Singapore Local Gay News [LGBT Related News] (Compiled)

[Guest gMoh]

Today also a topic about a gay teacher molested his pupil. What kind of issues have the PLUs created lately ... :swear:

[deceptiveeyes.deceivingminds]

I think its cases of "coincidence" that we are seeing reports on some gays stepping beyond the line of the law...

Lets hope it would not turn out to be another one of those platform for government or some "self-righteous" person out there to use the incidents as bashing board and lashing out at all gays.

Day-in-day-out, there are always reports on molestation and crimes committed by straight men and no one would really bother but if its committed by gays, it would just catch fire like a hot summer day on a stack of hay. I really detest the low-down approach if any agency were to use this to springboard another lashing out at us.

[Guest Anti Molester]

This hopeless idoit deserve the punishment.

What a disgrace. :swear:

[Guest Guest]

This is not about gay per se but a case of paedophile. I applaud the press for publishing this and I hope he gets the worst punishment and the boy sues him to the fullest extent of the law.

[deceptiveeyes.deceivingminds]

I agreed totally any wrongdoer ought to be punished.

Perhaps I ought to write clearly that I'm hoping these recent non-related incidents (a paedophile who happens to be gay and a drug-user who happens to be gay and a doctor) would never be chanced upon by some to stir up bad vibes for the gay community.

[worldangel]

I also agreed this issue was 'coincidence' too, if we look back for the past 3 weeks, 3 headlines pop-up, first the Adrian contracted HIV in orgy sex in gay sauna, then the doctor was about to have orgy in hotel and caught with some 'ice' with him and then the latest a gay teacher molested his student.

It was also reported that the teacher was accused for 9 charges, not sure what all those about .... ?? You might read the report ....

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13 June 2006

TEACHER ACCUSED OF MOLESTATION (The Straits Times)

A primary school teacher was yesterday charged with molesting a 14-year-old student and exposing himself to him two years ago.

The 38-year-old man is said to have kissed and hugged the boy at the school premises in 2004. He was also accused of exposing himself and masturbating in front of the boy at a flat. If convicted, he faces two years' jail, a fine or canning, or any two such punishments.

WITNESS BREAKS DOWN IN COURT

A youth broke down while giving evidence about a massage that teacher William Ding Chun Fong gave him two years ago.

The 16-year-old said he was too scared to do anything when Ding massaged his back, moving down to his buttocks, then his scalp and eventually his groin. He said he could not bear it and left, telling Ding he needed to go to the toilet.

The student broke down on the witness stand at this point and was allowed to leave the courtroom for a while to compose himself.

The incident he told the court about was, however, not part of the nine charges Ding, 34, has claimed trial to. The case continues.

[Lungker]

Read about a 46 years old scout leader in New york City sentenced to 20 years in prison for molesting two young scouts under his charge.

And that's why we have age restrictions here in this forum.

Link

[Guest Guest_guest]

I do not agree with the two cases are merely "by coincidence", a gay person usually live with various degree of sex fantasy, may constantly seeking promiscuous relationship with others,i.e. ONS. But, at the same, they need to appear straight to their family and colleagues member. A cause of their double personality in order to conceal the gayness.

Having splite personality always cause someone to do stupid acts.

[deceptiveeyes.deceivingminds]

The coincidence was referring to both incidents happening and being reported (days in-between) and not about the individual.

I do not agree with the two cases are merely "by coincidence",a gay person usually live with various degree of sex fantasy, may constantly seeking promiscuous relationship with others,i.e. ONS. But, at the same, they need to appear straight to their family and colleagues member. A cause of their double personality in order to conceal the gayness.

Having splite personality always cause someone to do stupid acts.

Does this constitute as split personality?

I do have sexual fantasies and at the same time I am seen to be a heterosexual man by colleagues and friends but I do not find that to be an issue of split personality because I didn't have to put on a false front or "acting straight" for my behaviour and mannerism is no different from that of a heterosexual man. And I see no reason to announce to anyone I'm gay too. What I do behind closed doors or in bed is of nobody's business.

That's unless anyone want to do something with me and I do not know....ahah

:whistle:

[Guest Guest_guest]

CNB officers is not wrong to execrise entrapment in order to flush out drug vendors and buyers using int

Yeo's chat room profiles happened to fix CNB targets of their operation.

ernet as their platform. I believe, Yeo must be in sometime attract CNB attension to his habit of consuming drug and make him a target for entrapment.

