thickhead79 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 SINGAPORE - A former diplomat who secretly filmed a boy at a public bath in Tokyo, among other acts of voyeurism, was fined 300,000 yen (S$2,600) on June 13, reported the Japanese media. Sim Siong Chye, 55, was a counsellor – a diplomatic rank for experienced foreign service officers – at the Singapore Embassy in Japan when he committed the offences. He had returned to Japan on June 9 to be questioned by the Japanese authorities, reported the Asahi Shimbun newspaper, and was quoted as saying that he had done so out of remorse and of his own will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thickhead79 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 5 hours ago, Guest Cancelled later said: Gay wedding is allowed in Singapore meh? Later that venue will be cancelled. I remembr there was a furor when some couple tried to host gay wedding in hotel and in the end due to pressure from Christian or public i forgot, the hotel cancel the occasion.. Everyone forgot already? Just a wedding not sex or romantic Event already over anyway QinWei 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Erm Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 Erm... there has been so many gay weddings held in Singapore before. 59 minutes ago, Guest Allowed meh said: What if someone plans a private event to marry his dog? Can? Or to marry his car? Allowed? Or a private event to marry multiple wives? Just because it's called private doesn't mean it's allowed. Alot of illegal stuff is done on private bro. Can stupid people like you stop asking stupid questions? Which venue will agree to host a wedding to a dog or car? Can you use your brain before you speak? Holding a gay wedding is not a crime in Singapore. It's just not recognised here legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lonely Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 40 minutes ago, Guest Erm said: Erm... there has been so many gay weddings held in Singapore before. Can stupid people like you stop asking stupid questions? Which venue will agree to host a wedding to a dog or car? Can you use your brain before you speak? Holding a gay wedding is not a crime in Singapore. It's just not recognised here legally. Then why hold it? Waste money? Must give ang pow to attend etc. I mean, if I can't get married, why they can? Does it mean have to marry another citizenship husband so it get recognised from his side? Why Singapore won't let us gay be happy? Why they must oppress me and deny us of our basic need to love and be loved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest sexes Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 5 minutes ago, Guest Lonely said: Then why hold it? Waste money? Must give ang pow to attend etc. I mean, if I can't get married, why they can? Does it mean have to marry another citizenship husband so it get recognised from his side? Why Singapore won't let us gay be happy? Why they must oppress me and deny us of our basic need to love and be loved? Cos there are two sexes,male and female,so male cant married together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Private meh Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 Is it really a private event though, if its filmed and put up in social media for the public? Strange right. Keep your private gay wedding private. Thank you very much. Like to share so much. Why don't share bank account details.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest attention Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 6 minutes ago, Guest Private meh said: Is it really a private event though, if its filmed and put up in social media for the public? Strange right. Keep your private gay wedding private. Thank you very much. Like to share so much. Why don't share bank account details.. Ya lor.later grab attention.these few days i saw the straight people protesting against the gay community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thickhead79 Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 26 minutes ago, Guest Private meh said: Is it really a private event though, if its filmed and put up in social media for the public? Strange right. Keep your private gay wedding private. Thank you very much. Like to share so much. Why don't share bank account details.. They need to earn money So they go each country to wedding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 2 police NSFs sexually violated by their superintendent https://www.todayonline.com/news/jail-fine-retired-police-superintendent-grope-nsfs-early-2000s-2439896 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Woah Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 On 6/15/2024 at 2:08 PM, Guest Guest said: 2 police NSFs sexually violated by their superintendent https://www.todayonline.com/news/jail-fine-retired-police-superintendent-grope-nsfs-early-2000s-2439896 Woah. So may perverts in Singapore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 (edited) On 6/13/2024 at 3:56 PM, Guest Cancelled later said: Gay wedding is allowed in Singapore meh? Later that venue will be cancelled. I remembr there was a furor when some couple tried to host gay wedding in hotel and in the end due to pressure from Christian or public i forgot, the hotel cancel the occasion.. Everyone forgot already? If they are truly legally married . Straight people also celebrate their marriage... or fly overseas to celebrate... Now after the repeal and the Ministers talks on Discrimination, I don't think any establishment will dare to cancel. Edited June 18 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Why oh why Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 On 6/15/2024 at 2:08 PM, Guest Guest said: 2 police NSFs sexually violated by their superintendent https://www.todayonline.com/news/jail-fine-retired-police-superintendent-grope-nsfs-early-2000s-2439896 1. Singapore gays are racist + ageist and the Indian/Malay superintendent who was in his 50s prefer young hot Chinese (assuming victims are all Chinese) so hook up apps, gay saunas and cruising in public wouldn't land him with his target. As a result, he had to take the huge risk with grave consequences if caught of using his position of power to prey on young nsf victims. 