Singapore Local Gay News [LGBT Related News] (Compiled)

[LeanMature]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Did the VP admit to abusing the doctor? How do you know if the supposed abuse isn't a fabrication cooked up by the wife? So far, the only admission of guilt is the doctor's confession of extortion. 

 

 

You would rather believe an extortionist, then an educator. 

 

Be patient.  Three things cannot be hidden forever - the Sun, the Moon and the Truth.   Honestly, there are more educators abusing children than extortionist.

[snowball]

Greed

[CKW]

12 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

You would rather believe an extortionist, then an educator. 

 

So an educator can never commit sexual offences?

 

Also, had the VP been innocent, he would have immediately gone to the police when the doctor asked for the $200k.

 

Why did he quietly send the doctor a Cease and Desist lawyer's letter? He was hoping to keep the matter under wraps, that's why.

[West93]

4 hours ago, CKW said:

 

So an educator can never commit sexual offences?

 

Also, had the VP been innocent, he would have immediately gone to the police when the doctor asked for the $200k.

 

Why did he quietly send the doctor a Cease and Desist lawyer's letter? He was hoping to keep the matter under wraps, that's why.

 

Just think, if you are a VP of a renowned school would you want to blow things up immediately to the police and have the school also find out that you're being subjected to extortion? Maybe the VP also feels embarrassed by the entire situation and was worried he couldn't be too open in resolving it, hence the lawyer's letter of his own. 

[Guest Guest]

4 hours ago, CKW said:

 

So an educator can never commit sexual offences?

 

Also, had the VP been innocent, he would have immediately gone to the police when the doctor asked for the $200k.

 

Why did he quietly send the doctor a Cease and Desist lawyer's letter? He was hoping to keep the matter under wraps, that's why.

 

So a doctor can never be telling lies? What is proven is the fact that the doctor is an extortionist. 

 

If the VP had been guity, the doctor should have immediately gone to the police instead of asking for the $200K. Why didn't he? If the doctor can be greedy enough to resort to extortion, what makes you so sure he is not greedy enough to lie? 

 

How on earth is asking a LAWYER to send the doctor a Cease and Desist lawyer's letter considered a QUIET affair? If the VP hoping to keep the matter under wraps, he could pay up the $200K, instead of revealing it to the lawyer, right? The fact that he did just goes to show that he did nothing wrong. 

[Guest WTH]

14 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

So a doctor can never be telling lies? What is proven is the fact that the doctor is an extortionist. 

 

If the VP had been guity, the doctor should have immediately gone to the police instead of asking for the $200K. Why didn't he? If the doctor can be greedy enough to resort to extortion, what makes you so sure he is not greedy enough to lie? 

 

How on earth is asking a LAWYER to send the doctor a Cease and Desist lawyer's letter considered a QUIET affair? If the VP hoping to keep the matter under wraps, he could pay up the $200K, instead of revealing it to the lawyer, right? The fact that he did just goes to show that he did nothing wrong. 

 

I beg to differ. While I'm not saying the doctor is a saint but the VP is definitely guilty.  The fact that he chose to resolve the matter via his lawyer instead of going to the police shows he has something to hide. I disagree with West93 too. How would the school knows about the matter unless rhe police discloses it. I'm inclined to believe the doctor.  There are many ways to extort the VP. The fact he chose to bring the matter to court openly suggests that the doctor has a case on the VP. It's highly unlikely he will accuse the VP without any good basis.  Shame on the VP for exploiting the boy at the tender age. I put the blame entirely on the VP cos that he should jolly well know it was a wrong thing to do, somemore he is an EDUCATOR !! Whether it is right for the doctor to ask for compensation, it's debatable.  What is clear is that the VP is definitely getting karma on his misdeeds.  It's a shame he can't be caned due to his age. They should impose on  him the maximum jail sentence !

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Since hate prc so much..why not cut complete ties with china? Stop buying china brands, buy china goods and services and made in china products. Also disown your great grand parents or grandparents who were from china? Stop fuelling their economy!

[LeanMature]

42 minutes ago, Guest WTH said:

 

I beg to differ. While I'm not saying the doctor is a saint but the VP is definitely guilty.  The fact that he chose to resolve the matter via his lawyer instead of going to the police shows he has something to hide. I disagree with West93 too. How would the school knows about the matter unless rhe police discloses it. I'm inclined to believe the doctor.  There are many ways to extort the VP. The fact he chose to bring the matter to court openly suggests that the doctor has a case on the VP. It's highly unlikely he will accuse the VP without any good basis.  Shame on the VP for exploiting the boy at the tender age. I put the blame entirely on the VP cos that he should jolly well know it was a wrong thing to do, somemore he is an EDUCATOR !! Whether it is right for the doctor to ask for compensation, it's debatable.  What is clear is that the VP is definitely getting karma on his misdeeds.  It's a shame he can't be caned due to his age. They should impose on  him the maximum jail sentence !

 

 

 

Oh no... Maximum jail sentence is life imprisonment.   By now, openly shamed and jobless, the VP or ex-VP, would have deeply regretted that he should pay the $200k as out of court settlement in the first instance.  No doubt doctor's wife is greedy, the VP's sexual abuse is unforgivable. 

[West93]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Since hate prc so much..why not cut complete ties with china? Stop buying china brands, buy china goods and services and made in china products. Also disown your great grand parents or grandparents who were from china? Stop fuelling their economy!

 

You are just being idiotic. I don't use PRC brands or PRC goods as far as I can afford to. When I am overseas I take no small amount of pride in telling people that I am Singaporean and I hate PRCs and China with a vengeance, and as far as I am concerned nobody in my family beyond my great-great generation came directly from China so I don't give a fuck about roots there. If it wasn't for globalisation resulting in almost everything being made in China, it would make my job of boycotting China so much easier. 

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Since hate prc so much..why not cut complete ties with china? Stop buying china brands, buy china goods and services and made in china products. Also disown your great grand parents or grandparents who were from china? Stop fuelling their economy!

