City Harvest Church Discussion - Kong Hee & Sun Ho (Compiled)

[Guest Guest]

Please do your research!

 

Sun Ho had a number of No. 1 hits on the United States Billboard Charts, the United Kingdom Musicweek Charts and the Spanish dance charts.

 

Jesus was blessing her all the way to the top of the charts.

 

maybe you should do your own research, it's already known that Kong Kee and Sun Ho have been using the funds to buy fame for her own 

[lohwpr]

When I look at all the Sun's videos, I really can't see any Christian messages or any positive meaning in them. I think many would agree with me.

 

While all these videos and activities is supposed to "to advance the kingdom of God.", the reality is their action has created anger, hatred from the public and even cast doubts among many believers and let's not even talk about the impression created for non believers. Furthermore, there are church leaders speak openly against Kong Hee's doings.

 

I am confused here, is this advancing the kingdom of GOD? 

Edited May 17, 2013 by lohwpr

[Guest Guest]

super hiao chee

[Guest Passingthru]

I am confused here, is this advancing the kingdom of GOD?

 

When confused, always turn to the word of God.  Matthew 7 : 21-23 clearly warns:

 

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. "

 

So you see, over 2 millenia ago, Christ already foresaw and warned against the kind of nonsense we see today.

Observe and then ask yourself,

-  are these people and their church Christ centred or centred around the founders?

-  are monetary transactions and even commerce a constant focus of the church?( Remember how Christ reacted towards the money changers at the temple? )

-  what are the fruits of the Spirit and do you see them in the founders and the church?

-  what was Christ's warning about accumulating earthly riches over heavenly ones?

 

[Guest Guest]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=x26XjwznEts&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dx26XjwznEts

[Anderson]

 

 

Ex-finance manager Serina Wee Gek Yin also been charged.

 

 

One thing cross my mind. Had they spend just a small amount of the sum to promote her instead, probably she will be more successful and earn millions more for the church.

 

I really dunno what type of singer Sun Ho is. Instead of earning money, they lose 24mil.

Yeah, guess they all had placed their bet on the wrong horse, some more an old and extremely untalented one.

If they had spent $24mil to groom someone of better quality, perhaps they already have one super megastar by now.

[bodybuildMLY]

Never mind lah. Now the Ho is back to be the Mother of City Harvest Church. She can use her China Wine and Kill Bill to be the weekly liturgy, since she claimed that her songs bring people nearer to Jesus. 

[Guest Guest]

Never mind lah. Now the Ho is back to be the Mother of City Harvest Church. She can use her China Wine and Kill Bill to be the weekly liturgy, since she claimed that her songs bring people nearer to Jesus. 

 

If you are Muslim, your postings and the position and attitude you are taking are clearly inflammatory and unnecessary.

[Guest Guest]

Serina wee husband is quite hot.

[Guest Guest]

Hey bitch u forgot to log in!

[Guest Guest]

Another catchy song by Sun:

 

 

PS. her hairstyle, leather skirt and boots here are cool!

[Guest Passingthru]

A very good write up.  Puts it all into the correct perspective.  http://syntaxfree.org/blog/archives/4828

 

[Guest Guest]

Serina wee husband is quite hot.

Saw his photo.Are you cereal?

Some people got no taste.

He is only average looking, wouldn't even give him a second look.

 

And who is this Sun person?

[bodybuildMLY]

If you are Muslim, your postings and the position and attitude you are taking are clearly inflammatory and unnecessary.

Yeah right, and you are hiding yourself behind a Guest. I am not against Christianity FYI. I just don't like how CHC manipulates its congregation. Please quit and join other reputable churches. You may join Catholicism too.

By the way, you shouldn't feel offended. Doesn't you believe that her songs call to Jesus? Should use the songs for your church liturgy.

Edited May 18, 2013 by bodybuildMLY

[Guest Guest]

You have previously posted that she is a high-class hooker and a prostitute.  I think you need to stop defaming her.

 

Yes I agree, completely.

She's not that high class at all, don't you dare insult all the other hard working and really high class hookers.

[Guest Guest]

If you are Muslim, your postings and the position and attitude you are taking are clearly inflammatory and unnecessary.

 

Your stupidity also quite unnecessary.

[bodybuildMLY]

Your stupidity also quite unnecessary.