2. He was past his expiry date and retiring soon with his position of power advantage ending soon so getting desperate and willing to risk getting caught as he is retiring soon anyway. 3. No caning as his is already too old 4. Those young nsfs were hot enough for him to justify serving his jail time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wow Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/man-jailed-host-drug-party-guests-covid-4418326 2 years one week jail time is deterrent enough? I think previously the ceo drug pharmacy, gay website that dude 5 years or so. I think he will be coming out soon next year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINKYMALAY Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, Guest Wow said: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/man-jailed-host-drug-party-guests-covid-4418326 2 years one week jail time is deterrent enough? I think previously the ceo drug pharmacy, gay website that dude 5 years or so. I think he will be coming out soon next year or so. Different case la. When it involves drugs the punishment is on a different level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Host or guest Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 13 minutes ago, KINKYMALAY said: Different case la. When it involves drugs the punishment is on a different level. Funny they never report how those who took the drug in the party is "handled". Got go jail or those probation kind? Monitor ankle house arrest. But no jail time? Cause so many drug user in one party. But just focus on the host and his co host. Very interesting. So moral of story is do drug can just don't be the host? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINKYMALAY Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Guest Host or guest said: Funny they never report how those who took the drug in the party is "handled". Got go jail or those probation kind? Monitor ankle house arrest. But no jail time? Cause so many drug user in one party. But just focus on the host and his co host. Very interesting. So moral of story is do drug can just don't be the host? The ones who take drugs are charged la. In drug cases, the one who brings in the drug can get the death sentence. The one who takes can be jailed and then sent for rehab. The simple reason is that as a host/drug peddler - you are the one responsible for bringing drugs to the abusers and destroying their lives. Of course, sure you can do drugs - go ahead. For each charge you get, it goes into your records. Then good luck to your future. Why don't you try? We are also interested to know what your experience is like. Anyway, lucky this host gets jailed only. Means he is not a drug pusher - otherwise, it will be a death sentence already. Edited June 18 by KINKYMALAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 (edited) 8 hours ago, Guest Why oh why said: 1. Singapore gays are racist + ageist and the Indian/Malay superintendent who was in his 50s prefer young hot Chinese (assuming victims are all Chinese) so hook up apps, gay saunas and cruising in public wouldn't land him with his target. As a result, he had to take the huge risk with grave consequences if caught of using his position of power to prey on young nsf victims. The reporting says nothing about ethnic background of the victims. Hence, we shouldn't speculate on this or post any assumption. It totally doesn't matter whether the victims were Indian, Malay, Chinese, Eurasian, Mixed or any other ethnic group because the deed of the police superintendent was inappropriate in all cases. Edited June 18 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 8 hours ago, Guest Host or guest said: Funny they never report how those who took the drug in the party is "handled". Got go jail or those probation kind? Monitor ankle house arrest. But no jail time? Cause so many drug user in one party. But just focus on the host and his co host. Very interesting. So moral of story is do drug can just don't be the host? Not reporting doesn't mean those party attendants won't get punished. Let's not assume anything or claim something if we don't have the facts. The media doesn't report about every single crime case .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate69 Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/jail-for-man-who-co-hosted-party-for-36-during-covid-19-pandemic-where-drugs-were-shared why must have his pix there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, mate69 said: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/jail-for-man-who-co-hosted-party-for-36-during-covid-19-pandemic-where-drugs-were-shared why must have his pix there? Quite decent looking leh ... guys will surely like him ... this type of guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Why oh why Posted June 18 Report Share Posted June 18 6 hours ago, singalion said: The reporting says nothing about ethnic background of the victims. Hence, we shouldn't speculate on this or post any assumption. It totally doesn't matter whether the victims were Indian, Malay, Chinese, Eurasian, Mixed or any other ethnic group because the deed of the police superintendent was inappropriate in all cases. I just find his audacity unbelievable, especially when he appears to be high functioning. Unless, he is a total klutz who climbed to his position with connection/money, etc. I find his actions deeply bewildering! So unless it was as I have speculated, or he had became senile at that age, even before retirement, it doesn't make sense at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Why oh why Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 I mean, why would the superintendent be convinced that his victims wouldn't report on him or people wouldn't believe their stories or investigate into those police reports? Did he have the mistaken conviction his superintendent position was high enough to protect him from the consequences and repercussions of his sexual