CNB may not aware of Yeo is a doctor that Yeo will pay for an excessively high penalty of his mis-conduct as a doctor beside jail term for processing drug.

If you know having a gun is an offence, will you want to purchase a gun just because someone urge you to do?

Yeo has certainly commit an offence of purchasing drug, hence to help the underground drug pushers to survival their dirty trade.

We should support CNB continue to use entrapment for controlling selling and consuming drugs.

I see many users of this forum have difficulty in differentiating with another tye of entrapment, whereby a plaintcloth policeman lurks someone to molest him.

This type of entrapment is wrong because the policeman has communicated his willingness to the target to go ahead to perform molestation acts.

As two willing parties are involved, the policeman can't charge the target using entrapment.

[GachiMuchi]

The Chinese paper recently had an article about a senior PLU who is already a grandfather who was found out by his wife that he likes to drag (dress in women's clothing) and goes to toilet to look for people for sex.

The wife was bitter and angry and disappointed and resentful and said something like he is not fit to be a husband, father and grandfather for what he had done.

Well, that I believe was the result of pressure from family to get married in the past and the outcome of that decision in the present.

I think there are many senior PLUs that are married and are still able to maintain a good family life and of course, there are some who fail miserably at it.

The above example is rather extreme and very unlikely to happen to many of those married PLUs, but still, when the walls of deceit collapses around them when the truth surface about their orientation, they hurt more people in the process than just themselves or their family.

The recent expose of the PLUs in the media, from the doctor's case to the teacher's molestation, etc. really puts a damper on other PLUs, whom are trying very hard to make good. We are so screwed by the acts of the few, which reflects badly on the community as a whole.

[Guest Guest]

Let me side track abit....hmm...recreational drugs are a big no no. There are many other drugs available and many guys are taking them for various reasons. Say Steriods, they have been injecting them so that they could get bigger and more attractive...So is our govt putting any effort to stop these drugs too ?

Just curious. Heard that there is no action taken and steriods can be easily available in the black market. True ?

Where have you heard that the govt is not taking action against recreational steroid use? Any proof?

This is a serious discussion. Don't come here and spew your nonsense if you have no proof. You were the one who said previously in another thread that there is absolutely no harm in consuming viagra. Other people here had disputed your nonsense remark by posting links to show that there are in fact side effects and even deaths for some who consume viagra.

We are talking about preventing illegal drug use so don't go and side track about other things. If you have knowledge about other illegal drugs that are abuse by the gay polulation then by all means bring it up here with details. Or else don't come here and spin your nonsense.

You have been warned.

Steriods are classified as control drugs. They have many side effects which can be easily available in the net. Read them carefully.

I guess thaiboyz is only asking questions about steriods and how is our government looking at such issues. He did not say the government is not taking any action lah.

[oralb]

we have a tough stand on certain things, and drug abuse is one of them.

hence our statement can be harsh as we have a point to make and that's NO DRUGS.

too many youngsters (even adults) are being lured to so-called recreational drugs, thinking that they are not hard-core drug addicts taking cocaine. the fact is recreational drugs can be more harmful as most addicts have lower their guard.

it's your life, live it or waste it

[oralb]

i read that article, it was from the wife and to a certain extent, very one-sided.

according to the wife, after being found out that he drag, instead of remorse over it, he instead openly solicidating sex in public area. he was caught having sex in a public toliet and even with the homeless guy sleeping in the void deck.

now let's assume all this is true, my opinion is that the grandfather has a problem of being a sex addict. of coz this case raised up due to (once again) the G and the drag factors.

well sex addiction is not just a G problem, hetrosexual has its fair share, eg Micheal Douglas and Hugh Grant (divine brown incident)

read below

Sex Addict is in Gene

[seekingknoc]

I have to agree with the general view that drugs are a big "NO NO". Heck, mosts gays and BIs come to the chat room to find PLUs and not to have drug parties nor do they want to indulge. Sex is one thing that most of us have to admit we want but drugs is one thing that most of us do not want.

A disturbing festure in some other gay chatrooms had been this fixation with what I think they call "chemfum". Chemicals, be it narcotic or not is poison to the body. Gays and Bis like their bodies so why waste it. 3some, 4some? thats not a bad thing when fun is what you are after but the momoent drugs get into the picture, where is the fun?