Yes and you are a blind, heartless and blue-brain follower

I am always intrigued by your kind. What I mentioned is just a suggestion of what you believe in Sun Ho and her church, yet you find my comments to be inflammatory. CHC always play rock songs in its services, so why not play China Wine and Kill Bill? Since her songs call to Jesus, you should accept my suggestion. Yet, somewhere in your heart, you know these songs are inappropriate. So how do you account for that?

Viewers, please be look into what I say.

Edited May 19, 2013 by bodybuildMLY

[abang]

My last tenant used to attend CHC (at the Expo) fortnightly.

He handled the video camera and the audio-visual equipment.

 

He invited me over once but I was caught off-guard.

After previous experience in religious events, the CHC one's look more like pop-concerts.

Gospel-like lyrics are infused into current Top 40 music.

The entire singing portion looks straight out of a frenzy Lady-Gaga meet her fan gathering.

 

While the case is now in the hands of the court, we should refrain from making any "presumptive" comments.

There is no need to "spice" up any rumour and gossips.

人在做， 天在看。。。

[Guest Passingthru]

Your stupidity also quite unnecessary.

 

Dear bodybuildMLY,

 

I believe that guest was admonishing the other guest, not you.  In simpler terms, he is on your side.  He might change his mind though, after this! LOL!

[bodybuildMLY]

Dear bodybuildMLY,

 

I believe that guest was admonishing the other guest, not you.  In simpler terms, he is on your side.  He might change his mind though, after this! LOL!

Yeah! Just realised that! Thanks pal...and sorry to the "Guest". My apologies

[glowingember]

This crossover project, is there any result?

[Guest Passingthru]

The whole idea of the Crossover Project is not so much to bring people closer to God or to see Christianity through a different lens but rather to expand the kingdom of CHC.  The wider the member base the better the finances of CHC and the better the lives of those at the top.

[curious_boi]

How did Kong Hee upgade from a HDB Flat to a PENTHOUSE IN SENTOSA COVE?

[Anderson]

How did Kong Hee upgade from a HDB Flat to a PENTHOUSE IN SENTOSA COVE?

Working fulltime as a pastor and tons of money just fell from the sky non stop.

Oh, you have forgotten there is also another exclusive villa in Hollywood for his beloved wife to enjoy.

[Crumpler]

康希夫妇出现聚会　7000人来撑场

[Guest Guest]

not surprise, i believe he is " god " to them too

[Crumpler]

not surprise, i believe he is " god " to them too

 

 

Yes man.  Kena brain washed har? 

[Guest Guest]

Yes man. Kena brain washed har?

no, they are too smart, brain over loaded

[Chub haven]

How did Kong Hee upgade from a HDB Flat to a PENTHOUSE IN SENTOSA COVE?

Really? He's pretty charming though..

[Guest Boredomlol]

Hmm i dont know whats so charismatic about pastor kong leh

I was asked by friends to go. They said they wantrd to save my soul lol. So i went about 4-5 times to chc service to please them. But i felt somewhat uneasy about some stuff he said. And never was i charmed by his preach lol .

[Guest guest]

Bit by bit the true color of Ex CHC management will be reveal.

 

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/trial-against-kong-hee--five-other-city-harvest-church-leaders-starts-031914520.html

 

 

City Harvest trial: Incriminating emails show attempt to dodge audit scrutiny

 

 

[uPDATE on 20 May, adding details from proceedings on Day 3 of trial]

More evidence emerged on the third day of the City Harvest Church (CHC) leaders' misappropriation trial Monday, where former finance managers Serina Wee and Sharon Tan, who are both among the six accused church leaders, allegedly sought to avoid scrutiny on the transactions they were engaging in.

Local media reports quoted an email Wee sent to Tan, where the former said she wanted to ensure the interests of Advante Consulting, a firm she holds a directorship position at, were preserved by making sure it was not mentioned in any of the transactions so the "auditors wouldn't blame us (Advante)".

Evidence of another email from Wee to Firna director Wahju Hanafi reportedly showed her asking him to complete some of the transactions in the "soonest possible time frame" in order to prevent the bank from raising any questions.

In a response Wahju reportedly sent to Wee, Chew Eng Han and former accounts assistant Angie Koh, who took the witness stand for the first time Monday, he said, "All these costs are to be borne by Xtron or whatever company. We are just instruments to make things happen."