 

If China is so great, then you get that PRC doctor and his gold-digger wife to move to China lor. Stay in Singapore for what? 害人害己。So what even if my great grandparents did come from China? If they want to thank China, I won't stop them. But did China do anything for me when I grew up? Answer: No. So why should I like them?

 

Your ancestors evolved from monkeys too. Did you give thanks to the trees?  

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

If China is so great, then you get that PRC doctor and his gold-digger wife to move to China lor. Stay in Singapore for what? 害人害己。So what even if my great grandparents did come from China? If they want to thank China, I won't stop them. But did China do anything for me when I grew up? Answer: No. So why should I like them?

 

Your ancestors evolved from monkeys too. Did you give thanks to the trees?  

Where did I say to give thanks to china? Did I say china is great? AllnI said is for you and china haters to cut off all ties with china and products that come out of china. And disown your relatives from china. Where did I ask you to thank china. You cannot understand english. Are you a china lover?

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, West93 said:

 

You are just being idiotic. I don't use PRC brands or PRC goods as far as I can afford to. When I am overseas I take no small amount of pride in telling people that I am Singaporean and I hate PRCs and China with a vengeance, and as far as I am concerned nobody in my family beyond my great-great generation came directly from China so I don't give a fuck about roots there. If it wasn't for globalisation resulting in almost everything being made in China, it would make my job of boycotting China so much easier. 

You hate china with a vengence but enriched their economy...if you want to, you can boycott made in china products and goods. But you cannot bare to part with your iphone?

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, West93 said:

 

You are just being idiotic. I don't use PRC brands or PRC goods as far as I can afford to. When I am overseas I take no small amount of pride in telling people that I am Singaporean and I hate PRCs and China with a vengeance, and as far as I am concerned nobody in my family beyond my great-great generation came directly from China so I don't give a fuck about roots there. If it wasn't for globalisation resulting in almost everything being made in China, it would make my job of boycotting China so much easier. 

Why am I being idiotic? If I hate someone, I will not want anything to do with that person. No way will I contribute to his wealth.

 

There are always alternatives to china goods and services. But since its almost always more expensive, you sold your soul?

 

You can also disown your great great grandparents..next time you just refuse to do anything during qing ming and so on.

 

Its your choice. You hate china but you enriched their wealth. 

[CKW]

5 hours ago, Guest WTH said:

 

I beg to differ. While I'm not saying the doctor is a saint but the VP is definitely guilty.  The fact that he chose to resolve the matter via his lawyer instead of going to the police shows he has something to hide. I disagree with West93 too. How would the school knows about the matter unless rhe police discloses it. I'm inclined to believe the doctor.  There are many ways to extort the VP. The fact he chose to bring the matter to court openly suggests that the doctor has a case on the VP. It's highly unlikely he will accuse the VP without any good basis.  Shame on the VP for exploiting the boy at the tender age. I put the blame entirely on the VP cos that he should jolly well know it was a wrong thing to do, somemore he is an EDUCATOR !! Whether it is right for the doctor to ask for compensation, it's debatable.  What is clear is that the VP is definitely getting karma on his misdeeds.  It's a shame he can't be caned due to his age. They should impose on  him the maximum jail sentence !

 

You took the words right out of my mouth. 

 

To the guest who was replying to me, know that a lot of your questions (e.g. Why didn't the VP pay the $200k instead of going to a lawyer; Why didn't the doctor go straight to the police right from the start, etc.) have already been answered by myself and other members in the earlier posts of this thread.

 

I'll just add two more details which I did not mention earlier (all in the Chinese press):

 

When the doctor told the VP that he wanted compensation for what the latter did, the VP agreed, and said that he would need time to come up with the money. If a random stranger came up to you to ask for money for "the harm you caused him", would you reply this way?

 

Secondly, before the lawyer's letter incident, when the doctor made the VP promise (over the text message) not to sexually assault anymore boys in the future, the VP agreed, and further begged the doctor not to report him to the police. An innocent man would not react this way. 

[CKW]

6 hours ago, West93 said:

 

Just think, if you are a VP of a renowned school would you want to blow things up immediately to the police and have the school also find out that you're being subjected to extortion? Maybe the VP also feels embarrassed by the entire situation and was worried he couldn't be too open in resolving it, hence the lawyer's letter of his own. 

 

Exactly my sentiments  

[West93]

59 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

You hate china with a vengence but enriched their economy...if you want to, you can boycott made in china products and goods. But you cannot bare to part with your iphone?

 

54 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Why am I being idiotic? If I hate someone, I will not want anything to do with that person. No way will I contribute to his wealth.

 

There are always alternatives to china goods and services. But since its almost always more expensive, you sold your soul?

 

You can also disown your great great grandparents..next time you just refuse to do anything during qing ming and so on.

 

Its your choice. You hate china but you enriched their wealth. 

 

1) I don't use an iPhone. As for using a phone that isn't made in China, well show me one! Nowadays pretty much all phone tech is made in China. But I'm using a Sony phone, happy to support Japanese tech. 

2) Retailers don't really carry goods that aren't made in China because MIC goods are the best for their profit margins most of the time. I would rather pay more to support other countries' manufacturing capacity than support PRC. 

3) I never knew who my great great grandparents were. I don't even know their names, or how they look like. I have not been for Qing Ming pretty much all my life since I'm lucky to still have most if not all my extended family members still alive. And I'm not obliged to go for any. 

So in short, fuck you China IB, go get your fucking 50 cents per post. 

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, CKW said:

 

You took the words right out of my mouth. 

 

To the guest who was replying to me, know that a lot of your questions (e.g. Why didn't the VP pay the $200k instead of going to a lawyer; Why didn't the doctor go straight to the police right from the start, etc.) have already been answered by myself and other members in the earlier posts of this thread.

 

I'll just add two more details which I did not mention earlier (all in the Chinese press):

 

When the doctor told the VP that he wanted compensation for what the latter did, the VP agreed, and said that he would need time to come up with the money. If a random stranger came up to you to ask for money for "the harm you caused him", would you reply this way?