Gays abd Bis have a bad enough name in public.. do we really want to have it linked to drugs? This forum is opened to the public and anyone can read it, use it and post in it. If you are so stupid to peddle the drug lifestyle on the public domain, then dun blame the CNB boys (who by the way are really cute) for setting traps. They are ultimately doing a good thing.

Live life, be happy, I rather wrap my lipsound a nice juicy dick than pop stupid pills.. the high I get from having a dick in mymouth beats everything else>>

[Guest Guest]

drugs = smaller dicks and impotence. YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!! nothing worst then losing ur erection (or cant get it up) when you have a juicy man in ur arms and his long hard dick in ur mouth. He will just pick up and find another person .

[Guest curious chub]

hi deceptiveeyes.deceivingminds,

i agree with u. we don't have to act different in front of ppl or behind doors, as unless you are the sissy type and afraid that others can see exactly who they are. if one is not sissy at all, will not have this so-called 'split personality' as mentioned in this post earlier. as gay, we don't have to be sissy. we are still men!

ps : sorry if i wrote something provoting anyone here in this post. they are just facts. and hope that u won't be disturb.

[Guest Guest]

2 years!!!! thats nothing for molesting an underage boy. Others get 6-8 years for smaller crime but molesting an underage boy = 2 years!!!!!!

[deceptiveeyes.deceivingminds]

The recent expose of the PLUs in the media, from the doctor's case to the teacher's molestation, etc. really puts a damper on other PLUs, whom are trying very hard to make good. We are so screwed by the acts of the few, which reflects badly on the community as a whole.

Before we continue further into this topic, I think it is vital we have to be clear about two facts:

1. The doctor was clearly a case of Drug-abuse-consumption.

2. The teacher was clearly a case of paedophile

It has nothing to do with their gay sexuality.

There is never a perfect race, a perfect language or a perfect world where there isn't a microscopic trace of flaw.

If it was so, I believe we wouldn't be able to enjoy the world as much as we have had.

Let us not be discouraged nor affected by individual's act. There are smart Lees and there are Lees who are not so smart, there are Lees who are faithful and there are bound to be Lees who are flirtatious...but it does not constitute that all Lees are the same.

We need to stay focus on our course and not allow a single non-related act of an individual affect the community of gays.

If anyone chooses to think that all gays are aliked and sweeping us under a stereotypical blanket. Its their ignorance and loss. Not ours.

[GaoGaoZhu]

This is not about gay per se but a case of paedophile. I applaud the press for publishing this and I hope he gets the worst punishment and the boy sues him to the fullest extent of the law.

I agree to a certain extend that this is a case of paedophile. However, I think the fact that the accused and the victim are both guys adds complication. People will definitely associate it to homosexuality and tend to see us in bad light. It is imprinted in a lot of people's mind (perception). The very fact that we guys are discussing its impact on the gay community in this thread is testimony.

In the eyes of the law, if the accused is a woman, she is just as guilty. But in the eyes of the general public, my personal opinion is they will tend to see it as less "serious" than if the accused is a man. Some may even think it is ok and not really a crime. What do you guys think? It is just like:

1) If a male boss touch a lady employee - sexual harassment, lady boss touch the male employee?

2) In the bus if a guy accidentally touches a lady (the law will determine the real intention), he runs the risk of molest, but the reverse?

[GaoGaoZhu]

There is this saying by Liu Xiao Qin (the china actress) - It is difficult to be a woman, and more difficult to be a popular/famous woman.

My take - It is more difficult to be a man, EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to be GAY man.

[VOCE]

What is so dificult to be a gay men? Just be yourself.

:whistle:

[deceptiveeyes.deceivingminds]

Dear Curious Chub

Thank you for sharing your view. I think whether one is outwardly effeminine or not, putting on a false-front still does not constitute as a split-personality because the false-front is nothing more than just behavioural difference whereas a person suffering from a split personality thinks completely different with each personality mindset. Its like two different persons living in one body.

No worries about provocative statements if you have no such intentions. Its a forum and its good to express our thoughts. Cheers!

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Dear Guest

Whatever the jail term could be, the paedophile has been punished. The punishment just doesn't end there for him. I have a hunch he would be getting "special" treatment when he's in jail and don't forget, when he's out, he's already carrying a "stigmatized view" from his family, his friends, and future employers. He has a long road ahead of him.

Punishment is like rewards - it'll never be enough but then what is enough?

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Dear Gao Gao Zhu

What you touched upon is very much stereotypes. Its like the saying "Teochew lang ka chern ang ang" or "All Cantonese are very argumentative" or in typical Shakespear's style, "All Jews are very calculative and drive a hard bargain".

