Guest Yuck Posted September 26, 2023 Report Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/23/2023 at 8:05 PM, Guest Unhygienic said: Very good excuse that whole day, all the rooms are always occupied. Toilet, cubicles and the steam room smell worst than public toilet!! Dettol can't even help! BTW, KB can afford to spend on the Dettol? Knowing KB management style, they will not spend or can't afford such money on the cleanliness! Imo customer should be the one who keep the cubicle clean... Its like toilet. You go inside you use it, you make sure it's clean for the next person... But Singaporean Omg, pee on the seat. Have shit all over the bowl and edge of the seat. Etc. Damn disgusting. My foreigner friend thought Singapore are so clean. Yuck the people are so dirty. It's the migrant worker and cleaners who keep it clean. And people grow up with entitlement thinking that cleanliness is some one else responsibility. Example you... How about you clean your mess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dettol Posted September 26, 2023 Report Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/23/2023 at 8:05 PM, Guest Unhygienic said: Very good excuse that whole day, all the rooms are always occupied. Toilet, cubicles and the steam room smell worst than public toilet!! Dettol can't even help! BTW, KB can afford to spend on the Dettol? Knowing KB management style, they will not spend or can't afford such money on the cleanliness! You want go Ten Men, the worker got a lot of empty floor to mop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldie Posted September 26, 2023 Report Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/22/2023 at 4:53 PM, Guest newbie said: I think, if they have a cafe, its going to be taken over by all the ah pehs watching Channel 8 and eating instant mee. Did they install holders on the walls to the tables for the artificial dentures also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fresh Posted September 26, 2023 Report Share Posted September 26, 2023 On 9/23/2023 at 12:46 PM, Guest Unhygienic said: Precisely, the saunas already so dirty and lack of cleaning. And now, a cafe added to serve beverages n maybe cup noodles to eat there?? Please eat ít at your own risk !! No, the fresh meat is only inside the maze... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brain Posted September 26, 2023 Report Share Posted September 26, 2023 11 hours ago, Guest Yuck said: Imo customer should be the one who keep the cubicle clean... Its like toilet. You go inside you use it, you make sure it's clean for the next person... But Singaporean Omg, pee on the seat. Have shit all over the bowl and edge of the seat. Etc. Damn disgusting. My foreigner friend thought Singapore are so clean. Yuck the people are so dirty. It's the migrant worker and cleaners who keep it clean. And people grow up with entitlement thinking that cleanliness is some one else responsibility. Example you... How about you clean your mess? You ask too much about him as shops here don't sell brain cleaners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 26, 2023 Report Share Posted September 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, Guest fresh said: No, the fresh meat is only inside the maze... All the fresh meat were contaminated by the bacteria inside the dark area. KB cannot afford Dettol to sanitize the premises! So sad .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sanity Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 But for sure KB sanatized the area, namely by blocking you into KB and having cancelled your KB Membership. Why else would you write all these sour grape and negative comments here day in, day out... This is how the infectious bacteria is kept out of KB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Reno Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Anyone knows when the reno will be completed? The space is so limited with the ongoing reno, so don't think I'd visit again until after it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Reno Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Guest Reno said: Anyone knows when the reno will be completed? The space is so limited with the ongoing reno, so don't think I'd visit again until after it's done. Reno will be completed by next Monday After that you can see cafe, a lounge area and 3 rooms for rent for over-nite stay Also they have converted the smoking area to an open air jacuzzi , In the cafe there will be simple finger food selling - Popiah and curry puff there will also be box of Nasi Lemak and Mee Goreng for sales at $4 each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefuck Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Can be quite interesting as daddy was there last sunday, it kind of gathered many of us together at the room areas. Damn, the rooms are utilized heavily. But it can be damn fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinosaur Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 Renovation is complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpan Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dinosaur said: Renovation is complete. Is the chilli crab from the cafe nice ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pinocchio Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Guest