 

Secondly, before the lawyer's letter incident, when the doctor made the VP promise (over the text message) not to sexually assault anymore boys in the future, the VP agreed, and further begged the doctor not to report him to the police. An innocent man would not react this way. 

 

All your claims have also been cross examined  in the past, and you were not able to back up any of your claims. 

 

Did the VP admitted in court that he agreed to the payment of $200k? Even if he did, was that his real intention to pay, or was it his intention to stall  for time so that the lawyer can be there to serve him the letter? FUrthermore, let's see those text messages that the doctor forced the VP to the agreement. Have they been submitted in court? If the world now is such that we dun need evidence to BACK UP baseless accusations,  then I can also accuse you of being a tiong-sympathizer who harbored enough dirty thoughts of screwing a PRC doctor that you are willing to accuse educators of any type of wrongdoings under this clear blue sky. 

 

Now, prove to us that you are innocent of my accusation. 

[CKW]

18 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

All your claims have also been cross examined  in the past, and you were not able to back up any of your claims. . . .

 

Now, prove to us that you are innocent of my accusation. 

 

Wah! We were in court together, ah?

 

I don't remember leh. I hope I was wearing a nice shirt.  

 

Anyway, the VP is definitely going to join Kong Hee and Chew Eng Han very soon.  

Edited April 5, 2018 by CKW

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

You hate china with a vengence but enriched their economy...if you want to, you can boycott made in china products and goods. But you cannot bare to part with your iphone?

 

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

Where did I say to give thanks to china? Did I say china is great? AllnI said is for you and china haters to cut off all ties with china and products that come out of china. And disown your relatives from china. Where did I ask you to thank china. You cannot understand english. Are you a china lover?

 

Just because I hate someone doesn't mean I am going to make it more inconvenient for myself to continue my normal course of life. If this person whom I hate is going to be so stupid to make my life easier for me even though I hate him, why should I deny that "goodwill"? But hell, I will still make things difficult for him as and when I can, with or without his "goodwill". 

 

Yes, I paid money to buy those made-in-China things. But are you willing to be paid money to be scolded? You must have really low dignity to willingly subject yourself to abuse just to earn money.  Since you know we hate China so much, you go tell your China not to sell things into Singapore lor. Why tell me not to buy? I am having the best of both worlds now. Scolding China while buying cheap things made in China.

 

Guess what? Life went on when China was a closed communist country. So, life will still go on when China stop selling things worldwide. 

 

LOL! You must be really stupid not to understand that.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

8 hours ago, CKW said:

 

Wah! We were in court together, ah?

 

I don't remember leh. I hope I was wearing a nice shirt.  

 

Anyway, the VP is definitely going to join Kong Hee and Chew Eng Han very soon.  

 

Are you retreating now, you tiong-sympathizer? You seems to be avoiding the slow of your evidence to back up your claims that the VP really abused the tiong. And where are the supposed text messages? 

[Guest law prof]

On 02/04/2018 at 3:20 PM, tomcat said:

In the US, there is such a thing, it's called Statute of Limitation. The period varies from state to state, but basically, the idea is that the victim can no longer press charges after a certain amount of time has passed.

This is to prevent cases of complex human dynamics, such as these. It also exposes some of the motives why the crime is dredged up after many many years.
 

I find it curious myself, why now?

Why disrupt your life now to seek revenge/justice after so many many years?

I don't think the statute of limitation applies for criminal matters

[Guest tree]

15 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

If China is so great, then you get that PRC doctor and his gold-digger wife to move to China lor. Stay in Singapore for what? 害人害己。So what even if my great grandparents did come from China? If they want to thank China, I won't stop them. But did China do anything for me when I grew up? Answer: No. So why should I like them?

 

Your ancestors evolved from monkeys too. Did you give thanks to the trees?  

Yes, I always pee at trees...

[Guest not hiding]

15 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

If China is so great, then you get that PRC doctor and his gold-digger wife to move to China lor. Stay in Singapore for what? 害人害己。So what even if my great grandparents did come from China? If they want to thank China, I won't stop them. But did China do anything for me when I grew up? Answer: No. So why should I like them?

 

Your ancestors evolved from monkeys too. Did you give thanks to the trees?  

In Singapore you always come up with so much hate and dislike against people coming here to work...on the other hand trying to upkeep the majority of a certain ethnic group...Then

always ask them to go back.

In the end still exploit those PRC workers:

At the hawker or elsewhere, employ a Singaporean need to pay 2.5k but employ someone from PR China do the same job only pay 1.2k...

Later still complaining...Doesn't seem logic to me...

[CKW]

4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Are you retreating now, you tiong-sympathizer? You seems to be avoiding the slow of your evidence to back up your claims that the VP really abused the tiong. And where are the supposed text messages? 

 

I am judging the case based on facts - it doesn't matter who is from China, or who is Malay, which one is the doctor, or which one is the vice-principal, or which one is gay, or which one is straight.

 

You keep asking for evidence of the VP's offences - you really think too highly of me. I'm neither the court nor the prosecutor.   

 

But you can write in to the court, and ask them to let you view all the court exhibits. They will surely schedule a date and time convenient to you for you to view them.  

 

West93 is right - you are being idiotic.  

Edited April 6, 2018 by CKW

[CKW]

12 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

All your claims have also been cross examined  in the past, and you were not able to back up any of your claims. 

 

Did the VP admitted in court that he agreed to the payment of $200k? Even if he did, was that his real intention to pay, or was it his intention to stall  for time so that the lawyer can be there to serve him the letter? FUrthermore, let's see those text messages that the doctor forced the VP to the agreement. Have they been submitted in court? If the world now is such that we dun need evidence to BACK UP baseless accusations,  then I can also accuse you of being a tiong-sympathizer who harbored enough dirty thoughts of screwing a PRC doctor that you are willing to accuse educators of any type of wrongdoings under this clear blue sky. 

 

Now, prove to us that you are innocent of my accusation. 