Also emerging on the third day of the trial proceedings was the fact that the church had paid some $6 million to one Justin Herz, who owned JH Music, an American production house and promoter for City Harvest founder Kong Hee's wife Sun Ho's first English-language single and album.

The amount was reportedly listed under "additional JH needs" in a spreadsheet attached in an email sent by Wee in 2009.

Another email Koh sent to Wahju was also pulled out, where she instructed him to settle a series of transactions to allow the money to reach Herz in a two-week timeframe.

Asked about this by public prosecutors, Koh said she "could not remember" what Herz had to do with the drawdown of bonds from Firna, with which the transactions in question were associated.

Last Wednesday, former CHC accountant Lai Bao Ting was the first witness to take the stand in court for the trial against the mega-church's founder Kong Hee and five of the church's leaders for alleged misappropriation of funds.
 
In one set of charges, Kong Hee, Tan Ye Peng, Chew Eng Han, Serina Wee Gek Yin, Tan Shao Yuen Sharon and Lam Leng Hung (known as John Lam) are accused of criminal breach of trust for dishonestly misusing $24 million in church building funds to finance the music career of Kong's wife, Sun Ho.

In another set, Chew, Tan Ye Peng, Sharon Tan and Wee are said to have diverted about $26 million in church funds by channelling the sum into Xtron Productions and PT The First National Glassware (Firna) as bond investments. This was allegedly to cover up the "sham transactions" in the first batch of charges.

Lai, a former assistant accountant who had joined CHC in February 2006, was questioned by deputy public prosecutor Tan Kiat Pheng during the afternoon court session.

The court heard that Lai, who reported to finance managers Wee and Sharon Tan, was involved in recording transactions between CHC and Xtron Productions Pte Ltd. In emails, she also would sign off as a representative of Xtron Productions though she was not a staff of the company. She explained this was because she was asked to help handle Xtron's accounts.

During questioning, DPP Tan had asked her whether she understood the concerns that was raised by external auditor Sim Guan Seng - the latter had queried the church’s close relationship with third party Xtron Productions, an artiste management business that used to handle Sun Ho's career, as well as the church’s investments in AMAC Capital Partners, a company owned by former church member Chew Eng Han.

The soft spoken Lai, who wore a maroon top and black pants, answered "no". In her conditioned statement, she said there were instances that she followed her manager's (Sharon Tan) instructions to record entries involving millions of dollars to companies like Xtron.

Lai stayed on the stand on Thursday as well.

On both the first two days of the trial, crowds of supporters queued outside the Subordinate Courts at the crack of dawn, with some reportedly lining up as early as late Tuesday evening, to get entry passes to the trial.
 

 

In the opening statement, lead prosecutor Mavis Chionh pointed out that the church's building funds came from donations by members to a campaign specifically targeted to support the construction of a new church.

Also, based on admitted statements of fact, the CHC management board publicly said none of the church's funds were being used to promote the career of Ho.

However, the prosecutor asserted that evidence would show that the six accused conspired to devise "purported" bond investments through which $13 million in building funds was misappropriated for Ho's career and $11 million was used for the same purpose as well as to for the personal use of one Wahju Hanafi.

The prosecution stressed that it was immaterial whether the accused believed that the promotion of Ho's music career would further the broader objectives of CHC.

"The question is whether the diversion of the Building Fund monies towards financing her music career, under the guise of purported bond investments, was an authorised use of the Building Fund," the prosecutor said.

The prosecution also pointed out that the "theological legitimacy" of using Ho's music career as a means of evangelism was not at issue in the trial and was not relevant to the charges against the accused.

Regarding the second set of charges, the prosecution alleged that the four accused over this aspect of the case conspired to effect the supposed redemption of the bonds "by misappropriating further sums totalling about $26.6 million of CHC's monies".

The prosecution said the accused intended to defraud the auditors of CHC and false entries into CHC's accounts had been made. This was said to have happened in 2009.

In conclusion, the prosecution said the evidence would show that "the offences were part of a deliberately planned, meticulously coordinated, and carefully executed scheme which stretched over a prolonged period of time and involved the movement of millions of dollars".

