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AlexAu/YawningBread posted the 2nd part of his article. Please go read it at his blog.

While there, look at the reader's comment for the 1st and 2nd part of the article.

The 2 article are at:

Part 1: yawningbread.wordpress.com/2010/07/13/after-sixteen-years-police-resort-to-entrapment-again/

Part 2: yawningbread.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/policing-propriety-as-an-abuse-of-human-rights/

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This is the part that is the issue .... explains how the police decoy in such instances could be said to have given consent (even if non-verbal) to be approached.

It appears to be okay for the police to lie. I feel that It is unethical, that it is unfair.

And I've always wondered what sort of person of character (police) would take on such a convincing role to want to lie, pretend, deceive, bluff another human being.

Are they really proud of what they do? Do they go to bed each night saying:" YES! I looked and acted like a very convincing cruiser and created my own crime to catch. I'm one hell of a good lier" Can't help but wonder if these policemen are gay themselves and are in denial.

Don't get me wrong. I do NOT condone public exposure (both gay and heterosexuals). I believe people need to be better behaved and there needs to be some self control but doing it this way isn't the best. It doesn't get my respect.

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"Life it too short to be small"

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Hi All,

I can only say this from personal experience (since I am not a doctor), but I was already having sexual fantasies at the age of eight.

This sounds incredibly young, but when you think about it, some people do start puberty as young as that age.

Once puberty starts, hormones starts to go wild in the body.

Anyway, there are many interesting thing to note about age of consent from different culture. For example, Spain used to have it at 14, until they changed it to 16. Even younger was the age of consent in Iran for girls to be married without parental consent (and by extension, legal to have sex) was 9, until they changed it to 13 in 2002. Pederasty was practiced by several cultures legally, such as the Greeks or Japanese, until the advent of the modern law.

Thus, as we all can see, different cultures, at different times, have different ideas of sexuality for what we think of as children.

In Singapore, the age of consent is 16, but biologically speaking, humans are in their breeding prime in our teen years, around 13-19 years old, if I am not mistakened. Therefore, it is reasonable for a 9 year old to have sexual fantasies.

Nonetheless, despite my rantings, I do not condone sex with people under the age of consent, not out of moral or ethical reasons, but simply out of legal reasons.

Just my two cents worth.

zanfrane

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what if both the persons involved are below 16 yrs old? would there be any problem with the law?

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Scary but its true, young boys can initiate adults into having sex.

I remember several years back I had the opportunity to do a documentary short-film about a Library. I was the presenter and the "father" of a ten-year old boy actor.

During the two days of filming, the young boy stood so close as to have body contact and kept on touching my pants, the groin area, the bums and even try to put his hand into my trouser pocket (I wore baggy pleated pants). Off-course, I pushed his hands away as I didn't want any legal problems and am not interested in youngsters, He was very intelligent and knew what he did was not right and he only did it when the crew and his mother were not watching.

It seems that some young people (below ten) already knew quite a bit about sex and can derive pleasure from it.

I think we adults have to be very careful as sometimes we can be carried-away and regret badly later.

Further more, there are some young boys who grew up with their single mother and desperately want to play-play with their

"father". More divorces means more boys "missing" their fathers". So be very careful.

I agree that some boys need fatherly love. Thats why they get attracted to fatherly figures or to those young fathers whose children are aged about their age. When they see these fathers so close to their children, they yearn for such close contact with these "Fathers". Hence, I belive thats the reason why the actor also derived pleasure from having such close body contact with you.

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As a teacher for many years, yes there were and still are many indecent proposals by students. Not only from girls but now from boys. Cant really help because they, the students look upon us as their surrogate fathers.

They think their fathers aint half as good as us... ok, gay teachers are more presentable in our deportment and we tend to work very much harder than our married counterparts. And we are more willing to listen to their issues...

But the line is always drawn, dont touch them and never allow them to touch you.

Actually for me, it is much easier as(ahem) my sexual preference is more likely to be their daddies' age.