assaults and preying on nsf victims? Nation party being held at Sentosa diluted his idea of the boundaries of enforced (sexual assault/molest) and not actively enforced (377A) laws? Of all people, he should know the law and crime and punishments very well! His mind was obviously unsound/weak/damaged/illogical, and he could be the superintendent of spf for so many years. It's like having a klutz PM who is having clear misunderstandings and delusions about his job repeatedly acting upon those misguilded beliefs. How did he get promoted to that so-called high position in the first place? Their standard really often that low that nobody else was able to compete with him for that CID superintendent position at that time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Why oh why Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 If I remember correctly, that superintendent whispered to one of his victims he like or love him before he touched him there. Yucks! Just by saying those words doesn't mean he can transcend all boundaries to touch his juniors inappropriately, and repeatedly! He is extremely gross and audacious and deserved his outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Why oh why Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 That superintendent was convicted after he hit 60 and escaped caning. Could they have chosen to prosecute him after so many years have passed to give him that benefit, because he was the superintendent and managed to negotiate and stall for time? Some more that time gays were more accepted and virulent homophobia in Singapore only increased exponentially after like 2007? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest To make him a celebrity Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 8 hours ago, mate69 said: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/jail-for-man-who-co-hosted-party-for-36-during-covid-19-pandemic-where-drugs-were-shared why must have his pix there? To distract the nation from other important issues by encouraging gossiping amongst citizens? Erection is coming soon so they had to make a "stance"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest To me him a celebrity Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, Guest To make him a celebrity said: To distract the nation from other important issues by encouraging gossiping amongst citizens? Erection is coming soon so they had to make a "stance"? To make a "stand", I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 16 hours ago, mate69 said: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/jail-for-man-who-co-hosted-party-for-36-during-covid-19-pandemic-where-drugs-were-shared why must have his pix there? because here they like to shame people like in medieval in Europe... On the other end they want you to donate to that yellow ribbon for the inclusiveness of ex culprits and re-integration to society. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Guess, his job chances with any company in Singapore are quite bleak in future... Lesson: Just try not to commit any crimes and don't take drugs or host drug parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 11 hours ago, Guest Why oh why said: I just find his audacity unbelievable, especially when he appears to be high functioning. Unless, he is a total klutz who climbed to his position with connection/money, etc. I find his actions deeply bewildering! So unless it was as I have speculated, or he had became senile at that age, even before retirement, it doesn't make sense at all! Are you assuming you can climb positions in the public service with connection/ money bribery? Dangerous thoughts. What happened to meritocracy? Surely, he wasn't the spouse of some famous previous office holder... LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 11 hours ago, Guest Why oh why said: I mean, why would the superintendent be convinced that his victims wouldn't report on him or people wouldn't believe their stories or investigate into those police reports? Did he have the mistaken conviction his superintendent position was high enough to protect him from the consequences and repercussions of his sexual assaults and preying on nsf victims? Did you read the stories of all those women around Weinstein in the US? How long did it take for the women to come out and talk about it? Don't also forget the long period until things surfaced with the Catholic Church abuses on boys, men, which date back 40 years or more, where reports made were just ignored by the church, authorities etc etc... Maybe also you spend some effort in reading the full reports as they give plenty of answers to your points: Quote: The victim left the room, feeling shocked and helpless, but did not report the matter because he was concerned that the completion of his NS may be jeopardised if he reported Singh, who was his supervisor and approving leave officer. “(The second victim) felt angry and outraged by the accused’s actions but chose to keep quiet as the accused was his supervisor and senior officer,” the prosecution said. It added that the victim felt “embarrassed, ashamed, and humiliated as he was physically strong yet felt that he allowed the accused to touch him in that manner”. Court documents stated that the police were informed in December 2020 that Singh had allegedly committed the offences against the first victim during the latter’s NS days. DPP Tay also said that there is a “concomitant need” to deter such offences, because victims of such acts would usually experience shame and would be reluctant to step forward to lodge a report, making such acts hard to detect. Quote end. I guess the NSF feared most on their careers and being potentially judged as homosexual or indulging in homosexuality. It is a bit fishy to report on such things. I mean there is backlash and the supervisors won't take it easy. Did you have the courage to report any incident of abuse during your teens/ NSF? There are many reasons why they did not come upfront with what happened. Certainly, the police force may lack some channel to send it reports anonymously or confidentially first. It might