Peterpan said: Is the chilli crab from the cafe nice ? I can't wait to try their Fermented TouFu, 臭豆腐! Signature dish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest B Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 4:39 PM, whitefuck said: Can be quite interesting as daddy was there last sunday, it kind of gathered many of us together at the room areas. Damn, the rooms are utilized heavily. But it can be damn fun Oh? Daddy was there? In which alternate universe pray tell? I'd like to go to that universe where you actually exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Who Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Is the maze open ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stev202020 Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Guest Who said: Is the maze open ? Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 280 Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Guest Who said: Is the maze open ? Yes. It is now linked underground to clarke quay mrt station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yesterday Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 16 hours ago, Guest 280 said: Yes. It is now linked underground to clarke quay mrt station. I was there last nite , wow happening sia The new KB is so nice. Now the admission comes with first free drink, u can claim it at the cafe. Also if u collect 5 stamps, u can redeem a free snack at the cafe. Now they are running promotion, they are selling 12 visits-pass for $12 , for first 100 customer only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guess Guest Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 17 hours ago, Guest 280 said: Yes. It is now linked underground to clarke quay mrt station. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CBT Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Guest Yesterday said: I was there last nite , wow happening sia The new KB is so nice. Now the admission comes with first free drink, u can claim it at the cafe. Also if u collect 5 stamps, u can redeem a free snack at the cafe. Now they are running promotion, they are selling 12 visits-pass for $12 , for first 100 customer only. A sauna is a place to meet guys and have fun, it shouldn't double up as a cafe. If you eat and later kiss a guy, this simply doesn't cut. On the $12 promotion for the first 100 customers, it would likely be snapped up by the regulars lkk boomers, whom are regulars there. Makes no marketing point. In fact, this would have sealed its position as a senior citizen centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superman888 Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 Hihi, entry fee is as per telegram channel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superman888 Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 Where the keyboard is it opposite the jumbo seafood?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 31 minutes ago, Guest CBT said: A sauna is a place to meet guys and have fun, it shouldn't double up as a cafe. If you eat and later kiss a guy, this simply doesn't cut. On the $12 promotion for the first 100 customers, it would likely be snapped up by the regulars lkk boomers, whom are regulars there. Makes no marketing point. In fact, this would have sealed its position as a senior citizen centre. What happen to the gym n smoking area? Still existing? Entrance still $22? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Saturday Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 Was so ridiculous, like the rooms were constantly occupied. And it's not like one old man sleeping in there, like people are going in in pairs (strangely limited moaning). Essentially they demolish the gym, split out 3 cubicles around the entrance to the Maze, Maze inside they added two cubicles. However all no lube (do bring lube). The cinema they close, still got people go inside sit, cos no place sit. As for old people, the concentration was higher, but they were fucking each other so good on y'all, it's an improvement, they aren't just finding fresh meat. As for the statues, they are still there, I don't really mind them, they don't take up cubicle space, just corridor space. Honestly right Keybox, y'all need to add more rooms, like some of the big rooms just convert to cubicles, cos not like anyone going to use up so much space. And frankly some of the walls, and corridors could be slightly more space efficient to squeeze two or three more cubicles. Saturday was a nightmare, no cubicle at all. All used up despite the new addition to supply. Maybe y'all should consider hacking out the pool, it's space inefficient and doesn't use your rental efficiently like the maze, the sauna and the steamroom. You're better off converting that into more usable space. I'm surprised y'all left such a large cafe, but I don't think it be just cafe given y'all already put in locker. All in all, wish y'all atb, but y'all really need more space. Maybe time to consider the capsule concept and start stacking cubicles up, because the ceiling is very high but you only have one level of cubicles for people to fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K board Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 3 hours ago, superman888 said: Where the