 

You like the VP so much, you can visit him everyday in Changi Prison once he goes in. Or better still, ask the court to let you serve his sentence on his behalf  

 

I don't need to prove anything to you - you are a nobody. 

[tomcat]

1 hour ago, Guest law prof said:

I don't think the statute of limitation applies for criminal matters

it differs from state to state, and depending on the crime itself.

the below is for rape:

http://www.revelist.com/feminism/statute-of-limitations-rape/4429/nebraska-no-statute-of-limitations-for-first-or-second-degree-offenses-three-years-for-other-felony-sex-offenses/28

are you a real law prof? you should know this...!

[LeanMature]

1 hour ago, tomcat said:

it differs from state to state, and depending on the crime itself.

the below is for rape:

http://www.revelist.com/feminism/statute-of-limitations-rape/4429/nebraska-no-statute-of-limitations-for-first-or-second-degree-offenses-three-years-for-other-felony-sex-offenses/28

are you a real law prof? you should know this...!

 

Justice must be served no matter how long it take.  No one should go scot free especially sexual assault/abuse against children, more so for an educator abusing his teenage pupil on the pretext of serving as a guardian after the boy's parent was deported. 

[West93]

7 minutes ago, LeanMature said:

 

Justice must be served no matter how long it take.  No one should go scot free especially sexual assault/abuse against children, more so for an educator abusing his teenage pupil on the pretext of serving as a guardian after the boy's parent was deported. 

 

Who decides what is abuse then? Is it not equally likely that said PRC doctor was a willing and consensual partner when he was younger? If we leave it entirely up to society to decide if someone's been abused where does that lead us down on the road of stripping individual agency? I'm not about to accord the protection of the law for someone who brought up accusations with mere words and accounts against someone else after said crime was supposedly committed years ago, no matter how bad the circumstances might seem to be against the one being fingered for the crime. 

[LeanMature]

3 minutes ago, West93 said:

 

Who decides what is abuse then? Is it not equally likely that said PRC doctor was a willing and consensual partner when he was younger? If we leave it entirely up to society to decide if someone's been abused where does that lead us down on the road of stripping individual agency? I'm not about to accord the protection of the law for someone who brought up accusations with mere words and accounts against someone else after said crime was supposedly committed years ago, no matter how bad the circumstances might seem to be against the one being fingered for the crime. 

 

The next hearing is on 9 Apr.  The Court will decide. Justice will be done. 

[Guest Guest]

5 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

In Singapore you always come up with so much hate and dislike against people coming here to work...on the other hand trying to upkeep the majority of a certain ethnic group...Then

always ask them to go back.

In the end still exploit those PRC workers:

At the hawker or elsewhere, employ a Singaporean need to pay 2.5k but employ someone from PR China do the same job only pay 1.2k...

Later still complaining...Doesn't seem logic to me...

 

So, you want us to like the extortionist? 

[Guest Guest]

17 hours ago, West93 said:

 

 

1) I don't use an iPhone. As for using a phone that isn't made in China, well show me one! Nowadays pretty much all phone tech is made in China. But I'm using a Sony phone, happy to support Japanese tech. 

2) Retailers don't really carry goods that aren't made in China because MIC goods are the best for their profit margins most of the time. I would rather pay more to support other countries' manufacturing capacity than support PRC. 

3) I never knew who my great great grandparents were. I don't even know their names, or how they look like. I have not been for Qing Ming pretty much all my life since I'm lucky to still have most if not all my extended family members still alive. And I'm not obliged to go for any. 

So in short, fuck you China IB, go get your fucking 50 cents per post. 

What china IB 50 cents per post?

 

You are infact a china lover, user of prc goods and service.

 

Please do not tell us you have no choice butbto buy prc products. There are goods and services that are not made in prc. Its a choice but sadly you gladly contributed to their wealth.

 

Even in ntuc, there are products that are not from china but you are so proud to buy prc products and give some crap reason about retailers carrying prc goods.

 

You hate china but gladly fill up their pockets because its easier...what reason is that?

 

I dislike hypocrites like you. Claim to hate but contribute to china's wealth which made them more arrogrant.

 

You are a fucking lazy idiot. Think only for yourself. With people like you, no wonder prc is getting richer by the day. You are feeding what they want most. Money. You are an asshole china lover.

[Guest Guest]

16 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

 

Just because I hate someone doesn't mean I am going to make it more inconvenient for myself to continue my normal course of life. If this person whom I hate is going to be so stupid to make my life easier for me even though I hate him, why should I deny that "goodwill"? But hell, I will still make things difficult for him as and when I can, with or without his "goodwill". 

 

Yes, I paid money to buy those made-in-China things. But are you willing to be paid money to be scolded? You must have really low dignity to willingly subject yourself to abuse just to earn money.  Since you know we hate China so much, you go tell your China not to sell things into Singapore lor. Why tell me not to buy? I am having the best of both worlds now. Scolding China while buying cheap things made in China.

 

Guess what? Life went on when China was a closed communist country. So, life will still go on when China stop selling things worldwide. 

 

LOL! You must be really stupid not to understand that.

 

 

Tiong lover spotted! Claim to hate tiongs but feed their economy and fill their country with what they want most which is money.

 

Strange that the so called china haters here are more than willing to buy ajd use prc goods and products..

 

Hypocrites.

 

There are alternatives to non prc products. But you chose not to buy because they are slightly more costly. You are infact a Tiong lover.

[Guest law prof]

13 hours ago, tomcat said:

it differs from state to state, and depending on the crime itself.

the below is for rape:

http://www.revelist.com/feminism/statute-of-limitations-rape/4429/nebraska-no-statute-of-limitations-for-first-or-second-degree-offenses-three-years-for-other-felony-sex-offenses/28

are you a real law prof? you should know this...!

if you browse through the list then most states don't have a limitation.

law profs sre educated for a certain jurisdiction and the US law deviates from the usual Common Law from English origin.