also have been an issue between the Army and the police, meaning some administrative hurdles to get complaints from one party to the other, or the second just ignoring it first. I assume something happened in 2020 December, the Superintendent probably got caught on something (toilet cruising, lol - this is mere speculation and just incidentally bumped up my mind haha) and then the police started to research into him. And the first victim came upfront or was interviewed, when the abuse was in the open. We don't know. If you follow frequently such reports then you would see that police investigations take time and the cases are only at the courts some 1 - 5 years later. Such authorities prefer to remain holding a good image to the outside and probably there is always some potential attempts to cover up of things... same as the Churches... Edited June 19 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GUEST Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 On 6/18/2024 at 4:57 PM, Guest Wow said: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/man-jailed-host-drug-party-guests-covid-4418326 2 years one week jail time is deterrent enough? I think previously the ceo drug pharmacy, gay website that dude 5 years or so. I think he will be coming out soon next year or so. believe his jail time is mainly due to the infringement of covid rules, the drug related ones are just taken into consideration. the previous 49-men sentosa drug case, the guys dun even have any jail time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Guest GUEST said: believe his jail time is mainly due to the infringement of covid rules, the drug related ones are just taken into consideration. the previous 49-men sentosa drug case, the guys dun even have any jail time. Please no assumptions or guessing. The previous 49 men Sentosa case might not have been dealt at the courts at all by this time. There have been no further reports in the media. This case here is from 2020 correction 2022, now 4 2 1/2 years later the punishment was decided by the courts, the other case was just last year, which means the guys will be dealt with only by 2026/2027 end of 2025/2026. Probably, it is no fun for the guys on that Sentosa party who were discovered with traces of drugs in their urine as probably their passports have been compounded! = cannot travel out of Singapore. I find it always troublesome if guys here try to paint a picture as if such crimes are not handled by the authorities... and the involved persons run around not being charged. This is false. Note: Corrected the dates, as initially I remembered the Covid sex party to be in 2020 but in fact it was 2022. Edited June 19 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOL Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, singalion said: Please no assumptions or guessing. The previous 49 men Sentosa case might not have been dealt at the courts at all by this time. There have been no further reports in the media. This case here is from 2020, now 4 years later the punishment was decided by the courts, the other case was just last year, which means the guys will be dealt with only by 2026/2027. Probably, it is no fun for the guys on that Sentosa party who were discovered with traces of drugs in their urine as probably their passports have been compounded! = cannot travel out of Singapore. I find it always troublesome if guys here try to paint a picture as if such crimes are not handled by the authorities... and the involved persons run around not being charged. This is false. Huh? The party took place in 2022, what 2020?? You dun even know them, yet wanna act like you know it all LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 8 hours ago, Guest To make him a celebrity said: To distract the nation from other important issues by encouraging gossiping amongst citizens? Erection is coming soon so they had to make a "stance"? There are many other petty things reported here that wouldn't make it into newspapers or prime time tv news in other countries... 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Guest LOL said: Huh? The party took place in 2022, what 2020?? You dun even know them, yet wanna act like you know it all LOL Ok, then in March 2022, court case finalised in June 2024. (I admit my error on the date of that Covid party). It is still more than 2 years later! The Sentosa party case is from August 2023, so outcome of court case probably in November 2025. It might take longer as there are 49 pax involved, so might run into 2026. But still for the Sentosa party people the court hearings have not started yet! Therefore, you can't proclaim here that the involved persons run around without any charges. Edited June 19 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 15 hours ago, Guest Guest said: Quite decent looking leh ... guys will surely like him ... this type of guy. He is gay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 18 hours ago, mate69 said: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/jail-for-man-who-co-hosted-party-for-36-during-covid-19-pandemic-where-drugs-were-shared why must have his pix there? eh he looks so different here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Why oh why Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 4 hours ago, singalion said: There are many other petty things reported here that wouldn't make it into newspapers or prime time tv news in other countries... 🤣 We all know that, right? Government sponsored newspapers full of gossipy news is commonly a strategic part of their agenda to dumb down the citizens, like how the government sponsored channel 8's shows are all so stiltedly dumb and preachy on Victorian era values. Health information aside, they cannot even air all the intelligent dialogues and conversations on channel 8, in case citizens become more intelligent and engage in real conversations and debates that they are totally in fear of that could jeopardise and topple their imperial dynasty. Their insecurity stems from their power hunger and desperate vice-like grip on that power. 