keyboard is it opposite the jumbo seafood?. No. Keyboard is in front of your PC. Keybox is at 17 Upper circular road , Hello Mr , Google map and u , have your 2 met ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Analyse Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Guest Saturday said: Was so ridiculous, like the rooms were constantly occupied. And it's not like one old man sleeping in there, like people are going in in pairs (strangely limited moaning). Essentially they demolish the gym, split out 3 cubicles around the entrance to the Maze, Maze inside they added two cubicles. However all no lube (do bring lube). The cinema they close, still got people go inside sit, cos no place sit. As for old people, the concentration was higher, but they were fucking each other so good on y'all, it's an improvement, they aren't just finding fresh meat. As for the statues, they are still there, I don't really mind them, they don't take up cubicle space, just corridor space. Honestly right Keybox, y'all need to add more rooms, like some of the big rooms just convert to cubicles, cos not like anyone going to use up so much space. And frankly some of the walls, and corridors could be slightly more space efficient to squeeze two or three more cubicles. Saturday was a nightmare, no cubicle at all. All used up despite the new addition to supply. Maybe y'all should consider hacking out the pool, it's space inefficient and doesn't use your rental efficiently like the maze, the sauna and the steamroom. You're better off converting that into more usable space. I'm surprised y'all left such a large cafe, but I don't think it be just cafe given y'all already put in locker. All in all, wish y'all atb, but y'all really need more space. Maybe time to consider the capsule concept and start stacking cubicles up, because the ceiling is very high but you only have one level of cubicles for people to fuck. wow write so much , KB didnt consult u before their reno - wasted sia Now, go leave your contact w the boss, I am sure there will be future opportunity for your talent to be used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Agree Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Guest CBT said: A sauna is a place to meet guys and have fun, it shouldn't double up as a cafe. If you eat and later kiss a guy, this simply doesn't cut. On the $12 promotion for the first 100 customers, it would likely be snapped up by the regulars lkk boomers, whom are regulars there. Makes no marketing point. In fact, this would have sealed its position as a senior citizen centre. IF I agree w you , then u shd tell the boss to remove the followings 1. TV 2. Drinking 3. Sauna 4. Steam room 5. Gym 6. the Jacuzzi Please tell starbuck to chase away those hoarding the seat to study, to sell insurance, to sit there order nothing but enjoy air cond U shd also wrote to National Library , that library is for ppl to borrow and return books, for now hoarding the seats to enjoy , to read newspaper, to do homework , to use free wifi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mary Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 5 hours ago, Guest Guess Guest said: 🤣 When u tell story , u give full detail and half When U turn left is to Clark Quay , if u turn right u read Chinatown MRT , there is a new construction underway that links u to Fort canning station Btw, KB works with Songfa next door, if u show them your KB card , u give a free drink at Songfa So clever hor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsmith1 Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 Just went KB in the noon…. They already removed the gym and replace few seats n tables for pple eating. The tv room is empty. they are trying to improve the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FunLoving Posted October 1, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) Hahaha, why do you all guys keep mentioning about a new cafe in Keybox??? That is no such cafe just so you all know.. Lol 😅😅😅😅😅 ▶ After the renovation: •Gym completely removed & the table & bench shifted slightly inside.. & with all the 20 metal lockers shifted to other side facing the TV! •Smoking area still the same at the back area (No change)!! •All tables & chairs completely removed from the TV room & the TV is OFF!.. but the 8 metal lockers are still inside the TV room for customers' use! •The gym will be set up inside the TV room! (Coming soon)!!! •2 newly erected (no pun intended 😅😅) private cubicles just before the entrance to the newly renovated dark maze, but yet to put new mattress/bed onto the platform!!! •So there is now a total of 17 private rooms/cubicles in Keybox. •Jacuzzi, dry sauna & steam room & the upstairs mini dark room still remains the same (No change)!! •If you're a Keybox member, join their Telegram channel for cheaper rates!! •As for non-member (tourists or visitors or locals/PRs who doesn't wanna be a member) the per entry rate is still $22/-. •As for the crowd, it's still a mix of twinks, masculine or muscular & stocky guys.. & mature daddies & of course some uncles as well!! ✓Hope some of this information helps for those newbies or members who have not been to kB for quite awhile!! 