Avoid staying in the same room with a student.. you never know what happens next!

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Your are very blessed with this daddies' preference.

Hopefully this chapter serve as a warning to all those with pedophiliac preference.

But the line is always drawn, dont touch them and never allow them to touch you.

Actually for me, it is much easier as(ahem) my sexual preference is more likely to be their daddies' age.

Avoid staying in the same room with a student.. you never know what happens next!

鍾意就好,理佢男定女

 

never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want.

 

结缘不结

不解缘

 

After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say.

 

看穿不说穿

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Hopefully this chapter serve as a warning to all those with pedophiliac preference.

what's the opposite of "pedophiliac preference"

maybe "pekophiliac preference"?

i'm afflicted with pekophiliac tendancies for as young as i can remember.

i always want to touch ah pek, especially those ah pek that looks like ee peng liang.

i've touched my father, my uncle, my neighbours, my teachers, my principals, strangers in hong lim park, strangers in sauna, strangers sleeping....

when i am ah pek myself in years to come, i'll probably enjoy touching myself.

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First of all, I always feel these kids are sway-sway only uh.

I'm sure there's plenty in BW too.

fxxking kids with nothing better to do.

U see them u better run the other way, unless u like to stay in a prison for a few years.

Key words, Svengali, Jail-bait.

Tution Teachers Bewear :

Jail, caning for sex with boy

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http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_552764.html

On Monday, the tutor, who cannot be not named to protect the identity of the boy, was sentenced to six year's jail and six strokes of the cane.

THE boy was nine when he started talking about sex with his tutor.

During a tuition session in his bedroom, the boy told the 36-year-old man that he was curious about men's genitals.

Two months later, when his tutor went to the toilet, the boy followed, pushing the door open to enter the toilet. He initiated sex with the man, who then allowed the boy to perform oral sex on him. This was repeated four more times over the next three months.

On Monday, the tutor, who cannot be not named to protect the identity of the boy, was sentenced to six year's jail and six strokes of the cane.

However, in sentencing, High Court judge Kan Ting Chiu said this case was different from the typical sex abuse case in which the adult offender is the one who initiates the sex act. 'One peculiar fact is that the boy is the initiator,' said the judge.

Justice Kan sentenced him to three years' jail and three strokes of the cane on each of the two charges he had pleaded guilty to, with the two terms to run consecutively.

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Gay portal CEO and founder charged in court with drug possession

By Ong Dai Lin and Sharon See | Posted: 10 September 2010 0024 hrs

SINGAPORE : Chief executive and founder of a gay web portal, Stuart Koe was charged in court for drug possession on Wednesday.

The 38-year-old Singaporean was charged with possessing 0.01 gramme of methamphetamine and utensils used in drug consumption.

The drug and items were found in a flat in Holland Avenue on May 27 this year.

For these charges, he faces a combined jail term of up to 13 years, or a maximum fine of $30,000, or both.

Koe could not be contacted for comments. - CNA /ls

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Gay Singaporean charged over sex act in public toilet

Guyz, If u wanna to do it, do it safely.. Pity the guy... :(

By Agence France-Presse, Updated: 09/09/2010

Gay Singaporean charged over sex act in public toilet

A Singaporean gay man was charged Thursday with having oral sex in a public toilet, in breach of the city-state's ban on sexual acts between men.

Tan Eng Hong, 47, is alleged to have committed the offence in March inside the toilet cubicle of a popular shopping mall in the Singapore's business and shopping district.

Homosexuality is not illegal in Singapore, but sex between men is criminalised under the penal code, despite amendments in 2007 which legalised oral and anal sex for heterosexual couples.

The code encompasses "any act of gross indecency" and carries a sentence of up to two years in jail, according to the attorney general's website.

Recent data on the number of people convicted under the code was not immediately available, but figures given by Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng in a parliamentary reply in 2007 showed 185 people were convicted between 1997-2006.

Tan was released on a bail of 8,000 Singapore dollars (5,960 US dollars) after his case was adjourned to September 27.