 

[Guest Guest]

CHC USING OWN MEDIA UNIT TO COVER KONG HEE’S TRIAL

It looks like even City Harvest Church (CHC) doesn’t trust the Singapore mainstream media these days. When 6 CHC leaders were arrested last year, some of the church members were unhappy at what they perceived as biased reporting by the mainstream media.

CHC currently employs its own media unit to cover the ongoing trial of 6 of its leaders, including pastor Kong Hee.

The CHC media unit, City News, has a core group of about 15 volunteer journalists. They are a mixed bunch of students and working professionals, some with media experience. They have been taking turns to cover the trial.

CHC aims to give its own perspective on the trial of its leaders.

The team produces video news segments which are uploaded to its channel on YouTube, called citynewssingapore, as well as writing on the court proceedings. Not surprisingly, the news tends to heavily feature comments from defence lawyers and pastors. The stories are published on CHC’s portal Citynews.sg.

CHC said, “While we understand the mainstream media’s perspective, we hope to plug possible gaps for our members.”

Following is the news produced by CHC’s City News team for the first day of the trial:

City News declined to reveal the budget of its operations.

 

[Crumpler]

庭上惊爆　何耀珊出专辑亏1437万

 

庭上爆出，何耀珊出一张专辑，亏损高达1437万。

而这笔巨额亏损，是由印尼富商哈纳菲“填补”，还钱给艺人管理公司Xtron。

城市丰收教会创办人兼牧师康希（48岁）、管委会副主席陈一平（40岁）、管委会会员林岭恒（45岁）、原投资经理周英汉（52岁）、前财务经理黄玉音（36岁）和财务经理陈绍云（37岁）涉嫌串谋失信公款，昨天进入第4天审讯时，辩方昨午盘问控方证人许丽亲时，爆出一封电邮的内容。

许丽亲在教会工作期间是黄玉音下属，后来加入Xtron，负责账目等事务。

完整报道，请翻阅21.05.2013的《新明日报》。

[snowball]

不知接下来会有什么更令人劲爆的证词, 或许就算铁证如山,

那些信徒还会深信自己伟大的教主是被冤枉的。

[G_M]

Hello People,

Please discuss on the CHC case and not ON the success or failure of the career of his wife.

Stick to topic.

All out of topic post will be removed.

[Guest HonestReview]

No matter how i see, it is totally ridiculous to take donators money and lavish on your luxurious mansion and music video. Besides your music video has nothing to do with your religion at all.

 

Come on. Can you imagine our prime minister take our money and make a ridiculous music video of himself? yet telling people that he is doing for Singapore. Well. This is it. CHC members, you see why the public is so angry about this matter.

 

Oh ya. regarding her first album. Making a loss on her first album? The earning of the album must be misappropriated somewhere. I remembered that she won the best selling album that year on YES933 annual award. Her album sold even more than Stefanie Sun and Jay Chou. If she didn't make money, I think the music industry can eat shit.

[Guest Guest]

Sun Ho releases video statement (new):

 

[Guest Guest]

Why are those people vehemently criticising CHC, Kong Hee and Sun Ho so angry?  Was a single cent of their money being allegedly misused?

 

The truth is that the public has no right to say anything about this case, firstly because it's an ongoing case and any comments will be sub judice, and second but more importantly, because only CHC members have the right to comment as the case involves their church leaders and their money, not the public's.

 

The public's right to comment is only limited to their opinion on Sun's secular music career and music videos.  Anything about the case, they should shut up.

[gstc82]

Why are those people vehemently criticising CHC, Kong Hee and Sun Ho so angry? Was a single cent of their money being allegedly misused?

The truth is that the public has no right to say anything about this case, firstly because it's an ongoing case and any comments will be sub judice, and second but more importantly, because only CHC members have the right to comment as the case involves their church leaders and their money, not the public's.

The public's right to comment is only limited to their opinion on Sun's secular music career and music videos. Anything about the case, they should shut up.

huh, we are Singaporeans and we love to comment. Even on things that has nothing to do w us, it's our right to comment. Don't you realize Singaporeans are now so involved in everything?

[Guest daddy]

huh, we are Singaporeans and we love to comment. Even on things that has nothing to do w us, it's our right to comment. Don't you realize Singaporeans are now so involved in everything?