You expect too much from law professors

[Guest not hiding]

I would take a different approach to the whole matter:

1) The alleged victim could have let the matter rest maybe as appreciation for the vice principal to helping him to stay in Singapore.

2) However, would the victim take the effort to go through a court process?

3) what's the victims benefit? He wouldn't get any compensation in a criminal matter

4) Such processes are not easy for a victim because the whole dirty shit comes up again, sleepless nights, nightmares.

5) Maybe the victim eventually has an erectile dysfunction and thats maybe the reason his wife has pushed the alleged victim to go through the trial and to get past this matter for once and all.

6) From this angle and psychological background I would conclude that the alleged victim

7) If nothing happened, why should the victim destroy the vice principals life?

8) the alleged victim is now taking his revenge not to let the abuser go scotts free.

Let's be honest: the vice principal exploited the situation of the boy when he took him in after the boy's mother was repatriated.

From the logical conclusion it seems to me quite evident that the abuse has taken place.

[Guest not hiding]

6) From this angle and psychological background I would conclude that the alleged victim was abused by the vice principal

[CKW]

8 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

I would take a different approach to the whole matter:

1) The alleged victim could have let the matter rest maybe as appreciation for the vice principal to helping him to stay in Singapore.

2) However, would the victim take the effort to go through a court process?

3) what's the victims benefit? He wouldn't get any compensation in a criminal matter

4) Such processes are not easy for a victim because the whole dirty shit comes up again, sleepless nights, nightmares.

5) Maybe the victim eventually has an erectile dysfunction and thats maybe the reason his wife has pushed the alleged victim to go through the trial and to get past this matter for once and all.

6) From this angle and psychological background I would conclude that the alleged victim

7) If nothing happened, why should the victim destroy the vice principals life?

8) the alleged victim is now taking his revenge not to let the abuser go scotts free.

Let's be honest: the vice principal exploited the situation of the boy when he took him in after the boy's mother was repatriated.

From the logical conclusion it seems to me quite evident that the abuse has taken place.

 

Exactly my sentiments  

When I put myself in the victim's shoes and try to think as he would, I find that everything falls into place and makes sense. 

 

He even regretted the "extortion" on his part. Had he been personally after the VP's money, he would have repeatedly insisted in court that the VP owed him $200k. 

 

His testimony in court is very coherent and consistent. I believe the judge would see this too, being way smarter and wiser than I  

Edited April 7, 2018 by CKW

[Guest Guest]

9 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

I would take a different approach to the whole matter:

1) The alleged victim could have let the matter rest maybe as appreciation for the vice principal to helping him to stay in Singapore.

2) However, would the victim take the effort to go through a court process?

3) what's the victims benefit? He wouldn't get any compensation in a criminal matter

 

Because the alleged "victim" tried to extort the VP and it failed. And instead of getting the money that he wanted, he was served a Cease-and-Desist letter from a lawyer. So, in order to make himself appear more as the "victim" instead of the actual perpetrator, he went ahead to file a criminal case against the VP first.

 

9 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

4) Such processes are not easy for a victim because the whole dirty shit comes up again, sleepless nights, nightmares.

 

Which type of dirty shit would be easier for anyone to manage: (a) exposing himself as a poor victim who was abused by the VP, or (b) get exposed in the courts as an extortionist PRC doctor? Which one is the lesser evil?  

 

9 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

5) Maybe the victim eventually has an erectile dysfunction and thats maybe the reason his wife has pushed the alleged victim to go through the trial and to get past this matter for once and all.

 

That's what you say.

 

9 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

6) From this angle and psychological background I would conclude that the alleged victim was abused by the vice principal

 

Again, based on only what your groundless claim of his erectile dysfunction.

 

9 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

7) If nothing happened, why should the victim destroy the vice principals life?

8) the alleged victim is now taking his revenge not to let the abuser go scotts free.

 

Because, to the alleged "victim", attack is the best defence. So between filing the court case himself in the role of an abused victim and getting sued by the VP to take the role of an extortionist doctor, he would rather fire the first shot and claim himself the role of the victim first. 

 

9 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

 

Let's be honest: the vice principal exploited the situation of the boy when he took him in after the boy's mother was repatriated.

From the logical conclusion it seems to me quite evident that the abuse has taken place.

 

Your logic is flawed as it is based on groundless claims. Let's be honest. If the PRC had not tried extorting the VP, he would have a stronger case. But since he did, he has destroyed his own credibility in doing so. Even if this does not necessarily proves that the VP did not commit the acts, this gives rise to sufficient doubts if the abuse really even happened at all.  

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, CKW said:

 

Had he been personally after the VP's money, he would have repeatedly insisted in court that the VP owed him $200k. 

 

 

Wow .... so the courts would now believe that anyone is owed $200k just because someone says so??? Talking of which, dear CKW, where is the $1 million you owe me?

[Guest Guest]

On ‎3‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 6:23 PM, CKW said:

 

I prefer not to be too severe in my judgement on this matter, as I am also a very flawed person. 

  

PRCs are human too, my friend.  

 

So let's see how the case continues to develop.  

 

Are you very sure you would prefer not to be too severe in your judgement on this matter? What exactly is considered "severe" judgement to you? You meant to say for you to pass judgement that the VP is already guilty and not deserving of a fair trial is not "severe"? You already had a taste of what a groundless accusation is like already, and you want others to go through it without a fair consideration that they might not be guilty? What goes around will come around. Let's hope you suffer through more of such groundless accusation in life enough to know how to give others the benefit of doubt and/or a fair trial.

[Guest Guest]

On ‎4‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 10:38 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

Just because I hate someone doesn't mean I am going to make it more inconvenient for myself to continue my normal course of life. If this person whom I hate is going to be so stupid to make my life easier for me even though I hate him, why should I deny that "goodwill"? But hell, I will still make things difficult for him as and when I can, with or without his "goodwill". 

 

Yes, I paid money to buy those made-in-China things. But are you willing to be paid money to be scolded? You must have really low dignity to willingly subject yourself to abuse just to earn money.  Since you know we hate China so much, you go tell your China not to sell things into Singapore lor. Why tell me not to buy? I am having the best of both worlds now. Scolding China while buying cheap things made in China.