5 hours ago, singalion said: Did you read the stories of all those women around Weinstein in the US? How long did it take for the women to come out and talk about it? Don't also forget the long period until things surfaced with the Catholic Church abuses on boys, men, which date back 40 years or more, where reports made were just ignored by the church, authorities etc etc... Maybe also you spend some effort in reading the full reports as they give plenty of answers to your points: Quote: The victim left the room, feeling shocked and helpless, but did not report the matter because he was concerned that the completion of his NS may be jeopardised if he reported Singh, who was his supervisor and approving leave officer. “(The second victim) felt angry and outraged by the accused’s actions but chose to keep quiet as the accused was his supervisor and senior officer,” the prosecution said. It added that the victim felt “embarrassed, ashamed, and humiliated as he was physically strong yet felt that he allowed the accused to touch him in that manner”. Court documents stated that the police were informed in December 2020 that Singh had allegedly committed the offences against the first victim during the latter’s NS days. DPP Tay also said that there is a “concomitant need” to deter such offences, because victims of such acts would usually experience shame and would be reluctant to step forward to lodge a report, making such acts hard to detect. Quote end. I guess the NSF feared most on their careers and being potentially judged as homosexual or indulging in homosexuality. It is a bit fishy to report on such things. I mean there is backlash and the supervisors won't take it easy. Did you have the courage to report any incident of abuse during your teens/ NSF? There are many reasons why they did not come upfront with what happened. Certainly, the police force may lack some channel to send it reports anonymously or confidentially first. It might also have been an issue between the Army and the police, meaning some administrative hurdles to get complaints from one party to the other, or the second just ignoring it first. I assume something happened in 2020 December, the Superintendent probably got caught on something (toilet cruising, lol - this is mere speculation and just incidentally bumped up my mind haha) and then the police started to research into him. And the first victim came upfront or was interviewed, when the abuse was in the open. We don't know. If you follow frequently such reports then you would see that police investigations take time and the cases are only at the courts some 1 - 5 years later. Such authorities prefer to remain holding a good image to the outside and probably there is always some potential attempts to cover up of things... same as the Churches... "Court documents stated that the police were informed in December 2020 that Singh had allegedly committed the offences against the first victim during the latter’s NS days" Words and dates can easily be manipulated by spf and sph. Based on their past track record, I do not trust this manipulative and control freak government, all their ministries and their state organs, with their most important star player being their propaganda mouthpiece, the local media, period. 5 hours ago, singalion said: Are you assuming you can climb positions in the public service with connection/ money bribery? Dangerous thoughts. What happened to meritocracy? Surely, he wasn't the spouse of some famous previous office holder... LOL. Among the few with the required years of experience and perhaps book-smart criteria, I think they just let whoever is the dumbest (no street smarts or any wisdom, but a route learner or mere bookworm) or most pliant/weakest personality (people with a pious and god-fearing persona are often old-school instruction takers who are easier to control and manipulate by the powers up there) take the superintendent position. Leadership is not a prerequisite or strong suit among leaders in government organisations here. Most of them only stood out as parrots and order/instruction takers. That is sadly the single most important criteria in this so-called meritocracy we have here - having to be unquestioning instruction takers and unyielding rule followers. That explains the incredible amount of wayang and responsibility shirking behaviours among so-called leaders and HODs in government organisations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Guest Why oh why said: We all know that, right? Government sponsored newspapers full of gossipy news is commonly a strategic part of their agenda to dumb down the citizens, like how the government sponsored channel 8's shows are all so stiltedly dumb and preachy on Victorian era values. Health information aside, they cannot even air all the intelligent dialogues and conversations on channel 8, in case citizens become more intelligent and engage in real conversations and debates that they are totally in fear of that could jeopardise and topple their imperial dynasty. Their insecurity stems from their power hunger and desperate vice-like grip on that power. "Court documents stated that the police were informed in December 2020 that Singh had allegedly committed the offences against the first victim during the latter’s NS days" Words and dates can easily be manipulated by spf and sph. Based on their past track record, I do not trust this manipulative and control freak government, all their ministries and their state organs, with their most important star player being their propaganda mouthpiece, the local media, period. Among the few with the required years of experience and perhaps book-smart criteria, I think they just let whoever is the dumbest (no street smarts or any wisdom, but a route learner or mere bookworm) or most pliant/weakest personality (people with a pious and god-fearing persona are often old-school instruction takers who are easier to control and manipulate by the powers up there) take the superintendent position. Leadership is not a prerequisite or strong suit among leaders in government organisations here. Most of them only stood out as parrots and order/instruction takers. That is sadly