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I quoted the article here as the link may expire in future.

Hendry Tan

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Oh no, another bad name for PLU. Just curious, if they are inside the toilet and if cubicle is closed, how to get caught? Don't tell me another set up? Maybe it is Taka they are referring to. Taka toilet can be quite quiet.

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Gay portal CEO and founder charged in court with drug possession

By Channel NewsAsia, Updated: 10/09/2010

SINGAPORE : Chief executive and founder of a gay web portal, Stuart Koe was charged in court for drug possession on Wednesday.

The 38—year—old Singaporean was charged with possessing 0.01 gramme of methamphetamine and utensils used in drug consumption.

The drug and items were found in a flat in Holland Avenue on May 27 this year.

For these charges, he faces a combined jail term of up to 13 years, or a maximum fine of $30,000, or both.

Koe could not be contacted for comments. — CNA /ls

http://news.xin.msn.com/en/singapore/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4325193

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Desperation can only lead to embarassment, not only to himself but the whole gay community. I seriously think that this cruising in toilet shit (all puns intended!) is getting out of hand. Get a room lah.

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Habis Leow , That guy has a degree in pharmacy from the u.s. , he is doctorate holder , and many years back he was featured in the newspaper as an up and coming ( cumming) entrepreneur who is able to tap into the pink market , earning pink dollars in a legitimate way.

there were all gay cruises to no where, once a year gay parties on the eve of National day of little red dot that sort of rub the authorities in all the wrong buttons.

He was an Aids prevention spokes person at one stage and also very out abd loud .

Now he is finished, no even the U.S. will accept him now if he ever applies for a residency, habis utterly habis.

This is what happens when one is too flushed with cash and associate with whites , you have a sense of invinsibilty but it all goes down the drain

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if u r referring to SK, I find his face quite appealing too, not to mention his hot bod.

Anw, whos Habis Leow, havent heard of this name totally at all. What happened to him? Y is he finished?

鍾意就好,理佢男定女

 

never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want.

 

结缘不结

不解缘

 

After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say.

 

看穿不说穿

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Unfortunately this is another case of drug misuse/abuse by a prominent figure.

SK, I may not have known you personally, please take this as a lesson to learn.

I know it is sometimes, too hard to fight the temptations.

Also be mindful of the "becah-lobang" friends around you... dont reveal too much to others...

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Gay portal CEO and founder charged in court with drug possession

The 38-year-old Singaporean was charged with possessing 0.01 gramme of methamphetamine and utensils used in drug consumption.

The drug and items were found in a flat in Holland Avenue on May 27 this year.

0.01 gram so small. This law is so dangerous. Someone can easily sabo you by rubbing something on your clothes etc.

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very difficult to be squicky clean in his kind of job...etc I think he is lucky to be caught with small amount. I am sure during other events or "interesting" parties, can find more...etc So let's hope it is a lesson learned.

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very difficult to be squicky clean in his kind of job...etc I think he is lucky to be caught with small amount. I am sure during other events or "interesting" parties, can find more...etc So let's hope it is a lesson learned.

I find it very hard to understand what you mean by squicky clean in his kind of job.

You organize gay parties, gay cruises, launch a gay website, speak for gay rights, do not mean you need to do chem youself.

Unless you believe homosexuality and drugs are inseparable.

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I find it very hard to understand what you mean by squicky clean in his kind of job.

You organize gay parties, gay cruises, launch a gay website, speak for gay rights, do not mean you need to do chem youself.

Unless you believe homosexuality and drugs are inseparable.

That's why cant get it clean, as in society Gay man = not clean even some still beleive stereotype AIDS started from homosex acts (This cant be denied, some still think that)

And U got Penal Code ... lucky he was just charged of drug, not related with Penal Code

Wow Many directly mentioned name "SK" will it be judgment by public before trial happened here

(Considering his reputation in this forum is bad)

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Not totally relevant but it seems CNA changed the heading and updated Stuart Koe's reply to this incident.