This is what ignorants would want to believe - its easier that way as everyone can now be classified under certain terms and labelled under certain names. But all these stereotypical beliefs hold no roots nor truth. (Though I do wish the one about Teochews were... )

And on your take about a similar crime committed by both a man and a woman, a woman may receive less attention while a man gets all the limelight ...I think this is mainly due to the fact that Male has always been seen and recorded as the stronger sex while Female is seen and recorded as more of a weaker (note: weaker does not imply less smart or capable but more so in physical strength).

So, a Male is always seen as capable of any doings while a Female is not necessarily seen in that way. Its again, I believe, a stereotypical view.

In US, there has been unreported(in the news) cases of men being raped by women. Unbelievable but true. So even now, women are not necessarily weaker in strength than men.

And in the eyes of the Law, if a man and a woman is ever caught in a tussle where they're the only two persons in the room. Whatever the woman accuses the man of doing, the man would always be at a disadvantage.

To this, I like to share a joke perhaps most of you have come across to end this post.

A Park Warden issued a fine to a lady for fishing in a restricted area of a river. The woman vehemently objected to the fine saying she was only using her husband's boat to row out to the river to read a book and enjoy the sun. The Park Warden gave a sly smile and replied "I'm sorry Mdm, but in your boat, there are tackles and fishing poles. You are guilty. " "But... but ..those belong to my husband" the woman protested.

"I'm sorry but you would have to pay the fine" the Park Warden offered no consolation.

"Okay, I'll pay the fine. But you would have to come with me to the Sheriff's office" the lady said. "Why so?" asked the Warden.

"I'm reporting you to the Sheriff for attempting to rape me" wailed the lady.

The shocked Warden was stunned "Mdm, I did no such thing! You can't be serious!! I did not even touch you".

"No you didn't but you have the equipment to do so"

:whistle:

[GachiMuchi]

DD, to you it is very clear cut and you can differentiate it so clear and precise, but to the str8, majority, they don't see it that way.

They see that as a gay man who meet other gays on chatroom for 3 some and drugs.

They also see a male teacher molesting boys.

They see a man who dress up as a women, who go and have sex with other men in toilets

All the above has a common denominator, which is MEN doing "criminal" things to/with other MEN/Boys.

After 9/11, all Arabic descendents or Muslims are views as extremist / terrorist or have links with, etc.

Be it smart Lees, not so smart Lees or whatever Lees you have, SADLY, that's how people view it. People generalise things.

[Lungker]

Be it smart Lees, not so smart Lees or whatever Lees you have, SADLY, that's how people view it. People generalise things.

You are absolutely right. However, it is therefore their problem, not ours.

I can understand in recent weeks, due to numerous negative news reports, gays may have felt more marginalised from main stream society than ever before.

However if one were to rationalise it logically, and DD is correct in his analysis, it is the criminal, illegal and weird things that these few gays did that is making the news. It just so happen that these people are Plus.

Lets not let these news report demoralise us as a community. These are just road bumps on our journey to greater equality and acceptance from society.

On a side note, it is worth acknowledging that homophobia from main stream society exists everywhere, even in the liberal west. A gay right-wing politician in Holland was murdered a few years back. A famous drag queen, whose songs was in the US dance charts was assaulted by four young black men, in the East Village - a predominantly gay enclave no less in New York City just a few days ago.

We had and will always be discriminated by a big section of society regardless of where we live. But so do black or dark skinned people (racism), females (sexism), poor people, old people, people of different religion..etc. Discrimination is everywhere. Gays are not the only people marginalised by main stream society.

I am not saying we should not fight against or resist homophobia. We should but let us choose our battle rationally. The few incidents reported by the news media, eg. drug possession, pedophilia etc. are criminal acts committed by people who just happened to be gays. It grieves me as well to read our gay brothers doing these kind of things and I know it will reflect badly on our community but I have to admit if they are guilty, they just have to pay for the crimes they committed.

These are dark days for Plus. For me, who is out to most of my good straight friends, I have to tolerate some of their good natured ribbings, especially regarding the sexcapades the doctor was getting into. For them, I am probably the only gay person that they know and I think their perception of gays have not dipped despite the news that they read. Adrian Yeo's incident is an aberration and I think they knew that. They know not all gays are like Adrian and not all straight people are like the murderer who chopped up his China girlfriend.