 

Guess what? Life went on when China was a closed communist country. So, life will still go on when China stop selling things worldwide. 

 

LOL! You must be really stupid not to understand that.

 

19 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Tiong lover spotted! Claim to hate tiongs but feed their economy and fill their country with what they want most which is money.

 

Strange that the so called china haters here are more than willing to buy ajd use prc goods and products..

 

Hypocrites.

 

There are alternatives to non prc products. But you chose not to buy because they are slightly more costly. You are infact a Tiong lover.

 

 

Your response has already been responded to, and it was responded in the very post which you responded to! 

No need for me to retype everything! LOL!

[Guest not hiding]

15 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Because the alleged "victim" tried to extort the VP and it failed. And instead of getting the money that he wanted, he was served a Cease-and-Desist letter from a lawyer. So, in order to make himself appear more as the "victim" instead of the actual perpetrator, he went ahead to file a criminal case against the VP first

 

It's the Vice Principal's lawyer who says "extortion".

You can see the victims reluctance to bring the matter to court.

Considering that he asked for 1 1/2 years to settle the matter out of court.

It's not uncommon that such things are settled by a money payment.

However, making the police report took his "chances" for receiving any money.

You see it as such that the' alleged victim is trying to clear his name.

On the other hand the Vice Principal never charged him for extortion.

 

15 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Which type of dirty shit would be easier for anyone to manage: (a) exposing himself as a poor victim who was abused by the VP, or (b) get exposed in the courts as an extortionist PRC doctor? Which one is the lesser evil?  

 

 

You don't consider what abused victims go through in a court trial. Your statement is very respectless towards real abuse victims.

 

15 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

That's what you say.

 

 

Again, based on only what your groundless claim of his erectile dysfunction.

 

That was just an example to explain his motivation. I never said he has.

 

15 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Because, to the alleged "victim", attack is the best defence. So between filing the court case himself in the role of an abused victim and getting sued by the VP to take the role of an extortionist doctor, he would rather fire the first shot and claim himself the role of the victim first. 

 

 

Your logic is flawed as it is based on groundless claims. Let's be honest. If the PRC had not tried extorting the VP, he would have a stronger case. But since he did, he has destroyed his own credibility in doing so. Even if this does not necessarily proves that the VP did not commit the acts, this gives rise to sufficient doubts if the abuse really even happened at all.  

 

My logic is not flawed. From the start I based it on a psychological perspective and put myself into the shoes of the alleged victim.

 

Some more points:

(i) Something serious must have happened that the alleged victim started acting against the vice principal. What triggered his move to go against the vice principal in 2013?

(Was the Vice principal unhappy about the alleged victim dating a girl? / threatening to move out?)

 

(ii) As to my knowledge the vice principal is single. I m not sure if he was married or ever was married. Even for a single parent life is quite stressfull. Would a single person take up such a task and take in the child of someone else? A lot of altruism...

The Vice Principal should have had some personal motives.

 

(iii) Why would the alleged victim, who is now a Singaporean, take a risk on his professional life, marriage and charge someone who "came to his help" and whom he should have been thankful of?

Just to extort money? Or go through the pain of a court trial? The court matter cannot compensate for any abuse, in fact, it can only clarify on the abuse.

 

We might never know the outcome of the case because the VICE Principal can still settle in private under the condition that the victim withdraws his matter.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

 

It's the Vice Principal's lawyer who says "extortion".

You can see the victims reluctance to bring the matter to court.

Considering that he asked for 1 1/2 years to settle the matter out of court.

It's not uncommon that such things are settled by a money payment.

However, making the police report took his "chances" for receiving any money.

You see it as such that the' alleged victim is trying to clear his name.

On the other hand the Vice Principal never charged him for extortion.

 

The doctor has already admitted it in court he attempted to extort the VP.

 

2 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

You don't consider what abused victims go through in a court trial. Your statement is very respectless towards real abuse victims.

 

 

That was just an example to explain his motivation. I never said he has.

 

 

My logic is not flawed. From the start I based it on a psychological perspective and put myself
into the shoes of the alleged victim.

 

You have already assumed the doctor was a victim. If all judicial systems work the way you do, why bother to have judges?

 

 

3 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

 

Some more points:

(i) Something serious must have happened that the alleged victim started acting against the vice principal. What triggered his move to go against the vice principal in 2013?

(Was the Vice principal unhappy about the alleged victim dating a girl? / threatening to move out?)

 

Yes, the doctor got married and bought a condo. He tried extorting the VP unsuccessfully on the wife's advice to get more money out to pay for the condo. But since the VP served the doctor with a cease-and-desist lawyer letter instead, the 29 years old panicked and tried acting as a victim first, and claimed the abuse.

 

3 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

 

(ii) As to my knowledge the vice principal is single. I m not sure if he was married or ever was married. Even for a single parent life is quite stressfull. Would a single person take up such a task and take in the child of someone else? A lot of altruism...

The Vice Principal should have had some personal motives.

 

 

Excuse me... an easy majority of people o this forum are single. Are we all so stressful enough to commit crimes?

 

3 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

(iii) Why would the alleged victim, who is now a Singaporean, take a risk on his professional life, marriage and charge someone who "came to his help" and whom he should have been thankful of?

Just to extort money? Or go through the pain of a court trial? The court matter cannot compensate for any abuse, in fact, it can only clarify on the abuse.

 

His motives has been explained over and over again. He is a gold digger who made a failed extortion attempt, and tried playing the role of a victim now to cover his own tracks of a perpetrator.

[CKW]

10 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

 

It's the Vice Principal's lawyer who says "extortion".

You can see the victims reluctance to bring the matter to court.

Considering that he asked for 1 1/2 years to settle the matter out of court.

It's not uncommon that such things are settled by a money payment.

However, making the police report took his "chances" for receiving any money.

You see it as such that the' alleged victim is trying to clear his name.