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Lifestyle portal CEO and founder charged in court with drug possession

By Ong Dai Lin | Posted: 10 September 2010 0024 hrs

SINGAPORE: Chief executive and founder of lifestyle portal Fridae.com, Dr Stuart Koe, was charged in court on Wednesday with possessing 0.01 gram of methamphetamine.

The 38-year-old Singaporean was also charged with possessing utensils used in drug consumption like a plastic dropper and an empty straw that was stained with methamphetamine.

The drug and utensils were found in a flat in Holland Avenue on May 27 at 12.55am.

Dr Koe faces a jail term of up to 10 years or a maximum fine of $20,000 or both on the charge of drug possession.

On the other charge, he can be jailed up to three years or fined up to $10,000 or both.

Dr Koe told the court that he will claim trial and will be engaging a lawyer.

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Since he will be engaging a lawyer to defend himself, it might be fair to hear his side of the story before jumping to baseless conclusions. But, bottomline - guys, stay away from drugs.

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if u r referring to SK, I find his face quite appealing too, not to mention his hot bod.

Anw, whos Habis Leow, havent heard of this name totally at all. What happened to him? Y is he finished?

Habis Leow means finished or goner. not a real person's name! (:

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Hey regardless.

I thought MMLEE AND PMLEE said they law would still remain in the books but it would not be enforced?

oh well. now i'm annoyed, frustrated and more a gay activist.

When you're caught red-handed, no one can save you.

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why only 1 men get charged?

what about the other guy?

takes two men for suck cock to actually happen, isn't it?

is the suckee or the sucker more guilty?

Possible scenario - Both are gay, and inside cubicle. Security Guard(assuming only 1 doing patrol)bang on cubicle door, 1 guy open door push away security guard and make a dash out of the toilet, the 2nd one probably still in shock, or stunned, so lan lan kana cornered inside the cubicle and get caught. Or, 1st guy open door, push away security guard(but not hard enough), guard grab hold of him, 2nd guy, seize the opportunity to run away while the 1st guy struggle with the guard.

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Habis Leow means finished or goner. not a real person's name! (:

Thanks. Silly me.

鍾意就好,理佢男定女

 

never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want.

 

结缘不结

不解缘

 

After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say.

 

看穿不说穿

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The thing is, he's rich. Reasonably good looking. Educated. Why get involved with chem?

Especially since he's championing such a contentious issue. Obviously, he hasn't come to terms with some things.

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I believe they meant in the privacy of your locked closed doors (at home), not in the public.

Hey regardless.

I thought MMLEE AND PMLEE said they law would still remain in the books but it would not be enforced?

oh well. now i'm annoyed, frustrated and more a gay activist.

鍾意就好,理佢男定女

 

never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want.

 

结缘不结

不解缘

 

After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say.

 

看穿不说穿

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Once it is reported in news, 99 percent guilty. Caught in his house at 12 midnite plus...etc most likely got tip off by someone otherwise must be having some "gathering". Some people are so rich that they get too bored in life so seek thrill just like US movie stars or singers..etc You seldom see poor people taking drugs but mostly help to peddle.

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it must have been a tip-off. but even if so, the police wouldn't just go to his house for a raid straight away. he must have been under the watcheye of the authority for quite a while.

also note that they conducted a raid on may this year, meaning it has happened for quite a while already.

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Hey regardless.

I thought MMLEE AND PMLEE said they law would still remain in the books but it would not be enforced?

oh well. now i'm annoyed, frustrated and more a gay activist.

What they said was that if consenting gay adults (above 18) do their "thing" in private, the government will not be bothered.

HOWEVER, if an underage person is involved, or is the "act" is done in a public place, eg. shopping centre or public pool toilets, parks etc, then the law can be used against them.

Put simply, have sex in your home, gay saunas or transit hotels and no one care. Where else, having sex in public places, whether you are gay or straight is unlawful.

So please, if you want to be a gay activist, by all means go ahead. But at least know what you are actually bothered about.

:hat:

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