All of us goes out and face society everyday. Society may not know we are gay, but the image we project as individuals are actually more important. I'd like to think and hope we are first and foremost responsible and hardworking people like everyone else. That should be the image society see us. Being gay is something private and secondary and none of their business.

Let us not let the indiscretions of a few of our gay brothers put us down. Dark days may be here but things will brighten up. We just need to wait out the storm clouds hovering above.

[Cool]

The Chinese paper recently had an article about a senior PLU who is already a grandfather who was found out by his wife that he likes to drag (dress in women's clothing) and goes to toilet to look for people for sex.

The wife was bitter and angry and disappointed and resentful and said something like he is not fit to be a husband, father and grandfather for what he had done.

Well, that I believe was the result of pressure from family to get married in the past and the outcome of that decision in the present.

I think there are many senior PLUs that are married and are still able to maintain a good family life and of course, there are some who fail miserably at it.

The above example is rather extreme and very unlikely to happen to many of those married PLUs, but still, when the walls of deceit collapses around them when the truth surface about their orientation, they hurt more people in the process than just themselves or their family.

The recent expose of the PLUs in the media, from the doctor's case to the teacher's molestation, etc. really puts a damper on other PLUs, whom are trying very hard to make good. We are so screwed by the acts of the few, which reflects badly on the community as a whole.

Oh,

I saw two old men before in drag, one chinese and one indian and both at Bugis.

The weird thing is they dun even look like girls as the chinese man is almost bald and the indian man still got beard.

And they are wearing women's clothings and handbags. Thus, many people are looking at them. If they at least look like women, then maybe not so bad lor.

Wonder why they want to do this?

[Cool]

This is not about gay per se but a case of paedophile. I applaud the press for publishing this and I hope he gets the worst punishment and the boy sues him to the fullest extent of the law.

I agree to a certain extend that this is a case of paedophile. However, I think the fact that the accused and the victim are both guys adds complication. People will definitely associate it to homosexuality and tend to see us in bad light. It is imprinted in a lot of people's mind (perception). The very fact that we guys are discussing its impact on the gay community in this thread is testimony.

In the eyes of the law, if the accused is a woman, she is just as guilty. But in the eyes of the general public, my personal opinion is they will tend to see it as less "serious" than if the accused is a man. Some may even think it is ok and not really a crime. What do you guys think? It is just like:

1) If a male boss touch a lady employee - sexual harassment, lady boss touch the male employee?

2) In the bus if a guy accidentally touches a lady (the law will determine the real intention), he runs the risk of molest, but the reverse?

But there are hundreds and thousands of cases where straight people are also having drugs or rape or molest. So does that means that gays are much better than straights since we have lesser cases?

I think every community, race, gender preferences will have their fair share of black sheeps that break the law and do something against the law. So I don't think these recent cases would dramatically affect the image of homosexuals.

[Guest Guest]

Wonder why they want to do this? Well, I guess the same answer lies with the question when a straight man ask why 2 straight looking man would have sex with each. The point is let's not be judgemental. Let it be.

[deceptiveeyes.deceivingminds]

Dear Gachi_Muchi

People who like to generalize and believe in stereotypes are precisely the people we should be least bothered about. They are the apathetic lot who sway according to the direction where the wind blows strongest. These people have no use for their brains and forever making assumption.

Assuming things to be what they are and not questioning is dangerous . Assume and you'll make an ASS-out of -U- and - ME. Its a cliche but true.

Let them think what they want. We can never make a man learn but we can only provide the opportunity for the man to learn.

We could talk to these people till the cows come home...but they'll never truly listen nor learn.

You and I have Muslim friends but do you truly believe that all Muslims suddenly become extremist or terroristic after 9/11? Of course not!

Let us not give up whatever little we have in making our gay community visible because of this okay? *Hugz*

[jason]

gachi_muchi - was it reported by WANBAO or LIANHE ZAOBAO ? u mean the wife found out when her hubby was arrested for having sex with men in public places ?

[Guest gMoh]

Thaiboyz, it seems that you didn’t understand the message and warning by the moderator that you are NOT welcome here. These all due to your nonsense created in this thread and other threads such Viagra issue, Ridicule the mature guys, etc.

Go back to other gay forum where you come from earlier and don't create havoc here again.