 

agreed. this is free country, it is human right to speak up, comment, talk about things, besides, this is a free forum -- so people can talk freely about anything under the sun and be entitled to their own opinions. just look at the extensive topics on this forum. hey, don't take things so personally, it is purely just chitty chatty. blah blah blah, la la la. Christian fighting Christians here on this forum, or fighting with other people, calling people names over this is issue becoming a laughing stock to non-believers, think about it. if the 6 had done nothing wrong, they have nothing to fear.

[Guest Guest]

No matter how i see, it is totally ridiculous to take donators money and lavish on your luxurious mansion and music video. Besides your music video has nothing to do with your religion at all.

 

Come on. Can you imagine our prime minister take our money and make a ridiculous music video of himself? yet telling people that he is doing for Singapore. Well. This is it. CHC members, you see why the public is so angry about this matter.

 

Oh ya. regarding her first album. Making a loss on her first album? The earning of the album must be misappropriated somewhere. I remembered that she won the best selling album that year on YES933 annual award. Her album sold even more than Stefanie Sun and Jay Chou. If she didn't make money, I think the music industry can eat shit.

 

 

hello....... you still don't get it ????? they are use the church prayers to buy her albums, using the church fund to fill up any losses and more fund to creat a fake title for her !!!

[snowball]

上帝看到他的信徒如此" 明理, 团结 " 是否应该感到欣慰?

有罪还是无辜, 相信不久的将来很快会分晓。拭目以待吧。

Edited May 22, 2013 by snowball

[Guest Guest]

上帝看到他的信徒如此" 明理, 团结 " 是否应该感到欣慰?

Mix the China wine do di dutty wine...

[superflawless]

Please do your research!

 

Sun Ho had a number of No. 1 hits on the United States Billboard Charts, the United Kingdom Musicweek Charts and the Spanish dance charts.

 

Jesus was blessing her all the way to the top of the charts.

 

Bwahahahaaaa!

Clearly, she should stay in the West. Or crawl back to the hole she crawl out from. 

[Crumpler]

Sun Ho releases video statement (new):

 

 

 

[gstc82]

Thanks for that clip, I need a good laugh.

[Chub71]

Why are those people vehemently criticising CHC, Kong Hee and Sun Ho so angry?  Was a single cent of their money being allegedly misused?

 

The truth is that the public has no right to say anything about this case, firstly because it's an ongoing case and any comments will be sub judice, and second but more importantly, because only CHC members have the right to comment as the case involves their church leaders and their money, not the public's.

 

The public's right to comment is only limited to their opinion on Sun's secular music career and music videos.  Anything about the case, they should shut up.

 

God teaches us to respect the laws of the land. When registering for a church, you must sign up with the registry of societies. Thus, all activities and fund raising much adhere to the rules and regulations set by its governing bodies. Failing which, the law of the land steps in. Its a simple fact that when funds are raised publicly it becomes a public issue. As for the rights to comment...well...if they didn't do any thing wrong why does it angst you with all the comments?

[fab]

Why are those people vehemently criticising CHC, Kong Hee and Sun Ho so angry?  Was a single cent of their money being allegedly misused?

 

The truth is that the public has no right to say anything about this case, firstly because it's an ongoing case and any comments will be sub judice, and second but more importantly, because only CHC members have the right to comment as the case involves their church leaders and their money, not the public's.

 

The public's right to comment is only limited to their opinion on Sun's secular music career and music videos.  Anything about the case, they should shut up.

若要人不知,除非己莫为.

[Guest Guest]

God teaches us to respect the laws of the land. When registering for a church, you must sign up with the registry of societies. Thus, all activities and fund raising much adhere to the rules and regulations set by its governing bodies. Failing which, the law of the land steps in. Its a simple fact that when funds are raised publicly it becomes a public issue. As for the rights to comment...well...if they didn't do any thing wrong why does it angst you with all the comments?

 

Why angst? Because he is a follower of the church. We can just wait and see. Even if it is proven in court and verdict is out that Kong Hee is guilty, they will still believe he is innocent and still support him. This is called blind faith. They will start telling u that Kong Hee must have a reason for doing all these things and it is beyond human logic to be able to understand why they did what they did, just believe in him and everything else will take care of itselves. 

[Guest daddy]

it is quite funny to watch this CHC topic getting so heated up, and the two camps firing back and forth, and round and round in circles. lol:) :clap: entertaining to say the least.