😅😅😅😅😅🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Edited October 1, 2023 by FunLoving kinkienips, paulsmith1, sharked and 2 others 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guess Guest Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 KB 100% bottoms club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lousy Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 2 hours ago, paulsmith1 said: Just went KB in the noon…. They already removed the gym and replace few seats n tables for pple eating. The tv room is empty. they are trying to improve the place. The new KeyBox SUCKS BIG TIME!! Wasted my $22 !! Bad, real bad layout n the place is clamped. No moving space at all. Ventilation is really bad. I dun think I will visit again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guess Guest Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Guest Mary said: When u tell story , u give full detail and half When U turn left is to Clark Quay , if u turn right u read Chinatown MRT , there is a new construction underway that links u to Fort canning station Btw, KB works with Songfa next door, if u show them your KB card , u give a free drink at Songfa So clever hor Mary, you respond to wrong post.😱🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Condom Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 Like the uncle in the front counter forgot give me condom, or is it see I bottom didn't even bother to give me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cafe Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 6 hours ago, FunLoving said: Hahaha, why do you all guys keep mentioning about a new cafe in Keybox??? That is no such cafe just so you all know.. Lol 😅😅😅😅😅 ▶ After the renovation: •Gym completely removed & the table & bench shifted slightly inside.. & with all the 20 metal lockers shifted to other side facing the TV! •Smoking area still the same at the back area (No change)!! •All tables & chairs completely removed from the TV room & the TV is OFF!.. but the 8 metal lockers are still inside the TV room for customers' use! •The gym will be set up inside the TV room! (Coming soon)!!! •2 newly erected (no pun intended 😅😅) private cubicles just before the entrance to the newly renovated dark maze, but yet to put new mattress/bed onto the platform!!! •So there is now a total of 17 private rooms/cubicles in Keybox. •Jacuzzi, dry sauna & steam room & the upstairs mini dark room still remains the same (No change)!! •If you're a Keybox member, join their Telegram channel for cheaper rates!! •As for non-member (tourists or visitors or locals/PRs who doesn't wanna be a member) the per entry rate is still $22/-. •As for the crowd, it's still a mix of twinks, masculine or muscular & stocky guys.. & mature daddies & of course some uncles as well!! ✓Hope some of this information helps for those newbies or members who have not been to kB for quite awhile!! 😅😅😅😅😅🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Just left the place . Nice cafe I was chatting with a guy at the cafe and the owner ordered songfa from next door the boss gave me $10 songfa voucher he told me can order and they will serve over ….. wow so nice KB tied in with songfa he told me next party he will have songfa buffet Also going forward he will provide bathrobe for people staying over night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunLoving Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, Guest Cafe said: Just left the place . Nice cafe I was chatting with a guy at the cafe and the owner ordered songfa from next door the boss gave me $10 songfa voucher he told me can order and they will serve over ….. wow so nice KB tied in with songfa he told me next party he will have songfa buffet Also going forward he will provide bathrobe for people staying over night 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNGRYBTMS Posted October 1, 2023 Report Share Posted October 1, 2023 In return Song Fa will give $10 Voucher to Song Fa Male customers....wow..good deal with more str8 coming intoKB. Good Collaboration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC-B Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Guest Cafe said: Just left the place . Nice cafe I was chatting with a guy at the cafe and the owner ordered songfa from next door the boss gave me $10 songfa voucher he told me can order and they will serve over ….. wow so nice KB tied in with songfa he told me next party he will have songfa buffet Also going forward he will provide bathrobe for people staying over night Fancy that—suck and eat pig bones before and/ or after sucking and eating boners! 🤪🦴🍆 cutejack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HEAR SAY Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 9 hours ago, FunLoving said: 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 A friend of mine personally knows the boss . he told me the boss is planning to rent upstaire as well to expand wow KB doing so well , despite all those condemning , so result speaks for itself despite dirty , sting, rude, etc etc, ppl are expanding and doing reno Just like LV regardless rain or shine, economy up or down or war, and not even leather but PVC the price just keep going up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharked Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 lol wth is wrong with this thread lately, since it was unlocked by the moderator, i see one useful / real post for every 5-6 troll posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gay Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 Not young anymore so sometimes go kb got adventures sometimes empty handed. All for every alternative visits, can get 3 guys to f me. The best visit recently was got f by a guy with very thick cock. Damn painful and requested him to apply more lube midway but he ignored me and kept pumping real hard in missionary. He kept pressing down my legs to lift my ass. Had to placed my hands under legs to keep him from pumping all the way in. Guess some guys like to see pain in their prey faces. 