[shaberu]

Like i have said being gay is nobody's else business. Unless it has an effect on anybody. Why so handsome and not married? And why handsome man got married and have gay S*x? So what is bordering you? A handsome gay man getting married? Why he doesn't want you but other women or men? Who's seduction is that? Nobody really knows anybody in tis world! Got married and have gay S*x also none of your business, it is their. These ppl do not decieve themselves but others. How turthfull are you? Did they hurt you in a way? I believe most human are kind unless you are not. How many will wait until gay marriage is legalised? Ppl r selfish and are too attached to their "wants". Most important thing is to know what you want but don't be too attached! And what you have does not mean you are a complete person! So the question is are you a complete person? If i want to start a family and get married and have gay s*x then i am not complete. Usually, i wrote when i am drunk but all from my heart, if you are kapos, i dun response! I might have offended other ppl but i dun mean it. Remember tis forum is started by a married man! Who's business is that? Is he helping? Nothing in tis world is fair and tats why there is no right and wrong. Hope again i dun regret writting here!

[ChnBear]

I would like to add to DD and Lungker's good comments.

We have to learn and be constantly aware that gay IMAGE to the society WILL always be biased and sterotypical. They form their opinion on the informations reported in the mass media which is ofcourse mostly homophobic in general. How else would they know us well to have a balanced view?

The fact is all of us also have our own sterotype, prejudices or assumption towards things that we don't really care deep enough. Example, other race, different culture, poor people, rich people, disabled peope and so on.

Why? Because the public is apathy and wouldn't be bothered to understand the issue deeply since it is not important at all to their daily live UNLESS they have gay close friends, relatives and family members whom they care dearly. Even then they might still be homophobic and denial our existence.

Its a NOWIN situation for us! Just look at the more advanced countries in gay acceptance wise, still many gays if not most still fear of been OUT and have to fight the homophobic acts constantly.

What makes you think that Singaporean public would accept and understand us wholeheartedly? Depends on the goverment and the paper? Fat hope!

Yet many of us managed to live our life as happy as we can. You think gays are only young men? It's as old as human race. Millions have come and gone and live a life without the blessing from the society.

I know many gays are so mistaken and disllusioned with expectation of a gay life to be as NORMAL and wonderfully accepted by the society. I think its just naive mind at work. It's better to grow out of it and you will feel better not EXPECTING to be accepted.

Not expecting doest not mean we can't fight for our right to exists as human in the society. Fight all you want with our blessing but bear in mind that we gays come in all types including those recent cases reported in the news and more not reported.

No need to pretend that these type of gays don't exist among us. We have to be real to the world inorder to show them that we are human like them living among the drug users, murderers and all.

These people are not going away and useless to wish that they are not among us to give us a 'BAD' name. I will bet you that there will be still such 'bad' news about us in the forseeable future.

Just live with it and pray and support those who stick their neck out fighting for our right to exist.

[ChnBear]

Its despicable!

The fact is police out to entrap GAY drug user! Imagine going to a GAY chat room and entrap the poor gay to commit crime! Entrp all the gay trafficers all they want but for goodness sake I question the tactic to entrap a gay to commit crime. What if the doctor is a first time drug user? It will be INJUSTICE!!!!! Not that its justifiable to entrap a drug user because entrap to encourage user to commit crime is WRONG!

If you remove the 'GAY' then the public would see it as stupid young doctor mistake but with a GAY doctor the stupid paper as usual made it a gay=drug image out of it!

Sigh.

[oralb]

Thaiboyz, it seems that you didn’t understand the message and warning by the moderator that you are NOT welcome here. These all due to your nonsense created in this thread and other threads such Viagra issue, Ridicule the mature guys, etc.

Go back to other gay forum where you come from earlier and don't create havoc here again.

i speak for myself, i am NOT against anyone, i read his posting and figure that we should clarify the situation.

Steriods is a kind of drug and it has side-effects.

we tend to let our emotion lead us when we reply on other's posting, can i suggest everyone to step back for a while, before you hit the "Add reply" button, think over what you have written.

for so long we have ask others to be tolerance to those that are different (meaning PLU) and give other's a chance. Yes Thaiboyz might have created controvercy earlier in some of his posting but that doesnt mean all his future postings will be likewise, read what he has written 1st, constructively bring your comments or objections if any.

[oralb]

Its despicable!

it is very hard to debate the ethicality of entrapment. both sides will have their points and supporters.

it is also hard for us to certain whether the doc was an innocent 1st timer (he did manage to get access to 3 differents of drugs, which i believed it is no easy feat) though the case was front page due to his sexual orientation, do note that he was charged on drug possession, not being a gay.

we can empathise with the doc, but we must also bear in mind that drugs abuse are harmful and society has zero tolerance for such habits.