the single most important criteria in this so-called meritocracy we have here - having to be unquestioning instruction takers and unyielding rule followers. That explains the incredible amount of wayang and responsibility shirking behaviours among so-called leaders and HODs in government organisations. I agree in most parts. Any government doesn't like the police force or military be tainted in a bad colour. Probably the superintendent's deeds couldn't be hidden any longer. But nonwithstanding, the government is in voter's hand...People here fear their HDB value will drop if the government party loses an election... etc etc... Lately, SPF is involved in many negative in in incidents. Quote: former police officer Koh Kian Tiong (“Koh”) (许建忠, 51-year-old male Singaporean) was charged in Court with corruption offences involving the obtaining or accepting of bribes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Huh Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 14 hours ago, singalion said: Ok, then in March 2022, court case finalised in June 2024. (I admit my error on the date of that Covid party). It is still more than 2 years later! The Sentosa party case is from August 2023, so outcome of court case probably in November 2025. It might take longer as there are 49 pax involved, so might run into 2026. But still for the Sentosa party people the court hearings have not started yet! Therefore, you can't proclaim here that the involved persons run around without any charges. omg pls stop spreading fake news. the host of the 49 men sentosa case already completed his 6 mths rehab recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Why oh why Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 7 hours ago, singalion said: I agree in most parts. Any government doesn't like the police force or military be tainted in a bad colour. Probably the superintendent's deeds couldn't be hidden any longer. But nonwithstanding, the government is in voter's hand...People here fear their HDB value will drop if the government party loses an election... etc etc... Lately, SPF is involved in many negative in in incidents. Quote: former police officer Koh Kian Tiong (“Koh”) (许建忠, 51-year-old male Singaporean) was charged in Court with corruption offences involving the obtaining or accepting of bribes... This is not surprising at all! I have also noticed in recent years many police officers have been charged in court for breaking all kinds of laws. It is much harder now to cover up all these cases when they have been increasing exponentially, I guess? Spf has recently admitted to having a shortage of manpower and their officers are stressed out from the job that doesnt even pay well. We all know that spf pays peanuts and naturally that will only attract all the monkeys from the forests. You know, all the riff-raffs who may otherwise take drugs, join gangs, get into fights and end up in prison if they can't get a job - their entry requirement is only O levels and ITE certification. From there they can rise up the ranks by staying in the job for years - no other better career options available to them - and stand out by not being too smart or clever but the most pliant and effective instruction/order taking personality. For that, you just need some very basic education and an OCD level of following and sticking to instructions and orders. So as you can imagine, many of those officers, as they grow older, will fail to rise up the ranks and be stuck in very mundane and basic roles of those front line officers, who still need to shuffle around to attend emergency calls and risk their health and lives at that age. These people will learn about all the vices from the cases they handle daily and will also start breaking the law sooner or later, when they get stressed or lack money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Why oh why Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 17 hours ago, singalion said: Did you read the stories of all those women around Weinstein in the US? How long did it take for the women to come out and talk about it? Don't also forget the long period until things surfaced with the Catholic Church abuses on boys, men, which date back 40 years or more, where reports made were just ignored by the church, authorities etc etc... Maybe also you spend some effort in reading the full reports as they give plenty of answers to your points: Quote: The victim left the room, feeling shocked and helpless, but did not report the matter because he was concerned that the completion of his NS may be jeopardised if he reported Singh, who was his supervisor and approving leave officer. “(The second victim) felt angry and outraged by the accused’s actions but chose to keep quiet as the accused was his supervisor and senior officer,” the prosecution said. It added that the victim felt “embarrassed, ashamed, and humiliated as he was physically strong yet felt that he allowed the accused to touch him in that manner”. Court documents stated that the police were informed in December 2020 that Singh had allegedly committed the offences against the first victim during the latter’s NS days. DPP Tay also said that there is a “concomitant need” to deter such offences, because victims of such acts would usually experience shame and would be reluctant to step forward to lodge a report, making such acts hard to detect. Quote end. I guess the NSF feared most on their careers and being potentially judged as homosexual or indulging in homosexuality. It is a bit fishy to report on such things. I mean there is backlash and the supervisors won't take it easy. Did you have the courage to report any incident of abuse during your teens/ NSF? There are many reasons why they did not come upfront with what happened. Certainly, the police force may lack some channel to send it reports anonymously or confidentially first. It might also have been an issue between the Army and the police, meaning some administrative hurdles to get complaints from one party to the other, or the second just ignoring it first. I assume something happened in 2020 December, the Superintendent probably