On the other hand the Vice Principal never charged him for extortion....

 

Excellent reply!! 

You have a very good legal mind.

 

Although if you've noticed, most of us have stopped replying to this Guest troll    who repeatedly resorts to using vulgarities, name-calling and other abusive language when he cannot win our arguments.

 

I suspect he is a close friend or possibly even the boyfriend of the VP, hence his extremely skewed and biased view of the case.

 

I don't mind if people choose to sympathise with the VP. I can respectfully disagree with people. After all, that is what a forum is for.

 

But to constantly resort to name-calling and abusive langauge makes it impossible for me to respect the other party.

 

Once again Mr Not Hiding, thank you for seeing things with such clarity.  

Edited April 8, 2018 by CKW

[CKW]

9 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

(ii) As to my knowledge the vice principal is single. I m not sure if he was married or ever was married. Even for a single parent life is quite stressfull. Would a single person take up such a task and take in the child of someone else? A lot of altruism...

The Vice Principal should have had some personal motives.

 

Yes, he definitely wanted to sexually groom the boy. That was why he repeatedly masturbated the boy, to make him associate sexual pleasure with being pleasured by men from a young age.

 

For some reason, it didn't work, as the guy told the court that everytime the VP masturbated him (whether by hand or mouth), he would think about girls.

 

In fact, when the VP found out that the boy thought about the opposite sex each time he was masturbated by the VP, he was furious (the Chinese press mentioned this).

Edited April 8, 2018 by CKW

[CKW]

11 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

(i) Something serious must have happened that the alleged victim started acting against the vice principal. What triggered his move to go against the vice principal in 2013?

(Was the Vice principal unhappy about the alleged victim dating a girl? / threatening to move out?)

 

You are asking what prompted him to sever all ties with the VP in 2013? Yes, it was his then girlfriend.

 

Apparently, during a European vacation with the VP, he met the girl, whom he liked. But throughout the trip, the VP repeatedly made it very difficult for the guy to chat with the girl.

 

When they came back to S'pore, the guy managed to track the girl down via FB, met up with her, and started dating her. When they kissed for the first time, the girl asked him if it was his first kiss.

 

The guy lied at first and said yes. Later on, he admitted to the girl that prior to that, the VP had forcibly kissed him on many occasions. And that was when he told her everything. I believe she was the first third party person to know about it.

 

So it was her idea for him to move out as soon as possible, sever all ties with the VP, and to stay in the NUS hostel for the time being. 

 

Being much older and more independent, it was possible for him to do so, as compared to when he was 14. Also, he lied to the VP that he had told his parents about the abuse.

 

That terrified the VP. That was why the VP relented so easily and didn't attempt to force the guy to remain in his flat. 

 

Also, the guy did mention that the VP was someone who liked to throw tantrums. If the boy resisted his sexual advances, the VP would fly into a rage, and say things like, "If it wasn't for me, you'd be sent back to China, just like your mother!"

 

Also, the VP would get angry each time the boy said that he thought about girls when he was being masturbated by the VP. And when the boy failed to get an erection during their sexual acts, the VP would get angry also. Yes, the Chinese press mentioned that too  

 

Just imagine: the guy was not staying free in the VP's house. He was paying the VP $300 a month, and paying everything else (school fees, daily expenses, etc.) by himself. On top of that, he had to put up with the VP's temper tantrums (e.g. when he said 'no' to having sex with the VP), emotional blackmail, and sexual abuse.

 

In fact, the VP's temper tantrums were so bad that the boy even had to make a Thank You and Sorry card to the VP during his JC days. 

 

Imagine if your boss verbally abuses you a lot, and you hope that he/she will treat you better after you make a Thank You and Sorry card for the boss.

 

That's why I really feel for the boy. It's nothing to do with him being from China, contrary to what the Guest troll keeps accusing me of.

 

It's just me being human. Had the boy been a Malay, and the VP a Chinese man, I would still side with the boy.

Edited April 8, 2018 by CKW

[LeanMature]

16 minutes ago, CKW said:

 

You are asking what prompted him to sever all ties with the VP in 2013? Yes, it was his then girlfriend.

 

Apparently, during a European vacation with the VP, he met the girl, whom he liked. But throughout the trip, the VP repeatedly made it very difficult for the guy to chat with the girl.

 

When they came back to S'pore, the guy managed to track the girl down via FB, met up with her, and started dating her. When they kissed for the first time, the girl asked him if it was his first kiss.

 

The guy lied at first and said yes. Later on, he admitted to the girl that prior to that, the VP had forcibly kissed him on many occasions. And that was when he told her everything. I believe she was the first third party person to know about it.

 

So it was her idea for him to move out as soon as possible, sever all ties with the VP, and to stay in the NUS hostel for the time being. 

 

Being much older and more independent, it was possible for him to do so, as compared to when he was 14. Also, he lied to the VP that he had told his parents about the abuse.

 

That was why the VP relented so easily and didn't not attempt to force the guy to remain in his flat. 

 

Also, the guy did mention that the VP was someone who liked to throw tantrums. If the boy resisted his sexual advances, the VP would fly into a rage, and say things like, "If it wasn't for me, you'd be sent back to China, just like your mother!"

 

In fact, the VP's temper tantrums were so bad that the boy even had to make a Thank You and Sorry card to the VP during his JC days. 

 

Just imagine: the guy was not staying free in the VP's house. He was paying the VP $300 a month, and paying everything else (school fees, daily expenses, etc.) by himself. On top of that, he had to put up with the VP's temper tantrums, emotional blackmail, and sexual abuse.

 

If what was reported in the Press was true, then he lost his first virgin kiss to the ex-VP and the ex-VP get to juice a 14 yo fresh meat.  It was indeed exploitation by all account to learn that having to pay $300 a month rental just to be sexually abused.  Now is payback time.    

[LeanMature]

51 minutes ago, CKW said:

 

Excellent reply!! 

You have a very good legal mind.