[shaberu]

Talking abt gay image in the society. How many str8 ppl will understand? My belief is, they dun care! The 1st impression they got is, "it is bad!", the recent reports made it worst! They still care? i doubt so. They got their own lives to live and so do we. Why border? Wanbao has always been a busybody to boost their sales. Only gay curious and kapos pay attention. The only kapos here r women who cannot get enuff love! Why a str8 man so interested to know so much abt gay? Most will be scared, "100% str8 man" will ask themself why scared? this thing will never stop. So be gay, bi or str8 and live your own life and dun border!

[worldangel]

The Chinese paper recently had an article about a senior PLU who is already a grandfather who was found out by his wife that he likes to drag (dress in women's clothing) and goes to toilet to look for people for sex.

How old was the grandfather in drag? It’s quite amusing that with his age, he still so attractive? And I am curious, how could he go to male toilet looking for sex if he in cross-dressing? Other guys would have chased him away ...?

[GachiMuchi]

For those whom miss the news (Chinese Papers) I've got it scanned and posted on my Yahoo Photo Page

Sorry, no English translation.

Note: It is quite a big file.

[ChnBear]

It's not that hard to have a stand on despicable entrapment.

here is what the lawyer, Mr. Wang said:

Quote: The police officer is guilty of abetment of the offence of drug possession:

"107. A person abets the doing of a thing who —

(a) instigates any person to do that thing;

(b) engages with one or more other person or persons in any conspiracy for the doing of that thing, if an act or illegal omission takes place in pursuance of that conspiracy, and in order to the doing of that thing; or

© intentionally aids, by any act or illegal omission, the doing of that thing."

Subsection (a) - abetment by instigation" - looks pretty obvious to me.

I had not mentioned this earlier because in one sense, the point is rather moot - we know very well that the Attorney-General's Chambers will not prosecute this kind of case even if legally, the policeman has committed an offence. At the very most (and here I'm probably already over-optimistic), the Public Prosecutor will just tell the Commissioner of Police, "Hey, I got some concerns about this kind of case; in future, can you get your officers to think about X, Y, Z before they do this kind of entrapment again."

But in another sense, we must know intuitively, that if the police force itself is committing offences in order to catch criminals, then something has probably gone wrong somewhere.

Unquote.

Readers here are mature enough. If not, go away. Its a given and nobrainer knowledge that drug abusing is illegal. Does it mean the police can entrape all drug users to commit crimes and put them all to jail? Gay sex is illegal, so the police can use the same tactic and entrap us and put us all to jail?

Nobody questions the usage of entrapment as a tactic but in the doctor's case, I think the police had crossed the line.

[Guest saunagoer]

Moderator, this issue will never end the arguments, better closed it before 'the war' getting bigger. 2 members already kena 'shot down' viz. bodyholic and thaiboyz due to 'inappropriate comments'.

[jason]

gachi_muchi - anyway to view in full ? cant read.words very small

[GachiMuchi]

Sorry, I could not upload a large enough file on Yahoo Photo for people to view.

I've created a group called

Gachi Muchi Yahoo Group

The news together with other news and files can be found there.

1st. You need to have an Yahoo email account.

2nd When you click the above link, you need to JOIN as member before you can access and download files, as well as participate in other activities.

See you there.

[Guest saunagoer]

For a start, we could boycott those gay friendly businesses that close an eye to drug abuse at their premises. Know of any sauna that allow patrons to use drugs at their premises? I remember seeing 1-7 has an advertisement for RUSH Poppers on one of the notice board. I believe 1-7 is selling RUSH Poppers to patrons. Isn't using RUSH Poppers a form of chemical abuse. It contains fast acting drugs like amyl nitrate, isobutyl nitrate, butyl nitrate and butyl chloride which can damage the heart, kidneys and liver. It will eventually compromise the immune system of the users.

Alright, been to 1-7 this evening for the Fundoshi Sunday. The advertisement for RUSH Poppers is no more on the notice board. There was a message (on the notice board) by Sam about the visit by ministry of health, CNB and police on June 09, and how the situation was handled. According to the message, nobody was questioned and patrons IC particulars were not taken.

Another message on the notice board in the gym area announced that the ministry of health will be providing Club OneSeven with FREE condoms and lubricants every 3 months.