got caught on something (toilet cruising, lol - this is mere speculation and just incidentally bumped up my mind haha) and then the police started to research into him. And the first victim came upfront or was interviewed, when the abuse was in the open. We don't know. If you follow frequently such reports then you would see that police investigations take time and the cases are only at the courts some 1 - 5 years later. Such authorities prefer to remain holding a good image to the outside and probably there is always some potential attempts to cover up of things... same as the Churches... I agree on the existing red tape, OB markers and beauracacies that would and could both naturally and be intentionally propped up to prevent such sensitive reports on a high ranking officer from being successfully passed, through all the complicated layers and different departments to the right person(s) in charge. And even if it was passed successfully, they may also decide to cover it up for their own benefit and purposes. Oh no, I really think we have that problemo here! Agree many men also recoy at the idea of being viewed as the victim of a sexual crime commited by other men, that they will man up and keep it to themselves until their graves. 🤣 Yeah they were also afraid of being viewed or suspected to be a homosexual too, still quite taboo to come out or be viewed as one in the spf, where they may be marked as tainted and likely end any good career prospects for them there. It will be really very very unlucky to be under such a superior then! As a nsf, they likely did not have the experience and maturity to process what had happened and were probably traumatised and became too fearful and overwhelmed to do anything. Same as the Weinstein and catholic church cases. These are the results of a conservative culture in common amongst commonwealth nations, the United States and the Catholic Church. American culture is primarily god-fearing conservative, contrary to what they often show to the world in their entertainment and Hollywood shows. All the fiercest and most virulent evangelical tribes that roamed and are roaming this world were started and exported from there. Too much appearance to upkeep, too much face, moral authority (and power) to lose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 8 hours ago, Guest Huh said: omg pls stop spreading fake news. the host of the 49 men sentosa case already completed his 6 mths rehab recently. You have been trying to play this down on so many occasions until the Mods closed the other threat. You think when the other guy recently hosting a drug sex party got a jail term, then the host of the Sentosa party with more people involved goes scot free and is just doing a rehab? You must be joking. You can try to tell this your granny, but not us. We all know what will happen, just waiting for the hosts to be up in the news sooner or later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Know nothing Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 11 hours ago, Guest Huh said: omg pls stop spreading fake news. the host of the 49 men sentosa case already completed his 6 mths rehab recently. 2 hours ago, singalion said: You have been trying to play this down on so many occasions until the Mods closed the other threat. You think when the other guy recently hosting a drug sex party got a jail term, then the host of the Sentosa party with more people involved goes scot free and is just doing a rehab? You must be joking. You can try to tell this your granny, but not us. We all know what will happen, just waiting for the hosts to be up in the news sooner or later... it’s quite amazing how free @singalion is to post so much crap about topics he knows nothing about. @singalion - go talk to your granny because on this topic (as so many others), you are 100% wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 (edited) As usual Guests can claim a lot here. But without offering any evidence it's simply worthless! In 3 to 18 months the media reports will contradict your claims. Those guys not having consumed drugs or not having been caught with drugs in their urine etc may get off with a warning and no follow up in the courts but surely not the hosts! And in your other post you contradict yourself already as you say the host is just out of rehab... Why would the Singapore courts place a jail term to the drug party host in the recent case but wouldn't charge in a similar case with more people involved and a higher amount of drugs confiscated? It doesn't make sense. It bears every logic. In that case if your point had any value the police hadn't needed to raid the Sentosa party at all... Go on and tell your fairy tales... Edited June 20 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Know nothing Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 7 hours ago, singalion said: As usual Guests can claim a lot here. But without offering any evidence it's simply worthless! In 3 to 18 months the media reports will contradict your claims. Those guys not having consumed drugs or not having been caught with drugs in their urine etc may get off with a warning and no follow up in the courts but surely not the hosts! And in your other post you contradict yourself already as you say the host is just out of rehab... Why would the Singapore courts place a jail term to the drug party host in the recent case but wouldn't charge in a similar case with more people involved and a higher amount of drugs confiscated? It doesn't make sense. It bears every logic. In that case if your point had any value the police hadn't needed to raid the Sentosa party at all... Go on and tell your fairy tales... oh dear - you do realise there is more than one guest telling you that you know nothing? anyway, think what you like…. It doesn’t really matter what you believe but just be prepared for people to call you out when you are talking rubbish and where they have actual knowledge compared to your own theories and Google searches. one other idea is for you to get out and meet and talk to people irl - once you get out from behind your keyboard, you will find that