a very nice person with no attitude.

[Guest Wondering]

Just wondering if police can arrest the so called Andy and charge him for having sex with men. Since he has confessed it, the police has the evidence. The police can issue an arrest warrant and TNP has to comply by providing information leading to Andy's whereabout. I am not sure about the law here, but just wondering...

If this could lead to his arrest, then why would Andy want to confess to TNP? Could Andy possibly be fake?

[bearbeary69]

At this stage, we should move forward and beware that Authorities have already been challenged and informed, they will or have to follow up their actions to prove their existence. Whether that "Mr Andy" is fake or real character, is not an issue now. Perhaps keep low profiles and see how things move is a wise step to take now.

i like the way u think and analyse thing.

would like to talk to u more... come to irc la..