[HendryTan]

The SinMing papers on 21 Jun 2006 (Page 9) reported the above news. I don't think ZaoBao and Straits Times reported it. I translated it here from Chinese to English for the benefit of BW readers.

In summary, a man was sentenced to 5 years jail for having unnatural sex with a 15 year old male student.

Lesson from the incident - Do NOT have sexual contact with children !!!

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15 yo boy : Confused about his sexual identity.

Sex with man in a car park.

Accused man sentenced to 5 years imprisonment.

A sexually confused 15 year old boy was involved in anal, oral and bodily sex with a man 8 years his senior.

This was discovered when the boy's father noticed the boy's high phone bill. All the calls were made between the same telephone number. It roused the suspicion of his father and he quizzed the boy on who he was communicating with.

The father was surprised that the calls were made not with a girl but his "boy friend". More alarming for the father is that the boy admitted that they already had sexual relationship.

The father was angered after the boy's confession and filed a police report which sent the man to court.

This case started from September to October last year. The boy was a secondary four student. He was introduced to the man Zulkifli (age 23) by a friend. They exchanged numbers and kept in contact by SMS and handphone. They met several times to get to know each other better.

After sometime, this led to sexual relationship. During October and November 2005, there were three occasions where they did anal and oral sex. These happened at the the man's Tampines flat, the boy's Jurong West flat and the stairways of the multi-storey car park at Jurong West 635A near the boy's home.

But the relationship did not last long. During Christmas 2005, after the boy confessed to his father, the angry father filed a police report.

Initially the boy refused to follow the father to the police station. The police had to visit the boy at his home to bring him to the station to aid in investigation.

Finally the man was charged in court with 6 counts of unnatural sex.

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Case Details : Cuddling in Bed. Disrobed and had sex.

The first time they had sex was a particular day in October at 3pm. It was at the accused's Tampines Street 21 flat.

That afternoon, the accused and boy were planning to go Geylang. However after meeting, the accused wanted a change of clothings. They thus went to the accused's home in Tampines. At the accused's home, the accused allowed the boy to use his computer while he took a bath.

After bathing, the accused chatted with boy while sitting next to him. The boy leaned his head on the accused's shoulder. They started cuddling in bed, disrobed and the boy oraled the accused and proceeded to sex.

Another sex incident happened in a morning in November last year. This time it was at the boy's house. The boy invited the accused to his Jurong west flat. In his parent's room, they sat on the bed, kissed and disrobed.

Later the boy sat on the accused's body who was lying down and had sex.

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Doctor's Diagnosis : Boy is sexually confused.

The boy's genital organs are fully developed. But the boy is confused of his own sexual identity.

Base on the doctor's diagnosis, the boy is aware that whatever he was doing is illegal and wrong, but he was confused of his sexual identity.

During sentencing, the judge noted that as the boy is confused of his own sexual identity, by having homosexual sex with him may lead him down the path of homosexuality.

The judge noted that the accused did not resort to force, the boy victim was willingly involved and was not physically hurt. However the judge cannot discount that the victim was not psychologically scarred.

The judge also said that for such crimes, where the victim is young, the sentence has to be more severe. A severe sentence is not only for protection of the young, it also reflects society strong dislike for unnatural sex.

The judge sentenced the accused to 5 years imprisonment.

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The report also showed the face picture of Zulkifli, the accused man.

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Afternote: I have re-edited the translation to better reflect the original newspaper report.

[jazz]

The proceedings of this case is highly questionable.

I do not think that the boy should be named as a victim., but rather more of a co-accused as he had part-take in the sexual activities knowingly. The judge had also noted this.

1 person should never be accountable for another person's act. It was not mention that the man knew that the boy was confused and that he took advantage of the situation. :swear:

[Guest Guest]

the minor willingly or not. lead u on or not. initiate it or not. doing it with a minor is an offence. no excuse!!

[jazz]

the minor willingly or not. lead u on or not. initiate it or not. doing it with a minor is an offence. no excuse!!

If you read my post at all, I am not saying that the man should be acquitted just because the minor is a willing party. I am just saying that there is no reason why the minor is not being charged with the same offence.....!!! :yuk:

[Guest Guest]

....then u will see the jails filled to the brim with kids cos they fight, they vandalise, they play with each others' private parts etc that all adults also indulged in. The law has always given kids the leeways and the protections becos they are kids and they cannot think so smart like u, Mr. Jazz.

[skylancer]

hmm... like means like loh... but sad story....