the Singapore scene is very small and that lots of people know what is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Weird la Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 On 6/19/2024 at 7:39 PM, Guest GUEST said: believe his jail time is mainly due to the infringement of covid rules, the drug related ones are just taken into consideration. the previous 49-men sentosa drug case, the guys dun even have any jail time. Siao la. If its covid rules. Then those who didn't social distance. Aka guest of the party should all go jail too. Doesn't make sense. Its clearly just targeted at the host. Never even highlight or mention those guests who took drugs what are their pubishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, Guest Weird la said: Siao la. If its covid rules. Then those who didn't social distance. Aka guest of the party should all go jail too. Doesn't make sense. Its clearly just targeted at the host. Never even highlight or mention those guests who took drugs what are their pubishment. You search the closed thread on the Sentosa party. I explained on the treatment. For first timers there is a last chance "punishment" to get off from drugs without receiving a jail term, but with "t & c's". If they follow the regime and don't get tested on drugs on their regular urine tests, they're off the hook. But the hosts will surely receive a jail term, as they violated several sections on drug crimes. Just a matter of time until the news will be in the media once the court cases are resolved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I think Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Maybe if some of the party attendees did not attend the party with the intention to take drugs but became first time offenders, all will be given stern warnings? Because how do you determine each person's intention in attending that party? They may not have been informed there will be drugs and thought it would be a normal gathering with drinks and dancing, so tagged along with their friends and did not know who the host is or what kind of party it is, but gave in to temptation, curiosity and peer pressure after getting high from alcohol and dancing? How do you prove their awareness of drugs availability and intention in attending the party in the first place? There are so many of them. Drinks mixed with drugs were passed around. How do you prove everyone who drank those were aware there were drugs in them? Many of them may have a clean criminal record, are highly educated, in good jobs with great career prospects. I think they will take some time to decide whether they or who will be charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOL Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 22 hours ago, Guest Know nothing said: it’s quite amazing how free @singalion is to post so much crap about topics he knows nothing about. @singalion - go talk to your granny because on this topic (as so many others), you are 100% wrong. 10 hours ago, Guest Know nothing said: oh dear - you do realise there is more than one guest telling you that you know nothing? anyway, think what you like…. It doesn’t really matter what you believe but just be prepared for people to call you out when you are talking rubbish and where they have actual knowledge compared to your own theories and Google searches. one other idea is for you to get out and meet and talk to people irl - once you get out from behind your keyboard, you will find that the Singapore scene is very small and that lots of people know what is happening. Exactly, from @singalion posts, you can tell he knows nothing. if i have no knowledge of a topic, i will just keep quiet and not anyhow post rubbish. this f**king retard knows nuts, knows none of the guys (its obvious) but yet wanna act like he knows it all. do us a favour and just stfu pls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 (edited) 11 hours ago, Guest I think said: Maybe if some of the party attendees did not attend the party with the intention to take drugs but became first time offenders, all will be given stern warnings? Because how do you determine each person's intention in attending that party? They may not have been informed there will be drugs and thought it would be a normal gathering with drinks and dancing, so tagged along with their friends and did not know who the host is or what kind of party it is, but gave in to temptation, curiosity and peer pressure after getting high from alcohol and dancing? How do you prove their awareness of drugs availability and intention in attending the party in the first place? There are so many of them. Drinks mixed with drugs were passed around. How do you prove everyone who drank those were aware there were drugs in them? Many of them may have a clean criminal record, are highly educated, in good jobs with great career prospects. I think they will take some time to decide whether they or who will be charged. The urine test or others test will determine whether the attendants took drugs or not. There will be only prosecution if drugs were found in the urine. Those who attended but for whom the outcome of the urine test confirms they didn't take drugs won't be charged. Attending a sex orgy party (without taking drugs) is not a crime. Awareness that drugs will be consumed might be present depending on the invitation, flyers or message exchange with the hosts or other participants. The media reports indicated that there was an invite. I m sure the CNB and police knows the relevant buzz word indicating drugs. If the defence will work that attendants weren't aware on drug consumption or drinks were drug laced without their knowledge has to be seen. That's what the science says: In general, the detection time is longest in hair, followed by urine and oral fluid. Drugs in hair may be detectable for up to 90 days, whereas drugs in urine are generally detectable for one to seven days (or longer in chronic users) Surely, the authories will do various tests on the suspects... Edited June 21 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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