 

Although if you've noticed, most of us have stopped reply to this Guest troll  who repeatedly resorts to using vulgarities, name-calling and other abusive language when he cannot win our arguments.

 

I suspect he is a close friend or possibly even the boyfriend of the VP, hence his extremely skewed and biased view on the case.

 

I don't mind if people choose to sympathise with the VP. I can respectfully disagree with people. After all, that is what a forum is for.

 

But to constantly resort to name-calling and abusive langauge makes it impossible for me to respect the other party.

 

Once again Mr Not Hiding, thank you for seeing things with such clarity.  

 

If it happened to be PRC VP vs local boy, perhaps the situation will be reversed.  

[CKW]

22 minutes ago, LeanMature said:

 

If what was reported in the Press was true, then he lost his first virgin kiss to the ex-VP and the ex-VP get to juice a 14 yo fresh meat.  It was indeed exploitation by all account to learn that having to pay $300 a month rental just to be sexually abused.  Now is payback time.    

 

Yeah man. At first I thought that he stayed free in the VP's house. But then the guy showed evidence in court that there was a monthly $300 rental.

 

For the guy, it's really to his credit that he turned out mentally okay, became a doctor, and married. Somemore he still kept the matter from his parents because he did not want them to feel guilty about what happened to him.

 

I also admire his discipline to study. I think if it was me, being left all alone in a foreign country at such a young age, I would have played computer games non-stop and flunk all my exams. Don't talk about being a doctor - I'll probably can't even pass sec 4! And then blame my parents!  

[CKW]

43 minutes ago, LeanMature said:

 

If it happened to be PRC VP vs local boy, perhaps the situation will be reversed.  

 

Yeah man. Definitely. Then that Guest troll will say that PRCs should not hold positions of power in Singapore, all PRCs are sexual predators, etc. He definitely won't call the local boy a "gold-digger" for demanding the $200k thing.

 

Anyway, I try to judge the case base on the moral, ethical and legal implications, and not be swayed by any person's race or nationality. Hence, I feel that the VP needs to be served justice for what he did. Never mind that he and I are both gay. What he did was wrong in the eyes of the law. 

 

Being gay doesn't mean that one can abuse young boys any more than being straight gives a man the right to abuse young girls.

 

And I would hardly call myself a "tiong sympathiser" as I personally find Yang Yin (the China guy who conned the wealthy local lady of her life savings) truly deserving of his lengthy jail sentence.

Edited April 8, 2018 by CKW

[Guest WTH]

17 minutes ago, CKW said:

 

You are asking what prompted him to sever all ties with the VP in 2013? Yes, it was his then girlfriend.

 

Apparently, during a European vacation with the VP, he met the girl, whom he liked. But throughout the trip, the VP repeatedly made it very difficult for the guy to chat with the girl.

 

When they came back to S'pore, the guy managed to track the girl down via FB, met up with her, and started dating her. When they kissed for the first time, the girl asked him if it was his first kiss.

 

The guy lied at first and said yes. Later on, he admitted to the girl that prior to that, the VP had forcibly kissed him on many occasions. And that was when he told her everything. I believe she was the first third party person to know about it.

 

So it was her idea for him to move out as soon as possible, sever all ties with the VP, and to stay in the NUS hostel for the time being. 

 

Being much older and more independent, it was possible for him to do so, as compared to when he was 14. Also, he lied to the VP that he had told his parents about the abuse.

 

That was why the VP relented so easily and didn't not attempt to force the guy to remain in his flat. 

 

Also, the guy did mention that the VP was someone who liked to throw tantrums. If the boy resisted his sexual advances, the VP would fly into a rage, and say things like, "If it wasn't for me, you'd be sent back to China, just like your mother!"

 

Just imagine: the guy was not staying free in the VP's house. He was paying the VP $300 a month, and paying everything else (school fees, daily expenses, etc.) by himself. On top of that, he had to put up with the VP's temper tantrums (when he said 'no' to having sex with the VP), emotional blackmail, and sexual abuse.

 

In fact, the VP's temper tantrums were so bad that the boy even had to make a Thank You and Sorry card to the VP during his JC days. 

 

Imagine if your boss verbally abuses you a lot, and you hope that he/she will treat you better after you make a Thank You and Sorry card for the boss.

 

That's why I really feel for the boy. It's nothing to do with him being from China, contrary to what the Guest troll keeps accusing me of.

 

It's just me being human. Had the boy been a Malay, and the VP a Chinese man, I would still side with the boy.

Wow ! Thanks CKW for filling up the details. The additional news are from the Chinese newspapers I guess cos I never read them. If after weighing on the accounts and the court found the VP guilty, then I totally feel for the boy / doctor. Even before the court judgement, I would given the doctor the benefit of the doubt.  If the VP had exploited a full grown man who is capable of providing  for himself,  then I would have sided the VP and think the affair was consensual and the doctor was indeed an extortionist who's putting a fast one on the VP. If the VP was guilty,  it is so very despicable of him to exploit the young boy, the fact being made worse given that he is an EDUCATOR. Being EDUCATORS,  I hold them to the highest moral standards as they are given the sacred task of guiding our youngsters to the right path.  If proven the VP is guilty,  I hope the court will here the maximum punishment on the VP.  it's sad that he escaped caning given his age. He should deserve strokes to his buttocks. It's a shame the identity are undisclosed. If the VP is convicted,  his identity should be undisclosed so that the world would know who this despicable character is. 

 

Just to add what CKW said about guess troll, he could also likely be a PRC hater. To that guest, hey bro,  if your career opportunities have been taken over by PRCs or you could have been taken advantage by them, feel sorry for you but you seriously need to move on. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.  China is going to be the next super power after US whether we like it or not. We need to adapt and accept our Chinese counterparts no matter our differences.  Singaporeans are not perfect ourselves either.  We need to embrace the China wave and work with our PRCs friends for the greater good of both our economies. It's good that our government and society at large are receptive to the changes. Bro , you need to abolish the negative perceptions and embrace the changes. Else you may find yourself left behind while the society progresses and you have no one to blame except yourself  !