5min later got another guy f me in the maze. Bcos my hole already wide from the previous guy, this time no pain at all and enjoyed the pumping in doggie. 10min later got f in the steam room. Standing doggie. The guy came in a while. Got a guy to masterbate me in the steam room to release. Left sextisfied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 hours ago, sharked said: lol wth is wrong with this thread lately, since it was unlocked by the moderator, i see one useful / real post for every 5-6 troll posts. You are right. This/These Guest(s) seem to be some disgruntled and banned patrons to Keybox and one having a grudge on the owner... Just wonder why people aren't thinking positive about renovations in such places? Any renovation will have pros and cons, but at least something is done... instead of letting the place run down... Those establishments don't open with the intention to be 5* recreation and beauty centers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutejack Posted October 2, 2023 Report Share Posted October 2, 2023 22 hours ago, Guest Agree said: IF I agree w you , then u shd tell the boss to remove the followings 1. TV 2. Drinking 3. Sauna 4. Steam room 5. Gym 6. the Jacuzzi Please tell starbuck to chase away those hoarding the seat to study, to sell insurance, to sit there order nothing but enjoy air cond U shd also wrote to National Library , that library is for ppl to borrow and return books, for now hoarding the seats to enjoy , to read newspaper, to do homework , to use free wifi If the boss remove everything u listed above, it is called hotel. Not a sauna. Please la ,hello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Reno Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 The reno still the same as Sunday, half done state. I think Keybox need more space, but your location quite good for ppl walk over from CBD. Or right we need capsule spaces to house more couples using the cubicles. Maze shouldn't reduce because it has very high density on weekends. Maybe like the room ceiling so high, go stack pods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kirschfiev Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 Is it still haunted by the same spirits? They shd settle this issue during the renovation period... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cute your head Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 4:05 PM, cutejack said: If the boss remove everything u listed above, it is called hotel. Not a sauna. Please la ,hello. U r lucky the mod deleted my respond ............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Truth Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 11 hours ago, Guest Reno said: The reno still the same as Sunday, half done state. I think Keybox need more space, but your location quite good for ppl walk over from CBD. Or right we need capsule spaces to house more couples using the cubicles. Maze shouldn't reduce because it has very high density on weekends. Maybe like the room ceiling so high, go stack pods. The Maze is reduce n expand the cafe reason being that KB has lesser crowds lately. John has offended and ban a lot customers. So he is trying to increase income by renting out the 3 rooms n make some revenue from the cafe. Good luck John. Long live KB ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Cum 2x Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 I was there on last Friday 9/29 and lots of guys around 4pm. Ended up fucking 2 fit cuties. They sucked me at the same time first. Couldn't have asked for more. Wanna do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nope Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 9 hours ago, Guest Truth said: The Maze is reduce n expand the cafe reason being that KB has lesser crowds lately. John has offended and ban a lot customers. So he is trying to increase income by renting out the 3 rooms n make some revenue from the cafe. Good luck John. Long live KB ! They didn't reduce the maze. They take the gym, give some of it to the maze and 2 rooms, and they made the instant mee corner big. Then the old movie room empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinosaur Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 They added 3 more rooms, increase the maze area as well with 2 standing room and the maze has been completely renewed. Flooring tiles changed , maze walls brand new and entrance is wider too. I feel it is better la. The old tv room will become a gym room. New equipments are coming in. jakedude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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